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WM6.1 is soooo laggy

Every wm6.1 rom I flash, have the same result: lag! (I DO a hard reset after each new rom). Tried Dutty's, orginal HTC's, Alex, etc, etc.
Sometimes wm is running smoothly for a while, but most of the time the lag is terrible, sometimes the delay is even more then 5 seconds!
Anyone have the same experience (and more important: anyone who knows how to fix this)?

Very strange... I have not had any issues so far and I have flashed every WM 6.1 rom that has been posted thus far. What radio version are you running with the WM 6.1 builds?

Tried all tree radio's. Never had problems with sound, camera, gps, but every time 'the lag is back'.
Is it possible it has something to do with a combi of pagepool and cache-settings?

aartjanm said:
Every wm6.1 rom I flash, have the same result: lag! (I DO a hard reset after each new rom). Tried Dutty's, orginal HTC's, Alex, etc, etc.
Sometimes wm is running smoothly for a while, but most of the time the lag is terrible, sometimes the delay is even more then 5 seconds!
Anyone have the same experience (and more important: anyone who knows how to fix this)?
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Try running Alex's 1.62 AT&T build. That thing is pretty freaking fast Got a great SPB benchmarking score of 436 according to my testing.

Is the 1.62 rom WM6.1?

Can I use an ATT Tilt rom on a non ATT phone (Dutch MDA Vario III Tmobile)? Never tried that, because of all the warnings about ATT and non ATT phones/radio's/etc.

decimusmaximus7 said:
Is the 1.62 rom WM6.1?
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No it is not. But it does have a lot of updated drivers & Bluetooth fixes. Check the official post regarding this.
It was running very smoothly for me, even the non cooked one.
This ROM was actually released on HTC's website as an official update to the Tilts.

I agree, it is so laggy i went to Alex's 6.1 because he does great work but i did notice it was very slow and would lock up most of the time. i tried all the radio's same issue even tried just clearing out my phone thinking it was a program causing a conflict and same issue. i ended up going back to Alex's 6.0ROM and all is good in the hood once again
btw if you real this ALEX you rock
i hope that this is not some "FLUKE" bug that happens to a small amount of people and wont get reviewed by the higher powers as a issue.

aartjanm said:
Every wm6.1 rom I flash, have the same result: lag! (I DO a hard reset after each new rom). Tried Dutty's, orginal HTC's, Alex, etc, etc.
Sometimes wm is running smoothly for a while, but most of the time the lag is terrible, sometimes the delay is even more then 5 seconds!
Anyone have the same experience (and more important: anyone who knows how to fix this)?
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Lagging? Are you comparing that lag to original ATT roms or one of Dutty's/Sleuth/cooked roms? compared to dualtouch v4(dutty), ive found some lag as well, but not compared to ATT's, blazing compared to ATT...

If you've try many roms already? Can I ask are you using a task manager?
Tweaks; cooked roms are already tweak to better suit them.

I am using Dutty's 6.1 Official, and I love it to death. I had used his beta and it had a lot of bugs and was laggy so I had to revert back, however his new rom is gorgeous (THANKS DUTTY), it is very smooth and other than not being able to soft reset through the power switch, there is no lag and I am using radio 1.58.26.20
Oh its a tilt

I agree, I tried three 6.1 ROMs including the latest Dutty's ROM which I am currently on... and they all lag...
Also notice a problem when I go to the call logs screen and press the red endkey button to go to the home

thanks for this thread. I was considering flashing, but after this I'll stick to my stock rom till official upgrade. I am on wm6 t-mob uk and after tweaks I cannot see the reason to flash anything else anyway. the device is rock solid and snappy enough.
cheers
bro

stay out of the kitchen...
i dont know why a thread like this is created... utter nonsense if you ask me. ive only noticed all positive changes with wm6.1 with no lag... in fact... my video is exceptionally faster on the newer roms. especially sleuth or duttys. a lot of these chefs pour their heart into these meals... if you cant enjoy them... too bad, cause some of us love what they do and appreciate how much more awesome our devices are with each new build. keep up the good work guys... youre heading in the right direction... there is LESS lag... considerably

