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Is newer better?

Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.

Same here
I have experienced the same mate. I have tried God knows how many 6.1s and besides, they are looking great and neat (thanks to our brilliant chefs here), i didn't see any improvement on my tilt, just opposite. I have experienced annoying non responsive display, very slow response time, and there was a time when I had to press display several times before I was able to run anything on the phone... let alone the GPS.
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11 and I have to say that my Tilt has never been faster and more stabile. Moreover, GPS signal is much better and even works when I put kaiser near the window. It is cloudy and rainy here in Bosnia now, yet it took only 15sec before it received signal.
So, I have to say that this one works better for me.

Lately I too have had more issues that I wish to have. Just seems there is no perfect, or even close mix of ROM/Software that is good enough to be a daily use type. Not sure if the chefs are just over-doing or we just have a bad mix of software at this time. I do hope the chefs continue to work on a better ROM, I do know they try hard and should be commended for their efforts, but right now I may move back to an older version that just worked better. Maybe 6.0, but not quite sure yet.

This is nothing new..many have reverted back to 6.0. But for what its worth, I never have to wait longer than 45 seconds in the U.S. using the emo radio inside my car rain or shine.

After receiving a warranty replacement for my Kaiser, I'm now using the stock T-mobile UK rom, and it's far better than any WM6.1 cooked rom + radio that I've tried when it comes to GPS.
However, the battery life is probably not quite as good. The unit is just as fast as with any of the cooked roms I've tried.
I can't really think of any tangible benefits from using cooked roms, as this stock WM6 rom works well, and I can add any functionality I need by installing the right programs.
I use PointUI, so I would not benefit from the significant improvements to the WM gui that the cooks have produced.
However, I enjoy trying out new roms and seeing what the cooks come up with, so I may still do it anyway, just for the fun of it!

you are absolutely right and now i am going to downgrade to 6.0

GPS is nice to have on my phone but if I truly needed GPS I would have bought a truly more reliable (read: GPS Specific) device.
If I need directions I can still use Google Maps to plot the turns, on my own - like in the old days. *snicker*

TasoM said:
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11
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BTW: What version of HardSPL are you using?

Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.

JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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Sorry, duh, I guess we aren't talking about the development of ROMS, eh?

why
JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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... perhaps because it considers WM6.1 ROM development in the context of the WM6 platform for the Kaiser.
@tabashir --> Threaded SMS use PocketCM. I would be interested in a free replacement to the WM6.1 threaded SMS but http://www.pocketcm.com/index.php does not contain any details of this. Can you throw some light on this. Thx
[Edit - OK found threaded SMS using pocket CM thanks - will check it out thanks]

Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!

How's the video playback and game/ui performance on the stock 6.0?

a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on, another one is that when some major changes come in 6.1 i will not have major issues with upgrading my apps mms/sms etc... to the new ROM and not have to worry about radio's and hardspl as i would be already running it..
besides you guys forget, your running windows... i always reboot my phone and a good reason is because i change batteries so every 1-3days it will be rebooted, it mixes most of the small issues.
As far as GPS its always been the same, i havent ever bothered with GPS to be there for me, its just to aid me, i do use google maps which helps i never have used GPS to tell me were to drive i think that is insane, nor will i ever do it, i like to know exactly were to go and what my options are

tabashir said:
Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.
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Try the newer rom(s) with manilla 2D (hyperdragon III is currently the only one publicly available). Newer is better.

I too switched to 6.0
tabashir said:
Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!
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I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?

