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why isnt there a forum dedicated to the xda atom yet when its already been released?

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The only two things not wrong about the name of this site are the dash and the dot. This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a secretive firm called HTC in Taiwan.
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Perhapse because it is not actually a HTC device?

I thought it was xda developers not htc developers... :wink:

I don't think that many people have the device to justify having a forum perhaps.
It's only officially released in a limited number of countries around the world.
I had the pleasure of playing around with my mates Atom- two things that put me right off were 1) the screen contrast- absolutely terrible and 2) considering it has 128MB memory, it is relatively slow and sluggish. Would definitely like to these things fix in the next ROM upgrade.

I just got my Atom and I can honestly say it isn't bad.
The Screen contrast is completely adjustable and it seems better than my XDA II.
Also it is slow however, it gets a lot faster when you remove all the crap out of startup.
Only been using it for a short period but I'm currently happy with it.

cyeoh said:
I just got my Atom and I can honestly say it isn't bad.
The Screen contrast is completely adjustable and it seems better than my XDA II.
Also it is slow however, it gets a lot faster when you remove all the crap out of startup.
Only been using it for a short period but I'm currently happy with it.
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How do you adjust the contrast? I only played around with it for about 20 mins. Like I said it belongs to a mate.

i actually considered that its a quanta device and not htc but as the other poster said, i think the XDA part of the Atom has more weight than its company of origin.
i dont think its because its only been released in a few countries either.a forum dedicated to the universal was up even before it was released if i remember correctly.
so, again i ask the question: why isnt there a dedicated forum to the XDA atom?[/quote]

i dont think its because its only been released in a few countries either.a forum dedicated to the universal was up even before it was released if i remember correctly.
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But there are going to far less of these devices than HTC products since O2 Asia is the only carrier of it. The Universal was/is available in many variants by many carriers hence more devices being sold.
All the better if they do have a forum.

sh500 said:
i dont think its because its only been released in a few countries either.a forum dedicated to the universal was up even before it was released if i remember correctly.
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But there are going to far less of these devices than HTC products since O2 Asia is the only carrier of it. The Universal was/is available in many variants by many carriers hence more devices being sold.
All the better if they do have a forum.
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but remember, china is the most populous country in the world!!!

My 2 cents,
Simple fact is this forum is for people with these devices to communciate.
People with XDA Atoms will continue using the forum to communicate regardless of whether there is separate forum for it
A separate forum will make it easier to post in the correct location and stop clogging up the General Discussion, so regardless of who makes it and where it is available, it really doens't make sense not to have a separate forum for it.
Cam

I had the Atom for about a week now. The thing looks stunning but performs quite poor. The memory is is a big corncern for me as it's just too low, I've only got 6 Megs left in the storage memory and I haven't loaded half the programs from my Jam yet.
I'm a bit lost and don't know what to do with my Atom because I've also got the K-Jam on upgrade for £30 and it perform much better but just very bulky and not as good looking. I brought the Atom from Expansys and have about 21 days return policy on it.
I really want to keep it but it's such a buggy thing for £552!!

I would suggest not to go in for the k-jam instead of the atom as its WM5 which is the problem (slow) I had the k-jam for 10 days, it was so damn slow I had to get rid of it...I mean if I use the device without installing any other software (WM5 compatible) its fine but as soon as I put 1 or 2 softs its lagged terribly, so stick with the atom & wait for a ROM update...
Also try removing the start up program like the user mentioned above...

There are also registry Hacks to make WM5 faster.

