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Sub-Forum for ROM Releases?

While browsing this forum, I've noticed that there are really two types of threads: (1) ROM Releases & (2) Help Requests/Questions. We also have threads such as "List of Kaiser Rom Threads and Download Links...." which attempt to aggregate the releases, but do not appear to remain up-to-date. I was wondering if it wouldn't make more sense to separate the two by simply having a sub-forum dedicated to the releases. It would be much easier to get a grasp on what the current variety of cooked/official ROMs looked like, and would leave more of the first page of the "main" forum available for the help/question threads.
Any thoughts? Improved suggestions?
DISCLAIMER: This idea may have already been discussed in the past, and if so, please feel free to just say so and post a link to the relevant thread. No need to re-explain something that's already been talked through. I couldn't find anything on the topic when searching via Google.

I think this is a great idea. It can be overwhelming when I just want to see the ROM updates and I have to go sifting through other things as well.

Alamei said:
While browsing this forum, I've noticed that there are really two types of threads: (1) ROM Releases & (2) Help Requests/Questions. We also have threads such as "List of Kaiser Rom Threads and Download Links...." which attempt to aggregate the releases, but do not appear to remain up-to-date. I was wondering if it wouldn't make more sense to separate the two by simply having a sub-forum dedicated to the releases. It would be much easier to get a grasp on what the current variety of cooked/official ROMs looked like, and would leave more of the first page of the "main" forum available for the help/question threads.
Any thoughts? Improved suggestions?
DISCLAIMER: This idea may have already been discussed in the past, and if so, please feel free to just say so and post a link to the relevant thread. No need to re-explain something that's already been talked through. I couldn't find anything on the topic when searching via Google.
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That's actually a pretty good idea. They should be doing this to all forums in XDA-Developers.com. It will keep organization, less spamming of threads, and keep everyone happy. I think that this has already been discussed already, but I haven't seen any changes so it's a good thing you brought it back up again!

u know that sub forum will just eventually get clogged up with all other kind of threads and it will just be the same as it is with the kaiser upgrading forum now. we have a outdated wiki with some releases.......why dont you go ahead and add some stuff to that.

XtreMe_G said:
u know that sub forum will just eventually get clogged up with all other kind of threads and it will just be the same as it is with the kaiser upgrading forum now. we have a outdated wiki with some releases.......why dont you go ahead and add some stuff to that.
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Naturally rules should state the forum is only for new ROMS. Threads started relating to support should be disallowed. Only posts by cookers should be allowed by rules. (Avoid access control, new rom cookers would have to contact an admin to get their user group put in) Simply have moderators delete threads that were started seeking support or help.
I'm new to flashing myself and I've only been able to find a few ROMs. Why? Because of the disorganization.
New users like me can't find new ROM's because we don't know where to look or how to find them. There's no list, you just have to dig deep through the forums or try your luck with Google or the search function. There's a few listed on the wiki but highly outdated as you said. The new releases are hidden within pages of junk threads in this upgrading forum.
A wiki is a start -- but you have to know the names and URL's of existing threads or be damned good at searching for them to add them to the Wiki. I was going to try and update the wiki and didn't know where to start on finding roms.
A forum that was well-policed against junk offtopic threads could be beneficial for ROM makers and users who seek them alike. This idea should be brought up with the moderators/admins of the forum.

evrything is the mods should do this, the mods should do that, hey......this is a community. like i said, there's a wiki, feel free to contribute.
and how hard is it to find rom releases? just browse maybe the maybe first 10 page and put in watever rom link u find. anything beyond that is most likely outdated already

Well..this is the Kaiser upgrading forum. I think that's exactly where ROM releases should be. I also agree that this is a community...the wiki isn't up to date? Okay...it's a wiki...update it.
**This is my personal view...feel free to disagree.

this has been discussed already as it was asked about the 6.1 roms, and the answer is no. 6.1 is still wm6, its just a fancy AKU release, so there is no need for a subfora, and cooked roms has never gotten their own subfora, its not needed. If everyone would learn to read and post in the proper spots then the board wouldnt get cluttered, creating new subforas will not fix this problem.

Suggestion to Mods: Split this forum into two?