bronx said:
thanks for this thread. I was considering flashing, but after this I'll stick to my stock rom till official upgrade. I am on wm6 t-mob uk and after tweaks I cannot see the reason to flash anything else anyway. the device is rock solid and snappy enough.
cheers
bro
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I can not agree more. the stock rom I have, WWE Tytn II , equipped with tons and tons of cabs I found here is stable at 99.9 %. Though Dutties Rom gives an almost 1800 VSbenchmark and mine only 1392, I do not complain.
Videoclips lag, though I found out that theyd DO play better when using the "X" bottom before, stopping all open applications.
I am eager to flash, but only when a guaranteed stable and quick cooked 6.1 ROM will offer me further a fuzz-free environment.
EDIT 1: No, I have no lag what so ever.
EDIT 2: I owe a lot of respect for all chefs spending plenty of hours on their work (hobby?) helping this community. I just wait for the one who might have "the ultimate ROM" .Fair no?
(i am playing with the 3D.dll 's further on meawhile hehe)

Keyboard\Screen lag
I promise that lag will be gone if you flash mine
Commercial for myself but I fixed the screen\keyboard lag
My base is latest Vodafone 6.1 ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366014
Cheers,
Leo

Michaelr219 said:
i dont know why a thread like this is created... utter nonsense if you ask me. ive only noticed all positive changes with wm6.1 with no lag... in fact... my video is exceptionally faster on the newer roms. especially sleuth or duttys. a lot of these chefs pour their heart into these meals... if you cant enjoy them... too bad, cause some of us love what they do and appreciate how much more awesome our devices are with each new build. keep up the good work guys... youre heading in the right direction... there is LESS lag... considerably
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well, there is a reason why people are complaining: all WM6.1 ROMS (till now) are considerably slower than the recent cooked WM6.0 ROMS.
At least according to "objective" tests like SPB Benchmark and VS Benchmark the WM6.1 still can't catch up the WM6.0's..
So the feeling of lagginess (does this word exist?) is understandable.
But our cooks are working so only a matter of time???.

Ariel_S said:
Lagging? Are you comparing that lag to original ATT roms or one of Dutty's/Sleuth/cooked roms? compared to dualtouch v4(dutty), ive found some lag as well, but not compared to ATT's, blazing compared to ATT...
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Compared to wm6 roms. They are really fast, but all wm6.1 roms I tried aren't....

Michaelr219 said:
i dont know why a thread like this is created... utter nonsense if you ask me. ive only noticed all positive changes with wm6.1 with no lag... in fact... my video is exceptionally faster on the newer roms. especially sleuth or duttys. a lot of these chefs pour their heart into these meals... if you cant enjoy them... too bad, cause some of us love what they do and appreciate how much more awesome our devices are with each new build. keep up the good work guys... youre heading in the right direction... there is LESS lag... considerably
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Maybe utter nonsense for your device, so be happy with THAT in stead of putting words in somebodies mouth.... On my device there IS lag... and I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK OF ALL THE CHEFS! Threads like this have the intension of helping people with problems with upgrading.
Having said that.... all others: thanx for the advice sofar. Any suggestions on pagepool & cache settings fixing the lagproblem on some devices are welcome And for all the chefs I'm gonna use the positive words of Michaelr219: keep up the good work!!!

hello again.
sorry if it's going to be an offtop, but after reading Your posts some things have crossed my mind.
back in the days when I was quite happy owner of vario II (wm 5 out of the box) exciting thing have happened. when I was browsing through these forums I've spotted a wm6 rom for my device. that was something. just like jumping from w95 to xp on pc. almost everything seemed to be different. I was using black flavour (best regards jasjamming wherever You are now Mate) with various versions. flashing addiction was quite understandable then, as we were improving our devices A LOT.
now with vario III I am wondering why people are trying hard to fix things that are not broken? I am not bashing anyone's work, I have a lot of love for all the so called cooks for their free contribution, but I don't understand what is this fuss all about.
as I read more and more I learn, that 6.1 is not that great at all. ppl are asking how to switch off threaded sms, pie is still unusable(ish) and now the info that roms are slower than 6.
so can please guy who said to stay out explain to me what's so good with those 6.1 that I cannot have with 6? I am not flaming or whatever, maybe I just lost something while diggin' through all those threads.
I also said, that imo it's not a bad idea to hold on for offcial roms given official way, as they are tend to be more solid and complete.
just my five cents
br
bro

Is newer better?

Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.

Same here
I have experienced the same mate. I have tried God knows how many 6.1s and besides, they are looking great and neat (thanks to our brilliant chefs here), i didn't see any improvement on my tilt, just opposite. I have experienced annoying non responsive display, very slow response time, and there was a time when I had to press display several times before I was able to run anything on the phone... let alone the GPS.
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11 and I have to say that my Tilt has never been faster and more stabile. Moreover, GPS signal is much better and even works when I put kaiser near the window. It is cloudy and rainy here in Bosnia now, yet it took only 15sec before it received signal.
So, I have to say that this one works better for me.

Lately I too have had more issues that I wish to have. Just seems there is no perfect, or even close mix of ROM/Software that is good enough to be a daily use type. Not sure if the chefs are just over-doing or we just have a bad mix of software at this time. I do hope the chefs continue to work on a better ROM, I do know they try hard and should be commended for their efforts, but right now I may move back to an older version that just worked better. Maybe 6.0, but not quite sure yet.

This is nothing new..many have reverted back to 6.0. But for what its worth, I never have to wait longer than 45 seconds in the U.S. using the emo radio inside my car rain or shine.

After receiving a warranty replacement for my Kaiser, I'm now using the stock T-mobile UK rom, and it's far better than any WM6.1 cooked rom + radio that I've tried when it comes to GPS.
However, the battery life is probably not quite as good. The unit is just as fast as with any of the cooked roms I've tried.
I can't really think of any tangible benefits from using cooked roms, as this stock WM6 rom works well, and I can add any functionality I need by installing the right programs.
I use PointUI, so I would not benefit from the significant improvements to the WM gui that the cooks have produced.
However, I enjoy trying out new roms and seeing what the cooks come up with, so I may still do it anyway, just for the fun of it!

you are absolutely right and now i am going to downgrade to 6.0

GPS is nice to have on my phone but if I truly needed GPS I would have bought a truly more reliable (read: GPS Specific) device.
If I need directions I can still use Google Maps to plot the turns, on my own - like in the old days. *snicker*

TasoM said:
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11
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BTW: What version of HardSPL are you using?

Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.

JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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Sorry, duh, I guess we aren't talking about the development of ROMS, eh?

why
JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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... perhaps because it considers WM6.1 ROM development in the context of the WM6 platform for the Kaiser.
@tabashir --> Threaded SMS use PocketCM. I would be interested in a free replacement to the WM6.1 threaded SMS but http://www.pocketcm.com/index.php does not contain any details of this. Can you throw some light on this. Thx
[Edit - OK found threaded SMS using pocket CM thanks - will check it out thanks]

Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!

How's the video playback and game/ui performance on the stock 6.0?

a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on, another one is that when some major changes come in 6.1 i will not have major issues with upgrading my apps mms/sms etc... to the new ROM and not have to worry about radio's and hardspl as i would be already running it..
besides you guys forget, your running windows... i always reboot my phone and a good reason is because i change batteries so every 1-3days it will be rebooted, it mixes most of the small issues.
As far as GPS its always been the same, i havent ever bothered with GPS to be there for me, its just to aid me, i do use google maps which helps i never have used GPS to tell me were to drive i think that is insane, nor will i ever do it, i like to know exactly were to go and what my options are

tabashir said:
Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.
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Try the newer rom(s) with manilla 2D (hyperdragon III is currently the only one publicly available). Newer is better.

I too switched to 6.0
tabashir said:
Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!
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I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?

To be honest, 6.0 is much stable and less problematic so far compare to 6.1.
Most of the 6.1 problems (e.g. cleartype landscape) have some workaround solutions. But problem like the famous Activesync 86000107 still doesn't have any solution yet.
For me, the only advantage of 6.1 is much faster startup time, and overall system performance.

drutort said:
a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on
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The 2D drivers could be a real benefit, but there's no advantage for me or most people having the 3D drivers installed at the moment.
I'll probably give Hyperdragon with TouchFlo 2D a go, but I would not be suprised if I end up sticking pointUI on it and have the exact same functionality and aesthetics as the stock rom. I hope I'm wrong!