Atom & Dopod 818 Pro (Prophet) are hot machines in Hong Kong market and users are actively arguing about their pros and cons.
However, seems like a new ROM for Atom has been release but only available through service center, even not seen in seeo2.com (official O2 Asian support page). The ROM version is 20051223B2WWE. The general response is the ROM make the machine much much faster and the radio (not FM radio) signal is improved as well. I don't have the machine so cannot verify.
For 818 Pro, we Hong Kong people hearing more and more negative feedback... seems like the bad things raise slowly to the surface, like bubbles in thick oil. On the other hand, a side track news: Dopod is not going to release ROM upgrade as fast as before because so many people do ROM hack. It's really bad news and make me think twice before going for 818 Pro. :x
Not considering the bad reputation and performance during Atom's initial launch, seems like Atom with new ROM patch defeat 818 Pro a little bit... :?:
For me, I have stopped and just wait, to see which device will have a dedicated forum here... if there is no resource and feedback from you guys and play with the device together, no matter how well the device, it's just a consumer gimmick and not compariable to even magician

I have the Atom for the past 3 weeks and I guess I am not overly satisfied with the product,
even though this is my first PPC , I am a regular reader of all forums and have been following all product launches ,
one fo the main reasons for me to go in for the Atom was WM 2005
but it seems the product as such has some HW issues especially in the sound front ,and Data Transfer rate ,
The speakes are just too bad for what is supposed to be a media center PPC and the USB Active Sync Data Transfer rate is at best OK,
I do not know how a ROM upgrade will improve poor speaker quality and the Data Transfer speed, I guess I will have to just grin and bear it
I will be doing the ROM upgrade next week , will give my updates once I observe the perfomance of the Atom after the upgrade

A few more Atom gripes
Apart from the poor response time, I also find the standard alarm function does not work properly. A quick test with the alarm set for 10 minutes ahead works well, but 6am the next morning does not sound at all, until you later go into the alarm section to find out why, and then it goes off. Any ideas anyone?
Also, my Atom turns itself on accasionally for no reason. No incoming call or SMS, no alarm set, no USB or bluetooth connection, etc. It just turns on and sits there. Any ideas anyone?
Also - another poster advised removing items from start-up. How do you do this? Does it require a registry edit?
thanks,
depressed_atom_user

No registry edit to take items out of startup, done it on both 2003Se and WM5.
Programs - File Explorer - Device - Windows - Startup

The ole upgrade...

I current have a old Sony Erickson...gay...and a Cingular 3125...love it...when it stays on
Im getting my upgrade....like im elgible now...
I want a smart phone...here is my list
ATT 8525 129.99 Refurb
BB Curve 99.99 Refurb
Palm Centrino 99.99
Palm 750 199.99
Palm 680 149.99
I am only 16....text addict...so i want good texting...My friend has a palm 680(that was supposed to be mine) and i love the threaded text/chat freature that it has. So i found an app for wm5/6 that can do the same. I want to mod my device..so that gives a lean to wm. I like wm b/c of the similarity to my computer. BB seem to be very stable compared to the wm devices. and i hear palm has an outdated os...but thats pretty irrelevant to my life...lol. But the 8525 has wifi...and i would love to have that...but which route would yall go?

anybody...i need some opinions...

Those are pretty much the same phones I looked at when deciding what to buy.
My thoughts were, Blackberry - add on software to expensive and little of it.
Palm OS, Not multitasking
Treo with Windows Mobile, ok, but I have large hands and keyboard kinda small.
HTC 8525, my choice. Best of all worlds. Not perfect, but close for me.
My son just got a blackberry perl, and he loves it. Does lots of texting, but keeps asking me where he can get the games and stuff I have on my 8525. Most aren't even available.
I text quite a bit too, but not like my son, and most of the time I don't open the keyboard to do it. I use a program called Calligrapher, and just write on the screen and have it converted to text. Works great.
Final choice is up to you. Go to a few of the stores in the area, and see how each device feels in your hands. That will help you make the best decision.
Good Luck.

