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Is newer better?

Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.

Same here
I have experienced the same mate. I have tried God knows how many 6.1s and besides, they are looking great and neat (thanks to our brilliant chefs here), i didn't see any improvement on my tilt, just opposite. I have experienced annoying non responsive display, very slow response time, and there was a time when I had to press display several times before I was able to run anything on the phone... let alone the GPS.
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11 and I have to say that my Tilt has never been faster and more stabile. Moreover, GPS signal is much better and even works when I put kaiser near the window. It is cloudy and rainy here in Bosnia now, yet it took only 15sec before it received signal.
So, I have to say that this one works better for me.

Lately I too have had more issues that I wish to have. Just seems there is no perfect, or even close mix of ROM/Software that is good enough to be a daily use type. Not sure if the chefs are just over-doing or we just have a bad mix of software at this time. I do hope the chefs continue to work on a better ROM, I do know they try hard and should be commended for their efforts, but right now I may move back to an older version that just worked better. Maybe 6.0, but not quite sure yet.

This is nothing new..many have reverted back to 6.0. But for what its worth, I never have to wait longer than 45 seconds in the U.S. using the emo radio inside my car rain or shine.

After receiving a warranty replacement for my Kaiser, I'm now using the stock T-mobile UK rom, and it's far better than any WM6.1 cooked rom + radio that I've tried when it comes to GPS.
However, the battery life is probably not quite as good. The unit is just as fast as with any of the cooked roms I've tried.
I can't really think of any tangible benefits from using cooked roms, as this stock WM6 rom works well, and I can add any functionality I need by installing the right programs.
I use PointUI, so I would not benefit from the significant improvements to the WM gui that the cooks have produced.
However, I enjoy trying out new roms and seeing what the cooks come up with, so I may still do it anyway, just for the fun of it!

you are absolutely right and now i am going to downgrade to 6.0

GPS is nice to have on my phone but if I truly needed GPS I would have bought a truly more reliable (read: GPS Specific) device.
If I need directions I can still use Google Maps to plot the turns, on my own - like in the old days. *snicker*

TasoM said:
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11
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BTW: What version of HardSPL are you using?

Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.

JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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Sorry, duh, I guess we aren't talking about the development of ROMS, eh?

why
JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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... perhaps because it considers WM6.1 ROM development in the context of the WM6 platform for the Kaiser.
@tabashir --> Threaded SMS use PocketCM. I would be interested in a free replacement to the WM6.1 threaded SMS but http://www.pocketcm.com/index.php does not contain any details of this. Can you throw some light on this. Thx
[Edit - OK found threaded SMS using pocket CM thanks - will check it out thanks]

Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!

How's the video playback and game/ui performance on the stock 6.0?

a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on, another one is that when some major changes come in 6.1 i will not have major issues with upgrading my apps mms/sms etc... to the new ROM and not have to worry about radio's and hardspl as i would be already running it..
besides you guys forget, your running windows... i always reboot my phone and a good reason is because i change batteries so every 1-3days it will be rebooted, it mixes most of the small issues.
As far as GPS its always been the same, i havent ever bothered with GPS to be there for me, its just to aid me, i do use google maps which helps i never have used GPS to tell me were to drive i think that is insane, nor will i ever do it, i like to know exactly were to go and what my options are

tabashir said:
Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.
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Try the newer rom(s) with manilla 2D (hyperdragon III is currently the only one publicly available). Newer is better.

I too switched to 6.0
tabashir said:
Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!
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I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?

To be honest, 6.0 is much stable and less problematic so far compare to 6.1.
Most of the 6.1 problems (e.g. cleartype landscape) have some workaround solutions. But problem like the famous Activesync 86000107 still doesn't have any solution yet.
For me, the only advantage of 6.1 is much faster startup time, and overall system performance.

drutort said:
a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on
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The 2D drivers could be a real benefit, but there's no advantage for me or most people having the 3D drivers installed at the moment.
I'll probably give Hyperdragon with TouchFlo 2D a go, but I would not be suprised if I end up sticking pointUI on it and have the exact same functionality and aesthetics as the stock rom. I hope I'm wrong!

