2007 is at an end. WM7 will be upon us soon. Which handsets seem most likely to be able to run the OS? Id hate to but a brand new PDA now and be green with envy a few months later,hoping the PPC will be popular enough for somebody to cook a WM7 ROM for it. The Imate Ultimate range looks promising,but Im an HTC enthusiast.
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2007 is at an end. WM7 will be upon us soon.
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Where the hell did you get that info from? WM6 has just been released... I hope for an wm7, but to be realistic: I don't think a new ppc os will be introduced until 2009 or later...
neodelec said:
Where the hell did you get that info from? WM6 has just been released... I hope for an wm7, but to be realistic: I don't think a new ppc os will be introduced until 2009 or later...
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Codenamed 'Photon'. Here you go, get you some knowledge:
www.engadget.com/2005/12/08/photon-the-next-version-of-windows-mobile/
www.mobilegadgetnews.com/index.php?showtopic=11890
www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/microsoft_shares_updated_windows_mobile_timeline.html
Envisaged for H2 2008, a new handset now means youre only up to date for eight months.Or not?
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Codenamed 'Photon'. Here you go, get you some knowledge:
www.engadget.com/2005/12/08/photon-the-next-version-of-windows-mobile/
www.mobilegadgetnews.com/index.php?showtopic=11890
www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/microsoft_shares_updated_windows_mobile_timeline.html
Envisaged for H2 2008, a new handset now means youre only up to date for eight months.Or not?
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Did you even care to look at the dates on the link you posted???
Dec 2005, APR 2006, And APR 2006
you seem to have been hiding under a rock so here is the latest news.
photon has been delayed, Q1/Q2 2008 expect to see microsoft launch WM 6.1
with photon launch supposedly somewhere in 2009
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Did you even care to look at the dates on the link you posted???
Dec 2005, APR 2006, And APR 2006
you seem to have been hiding under a rock so here is the latest news.
photon has been delayed, Q1/Q2 2008 expect to see microsoft launch WM 6.1
with photon launch supposedly somewhere in 2009
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Ha ha. It must have been a big rock.Doesnt sound too encouraging to know that the only thing to look forward to is a glorified service pack.But like they said in those posts, in order not to curb sales theyd rather keep quiet.Graphics havent been exploited by MS as much as they should have,probably the next PDAs will be handheld XBoxes,like the PSP. It makes business sense.
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Ha ha. It must have been a big rock.Doesnt sound too encouraging to know that the only thing to look forward to is a glorified service pack.But like they said in those posts, in order not to curb sales theyd rather keep quiet.Graphics havent been exploited by MS as much as they should have,probably the next PDAs will be handheld XBoxes,like the PSP. It makes business sense.
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...that's not the point of a WM PDA. WM's main market has always been business communications, and that's probably where it'll remain.
Not to say that you might not see a graphics-oriented PDA anytime in the future; take a look at the O2 XDA Flame for example- but the mainstream bunch of devices will probably remain business-oriented.
The Kaiser has the potential to do all that I would like to see already.Since Tomb Raider was released,I thought PDAs were off to the next level of gaming. I think business functionality has been laid to rest to a large extent,with a few networking bugs to be sorted. If MS had to build up that side of things they would massacre the competition.
I saw a news item and screenshot of Windows Mobile 7 UI somewhere recently as Microsoft execs are now testing it on there mobile phones. I cannot remember where though....will need to see if I saved the articles photos to my PC at home...hmmm. Anyhow the UI is white grey with a Vista style button in the top centre and photographic icons for the today task buttons. It did not much appeal to me over Windows Mobile 5 / 6 - although 5 seems to be the fastest for me even with customisations. Its slated for release next year.
I also saw it somewhere but I forgot the most recent posting. All Im saying is if somebody signs a gag-order the must be some serious money on the line.Maybe they can run the Vista on the Shift on a PDA?
could we up the screenshots here as still cannot find them on my PC.
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Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Nice find dude
edit: multi-touch confirmed!
Thanx! The Battle goes on for Microsoft and Apple. In 2009 Multitouch is a "Must"
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Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
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http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
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1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
Link is working, but it's slow now..
