I have tried Timolol's WM6.5 and...I forgot the other...and this one was good for awhile but it's getting insanely buggy.
If you like the ROM you're on, and have been on it for a bit, then point me in the direction. I'd really like to use 6.5 but if I can't find a stable one, then I'll have to revert back to 6.1
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Energy Roms
DaG's WM6.5 21518 Clean ROM without MSVC is working very well for me.
Learn how to use UC and proper backup tools and then you can flash away and try as many roms as you want!
This is such an open ended question because many people have personal preference.
with that said. I would recommend NRG's EnergyROM, very stable 6.5, been using the june 30th version with a couple minor cosmetic issues, which i do not even remember what they are.
EnergyROM works also great and stable for me.
My experience was different from most those posting here. I found the 6.5's buggy. Third party calendar programs are particularly problematic (reoccuring events not even showing, to name one problem). I wanted to like the EnergyROM's... really I did... but alas, I went back to 6.1. So far, I'm experiencing stability with NATF v4.7 and liking it. I won't go back to the stock ROM.
fuze2011 said:
I have tried Timolol's WM6.5 and...I forgot the other...and this one was good for awhile but it's getting insanely buggy.
If you like the ROM you're on, and have been on it for a bit, then point me in the direction. I'd really like to use 6.5 but if I can't find a stable one, then I'll have to revert back to 6.1
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Hi, have used PROven_ROM_2.4_WWE_Manila_TP (it's WM6.1) - very good,stable and fast.
Then got Energy 3.0 50409a MSVC Raph (wM6.5) and I'm absolutely happy with it. Didn't encountered any problem so far, NRG28 does his ROM's in top level-very professional!
If you want a clean ROM with very little battery usage go with RRE's or Da_G's for absolutely stock. NRG's uses way too much battery, I enjoy charging once every 2-3 days rather than once a day but to each his own..
The most stable and bug free ROM is the latest HTC official ROM. As Da_G said in other thread, there are serious issues in 6.5, so there is no such thing as stable 6.5 ROM - eventually you will face with unnacceptable bugs, like some of XDA members did...
Like what? I don't see many if any bugs that hinder my day to day activities in 6.5, it runs smoother, it's sleeker and unreleased to the public giving it that extra "shimmer", and the built in scrolling effects are just amazing.
What bugs are you speaking of??
WHAT???
pilgrim011- There is a bug free version of WM?
When did that happen?
I too like the energyroms.
I put my crap battery life down to not having found a decent UK T-mob radio yet rather than the rom
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Like what? I don't see many if any bugs that hinder my day to day activities in 6.5, it runs smoother, it's sleeker and unreleased to the public giving it that extra "shimmer", and the built in scrolling effects are just amazing.
What bugs are you speaking of??
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For example, this is one of 6.5 users:
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I was on the 6 hour flight and decided to play with the phone a bit out of boredom. It was locked up.
No problem soft reset. Continued to lock-up.
No problem, PIM Backup, Hard reset. Then the keyboard would not switch to ABC from 123.
No problem, switch to another SIP. It would hold the change; it kept switching back to the ROM default. No problem, just use the hardware keyboard. A couple of great days in Ireland and it was time to take a quick phone pic to send home. Camera would not work; missed the moment. Fiddled with it a bit, could not get it to work.
No problem, hard reset and try again. Camera works now, keyboard seems to have fixed itself, but phone turns off randomly.
No problem, flash another ROM I have on my storage card. Everything works now except the phone. It has a signal for 5 minutes, then no signal for 5 minutes, over and over.
No problem, switch to manual network selection, could not access the settings.
No problem, hard reset. Works fine now. Ready to take a quick picture at a golf outing where I did not lug my Nikon around. Phone has turned itself off again, missed the moment. Time to surf up some quick directions, IE locks-up.
No Problem, switch to Opera, takes forever to load, my sister already has the directions on her damn iPhone before opera even loads.
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WHAT???
pilgrim011- There is a bug free version of WM?
When did that happen?
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OK, don't get me wrong, there are things that I don't like - low in-call volume, TF3D is sometimes behaving weird etc., but there is always a .cab or .reg to solve these issues, and to tell you the truth, there are no serious issues with HTC ROM, phone is stable and solid as a rock. Of course, Energy ROMs are way faster and more pretty than official ROMs, but I prefer my battery life, stability etc. over speed, beauty and bugginess... And I don't want to flash my phone every 5 days.
Fair enough pilgrim011
Btw has anyone found a work around for the word completion on the keyboard that actually works regardless of wm version???