Disclaimer: This post should be read in a "suggestive" tone, not a "complainy" tone.
This forum is called "Dream android development," but it seems like most of the posts are not really related to Android development, but rather Dream/Android hacking.
It might be more helpful for everyone to easily find what they are looking if a separate Dream forum were created called "Dream Hacking" and all these hacking-related posts moved there... and then this forum could be dedicated to development (OS/ROM/application development, coding, etc.).
There are several forums dedicated to Android Development (like anddev.org and the dev forum at talkandroid.com), but I like xda-developers for all my HTC-related development forum needs!
Thoughts?
Also, because I'm in the Dream Android Development forum I suppose I ought to post something about Android Development... does anyone have any suggestions or experience on implementing a Trial Period feature in an Android app? I could write a date to a file that marks the first time the user runs the app, and then check that date on every run to see if they are past their trial period end date. But what's to stop the user from uninstalling and reinstalling, to get a new install date and trial period?
http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/08ce5ab110c56b29?pli=1 (Google Groups question on the subject, FYI)

acrosser said:
Disclaimer: This post should be read in a "suggestive" tone, not a "complainy" tone.
This forum is called "Dream android development," but it seems like most of the posts are not really related to Android development, but rather Dream/Android hacking.
It might be more helpful for everyone to easily find what they are looking if a separate Dream forum were created called "Dream Hacking" and all these hacking-related posts moved there... and then this forum could be dedicated to development (OS/ROM/application development, coding, etc.).
There are several forums dedicated to Android Development (like anddev.org and the dev forum at talkandroid.com), but I like xda-developers for all my HTC-related development forum needs!
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I definitely agree. Splitting development and hacking into two forums makes sense. Let's move all the rooting threads over to a new hacking forum and keep the discussion of application development here.

I believe XDA uses development as the PC word for hacking if you look at all of the other forums that do the same thing this thread does for other OS it is called development which really is what is done in this thread as no one is really hacking per say because it is all open source.

Also, who is going to go through 60 pages of threads and move the relevant ones to a new subforum?

Sounds like a good idea, but I have to agree with Plastriq.
If I was a mod, I definitely would not want to go through and re-organize a whole subforum and split it up, when it already worked well enough for the everyday user to be okay with it...
I'm pretty sure the moderators here feel somewhat the same.

I made the suggestion to the admins. I will send them over here. I agree we need another forum... however I think one forum should be for help and one for development/hacking while keeping the dream forum for news/info and the other forums for their intended purpose.

Maybe one could be for Android development or Android Modification and one could be for Android Application development.
I like the idea of splitting this section.

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Sounds like a good idea, but I have to agree with Plastriq.
If I was a mod, I definitely would not want to go through and re-organize a whole subforum and split it up, when it already worked well enough for the everyday user to be okay with it...
I'm pretty sure the moderators here feel somewhat the same.
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Okay, then how about renaming this thread to "Dream Android Modification" (or Hacking... and even though it's open source, most of it is still hacking... because Google doesn't explicitly allow rooting, flashing the ROM, etc. on non-Dev Phone 1's).
Then create a new forum called Android Development, and give it a higher priority/level... because there will be several Android devices in the near future besides the Dream, and we don't need an Android Development forum for each individual device.

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Okay, then how about renaming this thread to "Dream Android Modification" (or Hacking... and even though it's open source, most of it is still hacking... because Google doesn't explicitly allow rooting, flashing the ROM, etc. on non-Dev Phone 1's).
Then create a new forum called Android Development, and give it a higher priority/level... because there will be several Android devices in the near future besides the Dream, and we don't need an Android Development forum for each individual device.
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They're still left with the problem of moving all of the current development threads into the new forum... :/
You do have a point though, sooner or later there will be different Android devices. Cleaning up the forums, as daunting a task as it might be right now, will be better than waiting until later when it ABSOLUTELY NEEDS to happen and they're more overloaded.

As said I would have no problem cleaning them up and have asked in the staff forums.
If any of you would like to help once the forums are made just shoot me a PM with all the threads that should be moved and I will move them even faster.

Vote to Create a Seperate Forum Section for Firmware Mods

Ok we all know firmware mods are popular, and we have been seeing many many questions about the sapphire/JF mods that would be better organized in a separate forum like xda-developers > Dream > Firmware Hacking & Modification
So place your vote above and post any comments/ideas you may have.

Don't see the need for it. Besides similar requests have been asked for before and shot down.

yeah i dont think its necessary either, plus mods have enough work on food on there plate, i think it looks messy because of the redundant threads

No, it's not needed But.... we need threads to be closed after a major release of a newer build
(ie H 5.03) and open a new thread. Thats what folks do in the WM rom threads elsewhere in this forum. Closing and locking thread but not deleting will keep them from growing to a gigantic size like the sapphire/magic rom port thread. But its up to the thread creator to do so...