kolibrik said:
I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?
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I am done with problem 86000107, I want to go back to WM 6.0, Where did you find the official WM 6.0 ROM World wide English, and did you need to install a HardSPL or not ????
Thanks
Danny K.
[email protected]

Now we're talking little bout religion here, LoL.
There was times at beginning of WM6.1 issuance that with so many problems came with it i sometimes convert back to stock HTC WM6, or Schaps 4.30 (most good looking and well done cooked WM6 i tried). I remember it was only before July i keep converting back. Yett most of the time i did it only to get the feeling of what's right before and try to 'port' (find solution) the great feelings to the newer WM6.1.
Nowadays, WM6.1 already much familiarized by the chefs here and gained much tweaks. On a proper hand, it does make big difference in performance. My Kaiser is now running full fledged without any issues, it even have landscape cleartype enabled now for my liking (yet i don't do threaded sms). Faster, more stable, less power hungry, quicker gps fix, more instant screen rotation, than before.
Wow, what happened? It's because the wonder of this community, that's why. AFAIK, i have used several PDA and the conclusion is still the same: left to itself, Microsoft's (MS) product does sux big time. Without this community it will dragging its own feet to its graveyard. I think HTC at least a bit better than MS in adapting to market's demand (i truly belief many HTC engineers are member of this forum, much more than MS's). Cuz I saw some pattern in behaviour here.
Bottomline, WM6.1 is indeed much more problematic than WM6. Yet WM6 was also much more problematic than WM5, or 2003SE!
That's the way MS works, man, everytime they issue newer OS they try to include more functionalities, features, etc, while at the same time introducing more bugs than before. For example, who use windows vista here, care to share your experience with it? Cuz I don't. I even use winXP only after SP2 issued.
Never trust Micro$oft product! Just trust the power of users and communities who expanding it! Now my religion is not WM6.1, but rather, XDA-Devs. So in case next time XDA-Devs decided they have enough with WM,then i may join the convert to Android. Amen.

Windows Mobile 6 vs. Windows Mobile 6.1

I know this has been posted close to a million times, but I really think that it deserves a poll and a new thread. Mods, if you disagree with me, please close or delete this thread. I will probably get flamed for even starting this, but I can live with it.
OK, here's the situation:
As very few of you know, I am working very hard on my next ROM release. I have come to a point to actually consider starting over and using Windows Mobile 6, which I have NEVER had any bugs with, unlike Windows Mobile 6.1.
So, let's say that:
1. I cooked in threaded SMS (possible)
2. I somewhat made startup time speedier (disabling the startup animation)
Here's the big question:
Would you use a Windows Mobile 6 ROM?
I look forward to your feedback

I'm one of those people who always wants the newest (which isn't good at times). I probably would not go back to WM6. I do agree that it was less buggier and all, but it's just a bit outdated in my book.
Great work on the new ROM

WM6.1 gives me a better battery life, which is my biggest +

If you cook in M2D, I will use it. I may not stay with it for a long time, but I will at least give it a try.
I just hate that long ass install process with 39 cabs and 700 soft resets.

ashuzzz said:
WM6.1 gives me a better battery life, which is my biggest +
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Didn't realize that for my Tilt. I had a defective battery and it would run out pretty fast so i got a replacement from ATT and the battery has been perfect ever since. Would be nice to see a benchmark to compare battery life under the same circumstances on both OSs.

my vote for WM6.0

I would seriously consider going back. I do think I get better battery life with 6.1, but yeah, you are right....lots of random, odd issues with 6.1.
I would give it a whirl!

WM6.1 has quite few nice enhancements to WM6, so my answer to your poll (where is the poll?) is probably no, I wouldn't "go back" to WM6.
IMHO, and in my experience, most of the bugs in WM6.1 anyways come with other software (that was actually designed for WM6, like some HTC apps).
Battery life is better with WM6.1, no doubt (all users of the devices that got WM6.1 facelift said that). Thats a major fact to consider.
Having said that: if you would cook a WM 2003 SE for Kaiser, I would have jump on it as if it was some hot girl

hey mbarvian.... id b more than glad to use it if u based it off of the rogers wm6 rom that way i can take advantage of the name display feature that seems to only b available on that rom

