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Windows Mobile 7 PPCs?

2007 is at an end. WM7 will be upon us soon. Which handsets seem most likely to be able to run the OS? Id hate to but a brand new PDA now and be green with envy a few months later,hoping the PPC will be popular enough for somebody to cook a WM7 ROM for it. The Imate Ultimate range looks promising,but Im an HTC enthusiast.

Vukile said:
2007 is at an end. WM7 will be upon us soon.
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Where the hell did you get that info from? WM6 has just been released... I hope for an wm7, but to be realistic: I don't think a new ppc os will be introduced until 2009 or later...

neodelec said:
Where the hell did you get that info from? WM6 has just been released... I hope for an wm7, but to be realistic: I don't think a new ppc os will be introduced until 2009 or later...
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Codenamed 'Photon'. Here you go, get you some knowledge:
www.engadget.com/2005/12/08/photon-the-next-version-of-windows-mobile/
www.mobilegadgetnews.com/index.php?showtopic=11890
www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/microsoft_shares_updated_windows_mobile_timeline.html
Envisaged for H2 2008, a new handset now means youre only up to date for eight months.Or not?

Vukile said:
Codenamed 'Photon'. Here you go, get you some knowledge:
www.engadget.com/2005/12/08/photon-the-next-version-of-windows-mobile/
www.mobilegadgetnews.com/index.php?showtopic=11890
www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/microsoft_shares_updated_windows_mobile_timeline.html
Envisaged for H2 2008, a new handset now means youre only up to date for eight months.Or not?
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Did you even care to look at the dates on the link you posted???
Dec 2005, APR 2006, And APR 2006
you seem to have been hiding under a rock so here is the latest news.
photon has been delayed, Q1/Q2 2008 expect to see microsoft launch WM 6.1
with photon launch supposedly somewhere in 2009

fallenczar said:
Did you even care to look at the dates on the link you posted???
Dec 2005, APR 2006, And APR 2006
you seem to have been hiding under a rock so here is the latest news.
photon has been delayed, Q1/Q2 2008 expect to see microsoft launch WM 6.1
with photon launch supposedly somewhere in 2009
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Ha ha. It must have been a big rock.Doesnt sound too encouraging to know that the only thing to look forward to is a glorified service pack.But like they said in those posts, in order not to curb sales theyd rather keep quiet.Graphics havent been exploited by MS as much as they should have,probably the next PDAs will be handheld XBoxes,like the PSP. It makes business sense.

Vukile said:
Ha ha. It must have been a big rock.Doesnt sound too encouraging to know that the only thing to look forward to is a glorified service pack.But like they said in those posts, in order not to curb sales theyd rather keep quiet.Graphics havent been exploited by MS as much as they should have,probably the next PDAs will be handheld XBoxes,like the PSP. It makes business sense.
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...that's not the point of a WM PDA. WM's main market has always been business communications, and that's probably where it'll remain.
Not to say that you might not see a graphics-oriented PDA anytime in the future; take a look at the O2 XDA Flame for example- but the mainstream bunch of devices will probably remain business-oriented.

The Kaiser has the potential to do all that I would like to see already.Since Tomb Raider was released,I thought PDAs were off to the next level of gaming. I think business functionality has been laid to rest to a large extent,with a few networking bugs to be sorted. If MS had to build up that side of things they would massacre the competition.

I saw a news item and screenshot of Windows Mobile 7 UI somewhere recently as Microsoft execs are now testing it on there mobile phones. I cannot remember where though....will need to see if I saved the articles photos to my PC at home...hmmm. Anyhow the UI is white grey with a Vista style button in the top centre and photographic icons for the today task buttons. It did not much appeal to me over Windows Mobile 5 / 6 - although 5 seems to be the fastest for me even with customisations. Its slated for release next year.

I also saw it somewhere but I forgot the most recent posting. All Im saying is if somebody signs a gag-order the must be some serious money on the line.Maybe they can run the Vista on the Shift on a PDA?

could we up the screenshots here as still cannot find them on my PC.

Windows Mobile 7 could be delayed until year 2011

According to it seems, certain to char them with some sponsors of Microsoft like HTC or NVIDIA are developing that is not expected any greater update of the Windows Mobile system until the Movable World-wide Congress of next year...
Full article:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...hasta-el-ano-2011&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
Translated from Spanish
Delete if already posted please

Well it's been delayed so many times...who knows
I've read today that it would be available for hd2 in November 2010

Yeah, I read that and as you say who knows
Anyway, here´s the info I got today, let´s see what really happens...
Cheers galaxys

My thoughts to this are that Microsoft knows that this is there last chance so if everything isn't up to speed, they will keep delaying. However this strategy will eventually back fire as avid WM fans are becoming impatience.