Is it really that big of an endeavor to add a subforum for firmware mods?

ncoop23 said:
Is it really that big of an endeavor to add a subforum for firmware mods?
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I'd imagine not, but apparently moderators cannot make site changes. Only the administrator (Flar) can do that.
Meanwhile, many of the knowledgeable members (Don't see JF or Koush around much these days?) of the forum get tired of reading the same "omg i ruined my apps-to-sd" or "how i get haykuro install" and stop reading the forum. Win-win for everyone?

Not needed being there's only 4-5 of them out there...
If there was anything, I would say a sub-forum of the theme section for themes ONLY. No questions etc...

[READ ME]Development Forum Etiquette. Help keep our Andriod/XDA devs

While I am in no way a Dev, programmer, grammar expert or anyone of importance, this is my attempt in helping to help XDA/Devs/Android to keep moving forward in the most efficient way possible. As recent events have unraveled it is apparent that XDA, Android, and a flux of Ports & ROMS has boosted the traffic that we are seeing come in and out of XDA. While the traffic is welcomed the absurd amount of "n00bish" post, bickering, and multiple posting is not and that is why I decided to take a stab at making this thread.
Why post this in the Dev forum?
I want this to reflect the fact that in ANY DEVELOPMENT forum there is a different type of etiquette then in any other type of open forum. I've personally learned this from seeing plenty of GREAT Dev's come and go through XDA. Mods please feel free to move or close this is you feel this in inappropriate in the DEV forum.
PROPER DEV FORUM ETIQUETTE:
-READ!!!-
*Read the developers request/post.
*Each and every [ROM] thread I have ever looked into has had a Changelog and inclusion list! READ IT!!! Its usually located on the FIRST or SECOND post in the thread.
*If you are not willing to read through a thread, then search! EVEN BETTER... SEARCH THE THREAD!!!
*If you are following a thread closely enough and see that others are posting or reporting your same issue, CONFIRM and at the least post a LOG
*If you can not keep up on XDA at least follow a developers Twitter. Its a great insight to what is to come. Rather then expanding the crap to filter through in the [ROM] thread, LOOK for updates.
-Remember-
*Not one Dev on here owes any one person anything!!! So dont expect to be entitled to anything such as updates, explanations, and/or anything that you may want or feel should be included in THEIR work!
*By flashing a ROM(or even rooting) on your phone, you are expected by the community that you have some knowledge of what you are doing; Hence you should not be asking or posting "what is adb" or "How do you Flash" type questions. That is NOT development!!! This is REGRESSION for lack of better words.
*DO NOT post ish like "flashing now" .. "downloading" .. "cant wait to flash".
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*DO NOT post "how is this ROM?... better?... faster?". TRY IT!!! The RA [RECOVERY] can make going from a non hero [ROM] to a Hero [ROM] in a 5 step process(in theroy) and back in one step with the [MOD]swithROM
*Give credit where credit is due!!! If you wanna say "thanks", do it in a constructive way, maybe say it when answering someones n00b question or drop it in your sig: "Thanks to: blah blah", or both
*It is MY observation that Devs do this stuff for just a few reasons: Money, fun, and/or experience.
-Fun- Just cause they are damn good at it and have the extensive ability to do so.
-Money- Not so much just so they get donations, but time is money, they make something worth paying for then they, you, or I would do it if we you could. So if you appreciate what someone has given the community then I am sure they would appreciate any sort of donation.
-*Experience*- The work placed here is NOT for you. It is shared with the community to further development!!! Its placed here to be shown as a physical representation of what a DEV can do. The more success he has, the better it looks to clients or potential employers. That is why CREDIT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN!!!
-Basic Troubleshooting-
*Wipe
*fix_permissions
*post log
*reformat partition
(If you did not take these steps then you have not tried to fix your problem and you should not make a post till you have tried at least one if not all steps.)
*A Force Close (FC) is when you DO NOT have a "wait" option. These are the "bugs" that Dev's need to be reported to respective location. An Android Not Responding (ANR) DOES have the "wait" option and is probably not due to the [ROM] but apps and/or permissions (someone correct me if I am wrong)
-From Members to Members-
*RESPECT each other!
*Be constructive in your posting. If you are not posting an ANSWER or if you are BEING NEGATIVE towards another member, you are virtually spamming the thread that you are trying to keep clean. The least you could do is point the person in the right direction. Refusing to help at all while berating them for doing it wrong accomplishes nothing besides further clogging up the forum with threads bumped with useless posts.
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*Do not Fanboy or spam a DEVs[ROM] thread with another DEVs[ROM]. Keep the respective info in its respective thread.
(added by: HiRoots)
-From Members to DEVs-
*DO NOT "ROM whore"! If its not your work then give credit. You and the other DEVs will know if what you are releasing is a [MOD] or [ROM].
(added by: r_dub, IConrad, ComplexMinded)
*Please make sure your first (and second post) are clear for n00bs who will not read this thread. I know you're working hard on building ROMs for us, but FAQ's and n00b instructions will hopefully help!!!
(added by: digitallysick, _Kyros_)
*Please help us help you. If your attitude is poor then your followers/senior members of what you are developing may carry the same attitude. Lead by example.
(added by: IamLugo)
-From DEVs to Members-
*DO NOT be "inclined to help" for you own personal gain
*(any DEVs who would like to get this section going please feel free to post)
**If you have anything to add to this list please feel free to post it and I will update this post** Hopefully this is not done in vain and can help some of the clutter.