I could definitely go for a good hybrid prefferably with good graphics handling

There may be bugs but there are many bug fixes that I can't go back to 6.0

nvmkpk said:
There may be bugs but there are many bug fixes that I can't go back to 6.0
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WM6.0 isn't bug-free either
The least amount of bugs in any of WinMo OSes (IMHO) were in WM 2003 SE... but then it was much limited in some function compared to later WinMo OSes...
Actually I think each one is apples and oranges, all of them have their different and distinct bugs, features and pros & cons

If I could get the battery life from wm6.1 in wm6.0 I would love to use one of Alexs roms .
-McMex

WM 6.1
For me, the biggest reason to use WM6.1 is the improved bluetooth support. I use my phone with a carkit (Parrot) every day and the WM6 (and I have tried quite a lot), always gave me trouble with dropped calls, the carkit thinking that a call was going on when nothing was happening, low volume.
All of these things are solved with 6.1, so I would not go back.
Good luck with the new Rom,
DeputyNL

I've been using 6.1 and at first I liked it, but after some time with it, it's unreasonably buggy and LAGGY. Sliding the tilt open and many many times when I want to click something, I have to wait and wait while clicking for it to recognize that I'm trying to tap a choice or an X.. I would def like to see a lite, non plagued with crap hybrid, fast, and battery efficient.

kwickone said:
I would seriously consider going back. I do think I get better battery life with 6.1, but yeah, you are right....lots of random, odd issues with 6.1.
I would give it a whirl!
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QFT
bla bla bla "qft" was 2 short lol

Well, yes, I miss 6.0.
It's OK for me as long as it is almoast as speedy as the latest roms here.
BTW, can we use the Omnia driver with a 6.0 ROM ?

Seriously speaking I hardly found any difference with both of them. I like to change My device OS so that was probably the reason.Anway My vote with both of them.

battery life is same in 6.0 for me. gps is much much more faster in 6.0. so i vote for going back.

My feedback about WM 6.1
- No cleartype in landscape mode
- Those 15 MB extra RAM used, other PDAs with WM 6.1 and 128 MB of RAM have more free. I do not see a big speed improvement due to that. I do not like seeing only 20 MB free while running Opera and Tomeraider for example.
- All WM 6.1 radios for some reason have problems connecting to my router, must set the power to the max even when at a few cm.
- QuickGPS data is NOT being used by any (including official) WM 6.1 ROM. I got tired of trying buggy ROMs and went back to WM 6.0. When you start GPS in a program, GPS satellite locations on the sky appear inmediatly, and GPS lock is obtained in 5 -7 seconds. I never, never, got that with any WM 6.1 radio. Stop GPS, start again, fix instantaneous.
- Battery life is not worse than with many radios, check power consumption in Homescreen Plus plus. Also chequed while running Navizon for example (phone, GPS and WiFi on), not different than what I have seen in the last months.
- Once I installed all my usual programs, I cannot see any difference between WM 6.0 and 6.1. And I do not like threaded SMS very much, I cannot delete individual messages, just the entire log for that person.

Windows Mobile 6.5 has gone gold?

Just found this article over on Engadget that proclaims that (via Twitter) Microsoft has announced that 6.5 has, indeed, gone gold.
Engadget Post here.

Cool, but haven't most of us flashed to some cooked v. already? Neat, but mundane-ish.

Sounds great! I hope microsoft will release it soon.

Can I still get it when my phone isn't flashed and is still on default software?

Ok, for those of you who had the at&t "Tilt" (Kaiser), if we use the same timeline....MS RTM'd 6.5, let's say they ship it in July. If we use that as a benchmark, and remember how long it took at&t to release 6.1 for the Tilt, it will be December 09 at the EARLIEST before we could see (if at all) 6.5 show up "officially" on the Touch Pro. LOL.......
If it wasn't for the cooks on XDA, we'd be slaves to whenever the carriers would get around to releasing updates. "Timely manor" is not in their vocabulary.

cbreze said:
Cool, but haven't most of us flashed to some cooked v. already? Neat, but mundane-ish.
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So how is this mundane? We have been running beta software up to this point.

jcotterman said:
So how is this mundane? We have been running beta software up to this point.
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Chill man, it's sarcasm. Did ya notice the eyes rolling? But it's not going to be a whole lot diff except for hopefully less buggy, and the beta's I've been running have been really pretty solid for the most part. I'm looking forward to this as much as anybody. Lets loosen up. Life's way to short.

