Do you think it would be logical to release Windows 7 with Windows Mobile 7 together. Windows 7 probably will be release in summer 2010. I think Windows Mobile 7 will be also out in 2010. Also I remember Mobile 5 was released in 2005.
I'm typing this on Windows 7 right now, and it's already more stable than Vista was after more than a year of being released. Seeing as Release Candidate 1 was released recently, the final product doesn't seem to far away to me.
My copy of Windows 7 build 7000 self destructs on August 1st, making me think that they're nuking my copy so I won't be using it after the final product is released. And seeing as the back to school computer sales are always good for PC manufacturers and Microsoft, I'm sure they'll want to get it out by then, so they can catch the Back-to-School crowd and the Holiday shopping crowd later on.
Plus, I believe Microsoft was proposing some offer to give customers a free Windows 7 upgrade if you bought a Windows Vista computer during the summer of 2009. That makes me think that Win7 is just on the horizon. As for WM7, I don't think that it will be ready until at least 2010.
So I personally don't think they'll be released together because I think it would be stupid on Microsoft's part to delay an already stable desktop OS that they so desperately need to release, just so they can release its mobile counterpart at the same time.
Dave
I don't know. The Microsoft is loosing market share in mobile world now as never before. They must to make something that will bit iphone and android with palm. Plus I don't think that Microsoft able to ship Windows 7 soon because Vista had the same story. If they offer the free upgrade to 7 this summer, so probably Windows won't be ready until than. From using Windows 7 i can say it better than Vista, but it is still not perfect. I think Microsoft will take their time and make a good OS, because the rush with Vista didn't lead to anything good.
P.S. Also as in Windows 7, Windows Mobile 7 will have multitouch (hopefully).
Well the Windows7 is nothing else then completed Vista! Vista was planned and started to programmed to have most of the Windows7 futures but as usual MS has screw up big time on timeline.. Computer sales Slash down tremendously as many consumers were waiting for Vista and MS were losing huge money. However MS kill few of the responsible VP's get new one in and the conclusion was just release first whatever is there!!!! As a old saying: IN ORDER TO MAKE CHANGES YOU NEED SURVIVE FIRST
Regards to WinMo.. In fact WinMo phones has increasing market share compare last year’s numbers. Not that much as Blackberry followed by Apple but they all taking share from the symbian away.
Indeed the biggest enemy of Microsoft is Microsoft itself!!! The Internal divisional Political wares prevent them to move fast as suppose to.
Until this year The WinMo division has been treated like a step child and not really put full attention on it. The appearance and success of Iphone, Google’s releas android have shaken few things up in Microsoft.
Now Microsoft has smell blood and wants to make the WinMo more than a simple phone. Changes in marketing (advertisements) ; Widows live and additional services indicating it very much. However said that again back to where I started and that is: the biggest enemy of Microsoft is Microsoft itself. Remember Vista suppose to be released in same time as the Microsoft office...
On the contrary I believe many existing Software companies are happy that Microsoft is as it is! In fact if Microsoft would really do perfect job and release complete software as it suppose to be then I guess 50-70% third-party software companies would be closing down
totally indipendant and will not be released together...would be a marketing nightmare as well as total confusion.
Microsoft stated that 2009 will be 'the year of windows 7' and 2010 'the year of windows mobile 7'. Might be they said 2010 and 2011, but I'm a 100% sure Mobile will be released a year after normal.
I don't have a link, but i read this in an article about 2 weeks ago.
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Expecting another ROM update soooon.... :lol:
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"Later this year Microsoft intends to supply manufacturers with a second edition of Windows Mobile 5, code-named Crossbow. Crossbow supposedly will have a "strengthened phone experience" along with other minor updates.
This will be followed by the next full revision of the OS, code-named Photon, which is slated for delivery at the end of 2007"
Here:-
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12175
woahhh at the msn direct watches,come uk lets have em here
sometimes I just find it stupid that msn will release a new version of its windows mobile software, like... if you have want to have a new version of windows mobile, you have to buy a new device, although in reality, the new versions of windows "should" run on existing mobile devices , so you squander around to buy these devices just to have a taste of the new OS, i just cant point it out I guess, maybe I feel that the advertising scheme for Windows on your PC, should be different from the mobile counterpart,hehehe, a new windows comes, we all know that It will run on our desktop, but for the mobile part, when a new version comes, most of us will feel sad cause you are almost positively surely that it wont be released for your device or maybe I really just had too much beers now,hehehe
I was searching on the internet for the code name for windows xp (whistler) becose i must check this out for school.
but searching and searching i found this list ---> Klik
In the windows CE list is added -->
Photon
Windows Mobile 7.0
Major update to the platform, merging Smartphone and Pocket PC. Expected in Q4 2007. [2] (based on Windows CE 6.0) .