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1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Microsoft was investing in multitouch technology since years ago
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1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Multi-touch is just a name. The technology has been around a long time, and MS even has an implementation in Microsoft Surface.
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/
Surur
http://www.sendspace.com/file/imgb4m
http://download.yousendit.com/FC5662C918CDB87E
Link to mht file from above
I heard rumours(read some article on the net) about multitouch technology that it was a company in Finland who first came up with it, but after 6 months it just was developing "dead spots" on the screen, so they dropped the project. And now Apple "bought" it from them... I say once again Rumours.?
Thats it. Im keeping my WM5 device until further notice. I can survive off extracted WM6 apps until then....
this is from Apple insider about "dead spots" http://www.appleinsider.com/article...essing_dead_spots_on_iphone_touchscreens.html
!!!!
Wonder what it'll run on. Oh well, my Wizard probably won't run it (but here's to hoping it will)
How nice of the blog to spill Microsoft's new and secret ideas for all the competitors out there
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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Now.. to be realistic, out of all the phones that are being sold with windows mobile how many do you think end up reflashed? I am willing to bet that it is quite a small percentage in the end. Most people don't want to get down and dirty with their phones, especially when they've already paid £400-£500 for it.
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Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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WM is one of the few platforms where they would even consider giving updates. Even Symbian and Palm don't. Even on a computer they don't give Vista because we have XP.
As long as it runs compatible hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if develops here find a way to get it working. There's also always test builds on older devices. And it's still a long time before this is going to be released. It doesn't exactly make sense to purposely produce versions for hardware that could be old.
In short, we'll just have to see. There's no point making that speculation.
From the look of it (especially the fonts that have too much quality), the images are just mockups.
And given the Vista example, I bet it will look a lot worse when shipped than what we are seeing in these concepts.
Still, it's nice to see them and them evaluate how much work it takes to implement something that takes just a few days to design in Photoshop.
Can the Betas be far behind ?
Yeah, let's bring the battle to the fruitsuckers!
Some of the stuff looks similar to Pointui.
Do you think it would be logical to release Windows 7 with Windows Mobile 7 together. Windows 7 probably will be release in summer 2010. I think Windows Mobile 7 will be also out in 2010. Also I remember Mobile 5 was released in 2005.
I'm typing this on Windows 7 right now, and it's already more stable than Vista was after more than a year of being released. Seeing as Release Candidate 1 was released recently, the final product doesn't seem to far away to me.
My copy of Windows 7 build 7000 self destructs on August 1st, making me think that they're nuking my copy so I won't be using it after the final product is released. And seeing as the back to school computer sales are always good for PC manufacturers and Microsoft, I'm sure they'll want to get it out by then, so they can catch the Back-to-School crowd and the Holiday shopping crowd later on.
Plus, I believe Microsoft was proposing some offer to give customers a free Windows 7 upgrade if you bought a Windows Vista computer during the summer of 2009. That makes me think that Win7 is just on the horizon. As for WM7, I don't think that it will be ready until at least 2010.
So I personally don't think they'll be released together because I think it would be stupid on Microsoft's part to delay an already stable desktop OS that they so desperately need to release, just so they can release its mobile counterpart at the same time.
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I don't know. The Microsoft is loosing market share in mobile world now as never before. They must to make something that will bit iphone and android with palm. Plus I don't think that Microsoft able to ship Windows 7 soon because Vista had the same story. If they offer the free upgrade to 7 this summer, so probably Windows won't be ready until than. From using Windows 7 i can say it better than Vista, but it is still not perfect. I think Microsoft will take their time and make a good OS, because the rush with Vista didn't lead to anything good.
P.S. Also as in Windows 7, Windows Mobile 7 will have multitouch (hopefully).
Well the Windows7 is nothing else then completed Vista! Vista was planned and started to programmed to have most of the Windows7 futures but as usual MS has screw up big time on timeline.. Computer sales Slash down tremendously as many consumers were waiting for Vista and MS were losing huge money. However MS kill few of the responsible VP's get new one in and the conclusion was just release first whatever is there!!!! As a old saying: IN ORDER TO MAKE CHANGES YOU NEED SURVIVE FIRST
Regards to WinMo.. In fact WinMo phones has increasing market share compare last year’s numbers. Not that much as Blackberry followed by Apple but they all taking share from the symbian away.