Absolutely disgraceful if true. There's no reason why a massive company like Microsoft should not be able to put out a high quality mobile OS platform by 2010 considering all the time they have had and the reported size of the development team.

Yeah this is getting crazy. Hurry up MWC...

band27 said:
However this strategy will eventually back fire as avid WM fans are becoming impatience.
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I'm beyond impatience went to the Nexus Android last week man is that thing fast

i expect to see it next month at mwc, but if for some reason it doesn't show up this year..i'd say goodbye to windows mobile as a viable mobile os

yea its time to switch to android . win mobile is taking WAYYYY to long.
been running android on my vogue since june i find it blows win mo away! @galaxies: i will be getting mine when it comes to verizon this spring!

jamezelle said:
yea its time to switch to android . win mobile is taking WAYYYY to long.
been running android on my vogue since june i find it blows win mo away! @galaxies: i will be getting mine when it comes to verizon this spring!
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Yeah, I feel you. I've been running Android on my Rhodium for a few weeks, and although it's a pretty early port and many features don't work properly yet, I still prefer it to Windows Mobile's slow release schedule and sub-par performance. I used to be a die-hard WM fan, but M$ has really let their users down, and let their phone empire collapse around them. I'll highly consider buying an Android handset when my contract expires ~2 years

interesting article about WM 7....
http://www.cio.com/article/516563/W...ent_the_Mobile_Market_?page=1&taxonomyId=3061

How long untill mango?

Simple question I hope
How far is mango off coming to factory unlocked handsets. I am assuming these don't have to wait for the usual carrier messing around and was the reason I went for on of these. I am also in the UK if this makes a difference because of region.
Thanks
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Nothing official yet, although there was one MS exec that stated October. I would say thats a pretty good bet. Although MS may try to push it out in Sept. due to a new iPhone coming out and iOS 5 being released. In fact, I not only hope they are doing so, I would almost bet on it. Here's to hoping they can push it out a bit quicker.

waiting desperately for it!! it would be fun!!!

It will go out to networks late summer, and be distributed to the end user in the fall - unless there is some delay.

It will probably be released on nokia handsets in early September, then released to the rest in October.

A beta version of Mango will become available to registered AppHub developers sometime next week. The finished version is expected to arrive around the first anniversary of the original WP7 launch.

Greg2k said:
A beta version of Mango will become available to registered AppHub developers sometime next week. The finished version is expected to arrive around the first anniversary of the original WP7 launch.
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Where'd you get that information?
There was a rumor early this week about the Mango Beta dropping on Wednesday or Thursday but it was dissmissed by Brandon Watson and it turned out to be false.

I think people are just inferring the "next week" time frame based on the wording of Brandon's tweet, when he said that nothing would be happening "this week".

slimshady322 said:
Where'd you get that information?
There was a rumor early this week about the Mango Beta dropping on Wednesday or Thursday but it was dissmissed by Brandon Watson and it turned out to be false.
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From here:
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This week has been a rollercoaster ride for Microsoft with Windows Phone 7. Firstly, the company distributed limited devices to the press for review, then Neowin uncovered news that the Mango beta was due this week. Today, we have uncovered news on why the delay happened, how the update process will work and new features that are likely to be included in the beta.
There's an eery silence coming from Microsoft this week, with normally noisy internal messaging boards and distribution lists going quiet about Mango and staff being unwilling to comment on the beta or Mango itself since the reviews went live. Neowin was contacted by a source inside Microsoft (who obviously did not want to be named) that told us that there was an issue with the build that was to be released this week. Apparently, the build that was to be released had a faulty upgrade script that pointed to a Microsoft Corporate file share, which would not work outside the company, which inevitably caused the delay. Our source says that after the delay, we should expect to see the "AppHub release within a week."
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Would the beta be available for everyone or just devs. We simple users can comment too ... about things that devs do not notice due to their orientation

drelisimo said:
Would the beta be available for everyone or just devs. We simple users can comment too ... about things that devs do not notice due to their orientation
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It is only for people who develop apps for WP7.
This release is not a beta version in the case of a beta test. Microsoft is not testing Mango.
Instead, they give developers early access to new features so that developers can start developing mango apps now.
That way when Mango is launched this fall, there will already be apps that take advantage of the new features.

