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Dear all,
Due to the proliferation of new ROM's, the Wizard forum is in need of a bit of housekeeping. The mods cannot do this alone, so we are asking for your help.
1) The four most used kitchens have been stickied for the moment and questions regarding any ROM's you cook based on these kitchens should be posted in the appropriate thread. Please do not start a separate thread. Anichillus Core Professional kitchen is also found in the Development and Hacking forum since it is used for multiple devices and is beyond the scope of many basic users. Users beware. I may de-sticky the kitchens upon further discussions with the mods, but right now the structure will stand as it is.
2) On the same note, I'm asking for kitchen authors to notify me or other mods concerning useless posts in these threads (e.g. Why didn't you include "x" application? or posts that are inflammatory or non-technical in nature). They will promptly be deleted as we shouldn't have to wade through 20 posts of BS to get to relevant tech info.
3) All of the kitchens stickied are based wholly or in part on Bepe's tools and are of the same basic architecture. Therefore no more kitchens will be stickied unless they are truly unique or offer a substantially more comprehensive interface.
4) Also, it's sometimes better for a lot of people to refine one ROM than for a few people to refine a lot of ROM's. I know there are a thousand aspiring cooks out there right now since the kitchens have been released. You may be tempted to release your own ROM to the masses either because you think it's a great ROM or because you want to be known around the board. Resist the temptation. Unless your ROM offers a very innovative user experience (e.g. Touch), it is not likely to get a huge following and might just cause more confusion for the non-developers on this board, you might do better to try to collaborate with some fellow developers in creating a very good ROM.
5) MOST IMPORTANTLY (and you know who I'm talking to). Some people have repeatedly posted in this forum despite the fact that their posts had nothing to do with Windows Mobile 6 specific issues on the Wizard (i.e "My Herald..." or ("Do you have this software from a Nokia?"). We will issue 3 warnings through PM's but after that you might be up for a temporary ban. This will only happen if you're a repeat offender. Heck we've all posted in the wrong place at one point or another. If possible we may move the post to a more appropriate location but it would save everyone a lot of work and aggravation if the posts are made in the correct forum.
I hope this helps a bit. If you have suggestions for how we can make this place better, please air them here. If you have a complaint with a mod, please PM me first. I don't like public conflict and most of you don't either.
jwzg said:
Dear all,
5) MOST IMPORTANTLY (and you know who I'm talking to)..
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not nice.,...
btw.
upgrade forum to allow people REMOVE own posts/topics, first.
Users can manage, with proper USUAL forum options, too.
smells like we vs. THEM,again,.
"same architecture" - yup, yup, but why i can see potential with new user cook result, and i can't with older builds?
it is random novadays(lack of your knowledge + newbie enthusiasm can make miracles).
I agree that a strong hand is needed. For this i suggest that there should be a special part in the forum where to move threads that have no replies for hmm...30 days ...?
I don't know too much stuff about forums but i think that would mean a nasty job for you guys so...just a suggestion. Or better...delete them or move them to an sort of recycle bin.
Regarding switching to a new upgraded forum, i think that would be an immense hard work also and it will leave the community off line for few days. It may be needed to come to that soon but that's not a big problem.
But i agree that allowing people to delete their own posts would be nice. But on the other hand, considering hours i spent here reading, i kinda got used to this look
I will PM you with posts to delete but beware that i may be more strict than you and i don't want to waste your time...so i will filter myself.
And one more thing to add to this. The original "Wizard" forum has some sort of bug because whenever you open it, there arent more than two pages in it, so older posts are mysteriously made invisible though the front page at forums.xda-developers.com shows that number of threads in it are in thousands..maybe users dont post the general questions there because they think (or know) that if they dont get a reply within a day, their post is going to go into oblivion and not be answered...
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not nice.,...
btw.
upgrade forum to allow people REMOVE own posts/topics, first.
Users can manage, with proper USUAL forum options, too.
smells like we vs. THEM,again,.
"same architecture" - yup, yup, but why i can see potential with new user cook result, and i can't with older builds?
it is random novadays(lack of your knowledge + newbie enthusiasm can make miracles).
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You are reading this wrong. I had about four or five posters who after two or three moved threads and a couple of PM's continued to post totally irrelevant posts in the Wizard Mobile 6 thread. I this was aimed at repeat offenders and not at the occasional screwup. By they way, you can modify your post or ask a mod to move it if you like. Not a big deal.
I'm not trying to be a jerk at all, but I'm not trying to be nice either. I just see the same old builds with different package combo's that anyone could make with the kitchen and a little ingenuity. However, folks like Zoki and the-equinoxe have done some fine things with the touch software that are truly innovative and add substance to the user experience. I for one have partially adapted the T-Mobile wing OEM package to the Wizard (yes camera too, but the image is transposed and my-faves doesn't work). That's true ROM cooking and not just throwing a few packages into a cooker and presto.
It is not "us" against them. It's those who have a bit more experience actually doing our best to take this forum up another level instead of settling for ssdd.
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And one more thing to add to this. The original "Wizard" forum has some sort of bug because whenever you open it, there arent more than two pages in it, so older posts are mysteriously made invisible though the front page at forums.xda-developers.com shows that number of threads in it are in thousands..maybe users dont post the general questions there because they think (or know) that if they dont get a reply within a day, their post is going to go into oblivion and not be answered...