For what its worth I love/hate wm6.5- I hate that everyone now thinks that we have to have icons because we are too thick to use menus, if I really was that thick I would have purchased an iphone!!!
imaginarynumber said:
Fair enough pilgrim011
Btw has anyone found a work around for the word completion on the keyboard that actually works regardless of wm version???
For what its worth I love/hate wm6.5- I hate that everyone now thinks that we have to have icons because we are too thick to use menus, if I really was that thick I would have purchased an iphone!!!
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I recommend the fastest bestest most stable rom out there.
and I thought the reason we have all those iphone-alikes was so we could be almost cool enough to have an ibone. err.. iphone.
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SORRY I LEFT OUT Q-MOBILE! If you're using it or another unlisted custom ROM, just choose "other" and then post below to specify which ROM you're using.
In fact, even if you choose a specific "chef," please specify WHICH version/variation you're using and WHY.
I'm currently on Dutty #6 - tried #7, but I didn't find it quite as good. Waiting for 8! I might try other people's ROMs at some point, but that's partly why I asked this question - I want to know whose ROMs are most popular and why. Fast? Stable? Clean? Useful?
Dutty's Rom
I am using Dutty's Tilt Rom...uh on my tilt. It seems very stable and I have a bunch of apps running. It's been about 2 weeks and so far so good.
The only problem with loading one of dutty's rom's is that he never sleeps so you get addicted to flashing your Kaiser.: eek:
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I am using Dutty's Tilt Rom...uh on my tilt. It seems very stable and I have a bunch of apps running. It's been about 2 weeks and so far so good.
The only problem with loading one of dutty's rom's is that he never sleeps so you get addicted to flashing your Kaiser.: eek:
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I've got to agree with you... I'm addicted now. But which version are you using?
I'm using Dutty's latest No. 7. For me, his ROMs have been very stable and fast.
XDA Live v1.2. I like the design goal of maximizing storage space and only installing what I want. It's almost like cooking my own rom, but much easier.
I'm using Dutty's No. 6 Lite HTC ROM.
I always want to have a clean, fast and stable ROM. I was running CUSTEL v2.1 first, but decided to turn to Dutty's ROMs because he has LOTS of updates! (I like flashing )
Maybe (if possible) you should add Q-Mobile ROM to the poll! I looks like an interesting ROM.
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Maybe (if possible) you should add Q-Mobile ROM to the poll!
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Dangit - won't let me change it. I just noticed that myself. I guess people will have to choose "other" and type it in. I'd hate to start the poll over. :-/ Can a mod step in and help out?
Sorry Q!!!
Dutty's ATT touchflow ROM.
Full featured, has many of the extras already built in, minus that AT&T bloat crap. It runs very well for me.
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Dangit - won't let me change it. I just noticed that myself. I guess people will have to choose "other" and type it in. I'd hate to start the poll over. :-/ Can a mod step in and help out?
Sorry Q!!!
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No problem, besides...having just posted it last night the adoption rate would take a while anyway--and thats assuming people like it.
Was using Dutty's Tilt-Touchflo Beta but I ran into some issues and now I'm trying out Q's. Looks good so far, fast, stable.
XDA-Live 1.2 for me. It's very stable, everything works like it's supposed to, and I like how streamlined and fast it is. I wanted an ATT Tilt specific ROM, and of those choices, this one works the smoothest. I like to be able to customize what apps are on there too.
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Maybe (if possible) you should add Q-Mobile ROM to the poll! I looks like an interesting ROM.
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Agreed. This is my current cooked ROM of choice after using 5 superb ROMS. Check it out. Simple, lightweight, fast and stable (for at least a full day of use)
Hat's off to all the chefs!
Currently using Dutty Touchflo 2 final non tilt edition on my tilt..... its the best for me till now... gave the no. 6 touchflo rom a try, but it was severely crippling my Tilt with random occasional freezing.... I am very happy with Touchflo 2.... its uber-fast and I simply love its freaky-fast responsiveness.....
i am using Helmi_C since day one, tried different ROM but i ended up going back, it's old, but it's quick, fast and big storage! most of all, it's quite stable and no problem whatsoever!
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i am using Helmi_C since day one, tried different ROM but i ended up going back, it's old, but it's quick, fast and big storage! most of all, it's quite stable and no problem whatsoever!
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I should have agreed with you a few weeks ago. Helmi_c had a very nice and stable ROM for a long time.
I've used Dutty's ROMs and CUSTEL ROMS but I still think Helmi_C had the best ROM for a long time.
Today I flashed Q-Mobile 1.0 ROM and I gives me the "Helmi_C" feeling!