kolibrik said:
I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?
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I am done with problem 86000107, I want to go back to WM 6.0, Where did you find the official WM 6.0 ROM World wide English, and did you need to install a HardSPL or not ????
Thanks
Danny K.
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Now we're talking little bout religion here, LoL.
There was times at beginning of WM6.1 issuance that with so many problems came with it i sometimes convert back to stock HTC WM6, or Schaps 4.30 (most good looking and well done cooked WM6 i tried). I remember it was only before July i keep converting back. Yett most of the time i did it only to get the feeling of what's right before and try to 'port' (find solution) the great feelings to the newer WM6.1.
Nowadays, WM6.1 already much familiarized by the chefs here and gained much tweaks. On a proper hand, it does make big difference in performance. My Kaiser is now running full fledged without any issues, it even have landscape cleartype enabled now for my liking (yet i don't do threaded sms). Faster, more stable, less power hungry, quicker gps fix, more instant screen rotation, than before.
Wow, what happened? It's because the wonder of this community, that's why. AFAIK, i have used several PDA and the conclusion is still the same: left to itself, Microsoft's (MS) product does sux big time. Without this community it will dragging its own feet to its graveyard. I think HTC at least a bit better than MS in adapting to market's demand (i truly belief many HTC engineers are member of this forum, much more than MS's). Cuz I saw some pattern in behaviour here.
Bottomline, WM6.1 is indeed much more problematic than WM6. Yet WM6 was also much more problematic than WM5, or 2003SE!
That's the way MS works, man, everytime they issue newer OS they try to include more functionalities, features, etc, while at the same time introducing more bugs than before. For example, who use windows vista here, care to share your experience with it? Cuz I don't. I even use winXP only after SP2 issued.
Never trust Micro$oft product! Just trust the power of users and communities who expanding it! Now my religion is not WM6.1, but rather, XDA-Devs. So in case next time XDA-Devs decided they have enough with WM,then i may join the convert to Android. Amen.

What ROM do you recommend?

I have tried Timolol's WM6.5 and...I forgot the other...and this one was good for awhile but it's getting insanely buggy.
If you like the ROM you're on, and have been on it for a bit, then point me in the direction. I'd really like to use 6.5 but if I can't find a stable one, then I'll have to revert back to 6.1
Thanks

Energy Roms

DaG's WM6.5 21518 Clean ROM without MSVC is working very well for me.

Learn how to use UC and proper backup tools and then you can flash away and try as many roms as you want!
This is such an open ended question because many people have personal preference.
with that said. I would recommend NRG's EnergyROM, very stable 6.5, been using the june 30th version with a couple minor cosmetic issues, which i do not even remember what they are.

EnergyROM works also great and stable for me.

My experience was different from most those posting here. I found the 6.5's buggy. Third party calendar programs are particularly problematic (reoccuring events not even showing, to name one problem). I wanted to like the EnergyROM's... really I did... but alas, I went back to 6.1. So far, I'm experiencing stability with NATF v4.7 and liking it. I won't go back to the stock ROM.

fuze2011 said:
I have tried Timolol's WM6.5 and...I forgot the other...and this one was good for awhile but it's getting insanely buggy.
If you like the ROM you're on, and have been on it for a bit, then point me in the direction. I'd really like to use 6.5 but if I can't find a stable one, then I'll have to revert back to 6.1
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Hi, have used PROven_ROM_2.4_WWE_Manila_TP (it's WM6.1) - very good,stable and fast.
Then got Energy 3.0 50409a MSVC Raph (wM6.5) and I'm absolutely happy with it. Didn't encountered any problem so far, NRG28 does his ROM's in top level-very professional!

If you want a clean ROM with very little battery usage go with RRE's or Da_G's for absolutely stock. NRG's uses way too much battery, I enjoy charging once every 2-3 days rather than once a day but to each his own..

The most stable and bug free ROM is the latest HTC official ROM. As Da_G said in other thread, there are serious issues in 6.5, so there is no such thing as stable 6.5 ROM - eventually you will face with unnacceptable bugs, like some of XDA members did...

Like what? I don't see many if any bugs that hinder my day to day activities in 6.5, it runs smoother, it's sleeker and unreleased to the public giving it that extra "shimmer", and the built in scrolling effects are just amazing.
What bugs are you speaking of??