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I'm working on this...
all the old versions of Roms should be deleted too...like the very first wm6 roms theres no need for them
shantzg001 said:
And one more thing to add to this. The original "Wizard" forum has some sort of bug because whenever you open it, there arent more than two pages in it, so older posts are mysteriously made invisible though the front page at forums.xda-developers.com shows that number of threads in it are in thousands..maybe users dont post the general questions there because they think (or know) that if they dont get a reply within a day, their post is going to go into oblivion and not be answered...
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Fixed by admin. Thanks for the heads up.
ANTC said:
all the old versions of Roms should be deleted too...like the very first wm6 roms theres no need for them
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I disagree. There is history and things that can be found in those threads... Unless XDA-Developers is hurting for space, what is actually removed needs to be really determined that it isn't something that may help. I just did a Google search (I've given up trying to use the search here, easier to use Google's advanced searching techniques in most cases) and found an answer in the original Crossbow thread from January. Just deleting stuff because its "Old" is a bad idea IMO... Getting rid of the hundreds of "Help, I bricked my phone!" threads is even questionable as I wonder how many people have fixed a phone due to those and never posted anything here...
Remember there area a LOT of people that read and never post here. Yeah, it gets old answering the same questions over and over again (so I've taken the route where I've quit answering some of those.
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I disagree. There is history and things that can be found in those threads... Unless XDA-Developers is hurting for space, what is actually removed needs to be really determined that it isn't something that may help. I just did a Google search (I've given up trying to use the search here, easier to use Google's advanced searching techniques in most cases) and found an answer in the original Crossbow thread from January. Just deleting stuff because its "Old" is a bad idea IMO... Getting rid of the hundreds of "Help, I bricked my phone!" threads is even questionable as I wonder how many people have fixed a phone due to those and never posted anything here...
Remember there area a LOT of people that read and never post here. Yeah, it gets old answering the same questions over and over again (so I've taken the route where I've quit answering some of those.
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true i guess I worded my statement wrong I ment delete old Rom threads like the different versions of roms...i have no need for my version 1-3.5 beta threads you see what i mean...and I think we should have a bricked phone help thread I even wrote a quick tut on my other site to save a bricked MDA..you understand were im getting at
Gulp - I hope I didn't start something we will all regret with my post "Why all these new WM6 ROMs?" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=313781
Let us not forget that apart from a very few idiots this is a great place to be. I have learnt a lot from this forum considering that I do not have a background in computing.
It has even stimulated my interest to the extent that I have assembled my own computer. Didn't save me money and my wife cannot understand it but I have ended up with exactly what I wanted which a store built machine could not have given me.
I hope you understand the analogy.
Let's just make sure that "We don't throw out the baby with the bath water".
No, you didn't start anything scotch whiskey that hadn't already been brewing a bit. I think my modified OP is a little nicer, but still gets the point across.
ANTC said:
true i guess I worded my statement wrong I ment delete old Rom threads like the different versions of roms...i have no need for my version 1-3.5 beta threads you see what i mean...and I think we should have a bricked phone help thread I even wrote a quick tut on my other site to save a bricked MDA..you understand were im getting at
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I agree with both you and mfrazzz.
What if someone doesn't want to use the latest version of a ROM, they don't like some changes or whatever, they will need those older threads for reference material. Also I notice lots of people asking questions, only to be referred to older threads. There isn't any use reinventing the wheel so to speak.
I think a good idea would be for developers (or just real supportive people) to make kind of an FAQ for some of these older versions, a "best of" list of questions and answers. It can be posted in the forum, it can be on some website somewhere, or in the XDA FTP, whatever. Not only would it give people a good place to refer to, but it might also eventually lead to a cut-down of basically the same questions.
Only then would I think removing older threads be a good idea. I know that wasn't entirely the point of this thread, but hey, mr smart guy back there decided to take a shot so I am too. I for one am right in there with him, I think its THE MAN against US. Oh yes, yes it is. oh noes. <3
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Only then would I think removing older threads be a good idea. I know that wasn't entirely the point of this thread, but hey, mr smart guy back there decided to take a shot so I am too. I for one am right in there with him, I think its THE MAN against US. Oh yes, yes it is. oh noes. <3
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Guys, it's NOT the man against anyone. We'd just like to get some real development going on here instead of everyone releasing slightly different versions of the same ROM.
I don't like this talk
Everybody should have the right to publish his work, no matter what hi did.
The rest will judge his work and he will learn something. Only those who didn't do anything can't understand this.
Old topics should remain, I like to jump back to learn something, for new members old topics is a must.
If you must do something to show us you're administrator rights, do something good, like option to close the thread.
Zoki, no one said members can't publish their work. I just honestly believe more of it should be along the lines of what you did with the touch stuff. I truly admire your work because it was bleeding edge (still may be) and that's developing which is why this board exists. I'm not trying to flatter you here to gain your support either. It's just when people throw your name all over a splash screen it doesn't really make it their work since most all of the ROM's here are cooked using kitchens from other authors with packages from other members and yes, even HTC. If that sounds big-brother-ish, it's not intended that way. Just make sure credit is given to the quite literally hundreds of people who've made this possible. We're already having problems in other forums right now with people asking for donations in return for tech support for ROM's they've cooked with other's tools. That is one of the many issues we're trying to be proactive about here.