Thanks...and can somebody explain to me how to mod this device...because i just want to put a couple of apps on it..maybe a few games and such...nothing major...i wanted to do some iphone similar interfacing mods...but i probably wont.
so can somebody explain how to upgrade to wm6...and what all this ROM stuff means to me and the performance and customizability of the device?

anyone else

Installing apps and games is very easy. You have 2 basic methods, you can download a cab file directly to the phone and install from there or download a windows installer and install to your phone from the PC through the activesync connection. Most of the applications or interface customizations you talked about would be done in one of these two manors.
Upgrading your device from WM5 to 6 will require to to flash a new rom on the phone. You have many options to choose from when picking a new rom. You can use the generic version from HTC, or go with one of the many custom cooked roms on this site. You just have to read each of the threads for each of the roms to see the pros and cons of each. Just like the phones, there is no perfect choice and you are the only one who can decide which rom is right for you.
These phones can be as easy or as complicated as you want them to be. If this is all new to you, try starting off with the Generic HTC rom, or the official WM6 rom from your carrier, if one exists.
To get started, read the wiki for the hermes and start reading the posts in the hermes forums, and as always, ask questions, but try searching first.
Hope this helps!

anymore opinions as i am very close to my purchase...

What is the best new Mobile Device?

OK thats an ambiguous title I know, sorry, but I needed to start somewhere. I have not been around Mobile Devices for some time, I mess around with Blackberries in work but have not had an HTC device at home for a couple of years.
I had the original XDA and XDA2, the Jasjar (universal) and had the original Orange SPV, which I gave to my son only for him to leave on a wall in a service station 3 days later All were great fun learning apps, unlocking, themes, s/w etc. But I have not had a high spec phone for some time, and to be honest looking at the VAST number of devices it's all a bit overwelming.
So, I am looking for a device that has a qwerty keyboard, touchscreen, OS is not important so long as I can get misc apps working like TomTom, irc, spreadsheet, ftp, and some decent e-mail/calendar s/w. Also a decent music/video player (used to love a DivX app on the universal).
I am UK based, will buy on contract, don't mind waiting a couple of months if there are new devices on the horizon. I don't mind NEW technology, as in, with a few Bugs, so long as the basic stuff works.
GPS is a nice to have but not essential, I would be using it as a phone, so nothing too big, the universal was as big as I would go for something you carry around with you most of the time.
Any thoughts or ideas?
Cheers, Shire

shire29 said:
OK thats an ambiguous title I know, sorry, but I needed to start somewhere. I have not been around Mobile Devices for some time, I mess around with Blackberries in work but have not had an HTC device at home for a couple of years.
I had the original XDA and XDA2, the Jasjar (universal) and had the original Orange SPV, which I gave to my son only for him to leave on a wall in a service station 3 days later All were great fun learning apps, unlocking, themes, s/w etc. But I have not had a high spec phone for some time, and to be honest looking at the VAST number of devices it's all a bit overwelming.
So, I am looking for a device that has a qwerty keyboard, touchscreen, OS is not important so long as I can get misc apps working like TomTom, irc, spreadsheet, ftp, and some decent e-mail/calendar s/w. Also a decent music/video player (used to love a DivX app on the universal).
I am UK based, will buy on contract, don't mind waiting a couple of months if there are new devices on the horizon. I don't mind NEW technology, as in, with a few Bugs, so long as the basic stuff works.
GPS is a nice to have but not essential, I would be using it as a phone, so nothing too big, the universal was as big as I would go for something you carry around with you most of the time.
Any thoughts or ideas?
Cheers, Shire
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If it has to be HTC I would suggest Touch Pro, it has the best keyboard after Universal, and has very nice specs! However, you can forget watching decent DivX or xvid movies without converting them, in fact there is almost no new HTC device that can play back a movie without heavy converting becouse of missing drivers! Sucks I know, but the best HTC device I had was in fact the universal! Also Touch pro as well as other new HTC devices are having problems with the so called GPS lag, search this forum to find out more about it!
However, you should check out the new Sony X1 if keyboard is important to you! I have not tested it, but it should be able to play back movies correctly, and maybe no gps lag?
If however a hardware keyboard is not that important to you, then the Samsung Omnia will be a winner! It is very slick, much like the Iphone, and it has all the drivers, so no problems with anything at all!

Enter here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362
And let´s see what all members think about the best device!
Hope everybody can vote!

Thanks Bro...the best one will be the Rafael, I use to have the original Touch, but I was missing the keyboard and Wi-Fi, and all the other wonders that the Pro has, the Sprint version is decent, could be a little bether, but it's nice to work with!!!