WHAT???
pilgrim011- There is a bug free version of WM?
When did that happen?
I too like the energyroms.
I put my crap battery life down to not having found a decent UK T-mob radio yet rather than the rom

X2D said:
Like what? I don't see many if any bugs that hinder my day to day activities in 6.5, it runs smoother, it's sleeker and unreleased to the public giving it that extra "shimmer", and the built in scrolling effects are just amazing.
What bugs are you speaking of??
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For example, this is one of 6.5 users:
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I was on the 6 hour flight and decided to play with the phone a bit out of boredom. It was locked up.
No problem soft reset. Continued to lock-up.
No problem, PIM Backup, Hard reset. Then the keyboard would not switch to ABC from 123.
No problem, switch to another SIP. It would hold the change; it kept switching back to the ROM default. No problem, just use the hardware keyboard. A couple of great days in Ireland and it was time to take a quick phone pic to send home. Camera would not work; missed the moment. Fiddled with it a bit, could not get it to work.
No problem, hard reset and try again. Camera works now, keyboard seems to have fixed itself, but phone turns off randomly.
No problem, flash another ROM I have on my storage card. Everything works now except the phone. It has a signal for 5 minutes, then no signal for 5 minutes, over and over.
No problem, switch to manual network selection, could not access the settings.
No problem, hard reset. Works fine now. Ready to take a quick picture at a golf outing where I did not lug my Nikon around. Phone has turned itself off again, missed the moment. Time to surf up some quick directions, IE locks-up.
No Problem, switch to Opera, takes forever to load, my sister already has the directions on her damn iPhone before opera even loads.
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imaginarynumber said:
WHAT???
pilgrim011- There is a bug free version of WM?
When did that happen?
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OK, don't get me wrong, there are things that I don't like - low in-call volume, TF3D is sometimes behaving weird etc., but there is always a .cab or .reg to solve these issues, and to tell you the truth, there are no serious issues with HTC ROM, phone is stable and solid as a rock. Of course, Energy ROMs are way faster and more pretty than official ROMs, but I prefer my battery life, stability etc. over speed, beauty and bugginess... And I don't want to flash my phone every 5 days.

Fair enough pilgrim011
Btw has anyone found a work around for the word completion on the keyboard that actually works regardless of wm version???
For what its worth I love/hate wm6.5- I hate that everyone now thinks that we have to have icons because we are too thick to use menus, if I really was that thick I would have purchased an iphone!!!

imaginarynumber said:
Fair enough pilgrim011
Btw has anyone found a work around for the word completion on the keyboard that actually works regardless of wm version???
For what its worth I love/hate wm6.5- I hate that everyone now thinks that we have to have icons because we are too thick to use menus, if I really was that thick I would have purchased an iphone!!!
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I recommend the fastest bestest most stable rom out there.
and I thought the reason we have all those iphone-alikes was so we could be almost cool enough to have an ibone. err.. iphone.

stay with 6.1 or move to 6.5? Pros? Cons?

while there was not a definitive WinMo 6.5 release, i didnt even consider moving to a 6.5 based ROM, but now that release date is closer, I´ve yet to see a pros and Cons of windows mobile 6.1 vs. winMo6.5.
I´ve a Diamond, so memory use is a concern.
i use manila 2.1 (hopefully 2.5 soon) so windows native dialogues are (nearly) over, and I dont need titanium WinMo6.5 native today UI.
Shall I move to 6.5 or stay with 6.1?
what advantages has a ROM based on 6.5 compared to a 6.1 ROM?
best regards

Amazed by nobody having a view into Win 6.1 vs 6.5!!!