Mango release Sept 1st ?

Just found this on Pocket-lint.com ..
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Microsoft will roll out its latest phone operating system, currently codenamed Mango, to Windows Phone 7 users starting on 1 September, Pocket-lint has exclusively learnt. Therefore, that will be the date that the company will start its fightback against Android and the iPhone.
Multiple trusted sources have confirmed to us that the start of next month will see the new OS, available to developers over the summer, launching on new handsets, as well as becoming available to current WP7 customers.
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Link
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41489/windows-phone-7-mango-1-september
So let me guess, Verizon will be March 2012 ?

Well its just a rumor :|

Extreme boy said:
Well its just a rumor :|
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True, but it was also a rumor that the Mango beta was going to be released to developers, and that happened. It was also a rumor that Mango was RTM, and just a couple of days later that was also confirmed.
There are a couple of good reasons to unveil it at that time. Not only would it beat Apple and Google to the punch, giving WP7 (mostly) undivided media attention for a month or so, but it would allow new devices to be announced at IFA. Seems like a good plan to me.

I would be very surprised if it was not available in time for the Build conference, so Sept 1 feels right. I certainly expect every paid Build attendee will be getting a Mango phone of some sort.

mikebaz said:
I would be very surprised if it was not available in time for the Build conference, so Sept 1 feels right. I certainly expect every paid Build attendee will be getting a Mango phone of some sort.
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I don't, would be nice
although september first would be really ideal. TO beat the apple crunch but also for OEMs to churn out new F/W updates too

It should be landing around that time. I mean, it is done and all. So the release is immanent.

Damn if its Sep 1 for first class users like ones with branded contract wp7 users .. Than I think my unbranded, expansys unlocked German Samsung Omnia 7 will get it by Mid November .. :'(
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RoboDad said:
True, but it was also a rumor that the Mango beta was going to be released to developers, and that happened. It was also a rumor that Mango was RTM, and just a couple of days later that was also confirmed.
There are a couple of good reasons to unveil it at that time. Not only would it beat Apple and Google to the punch, giving WP7 (mostly) undivided media attention for a month or so, but it would allow new devices to be announced at IFA. Seems like a good plan to me.
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Yea, but, after NoDO, that was a mess...
Let's hope they release it to Zune to everyone on Sept 1st but, I wonder what the carriers are going to do, if they stop it or not.
At least things look like it's possable to happen but, this did not come directly from Microsoft, so take it with a grain of salt...

It won't be coming to Zune on September 1st. That's already a given. Plus, when it is ready I expect Microsoft to release it to us on a rolling schedule, not all at once. Any release on that date will likely be in the form of new hardware announcements, and possibly the announcement of the initial schedule for delivery to existing phones.
As for Nodo, technically no carriers blocked it. If they had, there would be people out there who were still running 7004 due to carrier block, and that isn't the case. NoDo is available right now for every phone. The whole "carrier blocking" issue was a mole hill made into a mountain.
What some carriers did (which was pathetic and reprehensible) was take far too long during their internal testing and updates to their own apps. What should have been a 4 week process ended up being a 4 month process in some cases.
Whether Microsoft will be able to motivate them to be quicker this time is anyone's guess, but one thing that is different is that we know the exact date that the carriers all received the final build of Mango (and we also know that they received earlier builds as well for development purposes).
Unfortunately, for now all we can do is wait and see what happens.

Ms employees are getting it today
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsoft-employees-getting-mango-7720-starting-today
Someone please leak it so I don't have to wait till next year for Verizon to release it....

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evatari said:
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"I hope the news will come out soon."
English please... This is an english thread

Confirmed to be a rumor by Joe Belfiore (via Twitter). Too bad.