To be honest, 6.0 is much stable and less problematic so far compare to 6.1.
Most of the 6.1 problems (e.g. cleartype landscape) have some workaround solutions. But problem like the famous Activesync 86000107 still doesn't have any solution yet.
For me, the only advantage of 6.1 is much faster startup time, and overall system performance.

drutort said:
a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on
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The 2D drivers could be a real benefit, but there's no advantage for me or most people having the 3D drivers installed at the moment.
I'll probably give Hyperdragon with TouchFlo 2D a go, but I would not be suprised if I end up sticking pointUI on it and have the exact same functionality and aesthetics as the stock rom. I hope I'm wrong!

kolibrik said:
I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?
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I am done with problem 86000107, I want to go back to WM 6.0, Where did you find the official WM 6.0 ROM World wide English, and did you need to install a HardSPL or not ????
Thanks
Danny K.
[email protected]

Now we're talking little bout religion here, LoL.
There was times at beginning of WM6.1 issuance that with so many problems came with it i sometimes convert back to stock HTC WM6, or Schaps 4.30 (most good looking and well done cooked WM6 i tried). I remember it was only before July i keep converting back. Yett most of the time i did it only to get the feeling of what's right before and try to 'port' (find solution) the great feelings to the newer WM6.1.
Nowadays, WM6.1 already much familiarized by the chefs here and gained much tweaks. On a proper hand, it does make big difference in performance. My Kaiser is now running full fledged without any issues, it even have landscape cleartype enabled now for my liking (yet i don't do threaded sms). Faster, more stable, less power hungry, quicker gps fix, more instant screen rotation, than before.
Wow, what happened? It's because the wonder of this community, that's why. AFAIK, i have used several PDA and the conclusion is still the same: left to itself, Microsoft's (MS) product does sux big time. Without this community it will dragging its own feet to its graveyard. I think HTC at least a bit better than MS in adapting to market's demand (i truly belief many HTC engineers are member of this forum, much more than MS's). Cuz I saw some pattern in behaviour here.
Bottomline, WM6.1 is indeed much more problematic than WM6. Yet WM6 was also much more problematic than WM5, or 2003SE!
That's the way MS works, man, everytime they issue newer OS they try to include more functionalities, features, etc, while at the same time introducing more bugs than before. For example, who use windows vista here, care to share your experience with it? Cuz I don't. I even use winXP only after SP2 issued.
Never trust Micro$oft product! Just trust the power of users and communities who expanding it! Now my religion is not WM6.1, but rather, XDA-Devs. So in case next time XDA-Devs decided they have enough with WM,then i may join the convert to Android. Amen.

Windows Mobile 6 vs. Windows Mobile 6.1

I know this has been posted close to a million times, but I really think that it deserves a poll and a new thread. Mods, if you disagree with me, please close or delete this thread. I will probably get flamed for even starting this, but I can live with it.
OK, here's the situation:
As very few of you know, I am working very hard on my next ROM release. I have come to a point to actually consider starting over and using Windows Mobile 6, which I have NEVER had any bugs with, unlike Windows Mobile 6.1.
So, let's say that:
1. I cooked in threaded SMS (possible)
2. I somewhat made startup time speedier (disabling the startup animation)
Here's the big question:
Would you use a Windows Mobile 6 ROM?
I look forward to your feedback

I'm one of those people who always wants the newest (which isn't good at times). I probably would not go back to WM6. I do agree that it was less buggier and all, but it's just a bit outdated in my book.
Great work on the new ROM

WM6.1 gives me a better battery life, which is my biggest +

If you cook in M2D, I will use it. I may not stay with it for a long time, but I will at least give it a try.
I just hate that long ass install process with 39 cabs and 700 soft resets.

ashuzzz said:
WM6.1 gives me a better battery life, which is my biggest +
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Didn't realize that for my Tilt. I had a defective battery and it would run out pretty fast so i got a replacement from ATT and the battery has been perfect ever since. Would be nice to see a benchmark to compare battery life under the same circumstances on both OSs.

my vote for WM6.0

I would seriously consider going back. I do think I get better battery life with 6.1, but yeah, you are right....lots of random, odd issues with 6.1.
I would give it a whirl!