Regarding closing threads, I'm not an administrator, and they have chosen not to give OP's the rights to close their threads. If you want your thread closed, please PM me and I have the rights close it quickly. If you want someone else's thread closed, well, you can request it, but it may or may not happen.
BTW, the old threads were not deleted, and I strongly believe they shouldn't be. Admin simply made a mistake in a setting, and all of the old threads are visible as per our request.
As a mod, I'm just trying to do my best to make sure that we have an orderly forum and we are developing, which is the forum's purpose.
hey jwzg we aren't really calling you a bad person, we know you're looking out for us I agree though, the roms are starting to look the same except for one or two programs, and the splash screens. It would be better for people to just explain what was in a new ROM scheme they came up with, and it would encourage more people to start learning how to make their own ROMs, therefore making them more intellectual in this particular field, which is a good thing. knowledge is power. But hey its just my opinion!
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Guys, it's NOT the man against anyone. We'd just like to get some real development going on here instead of everyone releasing slightly different versions of the same ROM.
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just to let you know that the REAL develepor regrets now releasing the rom kitchen tools....
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the roms are starting to look the same except for one or two programs, and the splash screens.
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sorry i am noone for you all, my "senior" member status sounds like joke but...
everything is the same imo now, also, theres no real help lately; only people that can have answers are like "how to flash my phoooone", "did i brickeeeeed?" etc.
there's no real customisation of "custom" builds.
seems like checking some oempacks' ticks is making these current OSes special...
i can't get an answer for my problems, despite i tend to help people someOM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322228
i spent MONTH to make this, and what?
nobody wants to help.
ok, clean this forum up, you may remove my babbling now....
everything i know bout wizard customisation is from that site...but now, in "touch" soft times, there's nothing that makes wizard better, just nothing.
it became playground for kids or what...
sorry for funny english, i cant do better...
i want to say thank you to:
Faria,
Anichillus,
mattk_r
jwzg
double_ofour
zoki
and many many more people that made me ..learning, not copying.
allright, time to watch another touch skin post...
Myself i've been reading most of the time, only lately did i start posting to test some bugs in builds. The issue at hand is a double edged sword. Yes i solved many problems wading through old posts. But i also solved a lot of issues just reading an entire thread. I will never be able to create a kitchen but it sure is nice knowing that when i want to i can build a rom entirely to my liking. But indeed to many Build threads these day are the same. And most of the issues handled, but then spread across multiple build threads, are mostly about the same problems. Mainly issues with specific base roms and aplication incompatibilities. I think a lot of the solving of these issues is slowed down because of the spread through topics. Maybe setting up a rule that Roms that get posted and aren't updated or have any fixes posted should not be taken seriously and can be deleted. This way less Rom versions circulate the thread and only higher quality builds by Chefs are available. Also a good rule might be to have the cooks post more info about the sources and tools used for their builds, like Kitchen used, Base used, Patches used oem packages used. So new users more easily understand that no Rom has no history. It also takes away the polish of parading with your ego. Maybe even changing the main wizard topics into
1. Kitchen Development
2. How To & Troubleshooting
3. Rom Builds testing
4. Custom Made Software & tweaks
5. Hardware and Accesoires
6. To be Deleted (either move topics or delete them when re/placed into new main topics)
Then indeed phase out unneeded old posts if the information is passed into new threads that accordingly aknowledge the sources.
What i'm trying to say is, to change the perception a bit more that this is not a Technical support site and more of a doing site.
I think the main topics can set an expectation and the current ones don't give the impression that flashing is not kids biznz.
Also it looks like there are to many uploads of the same home screens, software etc. (i think even i am quilty of that).
I'm all for a big clean up but with the focus on retaining the history and origin as much as possible even if it means loosing a few classic threads.
You as admin can set the tone and expectation and a clear message should be sent to junior cooks that collaboration is what drives this site.
I just saw this comment in another thread:
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I never had a screen issue with my 8125, but I did brick around 7 of them from various issues with flashing custom roms. As long as I was careful with how I worded it, I got a new phone each time.
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I'll be trying a lot of different ROMs.. Does anyone have advice about how to reduce the risks of bricking?
And what causes bricking anyways? Can a ROM tested by other Tilt users work fine on their phone, but brick mine?
Is there any way to fix a bricked Tilt, short of sending it to AT&T? I'm not AT&T customer, so I feel they might not be willing to fix it.
Thank you!
I too would like to know as I'm just getting into this on the Tilt...though I've modded other devices like PSP, Gamecube, Xbox so I'm not completely foreign to it.
First rule of Flashing your device: Read all sticky posts in the Upgrading secion. This would have lead you to HardSPL which is like kevlar for bricking Kaiser.
kyphur said:
First rule of Flashing your device: Read all sticky posts in the Upgrading secion. This would have lead you to HardSPL which is like kevlar for bricking Kaiser.