If windows mobile 7.0 has a codename (photon) then microsoft is building this software
Greats
Antonius
No... And I thought M$ was lazy with development in Windows Mobile.
yeah CE6 have been out for a long time
so it's only natrual that ms's developers
are making a windows mobile based on it
though i would not count on dates of releases
from wiki everybody can post that
dont need to be officialy or insider ms sources who do
OK Zephus
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zephus No... And I thought M$ was lazy with development in Windows Mobile.
hahah you think ms is lazy LOL i think you are crazy i even have windows mobile 6 Embedded from microsoft .
but if you search more then you notice that microsoft is building a lot of programes and tools.
Greats antonius
Yeah, that's definitely an obsolete target date. The last time Photon was in the news was more than 6 months ago.
From its inception, it had always been rumored to have been a significant shift in user experience heavily featuring iPhone-like "gestures", but I'm guessing it was only that way because of spies stealing Apple's intel (and vice-versa). I mean hey, if WM7 was truly on the verge of being released, don't you think they would have informed HTC of this when they were developing their iPhone-like TouchFLO interface?
My take on the whole matter is they most likely had an internal target date set, but once the iPhone came out, they pushed the date back a ways to make sure it trumps the iPhone when released. I'd peg WM7 as a summer 2008 RTM, with *maybe* holiday season '08 as when you'll start to see devices released with it installed.
made it to the news a while ago....mainly because no one could understand how stupid the marketing team could be that was naming these OS versions. Windows Mobile 6 comes out but its the same Windows CE5 as Windows Mobille 5. Now Windows Mobile 7 is based on Windows CE6...anyone else wish they could get rid of the genius who developed this naming scheme other than me....
I know I can't be the only one that gets annoyed of by this
I think a naming issue is the least of the Windows Mobile development teams worries...and quite frankly they can call it whatever they want id prefer Microsoft gave the WM development division the funds, research or ppl necessary to realise they have powerful devices here and its about time the WM platform evolved to meet the convergence in these devices and take advantage of their capabilities and technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile#Future_versions
Half '08!
just like vista - viana
like what they gonna do with windows vista to windows viena.
they say its honna be just a update and not a hole windows so you buy win vista and then you must install viena update.
i heard that in the news in the dutch from the eu
At&t treo 750
Maybe this is why they are holding on the WM5 upgrade?
windows-mobile-7-details-leaked
http://gizmodo.com/341287/windows-mobile-7-details-leaked-+-multi+touch-motion-gestures
God 2009 - at least we know there will be a new OS not for our current devices but for future ones
but again who knows we might end up with windows 6.5 or 6.6 or 6.x
an alternative will be lots of updates
great news - thanks to the author
well MS better hurry up and improve WM to compete with Androids. Steve Ballmer was talking trash about Androids but I think WM6 still have too many probs, and google doesnt make mistake w/ their products
More WM7 stuff here.
but ther is no wm7 for xda :crying::crying:
How do you even find a thread that is 4 years old on xda? :what:
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using Tapatalk 2
yuck
white i like the sound of having desktop applications on phone windows on arm would suck. they need to use intel x64 processors.
and also the fact its not open source
Ok 2008 will be laid to rest...Thank You & Thread Closed.
Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Nice find dude
edit: multi-touch confirmed!
Thanx! The Battle goes on for Microsoft and Apple. In 2009 Multitouch is a "Must"
z_rudy said:
Source: msmobiles.com
In February 2008, during Mobile World Congress 2008 (a global event for professionals, not consumers), Microsoft will unveil publicly Windows Mobile 6.1 that is a minor upgrade to current Windows Mobile 6.
However the really big deal will be Windows Mobile 7. The first phones with Windows Mobile 7 will go on sale in 2009 but already now you can learn (almost) everything about it (including hint that it will support multi-touch!)
Full article:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
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1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
Link is working, but it's slow now..
Taninpv said:
1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Microsoft was investing in multitouch technology since years ago
Taninpv said:
1st..Link is not working, can't connect to the link.