Indeed the biggest enemy of Microsoft is Microsoft itself!!! The Internal divisional Political wares prevent them to move fast as suppose to.
Until this year The WinMo division has been treated like a step child and not really put full attention on it. The appearance and success of Iphone, Google’s releas android have shaken few things up in Microsoft.
Now Microsoft has smell blood and wants to make the WinMo more than a simple phone. Changes in marketing (advertisements) ; Widows live and additional services indicating it very much. However said that again back to where I started and that is: the biggest enemy of Microsoft is Microsoft itself. Remember Vista suppose to be released in same time as the Microsoft office...
On the contrary I believe many existing Software companies are happy that Microsoft is as it is! In fact if Microsoft would really do perfect job and release complete software as it suppose to be then I guess 50-70% third-party software companies would be closing down
totally indipendant and will not be released together...would be a marketing nightmare as well as total confusion.
Microsoft stated that 2009 will be 'the year of windows 7' and 2010 'the year of windows mobile 7'. Might be they said 2010 and 2011, but I'm a 100% sure Mobile will be released a year after normal.
I don't have a link, but i read this in an article about 2 weeks ago.
According to it seems, certain to char them with some sponsors of Microsoft like HTC or NVIDIA are developing that is not expected any greater update of the Windows Mobile system until the Movable World-wide Congress of next year...
Full article:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...hasta-el-ano-2011&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
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Well it's been delayed so many times...who knows
I've read today that it would be available for hd2 in November 2010
Yeah, I read that and as you say who knows
Anyway, here´s the info I got today, let´s see what really happens...
Cheers galaxys
My thoughts to this are that Microsoft knows that this is there last chance so if everything isn't up to speed, they will keep delaying. However this strategy will eventually back fire as avid WM fans are becoming impatience.
Absolutely disgraceful if true. There's no reason why a massive company like Microsoft should not be able to put out a high quality mobile OS platform by 2010 considering all the time they have had and the reported size of the development team.
Yeah this is getting crazy. Hurry up MWC...
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However this strategy will eventually back fire as avid WM fans are becoming impatience.
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I'm beyond impatience went to the Nexus Android last week man is that thing fast
i expect to see it next month at mwc, but if for some reason it doesn't show up this year..i'd say goodbye to windows mobile as a viable mobile os
yea its time to switch to android . win mobile is taking WAYYYY to long.
been running android on my vogue since june i find it blows win mo away! @galaxies: i will be getting mine when it comes to verizon this spring!
jamezelle said:
yea its time to switch to android . win mobile is taking WAYYYY to long.
been running android on my vogue since june i find it blows win mo away! @galaxies: i will be getting mine when it comes to verizon this spring!
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Yeah, I feel you. I've been running Android on my Rhodium for a few weeks, and although it's a pretty early port and many features don't work properly yet, I still prefer it to Windows Mobile's slow release schedule and sub-par performance. I used to be a die-hard WM fan, but M$ has really let their users down, and let their phone empire collapse around them. I'll highly consider buying an Android handset when my contract expires ~2 years
interesting article about WM 7....
http://www.cio.com/article/516563/W...ent_the_Mobile_Market_?page=1&taxonomyId=3061
So I'm contemplating a new smartphone and I like many of the things about the TouchPro 2. But my biggest fear is that WM 6.5 is on the door step of being obsolete. With the announcement of Windows Phone 7, apps and updates for 6.5 still going to be out there? I expect that I'll use my phone for the next 2 years or so... I'd hate to keep seeing new and exciting stuff come around for the iPhone, Android, and WP7, with nothing new for the 6.5.
Am I right to be worried?
Your concern is fair. I have a TP2 and a HD2. The good news is there is a large number of software options out there for 6.5. Microsoft says that 6.5 is not being replaced by 7 but that does not mean developers are going to continue to create applications.
WM 6.5 is still supported for next 2-3 years so if you're going to buy a new phone in 2 years you are still fine with WM in my opinion. I just bought my wife a Touch2 few days ago.