It's clean, fast and seems to be stable! I think I'll stick with this one. (At least for a couple of days )
XDA Live 1.2
So far so good with this ROM. I didn't want to screw around with a non-at&t variant because I'm a noob. I loaded some SPB software and iGO for GPS and it's running great. There's loads of storage available since the ROM is smaller.
As far as stability goes, it works well enough when I reset every couple of days. Sometimes there are random freezes when it is unresponsive but these have gone down a bit since I figured out installing everything to the device works best. I had one SOD a couple nights ago when screwing around with finger-friendly friends but only that once. For now I am just going to use the stock contact supplemented with SPB contacts on Today.
The reason I plan on sticking with this ROM is that I figure Kyphur has a good chance of getting it completely stable easier than a ROM with a bunch of programs. It's already blazing fast and the radio version works well for me so far.
Q-Mobile 1.0 here - I've tried every rom, and each has its own strengths and weaknesses. Q-Mobile just seems to fit nicely in with what I expect the device to do, and how I think it should look. Fast, stable, no bugs that I've found, and a nice set of default apps.
I hate to reply to this one since it should be up to you to read up on it and try it out. But then again you want instant gratification so here DUTTY's rom no.6 or later. Why? Because no one else has put forth more time and effort into releasing these roms than he has and not to leave out his beta tester community too.
I'm not sure what it is, but I got that weird freezing on every rom I tried out. Right now, I'm using Alex cook your own rom and that is causing freezing, too. Any roms out there that don't have that freezing problem? I think its a normal thing cause the base rom.
I would like to hear some stories from Tilt owners who have installed any of the WM6.1 ROMs. Good, bad, fugly!?!
I installed schaps and i cant get MMS Tried the official so they say one. Also same thing
error synchronizing.....
I installed Alex's on my Tilt. I must say it's my favorite ROM I've used so far. MUCH faster (apparently directdraw works!? Not sure if it's a hack or it works now), threaded SMS is awesome, and overall I think it's great.
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I installed Alex's on my Tilt. I must say it's my favorite ROM I've used so far. MUCH faster (apparently directdraw works!? Not sure if it's a hack or it works now), threaded SMS is awesome, and overall I think it's great.
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What radio did you install on it and do you have the sound issue?
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What radio did you install on it and do you have the sound issue?
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His ROM comes with a Radio. TCPMP doesn't work though. Unless you go to ROM 3.02.405.0
No sound issues with that radio.
Honestly I don't think I updated the radio, I think Alex's rom came with the new radio. It's now the 1.64.06.04 radio. I was going to upgrade it to this anyway. I have zero issues with it at all. Voice is clear, signal is great and battery drain is less than before (could just be the new WM, though).
I have to admit to something, although he in not often on this site, Schaps ROM worked for me the best. I am still using the old radio 12.17 with Schaps beta 6.1. I cleaned some of the issues and installed few programs and the battery life is the best. maybe demographics or where you live in relationship to the service source has some to do with battery consumption....
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I have to admit to something, although he in not often on this site, Schaps ROM worked for me the best. I am still using the old radio 12.17 with Schaps beta 6.1. I cleaned some of the issues and installed few programs and the battery life is the best. maybe demographics or where you live in relationship to the service source has some to do with battery consumption....
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Well, of course if your signal is worse, the chip has to work harder (i.e. more energy) to keep your signal. The rest has to do with ROMs and/or software telling it things like how frequently to poll for calls and things of that sort.
But it seems that WM6.1 does have better battery life (less drain). I have the new radio rom so I can't control for that, though.
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I have to admit to something, although he in not often on this site, Schaps ROM worked for me the best. I am still using the old radio 12.17 with Schaps beta 6.1. I cleaned some of the issues and installed few programs and the battery life is the best. maybe demographics or where you live in relationship to the service source has some to do with battery consumption....
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I also noticed battery life is excellent with that version of the Chinese hacked BETA version build. Dutty is using the same one and the battery life is quite astounding!
The only issue I've had with non-ATT based ROMs is most don't seem to like Over-the-Air Activesync/Direct Push for some reason. They will connect fine to the server but don't consistently maintain a connection full time. Sometime I'll check the Activesync and it won't be connect and have the last successful connected date/time shown.
With the ATT based ROMs it always shows connected when I check Activesync on the device.
Other than that I've only had the standard common problems already reported like the soft-reset issue.
What about 14.09 any issues with WiMo 6.1?
I think DCS's rom has solved the soft-reset problem.
I'm on Schap's 4.31 now with 12.17 radio. Will do the upgrade soon. Only concern is do I need to install both the rom and radio at one go or can I install the os first then pick the radio afterwards?
I'm running Alex's Beta on mine.