WM6.1 has quite few nice enhancements to WM6, so my answer to your poll (where is the poll?) is probably no, I wouldn't "go back" to WM6.
IMHO, and in my experience, most of the bugs in WM6.1 anyways come with other software (that was actually designed for WM6, like some HTC apps).
Battery life is better with WM6.1, no doubt (all users of the devices that got WM6.1 facelift said that). Thats a major fact to consider.
Having said that: if you would cook a WM 2003 SE for Kaiser, I would have jump on it as if it was some hot girl

hey mbarvian.... id b more than glad to use it if u based it off of the rogers wm6 rom that way i can take advantage of the name display feature that seems to only b available on that rom

I could definitely go for a good hybrid prefferably with good graphics handling

There may be bugs but there are many bug fixes that I can't go back to 6.0

nvmkpk said:
There may be bugs but there are many bug fixes that I can't go back to 6.0
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WM6.0 isn't bug-free either
The least amount of bugs in any of WinMo OSes (IMHO) were in WM 2003 SE... but then it was much limited in some function compared to later WinMo OSes...
Actually I think each one is apples and oranges, all of them have their different and distinct bugs, features and pros & cons

If I could get the battery life from wm6.1 in wm6.0 I would love to use one of Alexs roms .
-McMex

WM 6.1
For me, the biggest reason to use WM6.1 is the improved bluetooth support. I use my phone with a carkit (Parrot) every day and the WM6 (and I have tried quite a lot), always gave me trouble with dropped calls, the carkit thinking that a call was going on when nothing was happening, low volume.
All of these things are solved with 6.1, so I would not go back.
Good luck with the new Rom,
DeputyNL

I've been using 6.1 and at first I liked it, but after some time with it, it's unreasonably buggy and LAGGY. Sliding the tilt open and many many times when I want to click something, I have to wait and wait while clicking for it to recognize that I'm trying to tap a choice or an X.. I would def like to see a lite, non plagued with crap hybrid, fast, and battery efficient.

kwickone said:
I would seriously consider going back. I do think I get better battery life with 6.1, but yeah, you are right....lots of random, odd issues with 6.1.
I would give it a whirl!
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QFT
bla bla bla "qft" was 2 short lol

Well, yes, I miss 6.0.
It's OK for me as long as it is almoast as speedy as the latest roms here.
BTW, can we use the Omnia driver with a 6.0 ROM ?

Seriously speaking I hardly found any difference with both of them. I like to change My device OS so that was probably the reason.Anway My vote with both of them.

battery life is same in 6.0 for me. gps is much much more faster in 6.0. so i vote for going back.

My feedback about WM 6.1
- No cleartype in landscape mode
- Those 15 MB extra RAM used, other PDAs with WM 6.1 and 128 MB of RAM have more free. I do not see a big speed improvement due to that. I do not like seeing only 20 MB free while running Opera and Tomeraider for example.
- All WM 6.1 radios for some reason have problems connecting to my router, must set the power to the max even when at a few cm.
- QuickGPS data is NOT being used by any (including official) WM 6.1 ROM. I got tired of trying buggy ROMs and went back to WM 6.0. When you start GPS in a program, GPS satellite locations on the sky appear inmediatly, and GPS lock is obtained in 5 -7 seconds. I never, never, got that with any WM 6.1 radio. Stop GPS, start again, fix instantaneous.
- Battery life is not worse than with many radios, check power consumption in Homescreen Plus plus. Also chequed while running Navizon for example (phone, GPS and WiFi on), not different than what I have seen in the last months.
- Once I installed all my usual programs, I cannot see any difference between WM 6.0 and 6.1. And I do not like threaded SMS very much, I cannot delete individual messages, just the entire log for that person.