2nd..Support multi-touch. ipod/iphone(Apple) registered the multi-touch trademark,therefore, impossible for anyone to use this technology.
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Multi-touch is just a name. The technology has been around a long time, and MS even has an implementation in Microsoft Surface.
http://www.microsoft.com/surface/
Surur
http://www.sendspace.com/file/imgb4m
http://download.yousendit.com/FC5662C918CDB87E
Link to mht file from above
I heard rumours(read some article on the net) about multitouch technology that it was a company in Finland who first came up with it, but after 6 months it just was developing "dead spots" on the screen, so they dropped the project. And now Apple "bought" it from them... I say once again Rumours.?
Thats it. Im keeping my WM5 device until further notice. I can survive off extracted WM6 apps until then....
this is from Apple insider about "dead spots" http://www.appleinsider.com/article...essing_dead_spots_on_iphone_touchscreens.html
!!!!
Wonder what it'll run on. Oh well, my Wizard probably won't run it (but here's to hoping it will)
How nice of the blog to spill Microsoft's new and secret ideas for all the competitors out there
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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Now.. to be realistic, out of all the phones that are being sold with windows mobile how many do you think end up reflashed? I am willing to bet that it is quite a small percentage in the end. Most people don't want to get down and dirty with their phones, especially when they've already paid £400-£500 for it.
nvrnuff said:
Anyone want to bet that NONE of our devices will support it? I mean, if our devices supported it, we wouldn't have to go out and buy all new ones, and MS wouldn't make any money off the licensing fees from OEMs like HTC. No, making Windows Mobile 7 backwards compatible with phones like the Tilt would just make too much sense and be far too consumer friendly.
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WM is one of the few platforms where they would even consider giving updates. Even Symbian and Palm don't. Even on a computer they don't give Vista because we have XP.
As long as it runs compatible hardware, I wouldn't be surprised if develops here find a way to get it working. There's also always test builds on older devices. And it's still a long time before this is going to be released. It doesn't exactly make sense to purposely produce versions for hardware that could be old.
In short, we'll just have to see. There's no point making that speculation.
From the look of it (especially the fonts that have too much quality), the images are just mockups.
And given the Vista example, I bet it will look a lot worse when shipped than what we are seeing in these concepts.
Still, it's nice to see them and them evaluate how much work it takes to implement something that takes just a few days to design in Photoshop.
Can the Betas be far behind ?
Yeah, let's bring the battle to the fruitsuckers!
Some of the stuff looks similar to Pointui.
According to it seems, certain to char them with some sponsors of Microsoft like HTC or NVIDIA are developing that is not expected any greater update of the Windows Mobile system until the Movable World-wide Congress of next year...
Full article:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translat...hasta-el-ano-2011&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
Translated from Spanish
Delete if already posted please
Well it's been delayed so many times...who knows
I've read today that it would be available for hd2 in November 2010
Yeah, I read that and as you say who knows
Anyway, here´s the info I got today, let´s see what really happens...
Cheers galaxys
My thoughts to this are that Microsoft knows that this is there last chance so if everything isn't up to speed, they will keep delaying. However this strategy will eventually back fire as avid WM fans are becoming impatience.
Absolutely disgraceful if true. There's no reason why a massive company like Microsoft should not be able to put out a high quality mobile OS platform by 2010 considering all the time they have had and the reported size of the development team.
Yeah this is getting crazy. Hurry up MWC...
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However this strategy will eventually back fire as avid WM fans are becoming impatience.
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I'm beyond impatience went to the Nexus Android last week man is that thing fast
i expect to see it next month at mwc, but if for some reason it doesn't show up this year..i'd say goodbye to windows mobile as a viable mobile os
yea its time to switch to android . win mobile is taking WAYYYY to long.
been running android on my vogue since june i find it blows win mo away! @galaxies: i will be getting mine when it comes to verizon this spring!
jamezelle said:
yea its time to switch to android . win mobile is taking WAYYYY to long.
been running android on my vogue since june i find it blows win mo away! @galaxies: i will be getting mine when it comes to verizon this spring!