Good news, but I don't think there will be many differences with current custom 6.5 roms. Of course it's good to have the latest stable version as the base for custom roms.

jcotterman said:
Just found this article over on Engadget that proclaims that (via Twitter) Microsoft has announced that 6.5 has, indeed, gone gold.
Engadget Post here.
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No gold, no happy!
6.5 is very slowly！

Might not be "gold" but the roms on XDA are pretty good. Installed 6.5 last night, MUCH faster than 6.1. UI has NO lag.
rigelfrog said:
No gold, no happy!
6.5 is very slowly！
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p51d007 said:
Might not be "gold" but the roms on XDA are pretty good. Installed 6.5 last night, MUCH faster than 6.1. UI has NO lag.
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With TF3D or with the new 6.5 look?

iceman4357 said:
With TF3D or with the new 6.5 look?
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Either or. It's about a billion times faster.

The rom I downloaded, was RRE's series 6, 6.5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506837
He has the default wm6.5 interface (called chrome) & the tf3d interface. You simply toggle the one you want from the today screen.
My Fuze is MUCH faster... no screen lag, even when rotating. I'm still using the TF3D interface, haven't had much time to tinker with anything...too busy at work. If you've never flashed one, other than a rom update from a carrier (if yours is carrier locked), you'll need to do some reading. Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Simple, straight forward steps on how to flash one.
I already knew what I needed, but ran the instructions step by step..."stupidly simple" as I like to call it. Once you get hard SPL changed,
flashing is the same (if you use the Rom Update Utility). It updates, reboots, and you are done.
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With TF3D or with the new 6.5 look?
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I have been waiting for 6.5 to be out of beta before flashing. I will probably flash 6.5 tonight anyways...even if 6.5 is gold...it will be awhile before we get our hands on an offical release.

Yeah, if you have an at&t fuze....I remember when the 6.1 update came out...it took at&t over 6 months to finally release it "officially".
The 6.5 is the first "cooked" rom I've used. I won't use a "carrier" rom update
again. These are for lack of another term, bloat free.
This one has a few apps and some really nice tools that i download and install
anyway. The program "update" utility is really nice to have.
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.it will be awhile before we get our hands on an offical release.
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p51d007 said:
The rom I downloaded, was RRE's series 6, 6.5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506837
He has the default wm6.5 interface (called chrome) & the tf3d interface. You simply toggle the one you want from the today screen.
My Fuze is MUCH faster... no screen lag, even when rotating. I'm still using the TF3D interface, haven't had much time to tinker with anything...too busy at work. If you've never flashed one, other than a rom update from a carrier (if yours is carrier locked), you'll need to do some reading. Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Simple, straight forward steps on how to flash one.
I already knew what I needed, but ran the instructions step by step..."stupidly simple" as I like to call it. Once you get hard SPL changed,
flashing is the same (if you use the Rom Update Utility). It updates, reboots, and you are done.
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I chg's the rom on my Tilt from 6.0 to 6.1 and would like to do the same on my Fuze 6.1 to 6.5. Can this be done without reinstalling all my software or was it like the Tilt, start from scratch?

Start from scratch. One of the guys at work changed his tilt from 6.1 to 6.5 and loves it.
Rickgig said:
I chg's the rom on my Tilt from 6.0 to 6.1 and would like to do the same on my Fuze 6.1 to 6.5. Can this be done without reinstalling all my software or was it like the Tilt, start from scratch?
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getting 6.5
Im very sure this is a noob question but how do I get WM 6.5? My AT&T Fuze (which is aparently the "raphael" ) I have 6.1 and whenever I use WM update it tells me I have the latest version. wtf. or is 6.5 even officialy out yet?

xOCEANx said:
Im very sure this is a noob question but how do I get WM 6.5? My AT&T Fuze (which is aparently the "raphael" ) I have 6.1 and whenever I use WM update it tells me I have the latest version. wtf. or is 6.5 even officialy out yet?
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It's not officially out yet as I understand.
The link posted within the quote from my post above will take you where you need to go for the 6.5 rom. I haven't done it yet and it was really painless on my Tilt when I had it.
I am assuming that this ROM doesn't contain the bloatware that we have to deal with in the official "AT&T" ROM. I mention this cause there was a little trick that had to be done in order to bypass the bloatware load. It really wasn't that tough although it did take me a coule of tries before I got it right.
If you haven't modified your phone much then just follow the instructions. If you've added software and other tweeks... you will have to reload them again (based on the reply from "p51d007").
If you need help this board is awesome. Also you can send me a PM and I'll try to help best I can.