Reserved... just in case

Yes thank you this needed to be said well done well written but i would add that making minor changes and reposting a rom does not make it yours nor does it make you a dev like so many people do on xda now days everyone thinks their a dev

Re: Minor tweaks do not a new ROM make. I.e.; if I took the Cyanogen ROM, swap it out for a +mem patched boot.img file, I could not then call it the IConrad01Mod. It would be the CyanogenMod+mem. Not even if I replaced sh with bash by default.
EDIT: Mostly this post is just a "bump" to keep this higher in the ratings so more people see it.

This should be made a sticky thread really should be

Id like to also add to your excellent list
dont post ish like "flashing now" .. "downloading" .. "cant wait to flash"
makes the thread grow too fast and makes it a lot of work for people who do try to follow etiquette and search for the answer before posting

I also agree

IConrad01 said:
Re: Minor tweaks do not a new ROM make. I.e.; if I took the Cyanogen ROM, swap it out for a +mem patched boot.img file, I could not then call it the IConrad01Mod. It would be the CyanogenMod+mem. Not even if I replaced sh with bash by default.
EDIT: Mostly this post is just a "bump" to keep this higher in the ratings so more people see it.
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This should be made a sticky thread really should be
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Thanks guys... I knew other members would feel the same way.
Like I said in the first sentence, I stated that I have no dev experience and I am pretty much a n00b, but I actually was not aware of "ROM whoring" so we will see if others agree with this and/or their are current devs who feel this would be appropriate to add to the list.

lexotic_sc300 said:
Id like to also add to your excellent list
dont post ish like "flashing now" .. "downloading" .. "cant wait to flash"
makes the thread grow too fast and makes it a lot of work for people who do try to follow etiquette and search for the answer before posting
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agree to that, and im one of those that says flashing, downloading, cant wait, and i realize myself thats its annoying .

"ROM Whoring" is alive and rampant in the forum. I know that all ROMS have "pieces" of other devs work in them but if 90% of your build went untouched then how can you re-release it under your own name?
We honeslty need to seperate ROMS from MODS of ROMS.. There is a clear difference..

Lets add to that for devs
Make your rom instructions CLEAR , and easy to follow.
Also include screen shots , and don't run all of your links and information together.
If your rom doesn't support specific formats/features please list so.
These things will prevent the same questions and issues being asked again and again

Lets add to that for devs
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* Update your initial post to include answers to common questions. Yes, I know, everyone should read the ENTIRE thread, but when that thread is 30 pages deep, people won't.
It really wouldn't be a half-bad idea for the more popular ROMs to solicit people to help support them in a sort of semi-official role.

Great post All~G1, I think that while this thread seems to mainly target Noobs and improper forum etiquette then I can't help but suggest adding something targeted at Devs. All Devs or anyone contributing to the Android Community should (Most do) have precise details on installing whatever your giving to the A.C. and a FAQ's would be nice too, that way we wouldn't have so many tutorials.
I see I'm not alone on this.