I thought this thread would've actually been more popular... Lol.
sirgawain123 said:
I´ve a Diamond, so memory use is a concern.
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I'm not quite sure why you say that's a concern... According to Wikipedia, your Diamond has 192mb RAM (see this page), is that not true...? I'm running WM6.5 on my Elf with only 64mb RAM..
sirgawain123 said:
i use manila 2.1 (hopefully 2.5 soon) so windows native dialogues are (nearly) over, and I dont need titanium WinMo6.5 native today UI.
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As for M2D, I never really liked it much, so even with WM6.1 I never used it... I've gotten quite attached to the Titanium layout actually.. It's different, but it works well once you're use to it. Keep in mind I can only give you my opinions on upgrading.....
Pros
Easier navigation - Virtually any scrolling window can be 'dragged' up or down by dragging inside the contents instead of the scrollbar, makes it finger-friendly.
Speed - Obviously depending on who's ROM you install, many of them have had the really memory intensive applications and settings removed. This also depends on the device it was intended for; for my little Elf a lot was removed... But it's flying nicely.
PIN code prompt - I know it's minor, but every little bit counts; the PIN code prompt is always on top when the device starts up. With WM6.1 I had to invoke the 'phone' side sometimes just to put my PIN in.
Cons
Selecting files - Because of the tap-and-drag scrolling, you can't drag a selection box around a number of files in a window that scrolls.. If the window contents don't scroll, you can still do this though.
Compatibility - Many of the today screen plugins I used to use have had to be replaced with other apps; the WM6.5 today screen can be set to the old style (WM6.1), but it's your choice.
Other than those, I can't really think of much else that makes WM6.5 better or worse than WM6.1... The rest is really up to you to decide. For me, I'm more than happy with it and I have no intention of going back to 6.1 at all.

you got to try the cooked 6.5 roms to really know the BIG difference.
and you can still go back to 6.1 if you don't like it.

TheRem said:
you got to try the cooked 6.5 roms to really know the BIG difference.
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Too true... Try, try, and try again. Then try another one for good measure. Lol. I think I've changed between about 6 different ROMs in the last two weeks. I keep going back to Dsixda's Onyx ROMs though...

ZaLiTH said:
Too true... Try, try, and try again. Then try another one for good measure. Lol. I think I've changed between about 6 different ROMs in the last two weeks. I keep going back to Dsixda's Onyx ROMs though...
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Thanks prervious posters for sharing their views.
So the question would be, for a similar ROM tried with each of both cores, and disregarding the user interface preferences :
Is 6.5 lighter than 6.1?
Is 6.5 faster?
Is 6.5 more stable?
If there are three "yes"....i´ll move to 6.5!
If 6.5 is heavier on memory, but more stable and faster.....I´ll check if my device memory and aplication usage allows to move up.
if 6.5 is either slower or less stable....I´ll stay at 6.1 unless i fall in love with titanium UI!

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Is 6.5 lighter than 6.1?
Is 6.5 faster?
Is 6.5 more stable?
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the answer is NO to all three... it's still in BETA so lets just wait for the real thing that will come out on October 6.

Test 6.5 and decide for yourself!
I have 6.5 on my Universal with only 64mb of RAM and I´m quite happy with it, so do not worry and go for it!
If you donñt like it you can always go back

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the answer is NO to all three... it's still in BETA so lets just wait for the real thing that will come out on October 6.
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I'd have to agree with the first part of TheRem's post here... (nothing personal ) But go with orb300's suggestion:
orb3000 said:
Test 6.5 and decide for yourself!
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As I said, I'm running WM6.5 on my little Elf without any trouble.. Sure it's not quite as fast as some of the WM6.1 ROMs around here, but it's definitely faster than the standard ROM that came with the phone nearly a year back! Your Diamond should handle it a lot better with the higher amount of RAM available...
Either way, before you do any of that.... Make sure you install HardSPL first!! That way you'll still be able to flash a working ROM again if you find one that doesn't want to start up.

As somebody esle said, its all matter of personal preference. I think 6.5 is a bit sluggish than 6.1, but i cannot go back to using 6.1.

ai6908 said:
As somebody esle said, its all matter of personal preference. I think 6.5 is a bit sluggish than 6.1, but i cannot go back to using 6.1.
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well, the user interface can be a matter of personal preference.
But the slughiness or not of the underlying system is what counts here.
So far I´m used to TF3D and intend to keep there. There are cookers which are tying Manila on top of 6.1, while others are moving to 6.5. Same happens with Mobile Shell.
So, if you are not going to use the new tytanium UI of 6.5, is it worth the upgrade?
B/R
PS: regarding Beta Status of 6.5......IT should be over now. Thats why i´m questioning now, not when initial betas were leaked.