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I did read the HardSPL thread! But I didn't know that's enough to save the Tilt from most bricking casualties
So assuming we carefully follow all the sticky instructions, the chance of bricking is really small? Any other precautions you recommend?
Thank you!
Kaiser is A-Ok
I have not had any issues with my Kaiser in regards to flashing.
While I have not been through the flashing process as many times as senior members on this site, so far I've tried 5 different roms and have had 100% success.
Like kyphur said, read all of the instructions carefully before flashing.
stickies, wiki's, search, and maybe at least a month of reading all of this if your not a little tech savi, just to give yourself a chance too soak everything in, and to have a good understanding what these hacking tools and custom roms has too offer you!
This started yesterday using dutty's newest hybrid rom on the radio it comes with, i believe its 1.64.14.06, yeah thats it. This radio and rom has worked fine for me with great 3g coverage and everything, rom just seemed a little slower than his apr 09 32mpp rom. I then changed the radio to the niki 1.58.11.07 since that one works the best for me. After flashing, the first phone call i made or recieved worked fine on my jawbone bluetooth. Any call after the first one, completely nothing. Phone shows im connected, seconds tick away on phone showing im connected, person on other end cant hear anything as well as me. Ive tried calling and receiving calls from numerous numbers and people with same problem. I also tried turning off bluetooth and trying the speakerphone or regular ear piece on phone and still same problem. If i soft reset the phone then its back to the start, the first call either made or recieved works fine even on blutooth headset, speaker phone, or ear speaker on front of phone, then every call either made or recieved after the first nothing! I then flashed back to the stock 1.64.14.06 radio with no more problems. I then got tired of the newest hybrid rom since its slower then the previous apr 09 32mpp rom and flashed back to the apr 09 32mpp rom with stock radio 1.64.14.06. After making many calls and recieving many calls since this last flash, the problem just started again now on the apr 09 32mpp rom with the stock 1.64.14.06 radio! The same exact symptoms as before! Everything else works fine like gps, texting, e-mail, I just cant use the main feature of the cell phone which is to TALK to someone! Anyone have any ideas? I was thinking about flashing back to the stock att rom then flashing back to the apr 09 32mpp rom to see if that helps. Like i said before, the apr 09 32mpp rom has worked for me perfect for over 2 weeks until the newest hybrid came out and even the hybrid worked fine for the first few days. No programs are running in the background, no damage done to the phone, never dropped it, phone battery over 75 percent, cant figure out whats wrong? Please, if anyone can help???
Im gonna try to flash back to the niki radio 1.58.11.07 since i used that radio the most on this apr 09 32mpp rom. Still can't figure out what would cause this to happen to my phone for no reason? I havent downloaded any new apps or anything. Just stopped working!
just a thought but shouldnt you have posted this in the relative rom thread instead of starting a new thread but if i were you and liked the radio i had id reflash the same one try it out for a while if it happens again then try a new radio
sd73ta said:
just a thought but shouldnt you have posted this in the relative rom thread instead of starting a new thread but if i were you and liked the radio i had id reflash the same one try it out for a while if it happens again then try a new radio
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Of course i would post this in dutty's rom thread but have you seen his thread? Grows over 1,000 posts a day. The same time im typing up my problem, 10 other problems already got posted and so on. Thats why i posted this as a new thread, not to take up space but to get my problem answered and some help. Yes i did flash back to the niki rom just now and made over 7 calls and recieved a few just phone on my phone but that doesn't mean this problem won't happen in a day or in an hour. Like i stated in the first post, the roms (newest hybrid and apr 09 rom) worked perfect the first few days or even weeks and then BOOM, this problem hits for ? reason. Just looking to see if anyone on here can figure out why this happened so if it does happen again in the future for me or anyone else on this forum they will know how to fix it. Like i said before, i havent damaged my phone, no new cabs or programs added, soft reset my phone and doesn't fix the problem, even flashing to a new rom altogether didnt fix the problem and flashing to a new radio only fixes the problem temporarly.
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deeznuts said:
Of course i would post this in dutty's rom thread but have you seen his thread? Grows over 1,000 posts a day. The same time im typing up my problem, 10 other problems already got posted and so on. Thats why i posted this as a new thread, not to take up space but to get my problem answered and some help. Yes i did flash back to the niki rom just now and made over 7 calls and recieved a few just phone on my phone but that doesn't mean this problem won't happen in a day or in an hour. Like i stated in the first post, the roms (newest hybrid and apr 09 rom) worked perfect the first few days or even weeks and then BOOM, this problem hits for ? reason. Just looking to see if anyone on here can figure out why this happened so if it does happen again in the future for me or anyone else on this forum they will know how to fix it. Like i said before, i havent damaged my phone, no new cabs or programs added, soft reset my phone and doesn't fix the problem, even flashing to a new rom altogether didnt fix the problem and flashing to a new radio only fixes the problem temporarly.
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Wow for your convenience and avoiding 1000 posts thread, you create a new one. What a good idea. I should do the same thing since I'm not English speaker and it's really difficult for me to read in English.
No wonder why you are senior member.
Thanks for the idea.
Hi,
I understand that this is a little bit confusing but, actually, with the same build there are "2" versions the one that is labeled with the 1.65.14.06 radio and the one labeled with 1.64.08.21.