TF3D2 vs WM6.5 Default

Which one is cooler? I've been using XBMod's TF3D2 cooked into my fave ROMs for a month now and I've grown quite accustomed to it.
However, As of the last three days I've been using WM6.5 and the interface is nice. I'm still using TF3D2 but I'm considering moving over to WM6.5 becaue its so much lighter, simpler, and snappier.
However, TF3D2 is more versatile and stylish.
What do you guys think?

hmm I think tf3d2 is definitely very nice but because its not part of the os and it has to run on top of winmo, I'd rather give up a little bit of style and keep things going nice and fast without sacrificing ram and resources. And I kinda like the sliders and other new stuff that 6.5 has to offer although I can't wait for 7

I just realized that WM6.5 doesn't do weather I use the weather tab a lot.
I also use the Youtube/Internet tab too in TF3D2

Im using the default. I like TF3D2 alot, but its landscape mode is buggy

Yeah, thats true. I think I'm going to turn to default WM6.5 for a while after all.

i made the leap and flashed my Fuze for the first time and w/ Da_G's base WM 6.5 rom. i like the new 6.5 today/home interface. i also wouldn't be surprised if icons get added to the text on the home page once the final version is released. while TF3D has a lot of nice features, it's ultimately eye candy. i think the 6.5 interface consolidates things nicely on one screen and is finger-friendly enough. when i was using the stock rom, i was actually using PointUI's Home2 instead of TF3D as that just used too many resources and I really only used maybe 3 tabs.
*rant/aside*
i think microsoft needs to bring WM to a level where the core functionality of the device, foremost it's phone/communicating functions, is solid and can stand on its own without these user-made shells/enhancements. honestly, i think this is where the iphone succeeds--it's core functionality is done very well and for probably 90+% of the market, it does what users need it to do w/o any hassles. on the other hand, w/ WM more often than not, one is always trying to tweak the device as the UI and/or out-of-box experience isn't always pleasant. as for tweaking, frankly it gets tiring and frustrating--i've got other things in my life to do and would much rather be able to have a device that's useable right out of the box. overlooking its lack of physical keyboard and deficiencies w/ bluetooth (which should be remedied in OS 3.0), if the iphone platform weren't so locked down (have to go through apps store for everything and compulsory internet plans), i probably would have gone that route and am still contemplating it as my next phone.

^I don't think you get the value of the M$ business model.
Mac for iPhone is just like Mac for their home computers; its designed the way that the OEM wants it, and since they are the OEM, thats that.
WinMo is designed to appeal to a much much larger range of distributors. Its designed vanilla to keep costs low so that the resellers can tweak it however they want and make their own product out of it. People are happy to use the product as it is. Its mostly just the geeks that get annoyed with it, but all the T-Mobile Wing users out there don't complain, despite the phone running like a smelly piece of ass. Why? Because its cheap and, in the end, gets the job done.
You'll never catch a business mass ordering iPhones for their field workers because that's not what they are for. iPhones are entertainment devices. WinMo phones are work devices.
Its actually very intelligent. Sure, the OS isn't as tight as it could be, but they can get away with it because its such an effective model. Its just how business works.

6.5 does do weather. you install titanium weather. i like tf3d better. its flashier which is always a wow factor and i think alot more development went into it. chome is good but it does feel like a competitor. an iphone user wouldnt be impressed with chome. its up to you what you want to use. the brilliance of windows mobile is you can have it look and do whatever the hell you want.

So I'm back to Wm6.1. Didn't like the random bugs in Wm6.5and there was nothing special about it anyway.

hidavi said:
So I'm back to Wm6.1. Didn't like the random bugs in Wm6.5and there was nothing special about it anyway.
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You just did exactly what I was going to suggest you do...
I HIGHLY suggest you try out EnergyROM 2.0 series... IMHO it's the best 6.1-TF3d2 ROM out there: It's fast and furious, no joke.
Rock on.

Is it CDMA-compatible?