I honestly don't see XDA keeping the Dev's with other phones coming out that are not HTC. They will realize HTC is going to be WAY behind and thus having to go to forums like Alldroid.org, android community and forums like that, that cater to ALL Android not Winmo and deal with Android

I wonder if we could have a post# rule implemented (i.e. you need to have x# of posts before you can post in the dev section). If a poster hasn't learned wtf to do in 100 posts and then enters the dev section, they should be banned. lol

Mi|enko said:
I wonder if we could have a post# rule implemented (i.e. you need to have x# of posts before you can post in the dev section). If a poster hasn't learned wtf to do in 100 posts and then enters the dev section, they should be banned. lol
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here is proof that theory isn't the best one. cyanogen was a "junior" member when he started putting his roms on xda. member status does not equal intelligence level. some one could log onto to xda with an amazing rom with features never before seen, but they couldn't post it in the dev section bc they have no posts, doesn't really make sense.
the mods need to enforcing their 3-day ban on people who post nonsense in the dev section (well any section really) but limiting some ones ability to post based on post count is not a great idea.
just my .01 cents. i am very poor right now, so i can only give away a penny.

Mi|enko said:
I wonder if we could have a post# rule implemented (i.e. you need to have x# of posts before you can post in the dev section). If a poster hasn't learned wtf to do in 100 posts and then enters the dev section, they should be banned. lol
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Only issue with that is I do not have many post, but I know about as much on flashing, adb as most of you do...you dont need to post to know what your doing, and to have the ability to help others out when/if you see fit.
Agreed david1171, didnt see your post when I made mine..

thank you all~g1 for this posting! i believe it was sorely needed!
ive spent the past two months reading and learning by trial and error so i agree that instructions could be more clear and concise for n00bs like myself...
ive also seen the flaming that goes on for incorrectly posting in the wrong section so ive taken it upon myself(so i dont get flamed!)to post in the q&a forums.the thought that maybe one day i might learn enough to mod/dev on my own is another reason i only post when needed...
also...excellent idea to put in following the devs by twitter! i get blown up with info from their tweets all the time so i mostly know whats coming before they even release! more to than my actual friends i follow! lol!
just my .02 cents...but the search function here on xda could be a little more thorough so as to maybe help keep down traffic.
but overall...this is a great concept! and thanks again!

Me likey this thread. good show!
IMO it should be stickied and kept unlocked (but clean) like the index so peeps can submit constructive ideas

Wow, really while I'm sure we all appreciate this thread and the thought put into but this is pretty much where everyone starts. This the start for most of the Devs here. So maybe we should make a Topic that says Noobs go here first and then have all the stickies including this one. We need better organization but even still we're not gonna be able to stop people posting in the wrong section. We were all noobs once be humble and put yourself in their place.

[09/8/11] Updated Rules Of The Development Section **Please Read, Then Read Again**

I'll get straight to the point....
Despite stickys and forum announcements most of us are still finding ourselves becoming terribly, terribly vexed at the amount of [Q]'s cluttering the dev section...
Therefore, from now on, if you do not follow the rules outlined below, you will be infracted. Break them again and you may find yourself unable to post anything at all on any forum!!
[Q]Surely thats a bit harsh aint it??
[A]Not really....
We've tried to be nice about it but that clearly doesnt work.
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If you cannot read and abide by the simple rules in this sticky then I dont know how you're going to manage to hack your device without running into trouble.​
The Dev section is NOT for asking questions.....
The Dev section is NOT for general topics..........
All threads posted MUST be prefixed with a description of the thread, [ROM] / [Kernel] etc etc.....*
*(Not planning on being particuarly strict on this. You guys (the devs), know how to title a thread.... just a pointer for new devs.)
Basically, unless your thread is to actually release something or discuss something of a very technical and n00b unfriendly nature, it doesnt belong here!
Pretty simple really.....
If you see something that shouldnt be here then PM me....
I will try to check in as reguarly as I can but I have a few sections to keep an eye on and believe it or not, a life outside XDA
Yes thats right, there is life outside XDA

I moved all the stock Roms to the General Section in an effort to keep the Development forums for Developing roms.