So, Radio 1.65.14.06 & 1.65.17.10 are just compatable with roms labelled 1.65.14.06. this means if you flash another different radio, you'll get the bugs you described...
On the other side, all the other 6.1 radios should work with the second version, labeled with 1.64.08.21. once again, if you flash an att radio (1.65.14.06 or 1.65.17.10) you'll get the bugs you described...
NOTE: RADIO 1.65.17.10 IS NOT RECOMENDED - IT WILL UNABLE THE RE-FLASH PROCESS WITH ANY OTHER RADIO, UNLESS YOU'RE SECURITY UNLOCKED
cheers
Honestly, im more new to the thread and Id have to say.. The most annoying thing and the thing I dont quite understand is how many whiners there on on "posting new threads" as if posting is something sacred that only the best people should be able to do. Now I understand the defense "oh well people post more and more of the same questions.. blah blah" but who the heck is actually making you read these threads? Honestly, id call posting new threads troll bait, because its only the trolls that rush to whine about it. Ive personally never posted a thread, and I never would in this forum. To be realistic, I come on this site almost everyday and see the same crap. Its just loaded with peoples roms on the first page of the forums. Im just saying, give some of these guys a break. Im sure there will be trolls that come in and complain against my post... but oh well. Im sure others have noticed it too
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Honestly, im more new to the thread and Id have to say.. The most annoying thing and the thing I dont quite understand is how many whiners there on on "posting new threads" as if posting is something sacred that only the best people should be able to do. Now I understand the defense "oh well people post more and more of the same questions.. blah blah" but who the heck is actually making you read these threads? Honestly, id call posting new threads troll bait, because its only the trolls that rush to whine about it. Ive personally never posted a thread, and I never would in this forum. To be realistic, I come on this site almost everyday and see the same crap. Its just loaded with peoples roms on the first page of the forums. Im just saying, give some of these guys a break. Im sure there will be trolls that come in and complain against my post... but oh well. Im sure others have noticed it too
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okay let me help u understand why senior members and moderators get ticked when people post new threads:
a) as the name of the site states it is targeted towards developers or people with ability to understand 2+2. developers put there personal time trying to create something better for us without any monetary gain.
b) posting new threads about the same issue pushes real issues down or completely buries them. xda gets close to 100000 hits a day .. imagine if all those people created new threads .. what would happen to threads w/ real issues??
c) it is easier to post and quiker to get a response under a rom thread that u r having problem with. i post under rom that i have issues with and always get an answer unless the problem is my own stupidity which i manage to fix.
d) its part of xda's tos to post under threads that r relevant to ur query.. don't like that? good bye.
e) people post new threads cuz they don't wana read. believe me i know .. but reading is the best thing so read the wiki it can answer all questions like this one.
f) people respond better when they see u r following rules ... if a cop pulled u over and u gav him **** u would probably get in more trouble compared to if u apologized for what u did wrong. same goes here post a new problem and everyone will try to help; post a question that has been answered 10 thousand times u r bound to piss people off.
and i don't think i need say more.
Always someone that has to post back on things subject to common sense which either A) makes that person feel smarter then they actually are or B) feel like without there knowledge, all would be lost. Without your details, I said that main outline of what someone is going to end up whining about, but then again... what made you put so much time and effort into reading my message? for that matter, you even came on this subject and replied to nothing the OP needed and instead, just trolled my message. Obviously you came in this thread to complain, whine, or whatever you call it, noticed my message, and felt my message was a better target.. so here goes. (oh, and I never asked why "senior members" or "moderators" get ticked. It was more people like you "members" lol)
A) Who are you to define peoples questions into interpretations like (2+2)? Maybe because they dont know what YOU know, that doesnt make them stupid. Its people like you who dont realize that people always have to be taught by someone, and im sure you learned all your stuff by reading through 1000s of pages of threads and not posting any yourself... just realize, no ones born with the knowledge.
B) As I said in my previous message, I see mostly ROMS on the first page everytime I come on the site. Not just that, if no one wants to respond to the thread, doesnt it just get lost from there? but usually its the trolls that keep new threads going isnt it? and once again, who are you to define whats a real issue? obvious when people post, they are having issues. For you to say they are worthless is for you to say that your issues are just more important.
C) Ok thats your preference, and your OPINION states that you will get an answer quicker when posting under a rom thread, but honestly... its a matter of personal experience. Theres no evidence that would show posting under an existing thread gets your questions answered quicker, as im sure some people might have done both but have had better experience with posting a new thread.
D) Obviously thats understandable. But to what degree? moderators would "decide" which threads are relevant to what query? Im sure even moderators understand that people are going to post because not everyone has hours to spend looking certain things up. While you can look at two different threads and in your opinion they could be the same, the variations of the two threads could show quite a difference in the solution thats needed for a problem... and just because someone doesnt like someone, is that really how it should be? goodbye?
E) Hah how do YOU know why people are posting? have you done a survey? and dont tell me its common sense. While sometimes it can be because of laziness of reading, it can also be the fact... someone couldnt find what they are looking for. wow imagine someone posting because of that. Maybe the wiki does answer the question, then again, maybe some people looked and didnt know how to interpret the answer to the question so needed to get more advice or opinions.