WinMo6.1 to WinMo6.5, anyone else who may not upgrade?

Well, by the time I work out all the bugs and install all the cabs such as Cleanup, earpiece volume, BT repair, weather locations, advanced config.....
I'm REAL concerned some of these won't work in 6.5 PARTICULARLY the Ear piece volume! One of the the worst stock phones I've ever owned for volume. Quite honestly, if not for the ear piece volume boost cab I would have sent it back.
Anyway, I'm concerned that these "fixes" won't work in 6.5 when "officially" released.
Anyone else considering skipping it? Anyone want to shed some light on whether these cabs work on some of the cooked ROM's? I'm guessing if they do, they should work on the official release.
Anyway, chime in!

I think I'm going to take a "wait and see" approach to the 6.5 upgrade and then decide if it's worth the trouble.

I haven't seen anything compelling that will make me upgrade... If by some miracle HTC includes TF3 2.5, that would make it more interesting, but if not, why bother?
New 6.5 features
New today screen
New start menu
Themes
Lock screen
MSN Widgets
Improved IE
Gesture support/General UI improvements
Marketplace
6.1 equivalent
HTC today Screen
HTC programs tab
Mods to TF3
S2U2
MSN???
Opera/Skyfire
None
Marketplace
My opinion
TF3 2.5 wins, but is N/A
6.1 programs tab wins (Don't like the honeycomb)
Draw (If I am mostly in TF3 anyway, what good are 6.5 themes?)
Draw (Nice features in the new lock screen, but S2U2 is advanced and works well)
Haven't seen much on this so hard to evaluate
Opera/Skyfire by a landslide
Nice to have, but incomp. IMHO. Later builds of 6.5 look much better that what is currently out for the TP2
No advantage obviously.
So all in all it is an incremental upgrade with a few nice to haves, but I would probably end up using the HTC sofware much more than anything WM 6.5 gives me so I will certainly be waiting until all of the bugs are worked out and I get something that I want out of it. Am I missing anything?

Number 4 is one of the things I'm most worried about, I really like S2U2 because it's so useful beyond a simple lock screen, it allows me to take a quick peak at my text messages or emails or missed calls, also I like the feature that allows the wallpaper to change at random from a specified directory. If anyone knows if it is possible to disable to 6.5 lockscreen so I could use S2U2 instead.
Also, I've heard that 6.5 memory handling is better if that's true that might be enough to push me to upgrade.

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I haven't seen anything compelling that will make me upgrade... If by some miracle HTC includes TF3 2.5, that would make it more interesting, but if not, why bother?
New 6.5 features
New today screen
New start menu
Themes
Lock screen
MSN Widgets
Improved IE
Gesture support/General UI improvements
Marketplace
6.1 equivalent
HTC today Screen
HTC programs tab
Mods to TF3
S2U2
MSN???
Opera/Skyfire
None
Marketplace
My opinion
TF3 2.5 wins, but is N/A
6.1 programs tab wins (Don't like the honeycomb)
Draw (If I am mostly in TF3 anyway, what good are 6.5 themes?)
Draw (Nice features in the new lock screen, but S2U2 is advanced and works well)
Haven't seen much on this so hard to evaluate
Opera/Skyfire by a landslide
Nice to have, but incomp. IMHO. Later builds of 6.5 look much better that what is currently out for the TP2
No advantage obviously.
So all in all it is an incremental upgrade with a few nice to haves, but I would probably end up using the HTC sofware much more than anything WM 6.5 gives me so I will certainly be waiting until all of the bugs are worked out and I get something that I want out of it. Am I missing anything?
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Thanks for the comparative. Problem with us phone junkies(I really mean me unless the shoe fits) is we are constantly searching for the next latest/greatest thing for our devices. I'm sure most of us have trialed the various cooked 6.5 roms on other devices. Most recently tp1 for me. It was fun and interesting to have something on my phone that most everybody else did not. I'm the phone junkie in my group. Again, it was fun to try them out and I'll maybe do it again when hspl is out for cdma, but I hear more issues than goodness coming from those who have already flashed the "official" ROM from HTC. Maybe when the various excellent chefs get ahold of it they can stabilize it a bit more.
I'm very happy with my tp2 running the stock 6.1. When I need something different I just tweak mobile shell 3.5. It can give me a whole new look. The various cabs and tweaks for the ms and the tf3d are very nice. So boredom is not a factor when changes to the ui are at my whim and fingertips.
And I'll surely get flamed for this, but [the titanium interface is one of the biggest pieces o' shats I have ever had the displeasure of installing and whoever in the hell came up with that crap must have surely been on crack.]
(end of titanium pos rant)
Side note: I'm now hearing that along with some stability issues the new 6.5 htc rom has battery life issues. Hmmmm.....whats to like??