WinMo6.1 to WinMo6.5, anyone else who may not upgrade?

Well, by the time I work out all the bugs and install all the cabs such as Cleanup, earpiece volume, BT repair, weather locations, advanced config.....
I'm REAL concerned some of these won't work in 6.5 PARTICULARLY the Ear piece volume! One of the the worst stock phones I've ever owned for volume. Quite honestly, if not for the ear piece volume boost cab I would have sent it back.
Anyway, I'm concerned that these "fixes" won't work in 6.5 when "officially" released.
Anyone else considering skipping it? Anyone want to shed some light on whether these cabs work on some of the cooked ROM's? I'm guessing if they do, they should work on the official release.
Anyway, chime in!

I think I'm going to take a "wait and see" approach to the 6.5 upgrade and then decide if it's worth the trouble.

I haven't seen anything compelling that will make me upgrade... If by some miracle HTC includes TF3 2.5, that would make it more interesting, but if not, why bother?
New 6.5 features
New today screen
New start menu
Themes
Lock screen
MSN Widgets
Improved IE
Gesture support/General UI improvements
Marketplace
6.1 equivalent
HTC today Screen
HTC programs tab
Mods to TF3
S2U2
MSN???
Opera/Skyfire
None
Marketplace
My opinion
TF3 2.5 wins, but is N/A
6.1 programs tab wins (Don't like the honeycomb)
Draw (If I am mostly in TF3 anyway, what good are 6.5 themes?)
Draw (Nice features in the new lock screen, but S2U2 is advanced and works well)
Haven't seen much on this so hard to evaluate
Opera/Skyfire by a landslide
Nice to have, but incomp. IMHO. Later builds of 6.5 look much better that what is currently out for the TP2
No advantage obviously.
So all in all it is an incremental upgrade with a few nice to haves, but I would probably end up using the HTC sofware much more than anything WM 6.5 gives me so I will certainly be waiting until all of the bugs are worked out and I get something that I want out of it. Am I missing anything?

Number 4 is one of the things I'm most worried about, I really like S2U2 because it's so useful beyond a simple lock screen, it allows me to take a quick peak at my text messages or emails or missed calls, also I like the feature that allows the wallpaper to change at random from a specified directory. If anyone knows if it is possible to disable to 6.5 lockscreen so I could use S2U2 instead.
Also, I've heard that 6.5 memory handling is better if that's true that might be enough to push me to upgrade.

tstall2 said:
I haven't seen anything compelling that will make me upgrade... If by some miracle HTC includes TF3 2.5, that would make it more interesting, but if not, why bother?
New 6.5 features
New today screen
New start menu
Themes
Lock screen
MSN Widgets
Improved IE
Gesture support/General UI improvements
Marketplace
6.1 equivalent
HTC today Screen
HTC programs tab
Mods to TF3
S2U2
MSN???
Opera/Skyfire
None
Marketplace
My opinion
TF3 2.5 wins, but is N/A
6.1 programs tab wins (Don't like the honeycomb)
Draw (If I am mostly in TF3 anyway, what good are 6.5 themes?)
Draw (Nice features in the new lock screen, but S2U2 is advanced and works well)
Haven't seen much on this so hard to evaluate
Opera/Skyfire by a landslide
Nice to have, but incomp. IMHO. Later builds of 6.5 look much better that what is currently out for the TP2
No advantage obviously.
So all in all it is an incremental upgrade with a few nice to haves, but I would probably end up using the HTC sofware much more than anything WM 6.5 gives me so I will certainly be waiting until all of the bugs are worked out and I get something that I want out of it. Am I missing anything?
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Thanks for the comparative. Problem with us phone junkies(I really mean me unless the shoe fits) is we are constantly searching for the next latest/greatest thing for our devices. I'm sure most of us have trialed the various cooked 6.5 roms on other devices. Most recently tp1 for me. It was fun and interesting to have something on my phone that most everybody else did not. I'm the phone junkie in my group. Again, it was fun to try them out and I'll maybe do it again when hspl is out for cdma, but I hear more issues than goodness coming from those who have already flashed the "official" ROM from HTC. Maybe when the various excellent chefs get ahold of it they can stabilize it a bit more.
I'm very happy with my tp2 running the stock 6.1. When I need something different I just tweak mobile shell 3.5. It can give me a whole new look. The various cabs and tweaks for the ms and the tf3d are very nice. So boredom is not a factor when changes to the ui are at my whim and fingertips.
And I'll surely get flamed for this, but [the titanium interface is one of the biggest pieces o' shats I have ever had the displeasure of installing and whoever in the hell came up with that crap must have surely been on crack.]
(end of titanium pos rant)
Side note: I'm now hearing that along with some stability issues the new 6.5 htc rom has battery life issues. Hmmmm.....whats to like??