Fuze Complaints & Gripes Go Here & Only Here

I was super excited to hear that the Fuze was coming out for AT&T since I have been waiting for the TouchPro for a long time. Finally my local AT&T store got a couple in stock so I went to go take it for a test drive after reading/watching all the reviews I could find.
I'm thoroughly disappointed. I am trying to upgrade from my 8125 and i was thinking that it would be a major improvement. The Fuze is slower than my 8125, how is this possible? Is touchflow3D the new vista? The only thing that even keeps me remotely interested is the video out capability.
I'm not sure if I should be mad at HTC since they only make the hardware or microsoft since they make the bulky and outdated windows mobile software. Now I have to wait another year to see what hits the market. I'm a big fan of HTC and WinMo but I think someone needs to step it up a bit. IPhone isn't that big of a threat but after playing with the Android OS on the G1 I can definitely say that it is worthy to be called a next-gen OS.
Throw the Android OS on the Fuze and then we can call it a day.
I think it is our fault for constantly spending $500 on phones that provide inferior performance. Ok the rant and rave is over
Mod Edit: Combined about 10 threads with various minor complaints about the fuze, please try to keep general complaint type comments to this thread.

I had issues that day I bought my Fuze. I was really worried that it was a dog as it was slow and using the screen was spotty. The two things I did to change my mind were to use my finger tip instead of finger nail to navigate the screen and intall the TF3D Configuration tool and apply the speed tweaks. After that it runs like lighting... I upgraded from the 8525...

turn off TF3d and re-evaluate the speed.
is the slowness TF or WM

While not as snappy as my Tilt, I don't think its the TF3D app. I can turn it off and use it like a normal mobile device. I noticed finger swipes works better than my Tilt.
People need to remember this is NOT an Iphone or a G1. Those use a different screen technology. Perfect for fingers, really bad for accuracy. Just remember on a winMobile device, swiping with a bit a pressure will work fine. If you want accuracy like clicking on a small box or drawing something (Lets seee iphone or G1) freehand, use the stylus.
Fuze bonus over that of the Tilt: Hi-Resolution screen, more keys on the keyboard, camera light, other things too, but thats the main thing. I liked.
And the G1 ain't all its cracked up to be. My friend has it. He's not happy. He moved from a BB though. Doesn't even have a IM client yet that works full time.

Man, my Fuse (with the TF3D running) is at worst just as fast as my 8525

Flash a rom, take out the bloatware from att. Its fast as ****

sdlopez83 said:
Flash a rom, take out the bloatware from att. Its fast as ****
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I agree. Its MUCH, MUCH faster than my Tilt was after I flashed NotATreoFan's ROM. He basically made a clean version of the stock ATT ROM.
The stock ROM is crap and is bloated and runs slow and lags.
I also made some changes in the AdvancedConfig tool. I changed the finger pressure and sensitivity to Normal instead of the defaults.

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Flash a rom, take out the bloatware from att. Its fast as ****
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This!

Flash your Fuze
I was on the fence about flashing my Fuze... but finally put ROMeOS 1.40 and, like everyone else has said, its night and day.
Just curious what what you're doing that the 8125 could perform better?

sure it is slow. thanks to AT&T bloatware.
I have not flashed a new ROM yet, but just by getting rid of the bloatware and doing the TF3D performance tweaks, the HSPDA tweak, the remapping the PTT button, and i am a happy camper already.
I love the size and the screen resolution. The touch screen TF3D is a huge improvement on my Tilt's Manilla 2D. And once you get stuff like Gyrator 2 on it (to use the G-sensor in ANY app, not just Opera and HTC Album), it really blows my old phone away.
Slowness, GPS lags, network restrictions, bloatware are all easily fixable - well, thats why we love XDA-Devs

the phone is only as good as the user makes it. Try tweaking it and you'll love it like the rest of us~
And trust me, you don't want android YET, so many bugs and flaws with that OS right now. Get yourself a g1 and you'll see why.
Good luck playing with your fuze!