I like SPB 3.5 too, but had to abandon it after I found out it knocked out my conference calling and all the shortcuts/icons while in call. Seems those are only supported my manila.

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One of the the worst stock phones I've ever owned for volume. Quite honestly, if not for the ear piece volume boost cab I would have sent it back.
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My earpiece volume is fine, which surprised me since my right ear is the one I use most often and it's hearing-impaired (untreated).
Perhaps instead of complaining about the phone itself you might have your hearing checked or use a bluetooth earpiece with higher volume, since the speaker would be sitting in your ear instead of on it.

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So all in all it is an incremental upgrade with a few nice to haves, but I would probably end up using the HTC sofware much more than anything WM 6.5 gives me so I will certainly be waiting until all of the bugs are worked out and I get something that I want out of it. Am I missing anything?
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Couldn't have said it better myself. With customizing cabs and TF3D, any advantages for me personally from 6.5 have been overwritten. Unless something in the future won't work on 6.1, I may not upgrade at all.

Half way house to remove bloatware
The most significant issue I would like to address would be to eliminate the carriers bloatware from the Ex ROM to free up more memory. If there was a cab to do just that I'd be keen to stay with running the stock ROM as adjusted by Clean Up etc.
Anyone come across anything like that?

Don't know if this cleanup would work for you... but you might want to check it out anyway.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=88640

That is the "CleanUp" I referred to in my post. In my opinion its an absolute "must" if you are running the stock rom (remember to choose the right carrier variant) but it does not attempt to adjust anything in the Ext Rom which i believe is where all the carrier specific software sits - which for the most part you have to pay extra to use.
Thanks for pointing the "clean up" out though!

Some people are talking about voice command working over bluetooth under 6.5 where it does not work under 6.1. I personally have not used this software but I'm interested in it. I suppose I could download it and play with it to see if it adds any value. I believe it is $30 which is way beyond what I am willing to pay for software at this point... Anyone have any experience with it?

The stock Voice Command (Sprint) works fine for calling numbers or people in my contacts and starting programs. It does not work at all for announcing in coming calls and only announces email and text messages through the phones speaker and not the bluetooth headset. That's been my biggest single complaint with 6.1 on this phone. I need it to announce incoming calls in my headset. That alone would most likely be enough for me to install it. Paying $30.00 for something that's already on the phone and most likely won't work anyhow don't make since to me.
If any one has a fix for the caller announce problem, I'd love to hear about it. I can't find a solution except to wait for 6.5.

Just noticed how old this thread is. Since it began I've tried several 6.5 roms and am now pretty much settled back on the 6.1 oem verizon stock rom. I cannot find anything that compares for stability, speed and great ram utilization. For me the forray into the 6.5 rom world was fun, but ultimately a less productive device was my result. To each their own, but IMHO verizon hit a home run with their stock rom this time.

cbreze said:
Just noticed how old this thread is. Since it began I've tried several 6.5 roms and am now pretty much settled back on the 6.1 oem verizon stock rom. I cannot find anything that compares for stability, speed and great ram utilization. For me the forray into the 6.5 rom world was fun, but ultimately a less productive device was my result. To each their own, but IMHO verizon hit a home run with their stock rom this time.
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I agree. I have also tried several 6.5 ROMs including VZW OEM. I keep coming back to the OEM 6.1 ROM because is is more stable, less of a memory hog, and I found that the OEM 6.5 ROM just didn't offer anything new.