I don't think a fair comparison can be made between 2 leaked beta interfaces that may never be officially released for our device. TF3D2 does come off more polished because it's a whole lot closer to release. It will be interesting to see what HTC brings to 6.5. I can't imagine that they won't bring some part of TF3D interface along to maintain their own branding. It's inevitable that everyone here who doesn't jump to another phone will be running 6.5 eventually, whether it's officially released for the tp or not. I'm also interested in what effect the Palm Pre's interface will have on WM devices. I haven't used a Pre, but I have used TealOS on my wifes 755P and it points the way to a superior interface for a multitasking environment. Task managment is not something WM has ever done well and neither 6.5 or TF3D seems to improve that much at all.

LG eXpo

got it today, it's up and running like a champ! was wondering if anyone had some app or customization tips for me while I wait for the ROM chefs to catch up. I've heard quite a bit about mobile shell, is it worth it?
So far I have found the phone to be very fast and smooth, the keyboard is almost too big but I'm getting used to it. The touchscreen is very responsive, easily as good as the tilt2 I tried out, though as I've seen others opine, it's best when using fingernails I think. I'm still getting used to navigating the OS right now though.
Any word on when this phone might get dedicated forums like the others?

treiz said:
got it today, it's up and running like a champ! was wondering if anyone had some app or customization tips for me while I wait for the ROM chefs to catch up. I've heard quite a bit about mobile shell, is it worth it?
So far I have found the phone to be very fast and smooth, the keyboard is almost too big but I'm getting used to it. The touchscreen is very responsive, easily as good as the tilt2 I tried out, though as I've seen others opine, it's best when using fingernails I think. I'm still getting used to navigating the OS right now though.
Any word on when this phone might get dedicated forums like the others?
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Congratulations on your new device! Unfortunately, XDA-Developers is an HTC device forum, and therefore won't create dedicated forums for non-HTC devices. Every device on this board, including the Sony Xperia and both Palm Treos, is an HTC, and I doubt that the HTC-only rule will change soon. However, most of the apps here will still work fine on your eXpo, and you're still welcome to discuss the device in places like the General Forum.

I'm gonna look at this phone when the pico projector comes out, but the Expo isn't at the ATT store to even touch it, yet

im using the xperia, iphone, and tilt 2 right now...i was very excited about this phone because of the snapdragon processor...but being LG i dunno if i should...maybe u can post a small review...hows video playback on it there and camcorder so on etc...waiting for the pico add on as well.

indeed mine is on the way. and i'm sure spb mobile shell 3.5.1 will be one of the first few things i try out on the phone. and i'd like to check out touch response and i'll probably put chome and reStart on depending on what build of 6.5 it comes out of the box with. i hate not being able to arrange my start menu the way i like. chome and total commander really help with icon changing and subfolders. i'd look into those if you want to mod. id also check out advanced config tools. all those should work on your 6.5 smartphone without a problem

p.s. if you feel up for it and really wanna get down and dirty. you could try dumping your rom. and uploading it for us to take a look at?

also feel free to stop by and join my new social group for the lg expo / iq / monaco
http://forum.xda-developers.com/group.php?groupid=159

meh
Do I need to unlock it before it is dumped? I'll do it if you have a walk through or some instructions that you can point me toward.
Well, I spent all last night and every spare moment at work playing with the device. Installed Bing, Skyfire, Opera 10, and a few others. I made it through the day without needing a recharge. While the hardware is great, I like the heft and size very much, I think the software is still a bit rough. There's a lot of reduntdancy, and it's not as finger friendly as I'd like, even some of the newer apps, but the sensor and arrow keys and the finger nails have managed just fine. All in all it feels as though the software in general could use some optimization.
My only complaint so far is that the touch sensor isn't quite as good as the one on the new blackberries, but it works. I'm starting to get the hang of Winmo 6.5, there are some quirks with the back button that I can't tell if it's Winmo or the LG software, but the apps work with it fine.
I tried out the camera and I can safely say it beats the pants off my old G1, but that's not saying much. It has auto focus and white balance, as well as a really nice touch control interface, and the flash is powerful.