I've been on it since yesterday, and killed my battery twice now playing with it. I've not noticed the delay in button pressing that was in all the 6.0 roms I tried.
The radio acts the same as the last radio I had (see sig)... but then I've not gone outside a 100 yard radius since I flashed the phone.
Overall, it definately seems faster to me.
As for battery.... meh. I've been using the crap outta the phone. Bluetooth calls, Bluetooth transfers, internet (over the network), wifi, games, setting the phone up, cab installs, you name it. Tomorrow I might get a better handle on how the battery acts since it will be a normal workday for me, and I'll have less time to play with it.
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I installed Alex's on my Tilt. I must say it's my favorite ROM I've used so far. MUCH faster (apparently directdraw works!? Not sure if it's a hack or it works now), threaded SMS is awesome, and overall I think it's great.
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Do you have a link to this ROM?
grizzley said:
Do you have a link to this ROM?
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Walla
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WYLTSQYP
You are a quick MF!!!!!
Any link to the thread about the ROM? I've tried several in the past 24 hours and so far, none are worth upgrading to IMO.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex%27s%20ROMs#WMx20.6x2e.1
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http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex%27s%20ROMs#WMx20.6x2e.1
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Thanks..... looks like it is still a tad early to flash to this ROM.
meh. If you don't like it, flash back. What do you have to lose?
I did it. Got rid of the dang random hesitation when pressing a button. For that, I'm keeping it, until the next latest and greatest comes.
Sure, there are some issues. But what ROM doesn't have things you'd like to change? So you gotta hit the SR button twice to soft reset. Once you get it set up, its not like you gotta SR all the time. We're beyond 2003SE here....
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We're beyond 2003SE here....
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I agree with you.... but we are also beyond 6.0 as well
Every wm6.1 rom I flash, have the same result: lag! (I DO a hard reset after each new rom). Tried Dutty's, orginal HTC's, Alex, etc, etc.
Sometimes wm is running smoothly for a while, but most of the time the lag is terrible, sometimes the delay is even more then 5 seconds!
Anyone have the same experience (and more important: anyone who knows how to fix this)?
Very strange... I have not had any issues so far and I have flashed every WM 6.1 rom that has been posted thus far. What radio version are you running with the WM 6.1 builds?
Tried all tree radio's. Never had problems with sound, camera, gps, but every time 'the lag is back'.
Is it possible it has something to do with a combi of pagepool and cache-settings?
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Every wm6.1 rom I flash, have the same result: lag! (I DO a hard reset after each new rom). Tried Dutty's, orginal HTC's, Alex, etc, etc.
Sometimes wm is running smoothly for a while, but most of the time the lag is terrible, sometimes the delay is even more then 5 seconds!
Anyone have the same experience (and more important: anyone who knows how to fix this)?
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Try running Alex's 1.62 AT&T build. That thing is pretty freaking fast Got a great SPB benchmarking score of 436 according to my testing.
Is the 1.62 rom WM6.1?
Can I use an ATT Tilt rom on a non ATT phone (Dutch MDA Vario III Tmobile)? Never tried that, because of all the warnings about ATT and non ATT phones/radio's/etc.
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Is the 1.62 rom WM6.1?
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No it is not. But it does have a lot of updated drivers & Bluetooth fixes. Check the official post regarding this.
It was running very smoothly for me, even the non cooked one.
This ROM was actually released on HTC's website as an official update to the Tilts.
I agree, it is so laggy i went to Alex's 6.1 because he does great work but i did notice it was very slow and would lock up most of the time. i tried all the radio's same issue even tried just clearing out my phone thinking it was a program causing a conflict and same issue. i ended up going back to Alex's 6.0ROM and all is good in the hood once again
btw if you real this ALEX you rock
i hope that this is not some "FLUKE" bug that happens to a small amount of people and wont get reviewed by the higher powers as a issue.
aartjanm said:
Every wm6.1 rom I flash, have the same result: lag! (I DO a hard reset after each new rom). Tried Dutty's, orginal HTC's, Alex, etc, etc.
Sometimes wm is running smoothly for a while, but most of the time the lag is terrible, sometimes the delay is even more then 5 seconds!
Anyone have the same experience (and more important: anyone who knows how to fix this)?
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Lagging? Are you comparing that lag to original ATT roms or one of Dutty's/Sleuth/cooked roms? compared to dualtouch v4(dutty), ive found some lag as well, but not compared to ATT's, blazing compared to ATT...
If you've try many roms already? Can I ask are you using a task manager?
Tweaks; cooked roms are already tweak to better suit them.