F) Using an example of a situation thats totally irrelevant to that actual discussion is quite useless IMO. Thats not true all the time.. maybe it means a cop would look around or search you to try to find more evidence to put you up... but id hardly interpret that into "more trouble" then just kissing the cops butt. You used an analogy of a subject thats basically "stand up for yourself and say what you mean, or dont" and that analogy goes both ways. Some situations help you by shutting up, while others dont.
I dont think I need to say more either. While im sure a detailed reply will probably attract more trolls... this was merely just a single reply based on "thesires" direct interpretations, opinions, and outlooks. While I myself believe in many cases new threads shouldnt be started and just post in existing threads, I still remember there are billions of people out there... and a little confusion or misinterpretation is understandable. Theres many situations and solutions ive seen or found..
1) The person who spends his time trolling the forum and finding these type of threads, then disrespectfully and aggressively insults the OP and complains.
2) The kind person who directs the OP to the right place.
3) The person who doesnt care and doesnt want to hear it so doesnt read the thread and watches how it quickly sinks to the bottom because it doesnt get many replies.
My solution is always if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all. If you dont want this thread to stay at the top... dont respond to it.
One last thing, these are my opinions and are that only. They are not regarded by myself, or is it assumed that whats posted above reflects any views of others. It doesnt show anything factual, its just merely an opinion stated. So plz dont spend time arguing that
Siyrah said:
It doesnt show anything factual, its just merely an opinion stated. So plz dont spend time arguing that
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I figured that since you spent so much time editing, checking grammar and punctuation that you might want to know that you forgot the period on the very last sentence.
lol the fact that I didnt edit any grammer at all would just be giving me a compliment. So thanks. I actually edited it to add in the line at the bottom, to tell people that it was opinion based, and not expressing any views of others. That way I wouldnt offend too many people. But geez was that post you made even neccessary? Ill leave the period off on this one too
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lol the fact that I didnt edit any grammer at all would just be giving me a compliment. So thanks. I actually edited it to add in the line at the bottom, to tell people that it was opinion based, and not expressing any views of others. That way I wouldnt offend too many people. But geez was that post you made even neccessary? Ill leave the period off on this one too
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About as necessary as this one. BTW, you misspelled grammar. Anyway, your welcome. Your previous post was quite intelligently written.
Calm down u too, this isnt why i created this thread. Ive been on this site for some time now and have flashed countless roms both on my 8525 and tilt and never had a weird problem like this. That is why i created this thread which i also dont do very often. I guess if it makes everyone happy i could copy and post my problem in the 2 rom threads and see if someone can answer it. Thought this would be easier yes for everyone but i guess not. Admin go ahead and delete this thread i started since it must be taking up too much valuable space on this forum and people are tired of seeing it instead of helping me, thank you.
shadowlabs9 said:
Hi,
I understand that this is a little bit confusing but, actually, with the same build there are "2" versions the one that is labeled with the 1.65.14.06 radio and the one labeled with 1.64.08.21.
So, Radio 1.65.14.06 & 1.65.17.10 are just compatable with roms labelled 1.65.14.06. this means if you flash another different radio, you'll get the bugs you described...
On the other side, all the other 6.1 radios should work with the second version, labeled with 1.64.08.21. once again, if you flash an att radio (1.65.14.06 or 1.65.17.10) you'll get the bugs you described...
NOTE: RADIO 1.65.17.10 IS NOT RECOMENDED - IT WILL UNABLE THE RE-FLASH PROCESS WITH ANY OTHER RADIO, UNLESS YOU'RE SECURITY UNLOCKED
cheers
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I totally understand what ur saying but my problem is even with the stock radio that comes with the rom, 1.65.14.06. I rom worked perfect for about a week with the original radio then this problem started so i changed radios and still didnt help.
I've had this issue too. Less so after disabling Voice command, but it happened again yesterday. The bad this is that you don't realize its gone mute until you try to dial out. Ringtones and all notifications are gone too.
I've had it happen with and without bluetooth and with multiple radios.
there are always recommended actions to take after flashing a rom. You must hard reset after flashing. Weird stuff does happen when you don't hard reset. This could be due to the rom, too acting really funny. You guys probably put it through scenarios where it gets unstable. Theres a good chance these problems are fixed in the newer roms.
I seriously wasnt even concentrated on spelling or "grammar", but I did find it pretty funny out of all the words ive typed, you nailed me on the "grammar" one. Admitantly ive been spelling it that way for a long time, so it made me laugh when I seen your post. Thanks (seriously)
Its my first time rooting. I have a mytouch 3g. What are some things I should know about? Some do's and some don't. One thing I am confused about is this 32A and 32B thing. Also What causes a phone to be bricked and what should I do to prevent that? What is a good easy to follow tutorial(preferably video-tho I found couple on youtube already)? And if I install the Hero ROM do I get all the capabilities of a HTC Hero.
ok, I just rooted mine and I'm complete noob with this stuff.
Number 1: Read twice, Think twice, Do Once.
Number 2: 32A and 32B is the type of motherboard your phone has. You can check which version you have by powering down your phone, then hold power+back until you get into the fastboot menu. It will say 32A or 32B somewhere there.