News (not good) on MS Office for Android

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-office-coming-to-android-and-apple-devices-in-early-2013-7000005563/

dgjl said:
http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-office-coming-to-android-and-apple-devices-in-early-2013-7000005563/
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Not sure what part you think is bad news... we already knew it wouldn't be out until next year. It will just be sometime after march. I expected maybe waiting until Q3 of next year... ya know, to give MS an edge on it's new tabs

jordanmw said:
Not sure what part you think is bad news... we already knew it wouldn't be out until next year. It will just be sometime after march. I expected maybe waiting until Q3 of next year... ya know, to give MS an edge on it's new tabs
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I think if you read it carefully, MS is not going to share MS office to third party like Android or IOS, it only makes available to Windows OS for mobile.

buhohitr said:
I think if you read it carefully, MS is not going to share MS office to third party like Android or IOS, it only makes available to Windows OS for mobile.
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I think if you read it carefully, it says exactly the opposite of that. The same as every other story on the topic for months. The only news is the possible delay.
Now, according to the Czech tech news site, IHNED, Microsoft product manager Petr Bobek has said that Microsoft is planning to release native iOS and Android versions of Office 2013 in the first quarter of 2013
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Officially, the only thing Microsoft had to say at first was that "As we shared previously, Office Mobile will work across Windows Phones, Android phones and iOS, and we have nothing additional to announce today about retail availability of the new Office."
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No matter when Microsoft delivers the Android and iOS goods, Microsoft's support of any version of Office on a non-Windows smartphone or tablet strikes me as an odd move. In a shareholder letter, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said that Microsoft is shifting its model to focus on devices and services. This is a radical and dangerous shift for a company that's always made it money from software licensing. And, now, instead of using Office as a crowbar to pry users from iPads and Android tablets to its Surface tablets, Microsoft is going to offer Office 2013 on its device rivals? Odd. Very odd.
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I wish they'd done it in time to give us office 2010. I fear mobile 2013 won't play nice with desktop 2010, and I suspect I won't want desktop 2013.
Oh well, what's another new year without getting screwed by MS?

I can wait!
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fortunz said:
I think if you read it carefully, it says exactly the opposite of that. The same as every other story on the topic for months. The only news is the possible delay.
I wish they'd done it in time to give us office 2010. I fear mobile 2013 won't play nice with desktop 2010, and I suspect I won't want desktop 2013.
Oh well, what's another new year without getting screwed by MS?
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Oh well, I think I would fail if I'm an English teacher :crying:

dgjl said:
http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-office-coming-to-android-and-apple-devices-in-early-2013-7000005563/
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Any Microsoft app on an Android tablet will just hog up all the resources and drag the heck out of it. Why does anyone even need another document app anyway? Excel and Word. Plenty of programs can deal.

Kingsoft Office is pretty much MS Office by another company, anyway.
fortunz said:
I wish they'd done it in time to give us office 2010. I fear mobile 2013 won't play nice with desktop 2010, and I suspect I won't want desktop 2013.
Oh well, what's another new year without getting screwed by MS?
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I'm already sure I don't want desktop 2013. It'll probably be designed for W8, on which you can't play any pre-8 games. Since I won't be taking W8 because of that, 2013 will be useless.
And knowing Micro$oft, they'll make another new 'standard' extension that only works in their newest product. (.docx is still driving me insane...) Combine that with the majority of people who are too stupid to select .doc in the save menu and you're pretty much forced to buy the new M$ Office, because loading it in ex. Openoffice doesn't work because the layout is scrambled.

jordanmw said:
Not sure what part you think is bad news... we already knew it wouldn't be out until next year. It will just be sometime after march. I expected maybe waiting until Q3 of next year... ya know, to give MS an edge on it's new tabs
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What I thought was bad was 1) the delay; 2) the strong complications from the article that it's not sound business for MS to release an app that would kill at a stroke the reason for most people and businesses to buy a Surface - at least not until that product had established itself or failed.

dgjl said:
What I thought was bad was 1) the delay; 2) the strong complications from the article that it's not sound business for MS to release an app that would kill at a stroke the reason for most people and businesses to buy a Surface - at least not until that product had established itself or failed.
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I wouldn't take that last part too seriously. MS has already lost a particular percentage of the tablet market and they know it. Over years of not acknowledging that, AND of even viewing their own mobile unit as competition for their desktop unit (which is the reason that, for example, MS OneNote on winmo 6.x SUCKED so epically -- it was intentional), they've lost serious mobile branding ground that could have been theirs if MS Office was ubiquitous. Indeed, if MS Office had been everywhere while their mobile division burned, their climb back to mobile relevance wouldn't be as steep.
People would still associate them with quality at that level and they could build on that. Instead, recent customers of MS Mobile, like myself, view them as hacks and wouldn't buy their crap now even if it were undeniably the best stuff ever because of the long-standing negative association. The cost of not having MS Office Mobile on major platforms is not just lost license fees, it's billions in brand equity that they're having to spend in ad dollars without much to show for it so far.
The guy at zdnet is still stuck in the paradigm that got MS mobile where it is now.