I am using Dutty's 6.1 Official, and I love it to death. I had used his beta and it had a lot of bugs and was laggy so I had to revert back, however his new rom is gorgeous (THANKS DUTTY), it is very smooth and other than not being able to soft reset through the power switch, there is no lag and I am using radio 1.58.26.20
Oh its a tilt
I agree, I tried three 6.1 ROMs including the latest Dutty's ROM which I am currently on... and they all lag...
Also notice a problem when I go to the call logs screen and press the red endkey button to go to the home
thanks for this thread. I was considering flashing, but after this I'll stick to my stock rom till official upgrade. I am on wm6 t-mob uk and after tweaks I cannot see the reason to flash anything else anyway. the device is rock solid and snappy enough.
cheers
bro
stay out of the kitchen...
i dont know why a thread like this is created... utter nonsense if you ask me. ive only noticed all positive changes with wm6.1 with no lag... in fact... my video is exceptionally faster on the newer roms. especially sleuth or duttys. a lot of these chefs pour their heart into these meals... if you cant enjoy them... too bad, cause some of us love what they do and appreciate how much more awesome our devices are with each new build. keep up the good work guys... youre heading in the right direction... there is LESS lag... considerably
bronx said:
thanks for this thread. I was considering flashing, but after this I'll stick to my stock rom till official upgrade. I am on wm6 t-mob uk and after tweaks I cannot see the reason to flash anything else anyway. the device is rock solid and snappy enough.
cheers
bro
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I can not agree more. the stock rom I have, WWE Tytn II , equipped with tons and tons of cabs I found here is stable at 99.9 %. Though Dutties Rom gives an almost 1800 VSbenchmark and mine only 1392, I do not complain.
Videoclips lag, though I found out that theyd DO play better when using the "X" bottom before, stopping all open applications.
I am eager to flash, but only when a guaranteed stable and quick cooked 6.1 ROM will offer me further a fuzz-free environment.
EDIT 1: No, I have no lag what so ever.
EDIT 2: I owe a lot of respect for all chefs spending plenty of hours on their work (hobby?) helping this community. I just wait for the one who might have "the ultimate ROM" .Fair no?
(i am playing with the 3D.dll 's further on meawhile hehe)
Keyboard\Screen lag
I promise that lag will be gone if you flash mine
Commercial for myself but I fixed the screen\keyboard lag
My base is latest Vodafone 6.1 ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366014
Cheers,
Leo
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i dont know why a thread like this is created... utter nonsense if you ask me. ive only noticed all positive changes with wm6.1 with no lag... in fact... my video is exceptionally faster on the newer roms. especially sleuth or duttys. a lot of these chefs pour their heart into these meals... if you cant enjoy them... too bad, cause some of us love what they do and appreciate how much more awesome our devices are with each new build. keep up the good work guys... youre heading in the right direction... there is LESS lag... considerably
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well, there is a reason why people are complaining: all WM6.1 ROMS (till now) are considerably slower than the recent cooked WM6.0 ROMS.
At least according to "objective" tests like SPB Benchmark and VS Benchmark the WM6.1 still can't catch up the WM6.0's..
So the feeling of lagginess (does this word exist?) is understandable.
But our cooks are working so only a matter of time???.
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Lagging? Are you comparing that lag to original ATT roms or one of Dutty's/Sleuth/cooked roms? compared to dualtouch v4(dutty), ive found some lag as well, but not compared to ATT's, blazing compared to ATT...
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Compared to wm6 roms. They are really fast, but all wm6.1 roms I tried aren't....
Michaelr219 said:
i dont know why a thread like this is created... utter nonsense if you ask me. ive only noticed all positive changes with wm6.1 with no lag... in fact... my video is exceptionally faster on the newer roms. especially sleuth or duttys. a lot of these chefs pour their heart into these meals... if you cant enjoy them... too bad, cause some of us love what they do and appreciate how much more awesome our devices are with each new build. keep up the good work guys... youre heading in the right direction... there is LESS lag... considerably
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Maybe utter nonsense for your device, so be happy with THAT in stead of putting words in somebodies mouth.... On my device there IS lag... and I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK OF ALL THE CHEFS! Threads like this have the intension of helping people with problems with upgrading.