Yep
I have to admit, never tried 6.5 ROMs, just kept reading the reviews hoping to seen one without issues. SPB mobile came out with a newer release and all my conference calling and in calling buttons started working again. SPB is great!

[Q] Is This Best Forum For A Memory Question?

I just got a Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2. I know, I'm late to the party.
Have a memory question: Using Task Manager - Viewing Processes I see Device.exe is/was using over 12 MB of memory. I did a soft reset and then Device.exe shows 8.85. What kind of foolishness is going on and can anything be done to prevent squandering of precious memory?
Also when I added up all the memory in processes there is a difference of about 45 MB between what the memory adds up to in processes and what Task Manager shows in Program Memory. Who stole the 45 MB?
Using Windows 6.5 with HTC Sense 2.5 and CHT(Cookies Home Tab) 1.85 which is the best theme I've ever used. Also Duttys Task Manager is a cab I couldn't do without.
I chose CHT over SPB Mobile Shell although I do miss a couple of the SPB widgets.

I had thought of an answer for you but my memory isn't what it used to be.
But seriously, try a rom without 2.5 and CHT and you'll be surprised how much memory you have. I suggest using a rom with Sense 2.1 or Rhodium Manila.

Mr. horndoctor: Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I don't/can't flash. Tried..failed..gave up.
By the way, did you belong to the HTC Touch forum? I think there was a horndoctor that was there.

jimt007 said:
Mr. horndoctor: Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I don't/can't flash. Tried..failed..gave up.
By the way, did you belong to the HTC Touch forum? I think there was a horndoctor that was there.
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Yep, that's me!
I suggest flashing back to the Sprint 6.1 shipped rom. I personally use it. Even though it doesn't have all the eye candy that other roms have it is stable and works great. You don't have to be unlocked to flash it just download it to your pc, sync with your device and click on the exe to flash it. In my opinion, there are a lot of problems with the Sprint shipped 6.5 rom.

Thanks for the insight.
Could you elaborate about what you think are some of the issues?
I've had a few Touch Pro 2's and the first 2 locked up a lot but the one I have now hasn't locked up yet (about a week).
Other then that no real problems.
I wanted the 6.1 memory manager and I got that. I went back and forth between SPB Mobile Shell and HTC Sense but with the Cookie Home Tab theme I really am very pleased with it now. I would like to have the birthday/anniversary widget that is build into MS because it is so fast but I have settled for ManilaBirthday.cab.
If you know of a similar program to ManilaBirthday but is fast I'd like to try it.
If you haven't checked out CHT you really should. Nicest most powerful theme I've ever seen and so far very stable.
By the way I read a lot of your posts from the Touch Forum and got a lot of help from you. Thanks for that too.

jimt007 said:
Thanks for the insight.
Could you elaborate about what you think are some of the issues?
I've had a few Touch Pro 2's and the first 2 locked up a lot but the one I have now hasn't locked up yet (about a week).
Other then that no real problems.
I wanted the 6.1 memory manager and I got that. I went back and forth between SPB Mobile Shell and HTC Sense but with the Cookie Home Tab theme I really am very pleased with it now. I would like to have the birthday/anniversary widget that is build into MS because it is so fast but I have settled for ManilaBirthday.cab.
If you know of a similar program to ManilaBirthday but is fast I'd like to try it.
If you haven't checked out CHT you really should. Nicest most powerful theme I've ever seen and so far very stable.
By the way I read a lot of your posts from the Touch Forum and got a lot of help from you. Thanks for that too.
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You're very welcome! It makes me feel good that my efforts might have helped you in any way.
The Sprint 6.5 shipped TP2 rom is based on an early build of 6.5 with Sense 2.5 that has proved to be buggy and very ram hungry. I just don't recommend it but if you are running fine on it then just go with it. You can always flash later to a different rom.
Good Luck!