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Yeah, I feel you. I've been running Android on my Rhodium for a few weeks, and although it's a pretty early port and many features don't work properly yet, I still prefer it to Windows Mobile's slow release schedule and sub-par performance. I used to be a die-hard WM fan, but M$ has really let their users down, and let their phone empire collapse around them. I'll highly consider buying an Android handset when my contract expires ~2 years
interesting article about WM 7....
http://www.cio.com/article/516563/W...ent_the_Mobile_Market_?page=1&taxonomyId=3061
So I'm contemplating a new smartphone and I like many of the things about the TouchPro 2. But my biggest fear is that WM 6.5 is on the door step of being obsolete. With the announcement of Windows Phone 7, apps and updates for 6.5 still going to be out there? I expect that I'll use my phone for the next 2 years or so... I'd hate to keep seeing new and exciting stuff come around for the iPhone, Android, and WP7, with nothing new for the 6.5.
Am I right to be worried?
Your concern is fair. I have a TP2 and a HD2. The good news is there is a large number of software options out there for 6.5. Microsoft says that 6.5 is not being replaced by 7 but that does not mean developers are going to continue to create applications.
WM 6.5 is still supported for next 2-3 years so if you're going to buy a new phone in 2 years you are still fine with WM in my opinion. I just bought my wife a Touch2 few days ago.
For the record the new sdkcerts from Microsoft (with were expired in Dez 09 and re-newed in Jan 10) are valid until 2015. So I guess after 2015 development for WM is no longer possible.
I agree with your concern. I've used WM since 5.0 and have carried most applications from one OS to the next, some with upgrades from the developer. I hate to think that when I do finally have to move to android or WM7 or whatever is out there then that I will have to reinvest in what has become for me a new basic set of apps.
alanrichey said:
I agree with your concern. I've used WM since 5.0 and have carried most applications from one OS to the next, some with upgrades from the developer. I hate to think that when I do finally have to move to android or WM7 or whatever is out there then that I will have to reinvest in what has become for me a new basic set of apps.
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i have the same feelings.
RAMMANN said:
For the record the new sdkcerts from Microsoft (with were expired in Dez 09 and re-newed in Jan 10) are valid until 2015. So I guess after 2015 development for WM is no longer possible.
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Is this really true? Is it impossible to renew the certificates, or develop applications after they have expired? Is the phone unusable after 2015? I am playing with the same thought to buy a Windows Mobile 6.5 device in near future, but if the phone locks after the certs expire, I have to think about better buying a Android Smartphone?! I don't really think that I will use my phone the next 4 years, but maybe if there are no good phones in future...
I think Windows Mobile is one of the most versatile OS on the market, because it is possible to run Android parallel from SD card. Only iOS is possible to do nearly the same. The next advantage is the huge know-how for such an old and durable system. Currently I'm using a XPERIA X1 and I never had the feeling that this OS (WM 6.1) is outdated. It is still timeless and functional. The usability is debatable, because you have a huge range of customization, user interfaces and a lot of free applications... The best thing is, that you can manage lot of things by modyfing the registry. With some tweaks I got my X1 to a very good performance. I would like to use it as second/spare phone in future
Hopefully anyone can answer my questions...
Best Regards
zyclop
P.S.: I don't want to buy an iPhone or a Windows 7 Phone, because WP7 has too many things missing and I would like to wait for a few updates and improvements first (maybe one or two years). iOS has too many restrictions for my requirement and iPhones are still too expensive.
Sadly enough, Windows Mobile is now a dead platform. No support from the new WP7 Marketplace thus no developers on board.
Plus no Angry Birds makes this platform virtually gone now.
qipengart said:
Sadly enough, Windows Mobile is now a dead platform. No support from the new WP7 Marketplace thus no developers on board.
Plus no Angry Birds makes this platform virtually gone now.
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Except that there are shed loads of other places to get apps from.
Compared with other app sites, MS Marketplace hardly has any apps for WM6.
The truth of the matter is that the phones won't suddenly stop working, WM has been renamed Windows Mobile Classic, there are plenty of sites providing apps for it, and no one knows how long this will continue.
But no new devices
Maybe someone can confirm this, but I suspect that Microsoft is no longer selling licenses to WM 6.5.x, or any version except WM7. So it is impossible for manufacturers to build any more WM 6.x devices - they can't get the OS license.
stevedebi said:
Maybe someone can confirm this, but I suspect that Microsoft is no longer selling licenses to WM 6.5.x, or any version except WM7. So it is impossible for manufacturers to build any more WM 6.x devices - they can't get the OS license.
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Holy necro-posting Batman.
just use android
efeguwewe said:
just use android
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It's not yet good enough.