Having said that.... all others: thanx for the advice sofar. Any suggestions on pagepool & cache settings fixing the lagproblem on some devices are welcome And for all the chefs I'm gonna use the positive words of Michaelr219: keep up the good work!!!
hello again.
sorry if it's going to be an offtop, but after reading Your posts some things have crossed my mind.
back in the days when I was quite happy owner of vario II (wm 5 out of the box) exciting thing have happened. when I was browsing through these forums I've spotted a wm6 rom for my device. that was something. just like jumping from w95 to xp on pc. almost everything seemed to be different. I was using black flavour (best regards jasjamming wherever You are now Mate) with various versions. flashing addiction was quite understandable then, as we were improving our devices A LOT.
now with vario III I am wondering why people are trying hard to fix things that are not broken? I am not bashing anyone's work, I have a lot of love for all the so called cooks for their free contribution, but I don't understand what is this fuss all about.
as I read more and more I learn, that 6.1 is not that great at all. ppl are asking how to switch off threaded sms, pie is still unusable(ish) and now the info that roms are slower than 6.
so can please guy who said to stay out explain to me what's so good with those 6.1 that I cannot have with 6? I am not flaming or whatever, maybe I just lost something while diggin' through all those threads.
I also said, that imo it's not a bad idea to hold on for offcial roms given official way, as they are tend to be more solid and complete.
just my five cents
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bro
Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.
Same here
I have experienced the same mate. I have tried God knows how many 6.1s and besides, they are looking great and neat (thanks to our brilliant chefs here), i didn't see any improvement on my tilt, just opposite. I have experienced annoying non responsive display, very slow response time, and there was a time when I had to press display several times before I was able to run anything on the phone... let alone the GPS.
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11 and I have to say that my Tilt has never been faster and more stabile. Moreover, GPS signal is much better and even works when I put kaiser near the window. It is cloudy and rainy here in Bosnia now, yet it took only 15sec before it received signal.
So, I have to say that this one works better for me.
Lately I too have had more issues that I wish to have. Just seems there is no perfect, or even close mix of ROM/Software that is good enough to be a daily use type. Not sure if the chefs are just over-doing or we just have a bad mix of software at this time. I do hope the chefs continue to work on a better ROM, I do know they try hard and should be commended for their efforts, but right now I may move back to an older version that just worked better. Maybe 6.0, but not quite sure yet.
This is nothing new..many have reverted back to 6.0. But for what its worth, I never have to wait longer than 45 seconds in the U.S. using the emo radio inside my car rain or shine.
After receiving a warranty replacement for my Kaiser, I'm now using the stock T-mobile UK rom, and it's far better than any WM6.1 cooked rom + radio that I've tried when it comes to GPS.
However, the battery life is probably not quite as good. The unit is just as fast as with any of the cooked roms I've tried.
I can't really think of any tangible benefits from using cooked roms, as this stock WM6 rom works well, and I can add any functionality I need by installing the right programs.
I use PointUI, so I would not benefit from the significant improvements to the WM gui that the cooks have produced.
However, I enjoy trying out new roms and seeing what the cooks come up with, so I may still do it anyway, just for the fun of it!
you are absolutely right and now i am going to downgrade to 6.0
GPS is nice to have on my phone but if I truly needed GPS I would have bought a truly more reliable (read: GPS Specific) device.
If I need directions I can still use Google Maps to plot the turns, on my own - like in the old days. *snicker*
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Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11
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BTW: What version of HardSPL are you using?
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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Sorry, duh, I guess we aren't talking about the development of ROMS, eh?
why
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Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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... perhaps because it considers WM6.1 ROM development in the context of the WM6 platform for the Kaiser.
@tabashir --> Threaded SMS use PocketCM. I would be interested in a free replacement to the WM6.1 threaded SMS but http://www.pocketcm.com/index.php does not contain any details of this. Can you throw some light on this. Thx
[Edit - OK found threaded SMS using pocket CM thanks - will check it out thanks]
Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!
How's the video playback and game/ui performance on the stock 6.0?
a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on, another one is that when some major changes come in 6.1 i will not have major issues with upgrading my apps mms/sms etc... to the new ROM and not have to worry about radio's and hardspl as i would be already running it..
besides you guys forget, your running windows... i always reboot my phone and a good reason is because i change batteries so every 1-3days it will be rebooted, it mixes most of the small issues.
As far as GPS its always been the same, i havent ever bothered with GPS to be there for me, its just to aid me, i do use google maps which helps i never have used GPS to tell me were to drive i think that is insane, nor will i ever do it, i like to know exactly were to go and what my options are
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Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.
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Try the newer rom(s) with manilla 2D (hyperdragon III is currently the only one publicly available). Newer is better.
I too switched to 6.0
tabashir said:
Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!
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I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?
To be honest, 6.0 is much stable and less problematic so far compare to 6.1.
Most of the 6.1 problems (e.g. cleartype landscape) have some workaround solutions. But problem like the famous Activesync 86000107 still doesn't have any solution yet.
For me, the only advantage of 6.1 is much faster startup time, and overall system performance.
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a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on
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The 2D drivers could be a real benefit, but there's no advantage for me or most people having the 3D drivers installed at the moment.