For the record the new sdkcerts from Microsoft (with were expired in Dez 09 and re-newed in Jan 10) are valid until 2015. So I guess after 2015 development for WM is no longer possible.
I agree with your concern. I've used WM since 5.0 and have carried most applications from one OS to the next, some with upgrades from the developer. I hate to think that when I do finally have to move to android or WM7 or whatever is out there then that I will have to reinvest in what has become for me a new basic set of apps.
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I agree with your concern. I've used WM since 5.0 and have carried most applications from one OS to the next, some with upgrades from the developer. I hate to think that when I do finally have to move to android or WM7 or whatever is out there then that I will have to reinvest in what has become for me a new basic set of apps.
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i have the same feelings.
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For the record the new sdkcerts from Microsoft (with were expired in Dez 09 and re-newed in Jan 10) are valid until 2015. So I guess after 2015 development for WM is no longer possible.
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Is this really true? Is it impossible to renew the certificates, or develop applications after they have expired? Is the phone unusable after 2015? I am playing with the same thought to buy a Windows Mobile 6.5 device in near future, but if the phone locks after the certs expire, I have to think about better buying a Android Smartphone?! I don't really think that I will use my phone the next 4 years, but maybe if there are no good phones in future...
I think Windows Mobile is one of the most versatile OS on the market, because it is possible to run Android parallel from SD card. Only iOS is possible to do nearly the same. The next advantage is the huge know-how for such an old and durable system. Currently I'm using a XPERIA X1 and I never had the feeling that this OS (WM 6.1) is outdated. It is still timeless and functional. The usability is debatable, because you have a huge range of customization, user interfaces and a lot of free applications... The best thing is, that you can manage lot of things by modyfing the registry. With some tweaks I got my X1 to a very good performance. I would like to use it as second/spare phone in future
Hopefully anyone can answer my questions...
Best Regards
zyclop
P.S.: I don't want to buy an iPhone or a Windows 7 Phone, because WP7 has too many things missing and I would like to wait for a few updates and improvements first (maybe one or two years). iOS has too many restrictions for my requirement and iPhones are still too expensive.
Sadly enough, Windows Mobile is now a dead platform. No support from the new WP7 Marketplace thus no developers on board.
Plus no Angry Birds makes this platform virtually gone now.
qipengart said:
Sadly enough, Windows Mobile is now a dead platform. No support from the new WP7 Marketplace thus no developers on board.
Plus no Angry Birds makes this platform virtually gone now.
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Except that there are shed loads of other places to get apps from.
Compared with other app sites, MS Marketplace hardly has any apps for WM6.
The truth of the matter is that the phones won't suddenly stop working, WM has been renamed Windows Mobile Classic, there are plenty of sites providing apps for it, and no one knows how long this will continue.
But no new devices
Maybe someone can confirm this, but I suspect that Microsoft is no longer selling licenses to WM 6.5.x, or any version except WM7. So it is impossible for manufacturers to build any more WM 6.x devices - they can't get the OS license.
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Maybe someone can confirm this, but I suspect that Microsoft is no longer selling licenses to WM 6.5.x, or any version except WM7. So it is impossible for manufacturers to build any more WM 6.x devices - they can't get the OS license.
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Holy necro-posting Batman.
just use android
efeguwewe said:
just use android
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It's not yet good enough.
http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-office-coming-to-android-and-apple-devices-in-early-2013-7000005563/
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http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-office-coming-to-android-and-apple-devices-in-early-2013-7000005563/
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Not sure what part you think is bad news... we already knew it wouldn't be out until next year. It will just be sometime after march. I expected maybe waiting until Q3 of next year... ya know, to give MS an edge on it's new tabs
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Not sure what part you think is bad news... we already knew it wouldn't be out until next year. It will just be sometime after march. I expected maybe waiting until Q3 of next year... ya know, to give MS an edge on it's new tabs
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I think if you read it carefully, MS is not going to share MS office to third party like Android or IOS, it only makes available to Windows OS for mobile.
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I think if you read it carefully, MS is not going to share MS office to third party like Android or IOS, it only makes available to Windows OS for mobile.