My TF feels kinda fast, no lag whatsoever.
Stock ROM, nothing tampered with except Diamond Background Changer...
I did do a hard reset after the first 4 hours with the phone though, just to avoid any problems (saw it on the Sprint TP forums).

tchan012 said:
sure it is slow. thanks to AT&T bloatware.
I have not flashed a new ROM yet, but just by getting rid of the bloatware and doing the TF3D performance tweaks, the HSPDA tweak, the remapping the PTT button, and i am a happy camper already.
I love the size and the screen resolution. The touch screen TF3D is a huge improvement on my Tilt's Manilla 2D. And once you get stuff like Gyrator 2 on it (to use the G-sensor in ANY app, not just Opera and HTC Album), it really blows my old phone away.
Slowness, GPS lags, network restrictions, bloatware are all easily fixable - well, thats why we love XDA-Devs [/HUOTE]
Hi there....might I ask exactly how you removed the "bloat ware" from the Fuze? I would like to remove a bunch of it myself....thanks!
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XDA to the rescue as always
Thanks for all your comments and I see and appreciate your respective arguments.
baboola - this is very true that we are here because we unhappy with the out-of-the-box performance of our phones
kcchen - 8125 is running touchflo 2d and runs like a champ compared to Fuze with touchflo 3d. I'm guessing this would be the same on the 8525 and 9525 (Tilt)
everyone - thanks for making XDA an awesome expeirience
I guess as usual flashing is the only way to make the necessary improvement. I wasn't really thinking about the AT&T bloatware.

kingdmc said:
Thanks for all your comments and I see and appreciate your respective arguments.
.....
I guess as usual flashing is the only way to make the necessary improvement. I wasn't really thinking about the AT&T bloatware.
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Good luck! Do the HardSPL and get one of the page pool optimized ROMs. I use the ROMeOS 1.40 which is a dramatic performance improvement... Kevlar-Source has a repository of other ROMs with the page pool hex set to 0. Do a search in the Rapheal ROM development to find Kevlar's repository.
Good luck!

Bloatware...I don't get all your complaints!
It's not like all that crap is hogging RAM. So what's the difference between whacking it and going through the steps to make everything work again - and just leaving it alone?

I use my Fuze with a custom ROM. Faster than the Tilt or the 8125 I had before. I had the ATT ROM for 2 days until I just had too many issues. The customer ROM is much better. Still some minor issues but nothing major.
Still not sure if I like the design of the up/down/left/right. Half the time I press right, I hit the back button.

Think I'm gonna return my Fuze
I've been playing with it since the day before launch, haven't done any custom ROM's so it's all stock...but I don't like it. I mean it's sexy--I love the device itself--but AT&T's software eats it *bad*. At times it feels slower than my Wizard running 6.1, and it's way, way, WAY less stable. The thing is locking up constantly...it's just a pain in the ass.
So I guess that's it. Anyone else disappointed in the software load they've given or had stability problems with the device?

I had a lot of lag with it, but every since my friend flashed it and had all the AT&T stuff taken out, it's been running faster and its pretty stable.

I've been thinking of doing that as well, I am just a bit torn because I'm not sure the ROM development is really mature yet for this particular phone. Also I tend to think this one might be having hardware issues given how much it locks up. Maybe I'll just have them exchange it for another one.

Verizon Touch Pro 2 WM6.5 out!

http://www.pcdphones.com/phone_downloads.aspx?bid=128&cid=1&mid=356&carrier=Verizon
At least I hope so. I'm downloading it now.

Careful
HTC hasn't posted/released the WM6.5 upgrade for the Verizon TP2.
Verizon hasn't posted/released the WM6.5 upgrade for the Verizon TP2.
Therefore, I'd be careful of a supposed leaked "Official" ROM.

It's not leaked. PCD is the company being used to distro updates for phones. Someone has just flashed over at PPC and I think I am going to give it a shot too in a few minutes.