I'll probably give Hyperdragon with TouchFlo 2D a go, but I would not be suprised if I end up sticking pointUI on it and have the exact same functionality and aesthetics as the stock rom. I hope I'm wrong!
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I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?
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I am done with problem 86000107, I want to go back to WM 6.0, Where did you find the official WM 6.0 ROM World wide English, and did you need to install a HardSPL or not ????
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Danny K.
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Now we're talking little bout religion here, LoL.
There was times at beginning of WM6.1 issuance that with so many problems came with it i sometimes convert back to stock HTC WM6, or Schaps 4.30 (most good looking and well done cooked WM6 i tried). I remember it was only before July i keep converting back. Yett most of the time i did it only to get the feeling of what's right before and try to 'port' (find solution) the great feelings to the newer WM6.1.
Nowadays, WM6.1 already much familiarized by the chefs here and gained much tweaks. On a proper hand, it does make big difference in performance. My Kaiser is now running full fledged without any issues, it even have landscape cleartype enabled now for my liking (yet i don't do threaded sms). Faster, more stable, less power hungry, quicker gps fix, more instant screen rotation, than before.
Wow, what happened? It's because the wonder of this community, that's why. AFAIK, i have used several PDA and the conclusion is still the same: left to itself, Microsoft's (MS) product does sux big time. Without this community it will dragging its own feet to its graveyard. I think HTC at least a bit better than MS in adapting to market's demand (i truly belief many HTC engineers are member of this forum, much more than MS's). Cuz I saw some pattern in behaviour here.
Bottomline, WM6.1 is indeed much more problematic than WM6. Yet WM6 was also much more problematic than WM5, or 2003SE!
That's the way MS works, man, everytime they issue newer OS they try to include more functionalities, features, etc, while at the same time introducing more bugs than before. For example, who use windows vista here, care to share your experience with it? Cuz I don't. I even use winXP only after SP2 issued.
Never trust Micro$oft product! Just trust the power of users and communities who expanding it! Now my religion is not WM6.1, but rather, XDA-Devs. So in case next time XDA-Devs decided they have enough with WM,then i may join the convert to Android. Amen.
I was super excited to hear that the Fuze was coming out for AT&T since I have been waiting for the TouchPro for a long time. Finally my local AT&T store got a couple in stock so I went to go take it for a test drive after reading/watching all the reviews I could find.
I'm thoroughly disappointed. I am trying to upgrade from my 8125 and i was thinking that it would be a major improvement. The Fuze is slower than my 8125, how is this possible? Is touchflow3D the new vista? The only thing that even keeps me remotely interested is the video out capability.
I'm not sure if I should be mad at HTC since they only make the hardware or microsoft since they make the bulky and outdated windows mobile software. Now I have to wait another year to see what hits the market. I'm a big fan of HTC and WinMo but I think someone needs to step it up a bit. IPhone isn't that big of a threat but after playing with the Android OS on the G1 I can definitely say that it is worthy to be called a next-gen OS.
Throw the Android OS on the Fuze and then we can call it a day.
I think it is our fault for constantly spending $500 on phones that provide inferior performance. Ok the rant and rave is over
Mod Edit: Combined about 10 threads with various minor complaints about the fuze, please try to keep general complaint type comments to this thread.
I had issues that day I bought my Fuze. I was really worried that it was a dog as it was slow and using the screen was spotty. The two things I did to change my mind were to use my finger tip instead of finger nail to navigate the screen and intall the TF3D Configuration tool and apply the speed tweaks. After that it runs like lighting... I upgraded from the 8525...
turn off TF3d and re-evaluate the speed.
is the slowness TF or WM
While not as snappy as my Tilt, I don't think its the TF3D app. I can turn it off and use it like a normal mobile device. I noticed finger swipes works better than my Tilt.
People need to remember this is NOT an Iphone or a G1. Those use a different screen technology. Perfect for fingers, really bad for accuracy. Just remember on a winMobile device, swiping with a bit a pressure will work fine. If you want accuracy like clicking on a small box or drawing something (Lets seee iphone or G1) freehand, use the stylus.
Fuze bonus over that of the Tilt: Hi-Resolution screen, more keys on the keyboard, camera light, other things too, but thats the main thing. I liked.
And the G1 ain't all its cracked up to be. My friend has it. He's not happy. He moved from a BB though. Doesn't even have a IM client yet that works full time.
Man, my Fuse (with the TF3D running) is at worst just as fast as my 8525
Flash a rom, take out the bloatware from att. Its fast as ****
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Flash a rom, take out the bloatware from att. Its fast as ****
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I agree. Its MUCH, MUCH faster than my Tilt was after I flashed NotATreoFan's ROM. He basically made a clean version of the stock ATT ROM.