I like SPB 3.5 too, but had to abandon it after I found out it knocked out my conference calling and all the shortcuts/icons while in call. Seems those are only supported my manila.

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One of the the worst stock phones I've ever owned for volume. Quite honestly, if not for the ear piece volume boost cab I would have sent it back.
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My earpiece volume is fine, which surprised me since my right ear is the one I use most often and it's hearing-impaired (untreated).
Perhaps instead of complaining about the phone itself you might have your hearing checked or use a bluetooth earpiece with higher volume, since the speaker would be sitting in your ear instead of on it.

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So all in all it is an incremental upgrade with a few nice to haves, but I would probably end up using the HTC sofware much more than anything WM 6.5 gives me so I will certainly be waiting until all of the bugs are worked out and I get something that I want out of it. Am I missing anything?
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Couldn't have said it better myself. With customizing cabs and TF3D, any advantages for me personally from 6.5 have been overwritten. Unless something in the future won't work on 6.1, I may not upgrade at all.

Half way house to remove bloatware
The most significant issue I would like to address would be to eliminate the carriers bloatware from the Ex ROM to free up more memory. If there was a cab to do just that I'd be keen to stay with running the stock ROM as adjusted by Clean Up etc.
Anyone come across anything like that?

Don't know if this cleanup would work for you... but you might want to check it out anyway.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=88640

That is the "CleanUp" I referred to in my post. In my opinion its an absolute "must" if you are running the stock rom (remember to choose the right carrier variant) but it does not attempt to adjust anything in the Ext Rom which i believe is where all the carrier specific software sits - which for the most part you have to pay extra to use.
Thanks for pointing the "clean up" out though!

Some people are talking about voice command working over bluetooth under 6.5 where it does not work under 6.1. I personally have not used this software but I'm interested in it. I suppose I could download it and play with it to see if it adds any value. I believe it is $30 which is way beyond what I am willing to pay for software at this point... Anyone have any experience with it?

The stock Voice Command (Sprint) works fine for calling numbers or people in my contacts and starting programs. It does not work at all for announcing in coming calls and only announces email and text messages through the phones speaker and not the bluetooth headset. That's been my biggest single complaint with 6.1 on this phone. I need it to announce incoming calls in my headset. That alone would most likely be enough for me to install it. Paying $30.00 for something that's already on the phone and most likely won't work anyhow don't make since to me.
If any one has a fix for the caller announce problem, I'd love to hear about it. I can't find a solution except to wait for 6.5.

Just noticed how old this thread is. Since it began I've tried several 6.5 roms and am now pretty much settled back on the 6.1 oem verizon stock rom. I cannot find anything that compares for stability, speed and great ram utilization. For me the forray into the 6.5 rom world was fun, but ultimately a less productive device was my result. To each their own, but IMHO verizon hit a home run with their stock rom this time.

cbreze said:
Just noticed how old this thread is. Since it began I've tried several 6.5 roms and am now pretty much settled back on the 6.1 oem verizon stock rom. I cannot find anything that compares for stability, speed and great ram utilization. For me the forray into the 6.5 rom world was fun, but ultimately a less productive device was my result. To each their own, but IMHO verizon hit a home run with their stock rom this time.
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I agree. I have also tried several 6.5 ROMs including VZW OEM. I keep coming back to the OEM 6.1 ROM because is is more stable, less of a memory hog, and I found that the OEM 6.5 ROM just didn't offer anything new.

Yep
I have to admit, never tried 6.5 ROMs, just kept reading the reviews hoping to seen one without issues. SPB mobile came out with a newer release and all my conference calling and in calling buttons started working again. SPB is great!