This is from the upgrade procedure that is included in the download zip.
The upgrade performs the following improvements:
1) OS Upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.5
2) Updated drivers to support Global VZ Navigator.
3) TouchFLO 3D Enhancements.
Congratulations! You have successfully upgraded your XV6875!

so what are the advantages of flashing this from mighty rom currently? Also the advantage in the radio?

Going to install soon!

This looks like the real deal. wmexperts is also reporting the same with links to the pcdphones site listed above. I have to wait to download but I am totally stoked it came out !!!!!
http://www.wmexperts.com/verizon-touch-pro-2-also-gets-official-windows-mobile-65-upgrade

This update has...
Window 6.5 Pro
CD: 5.2.21874 Build: 21874.5.0.83
Rom: 3.04.605.3
Date: 11/17/09
Radio: 2.23.00WV
PRL: 65072
PRI: 1.94_002
I get this info from PPC, and I think MightyMike extracted the radio already, not sure
I have been putting attention to all TP2 win6.5 updates since Im waiting for my sprint update, Im the type of person that prefer stock roms instead of cooked roms , sorry chefs, nothing personal

That took long enough... Surely there has to be more changes? wmexperts is reporting it also has Sense 2.1

To me it seems like a bit of an epic... Yippee... That's about it... Doesn't seem to do anything major to the phone - at least nothing compared to some of the cooks around here!
Sense is nice, and it's great that the 'my location' feature is active, but overall...
Not that impressed...

Does it have Sense 2.1 or Sense 2.5?

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Does it have Sense 2.1 or Sense 2.5?
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Many people confirmed that has Sense 2.1

I want to hear more feedback on this before I download.

I am downloading it right now and will flash as soon as its done and will report back with info about the rom soon.
EDIT: Manila 2.1
Problem fixed for 1X areas. No more error pops up.
Other than that i am looking forward for custom roms to be cooked with the new information from this rom for verizon users

I have already flashed the new stock rom, and I have also dumped it into a kitchen so that I can get rid of some of the crap ware. The stock version eats alot of memory. I got up to 75% in just a couple of minutes, and I was just going through the menus and seeing all that was installed.
It's just manilla 2.1 with colored icons on the slider and weather clock. Every thing else is pretty much the same as the custom 6.5 roms every one has been flashing as far as windows is concerned. At least its an approved verizon rom and now I can strip it and make my own version. This is what I have been waiting for. To bad there is not much eye candy with it.

It is a memory hog, but they have fixed the Bluetooth issue where you cannot hangup. Also, the incoming MMS images are full screen instead of small. And of course, the new radio.

i like it. did it last night. took about 4 minutes. it seems to be about the same speed as the 6.1 it shipped with. bluetooth works better. faster pairing with headset. will try to see if hangup works now. (dont have headset with me so i will test when home) i like the weather on home screen. nice upgrade. id recommend it.

I thought it was a good upgrade too.
The weather is nice. Finally I get to use the lock screen which I love. All cabs that gave you back memory seem to work. The camera with al the modes work too and some other stuff. This is a real treat for me since originally I didn't plan on getting the TP2 and then seeing 6.1 made me kind of sad (minus touch flow 3d). So yeah not only does it feel like a new phone but a new os too. I will definetly be able to make the wait for awesome Windows Mobile 7 phone (albiet full price).

Anybody getting an e-mail notice of "1" even though you have no un-read mail pending?

No I didn't get that. I would check every folder you have (could be in draft or something).
I noticed the all settings button didn't work. But I know now its Wktask which I love. But for some reason it is effecting me from going to settings. So I had to uninstall it. Now if I have this problem again its a bug and not WKtask's fault.

[Q] Why windows mobile 6.5? Why!