The stock ROM is crap and is bloated and runs slow and lags.
I also made some changes in the AdvancedConfig tool. I changed the finger pressure and sensitivity to Normal instead of the defaults.
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Flash a rom, take out the bloatware from att. Its fast as ****
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This!
Flash your Fuze
I was on the fence about flashing my Fuze... but finally put ROMeOS 1.40 and, like everyone else has said, its night and day.
Just curious what what you're doing that the 8125 could perform better?
sure it is slow. thanks to AT&T bloatware.
I have not flashed a new ROM yet, but just by getting rid of the bloatware and doing the TF3D performance tweaks, the HSPDA tweak, the remapping the PTT button, and i am a happy camper already.
I love the size and the screen resolution. The touch screen TF3D is a huge improvement on my Tilt's Manilla 2D. And once you get stuff like Gyrator 2 on it (to use the G-sensor in ANY app, not just Opera and HTC Album), it really blows my old phone away.
Slowness, GPS lags, network restrictions, bloatware are all easily fixable - well, thats why we love XDA-Devs
the phone is only as good as the user makes it. Try tweaking it and you'll love it like the rest of us~
And trust me, you don't want android YET, so many bugs and flaws with that OS right now. Get yourself a g1 and you'll see why.
Good luck playing with your fuze!
My TF feels kinda fast, no lag whatsoever.
Stock ROM, nothing tampered with except Diamond Background Changer...
I did do a hard reset after the first 4 hours with the phone though, just to avoid any problems (saw it on the Sprint TP forums).
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sure it is slow. thanks to AT&T bloatware.
I have not flashed a new ROM yet, but just by getting rid of the bloatware and doing the TF3D performance tweaks, the HSPDA tweak, the remapping the PTT button, and i am a happy camper already.
I love the size and the screen resolution. The touch screen TF3D is a huge improvement on my Tilt's Manilla 2D. And once you get stuff like Gyrator 2 on it (to use the G-sensor in ANY app, not just Opera and HTC Album), it really blows my old phone away.
Slowness, GPS lags, network restrictions, bloatware are all easily fixable - well, thats why we love XDA-Devs [/HUOTE]
Hi there....might I ask exactly how you removed the "bloat ware" from the Fuze? I would like to remove a bunch of it myself....thanks!
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XDA to the rescue as always
Thanks for all your comments and I see and appreciate your respective arguments.
baboola - this is very true that we are here because we unhappy with the out-of-the-box performance of our phones
kcchen - 8125 is running touchflo 2d and runs like a champ compared to Fuze with touchflo 3d. I'm guessing this would be the same on the 8525 and 9525 (Tilt)
everyone - thanks for making XDA an awesome expeirience
I guess as usual flashing is the only way to make the necessary improvement. I wasn't really thinking about the AT&T bloatware.
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Thanks for all your comments and I see and appreciate your respective arguments.
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I guess as usual flashing is the only way to make the necessary improvement. I wasn't really thinking about the AT&T bloatware.
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Good luck! Do the HardSPL and get one of the page pool optimized ROMs. I use the ROMeOS 1.40 which is a dramatic performance improvement... Kevlar-Source has a repository of other ROMs with the page pool hex set to 0. Do a search in the Rapheal ROM development to find Kevlar's repository.
Good luck!
Bloatware...I don't get all your complaints!
It's not like all that crap is hogging RAM. So what's the difference between whacking it and going through the steps to make everything work again - and just leaving it alone?
I use my Fuze with a custom ROM. Faster than the Tilt or the 8125 I had before. I had the ATT ROM for 2 days until I just had too many issues. The customer ROM is much better. Still some minor issues but nothing major.
Still not sure if I like the design of the up/down/left/right. Half the time I press right, I hit the back button.
Think I'm gonna return my Fuze
I've been playing with it since the day before launch, haven't done any custom ROM's so it's all stock...but I don't like it. I mean it's sexy--I love the device itself--but AT&T's software eats it *bad*. At times it feels slower than my Wizard running 6.1, and it's way, way, WAY less stable. The thing is locking up constantly...it's just a pain in the ass.
So I guess that's it. Anyone else disappointed in the software load they've given or had stability problems with the device?
I had a lot of lag with it, but every since my friend flashed it and had all the AT&T stuff taken out, it's been running faster and its pretty stable.
I've been thinking of doing that as well, I am just a bit torn because I'm not sure the ROM development is really mature yet for this particular phone. Also I tend to think this one might be having hardware issues given how much it locks up. Maybe I'll just have them exchange it for another one.