If you want videos, check out www.theunlockr.com (thats where I started, then used the Relentless application found in these forums to finish the process.)
and number three
dont post this in development, this has nothing to do with development and belongs in q&a.. its no wonder these threads are a mess.
Umm okay, i saw some vids of this One click root or something like that. Would that work?? And sorry about the post, I was under the Sapphire forum and didn't know where else to put it.
It should work but the main thing is if your unsure about rooting it don't do it, when your unsure of things that leads you too make stupid mistakes which will always lead to a brick
rooting your phone is quite stressful (even when you understand it) because you never know when it might just not turn back on...
my suggestion to you is simple....
your unsure now so the best way to go about it is doing your research until your 110% sure of what you are doing
rooting isn't just going to disappear tomorrow, and that gives you plenty of time to research and understand before you make a bricking mistake
Alright thanks, but I'm not sure where to go to do my research.. I'm trying to put posts up to look for answers as of right now.
There are threads popping up everywhere of users who have bricked there devices..here in the past few days. It has gotten ridiculous. anyone who has been in multiple forums on xda can tell you the same thing i am...I have never seen so many bricks on a device.
Is it the device a problem maybe with the skyrocket???? NO
99.9999 percent of the time bricks are caused by user error. Like it or not its true.
On the very rare occasion .. it is an actual rom/kernel problem......its rare because roms are rigorously tested by the developer before posting to the masses...
So Please if your just getting into roting and flashing or not familiar with Samsung phones.......
read the roms thread. see if people are having issues or if u can find posts by others who are running the rom/kernel combo. that your are about to flash.
understand fully without doubts the process. of rooting...custom recoveries. and any kind of flashing. weather it be kernel/rom/modem/themes/mods.......
BECOME FAMILIAR WITH ODIN HAVE IT AVAILABLE AND KNOW HOW USE IT...
HAVE THE STOCK TAR AND STOCK RECOVERY TAR HANDY
under stand what a nandroid backup is and how to backup, and restore them.
NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER FLASH A ROM NOT IN THE SKYROCKET DEVELOPMENT SECTION ON YOUR SKYROCKET.
( unless u know the deal with the t989 ) and understand that process fully
READ READ READ READ....THERE ARE guides on everything you could ever want to do to a skyrocket...in the general section......read them ..spare yourself the trouble of destroying a very nice expensive phone.........
people asking am i bricked would know if they were if they had read any of the imperative,readily available information.
to sum up read always read everything u can. before tampering with your phone....
you will very rarely see a seasoned member posting am i bricked or help what did i do threads..............This is because they read, and obtained the proper knowledge. before proceeding.....
now heres the goodies that need to be read......ATLEAST the most important ones, that will solve most issues...
[THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD IS TO HELP EVERYONE OUT....BECAUSE WE ALL HATE TO SEE PEOPLE BRICK THERE DEVICES.......
but if u choose to ignore the above information,,,,,then that is on u and u will brick u may get away with a few flashes and softbricks.....but its just a matter of time
HERES THE GOODIES>>>>ATLEAST THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES
[REF] All in One guide for NOOBS!http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=4312138 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^READ THIS FIRST^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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[HOWTO][TAR] THE ODIN THREAD :: Return to stock, fix soft brick :: 11/13: Rogers TAR! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1342348 Originally Posted By: k0nane
after you have read the all in one guide and the tar/odin thread and have them downloaded, and understood
then proceed here The "all-in-one-location" XDA Skyrocket General Info/Root Method/Kernel/ROM Thread!
Originally Posted By: InSaiyanone http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383464
if u have read all of the above you should now have a pretty decent understanding. of the skyrocket, and rooting , and roms,kernels,modems......
NOW ITS TIME TO PARTY GO HERE THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383464
IF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ABOVE INFORMATION......YOU CAN FEEL CONFIDENT YOUR SAFE FROM BRICKING......aside from the rare unusual freak situation, where u did everything correct. and your phone killed itself
Good post.
Also, people who have bricked and make a new thread. We want to help you, but please for the love of god give as much information as possible. The incidents of these 'ghost bricks' where people have said they have done everything correctly is rising, yet the accompanying details are lacking. It is scary thought that our phone can brick itself on a normal flash .001% of the time, but we don't even know if this is true because of a lack of information.
I think this is a nice post in light of the present circumstances that different users (n00bs, if you will) are facing. I have been a big fan of reading multiple times before trying on something and probably that is one thing that have saved me from getting my phone useless. And with such informative guides by developers like Silver we should always read everything for sure...
Thanks a ton Silver for all that you do and I will be trying your Silver ROM as soon as I am done posting this
Thanks for posting this Silver. I don't mind helping people who've run into trouble--I actually like it since I've run into the same problems myself (including a hard brick--my own user error, admittedly...).
If any of the people starting new threads took a minute to search, they would find that their question has been answered a hundred times. But I'll generally cut them some slack and just try to help since when you think you've bricked your phone you tend to be in a total state of panic and don't think to search first.