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I moved all the stock Roms to the General Section in an effort to keep the Development forums for Developing roms.
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The issues I see with this is 1: it causes fragmentation on where to find ROMs and 2: if the person who put out the ROM decides at a later date to start customizing beyond stock, it is then technically in the wrong section unless they create a new thread in development

beerbaronstatic said:
The issues I see with this is 1: it causes fragmentation on where to find ROMs and 2: if the person who put out the ROM decides at a later date to start customizing beyond stock, it is then technically in the wrong section unless they create a new thread in development
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I will be making a sticky with the links to the stock roms. And sense there really shouldnt be more then one thread for the stock release it will keep things a little cleaner. If they decide to make a custom rom off the stock then they are free to make a thread in the Dev section for the custom rom and its Development. This is the way it is done in the Captivate section that I came from and a few other devices and has worked out pretty well in keeping only Dev related things in the Dev section

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I will be making a sticky with the links to the stock roms. And sense there really shouldnt be more then one thread for the stock release it will keep things a little cleaner. If they decide to make a custom rom off the stock then they are free to make a thread in the Dev section for the custom rom and its Development. This is the way it is done in the Captivate section that I came from and a few other devices and has worked out pretty well in keeping only Dev related things in the Dev section
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Sounds good, thanks for the reply!

Ok guys I am in the process of making Q&A threads in the Q&A section for each rom. Please use these before opening new threads. In an effort to clean up the forums I will be removing out dated threads and cleaning things up. I am hoping this will reduce the clutter in the threads and will help new people find answers easier.

Oh I am so confused. LOL. You are the boss zelendel and I don't want to cross you anymore. So now we have QnA for each ROM, can we not post anything anymore in the Dev's thread? Most everything posted in a Dev's thread is a question of some sort. Can you add this, why did you do this, can you fix this, is this happening to anybody else, and so on.....
What are we allowed to post there? I mean it is so different than almost every other section here on the forum. Cross posters from other sections will continue to post as they always have. I don't want to come across as a dumb butt as I am not. I happen to be an admin and mod on 8 other phone forums. But not developer forums which this is. But to find a ROM I have to look in 2 different sections and ask questions about it in a third. How is this cleaning anything up?

The Q&A threads are for general ROM related questions like how do i flash this, ect. It also saves the kids from having to go around deleting the threads that are used to by pass the 10 post rule just so they can post a question in the dev section. The main ROM threads are for technical discussions. You can still post there but this will remove a lot of the junk from the dev threads.
I use this set up in the captivate section and it was well recieved by users and Developers alike. It kept the dev threads cleaned up and people still could ask their questions without needing 10 posts.
This is test run 2 of this set up. If it works out again then it just may become the norm. One thread to get the ROM and one for questions.

zelendel said:
The Q&A threads are for general ROM related questions like how do i flash this, ect. It also saves the kids from having to go around deleting the threads that are used to by pass the 10 post rule just so they can post a question in the dev section. The main ROM threads are for technical discussions. You can still post there but this will remove a lot of the junk from the dev threads.
I use this set up in the captivate section and it was well recieved by users and Developers alike. It kept the dev threads cleaned up and people still could ask their questions without needing 10 posts.
This is test run 2 of this set up. If it works out again then it just may become the norm. One thread to get the ROM and one for questions.
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Sorry dude but that is not organized at all the post will get lost you should keep all ROM's and posting related to said ROM together. And I was on the Captivate forum didn't work there either IMO..

dpmurphy81 said:
Sorry dude but that is not organized at all the post will get lost you should keep all ROM's and posting related to said ROM together. And I was on the Captivate forum didn't work there either IMO..
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I have to agree this does not seem to make much sense. Instead of keeping all the rom threads together they will now be dispersed among the 4 sub-forums?

Why is the date in not American? I just had to point that out.

Was this really a problem that needed fixing? While yes there were a lot of stupid questions at times, the open discussion about the ROM performance, tips, tweaks, and problems leads to many people who aren't in the development process sharing information with each other and the developers, and leads to everyone being able to help each other figure things out. Now it just seems like people are going to be confused as to where to talk about the ROM, as all the information will be fragmented now. It would make more sense to just rename the Dev section to something like "ROM Development And Discussion" and create a new section with limited access threads that would be like a ROM library and newsletter. That way, one could go there to get the latest downloads and information, and still be able to get help and discuss the ROM in the same place they always have. Of course, this is just my opinion, did you ever think about starting a discussion with everyone to get ideas and opinions on how things should be sorted?
And IMHO, phrases like "Iron Fist" and "only gonna ask once" aren't a quality examples of good people skills. Maybe something like, I dunno, asking someone to make changes to facilitate the move to a new format might work better.

Thank you this was a helpful post, im use to ROM with windows phone new to android