Hi I was just wanting some conformation that i am not the only person who finds windows mobile 6.5 on the HTC HD2 an almost un usable experience.
It crashes so many times in a day, you try to unlock it by sliding the unlock tab and it get to the edge and does nothing, you can’t press any button apart from the off button again and then you have start the whole thing again and if your lucky... after 5 attempts it works or you have to reset!
The typing in messages and on most other programs is so slow it cant keep up, it hangs and stalls and looses most of the spaces and jumps around the txt typing in where ever it wants.
Its incapable to switch from the home screen to the programs screen without stalling and hanging around, and the general user experience of all the user input is slow!
Forgive me if this is covered ground for everyone but for me it’s the most powerful phone on the market and it’s still useless!?
Does anyone have and tips? or any other rants about it?

you can always flash it

Dude just flash a custom ROM on there, what phone do you have and what network?

Before flashing, try doing a hard-reset (you'll have to do that anyway if you are going to flash). See if that solves the problem. Could well be that it is some prog or a left-over of some prog that is screwing things up. I still have the shipped ROM on-board and it runs silky smooth, until I try to be too clever, but then it's my fault
Good luck!

im on a HD2 and looking at puting android on it, but waiting for a new memory card later this week.
what other roms can i flash to it? im on o2...?
but my point was rarther why the hell can microsoft get away wit hreleasing stuff that doesent work still but help is great!

its nothing to do with microsoft, MS release software to a developer who then fits it in to a handset, that process need drivers and a much of work, its not like Windows on a desktop where you can simply update a driver or two with an exe.
read all of the work here regarding flashing, Update to a new ROM, i use Energy, make sure you do it correctly, and it will fly, i have Energys latest and its great, no crashes, good bat, very fast, there is nothing id like to change...well the HSDPA is crap but that might just be my area.
Speaking of Android, i have a copy running from my SD and removing the obvious issues with it just now and assuming it will be fixed by the time it becomes flashable Android brigs nothing new, in my opinion its the same as WM6.5.x with sence 2.5 the only advantage that i can see is the app store

ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?

i HATE wm with a passion! get rid of it lol and put android on it!

WM is just fine for me.

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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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Yeah, as was said before, it's not necessarily MS's fault the rom sucks. First, HTC effs everything up and then the carrier drops the final turds in the mix. Look for OMarket-it has many more apps than marketplace, and they're all free. There's a lot of junk, but there's very good stuff there, too.

peel1e said:
ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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In a manor of speak yes HTC are to blame for most of the issues we have on the devices, first and formost is the fact that HTC never licenced the graphics drivers from QC, second MS provide a blank slate that HTC fills in, lets assume for a second that its all up to MS and in so asuming every WM device ever made is also MS fault, then why is it that some devices work fantastic? the reason is because the manufacture and finally the networks stick their greedy paws on it and bodge it, this is exactly why windows phone 7 is so locked down, MS know for well that the manufactures and networks screw their image so much with WM that they have reduced their ability to do so.
but anyway you will believe what you want, if you look at a ROM with a preconception that its going to be crap then you will only ever see a crap ROM so you may as well give up now.
as for the app store vs the WM market place, your choice of words is intresting.
the marketplace actually has quite a few pieces of decent software, you know in the £20+ range, the app store has shed loads of....well, crap really, but there is much more to choose from and you are more likely to find something thats worth getting so again its down to choice, quality / quantity to suite your needs argument again.
installing android is easy if you already have HSPL 2 or 3 installed. seriously worth reading the guides to make sure you have the correct versions of radio and ROM installed!!
So flash the latest radio, and one of the recomended ROMs, ive used energy without issue, once you done that its just a matter of downloading a build of android, that usually containes everything to give things a quick bash, if you fancy it, you can then do some updating, but its your call, if your using cooked ROMs then as long as you have a recent ROM your most of the way there.
ive tried a newer android build for a couple of days and again, assuming all the bugs are to go and speed is improved, i still dont see a huge difference, its perhaps a bit more refreshing, but its also a bit more limited, ill continue to test it out

Sorry it took me so long to get back but thanks for all of this im now happily running froyo 2.1 on the hd2 now looking for an updated cooked rom because of the google update!

yeah I know