Thanks for the post. Coming from a Captivate over to a Skyrocket wasn't too bad of a transition, but my Captivate would have been bricked most definitely unless I read 2 or 3 DIFFERENT guides and watched a couple vids on YouTube. Please read and reread and then read some more
i just got into US 4 2 weeks,
and had my skyrocket at the 2nd day in US,
i just rooted it few days ago,
it's easy for me to root it ,
just follow the rules,
don't make any mistakes.
and you can enjoy different kinds of roms
Ordered a new (refurb) skyrocket and am going to root
Hi all.
Very green noob here.
I just ordered my skyrocket from AT&T. They have refurbished going for $19.99 for those looking. I'm coming off from a Samsung Impression. "It's ancient, it's ugly..." for those loving Nightmare before Christmas.....
Anyhow, when I get it I am going to play with it for a day or so and then root it(or attempt to), and put the Cyanogen mod and clockwork mod. Hope I know what I'm talking about.
I've been reading everything for weeks now and am going to re-read again all of the links mentioned by Silver03wrx at the top. Thanks in advance.
Two questions, though.
I want Ice Cream Sandwich on it.
1. Any recommendations which to do first, ie upgrade to ICS and then Root?
and
2. I am going to back up the stock set up first. If I screw up and brick it, can it be restored? I have read that a soft brick can, but I do not recall ever seeing mention of restoring from hard bricking. Maybe I missed it.
Any proactive help is much appreciated.
Thanks
I would do the ICS install and then root
As for bringing... We've lost a lot of good men out there to hard bricks, which is one of the reasons you got a Skyrocket for 20 bucks lol
Soft bricking happens all the time, not too hard to recover from. Hard bricks are very difficult. There's a dude out there who repairs a hard brick $50 or in that range
Just follow instructions and you'll be fine
Non-bricked Skyrocket since 2-11-2012
Thanks for the guidance Shootoo.
Thanks
Thanks for the tip! Big help!
Def READ UP ON ODIN
I made the mistake of thinking Odin was like superoneclick, it either works or doesn't, IT IS NOT. You can seriously mess up your device if your not careful. I would know, Cause I bricked the Epic 4G Touch, Luckily by the time I got to the skyrocket, I had personal Experience. LOL
Thanks for the info.
Just wanted to say thanks for this thread. I'm experimenting with rooting my girlfriend's Skyrocket and if I can avoid bricking her phone, well that would be great
Thanks for the great post
Hi, I've been hanging around XDA for a few years now, and this is one of the most complete posts for rooting a device I have seen. I have a Galaxy S Fascinate with VzW, and had a big learning curve on it.
I recently finished rooting/modding it to run CM9 ICS 4.0.4 and am looking to take advantage of the dual core processor for better performance than my 1st Gen Fascinate.
Thanks for all the great work!
TB
Very important to read and read and read again...
I've bricked my phone but I knew that this could happen before attempting it and had read enough prior to trying out a rom. I had a backup plan just in case from all the great posts here.
When my SR bricked, I didn't panick... much. . I just spent another few minutes with the leaked ICS and everything was working again.
Bricked... No wait...
I thought I bricked my phone. Started checking everything and after discovering the one of my USB ports won't support my phone correctly, I was able to restore my phone with ODIN.
One thing I did notice once I recovered is that when using that port, ADB would error and time out. I though it was a driver, then cable issue, but it was the port.
In the future to test my phone and make sure it is fully accessible, I'm going to run ADB and drop into shell mode to make sure my cable and port are working.
OP: Can you please add following instruction in bold red
Check your device before flashing. FLASH AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727 ROMS ONLY
I have read 2-3 threads with folks bricking their SGS2 skyrocket by flashing other roms.
cnewsgrp said:
OP: Can you please add following instruction in bold red
Check your device before flashing. FLASH AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket SGH-I727 ROMS ONLY
I have read 2-3 threads with folks bricking their SGS2 skyrocket by flashing other roms.
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He does in point 6.
6. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER FLASH A ROM NOT IN THE SKYROCKET DEVELOPMENT SECTION ON YOUR SKYROCKET.
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What the op should add is the fact that leaked ICS kernel's can hard brick a phone. A shame considering almost every rom released in the last few months is based on the leak. You can read more about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
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What the op should add is the fact that leaked ICS kernel's can hard brick a phone. A shame considering almost every rom released in the last few months is based on the leak. You can read more about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644364
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Actually most are safe because we use GB recoveries. I think only CM9 based ROM using non GB recoveries are at risk.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium
Read up and Fear Not: The true bueaty of Android!
I am realatively new to Android, especially when it comes to development and customization, but I have much experience with hardward tinkering and hacking over the years. That said, since I got my SkyRocket I am HOOKED! I have managed to flash my S2S through six or so different ROMs, starting from GB stock to Cyanogen then to the ICS. Just 2 days ago my PC glitched while flashing through ODIN and my phone turned to stone. ODIN wouldn't see it, ClockworkMod was gone, all my data/backups...EVERYTHING. I thought it was over. However, with persistence, the forums and some gumption, I was able to bring it back from the brink! As long as you take your time and keep at it, everything you need to be a pro (or at least feel like one with your own devices) is here somewhere and no device should have to suffer the boring stock life again!!! Thanks to all the devs and moderators for keeping us dabbling, Great Post Silver!