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I think if you read it carefully, it says exactly the opposite of that. The same as every other story on the topic for months. The only news is the possible delay.
Now, according to the Czech tech news site, IHNED, Microsoft product manager Petr Bobek has said that Microsoft is planning to release native iOS and Android versions of Office 2013 in the first quarter of 2013
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Officially, the only thing Microsoft had to say at first was that "As we shared previously, Office Mobile will work across Windows Phones, Android phones and iOS, and we have nothing additional to announce today about retail availability of the new Office."
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No matter when Microsoft delivers the Android and iOS goods, Microsoft's support of any version of Office on a non-Windows smartphone or tablet strikes me as an odd move. In a shareholder letter, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said that Microsoft is shifting its model to focus on devices and services. This is a radical and dangerous shift for a company that's always made it money from software licensing. And, now, instead of using Office as a crowbar to pry users from iPads and Android tablets to its Surface tablets, Microsoft is going to offer Office 2013 on its device rivals? Odd. Very odd.
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I wish they'd done it in time to give us office 2010. I fear mobile 2013 won't play nice with desktop 2010, and I suspect I won't want desktop 2013.
Oh well, what's another new year without getting screwed by MS?
I can wait!
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I think if you read it carefully, it says exactly the opposite of that. The same as every other story on the topic for months. The only news is the possible delay.
I wish they'd done it in time to give us office 2010. I fear mobile 2013 won't play nice with desktop 2010, and I suspect I won't want desktop 2013.
Oh well, what's another new year without getting screwed by MS?
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Oh well, I think I would fail if I'm an English teacher :crying:
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http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-office-coming-to-android-and-apple-devices-in-early-2013-7000005563/
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Any Microsoft app on an Android tablet will just hog up all the resources and drag the heck out of it. Why does anyone even need another document app anyway? Excel and Word. Plenty of programs can deal.
Kingsoft Office is pretty much MS Office by another company, anyway.
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I wish they'd done it in time to give us office 2010. I fear mobile 2013 won't play nice with desktop 2010, and I suspect I won't want desktop 2013.
Oh well, what's another new year without getting screwed by MS?
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I'm already sure I don't want desktop 2013. It'll probably be designed for W8, on which you can't play any pre-8 games. Since I won't be taking W8 because of that, 2013 will be useless.
And knowing Micro$oft, they'll make another new 'standard' extension that only works in their newest product. (.docx is still driving me insane...) Combine that with the majority of people who are too stupid to select .doc in the save menu and you're pretty much forced to buy the new M$ Office, because loading it in ex. Openoffice doesn't work because the layout is scrambled.
jordanmw said:
Not sure what part you think is bad news... we already knew it wouldn't be out until next year. It will just be sometime after march. I expected maybe waiting until Q3 of next year... ya know, to give MS an edge on it's new tabs
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What I thought was bad was 1) the delay; 2) the strong complications from the article that it's not sound business for MS to release an app that would kill at a stroke the reason for most people and businesses to buy a Surface - at least not until that product had established itself or failed.
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What I thought was bad was 1) the delay; 2) the strong complications from the article that it's not sound business for MS to release an app that would kill at a stroke the reason for most people and businesses to buy a Surface - at least not until that product had established itself or failed.
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I wouldn't take that last part too seriously. MS has already lost a particular percentage of the tablet market and they know it. Over years of not acknowledging that, AND of even viewing their own mobile unit as competition for their desktop unit (which is the reason that, for example, MS OneNote on winmo 6.x SUCKED so epically -- it was intentional), they've lost serious mobile branding ground that could have been theirs if MS Office was ubiquitous. Indeed, if MS Office had been everywhere while their mobile division burned, their climb back to mobile relevance wouldn't be as steep.
People would still associate them with quality at that level and they could build on that. Instead, recent customers of MS Mobile, like myself, view them as hacks and wouldn't buy their crap now even if it were undeniably the best stuff ever because of the long-standing negative association. The cost of not having MS Office Mobile on major platforms is not just lost license fees, it's billions in brand equity that they're having to spend in ad dollars without much to show for it so far.
The guy at zdnet is still stuck in the paradigm that got MS mobile where it is now.