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COURAGE:-) MDAIII - Key remapping project

Hi all ...
we need some (maybe a lot) help from programmers to try to remap the hard keyboard keys from mda3.
As many guys know, we are a lot that we buy the mda3 with german hard keyboard layout... and now that we all have an english os, we must remap the key and symbols.
Any idea will be appreciated, we have all files from german os an english os.
Nobody want to broke the keyboard to glue the buttons in other place...
Nobody now how and where can order another english keyboard and replace it phisically.
Remain two thinks:
1. find the file with the layout and remap the symbols via hex edit
2. recompile a new layout (and here may be usefull for future progs)
All idea wiil be apreciated, all guru's invited
Please help us ... we can not take advantage of the new hard keyboard in this mode.
Thanks all before and...
COURAGE FOR ALL NEW POSTS THAT MUST BE UPDATED(POSTED) !!!
DenisJ

Actually, keys and numbers are fine. It's punctuation that is almost impossible to use unless you have a good memory
From what I remember of the old thread that got wasted, a few things were looked at but it seems harder than it should. You would think one or two files transferred from the PDA2K to the MDA III, like a keyboard dll and a mapping data file, would do the trick but, as usual with engineers, they made it harder than it should.

I can suggest another way for this remapping: just writing a kind of program lookind for keypressings and substitute them with another keystrokes.
I've already done it for Russian keyboard (project home page is http://ae.inc.ru/bahrus.html , but it is Russian only). Current state is "beta".
I can do some key remappings this way. But I need to know which of the keys should be replaced with which one. Or replacement table may be simply saved in config.

I'll do a tabel with the replaced hex value ...
You need only the xex value for this or need more ?
Thanks a lot
Denis

Let's try (before find all remapping simbol) to remap only the two letters z and y.
Symbolic constant Value (Hex) keyboard equivalent
VK_Y 59 Y key
VK_Z 5A Z key
like ... if '59' then '5A' and viceversa...
If we can remap this two letters, we can remap all we want.
Thanks a lot
Denis

german to english
since the site posts went down i have received my mda3 in german of course and would love to know how to flash it with an english rom, all other threads however speak of xda3nbftool which i can't find anywhere, also many of the links for required files don't work. any help please?? thank you

Re: german to english
paulmurphy777 said:
since the site posts went down i have received my mda3 in german of course and would love to know how to flash it with an english rom, all other threads however speak of xda3nbftool which i can't find anywhere, also many of the links for required files don't work. any help please?? thank you
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Go here:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/
and look for Bluangel folder.
Regards

Ok, I decided to implement more general solution for this problem and develop customizable hardware key-remapping software. This application wil allow to remap not only BlueAngel built-in keyboard but almost any hardware keybord connected to wince (some of my friends use Luch or Flexis external keyboards with PDA).
Hope first beta version will appear next week.

thank you!, sure i'll be back with more questions though!

Fantastic!
I'm excited about this

AE said:
Ok, I decided to implement more general solution for this problem and develop customizable hardware key-remapping software. This application wil allow to remap not only BlueAngel built-in keyboard but almost any hardware keybord connected to wince (some of my friends use Luch or Flexis external keyboards with PDA).
Hope first beta version will appear next week.
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Wow, that's great news. (exactly what I wanted to hear!) Keep up the good work. (you rock)

AEKMap is available at http://ae.inc.ru/aekmap.html
To make "remapping" you need:
- install the program;
- run Start - Programs - AEKMap Settings and choose "AZERTY MDAIII with English ROM" in first combo box
- set three other optional layouts to "unassigned" and/or unassign "switch" key.
If you want to create specific layout, you may start with editing one of the existing. Use \Program Files\AEKMap\AEKMapScan.exe to define keyboard pseudo-scan codes.
To find unicode character codes use Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Character Map on your desktop
This program may be closed with popup menu on system tray (lower-right corner of today screen).
And I'm definitly sure that some bugs are in this utility now. Let me know if you find them
Also send me with your layouts to be published on site (will appear in a days)
P.S.: AEKMapper may be used to remap almost any external or built-in hardware keyboard recognized by system.

AWESOME!
Thanks for doing this. If i understand correctly, what's needed now to get the German MDA III keyboard mapped correctly, following the imate english rom installation, is to:
use AEKmapscan.exe to identify all the keys that need remapping
then look up the correct unicode characters for the desired keymapping
enter them into a .AEK file and put into the Program Files/AEKMap directory on the MDA III.
If i get some free time today, that's what I'll do. If anybody beats me to it, please post!
thanks again, AE!

So here is a mostly working layout file for the MDAIII German. The only thing that seems to be not working is the semicolon/colon key just to the right of the space bar. that key seems to have no shifted mode, according to aekmapscan.exe
also: if aekmapscan.exe is running, this appears to stop the keyboard from working at all in applications. it needs to be stopped entirely.
Thanks again for this great tool!

It is always nice to know your job is needful to someone
As for the problem with semicolon: changing CapsLock/Shift processing flags should help:
HookShift 1
HookCapsLock 1
Probably I'll find a better solution for this later, but now I can't...
Official project home page will be available at http://ae.inc.ru/aekmap.html

thanks for the tool, works great. Can you add an option to not have the mapping name on the bottom, i.e. DenisJ Layout? It covers up the wireless icon that I use to turn Wifi on & off.
thanks again for the app

you already can turn it off. that's the "hint" option in the settings.

A parts from thanks the great job from AE, i wan't to try to ask a question:
In the registry there's a part...
HKCU/Keyboard Layout that have a profile value..
Could it be usefull..
My German Mda3 have... preload/1 set to e0010409.
Can anyone post the english Pda2K value...
Rups..

Bug report
AEKMap works quite well, thanks to the developer!
But...
I noticed that, when AEKMap is on, you can´t adjust sound/volume levels from the external button on the left side of the screen. Is that a bug or a feature? :roll:
Second thing is that if you switch the AEKMap off, you can switch it on only by softreset. Is that ment to be?
Can anyone confirm those features, or is it just in my MDAIII?
-Jigi

Sorry guys but i just arive from my fisrt (this year) snowboard weekend
AE many many thanks from me and (as can you see) from all other guys with the same german mda3...
I just tryed some days ago to begin something like this using EVC++ 4.0 ... but it's too much to study for an as400 programmer
This will be surrely in my startup programs for a log live time of my mda3...
Surelly we will ask you some options in future ...
Another lot of thanks
DenisJ

{Solved} Kaiser harware keyboard keys remapping

All keyboard layouts are hardcoded in keypad.dll.
Look any any hex editor at offset 0x1d8c0 (in current version of this dll, but can be easily found in newer released - see screenshot).
It contains national characters in unicode (like russian ones), FN+ combinations, etc.
Now you can map keys the way you like.
Hi! Does anybody know how to remap keys in english layout the way you like (for example, dvorak layout?) Also I would like to change some FN+key to my very own. I know there is AEKMap software, but I'm curiuos is it possible to make it editing some files (dll or configuration or registry) and flashing them with ROM (or just overwriting in \windows folder). The first and simplest task to start with I would like to remap FN+Q to print @ symbol (instead of !), and FN+W to print ! symbol (instead of @). Who knows how to do that?
p.s.: and what cwslayout=1 registry key is actually for? i've googled for "CWSLayout" and found nothing but links to our forum

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\KEYBD]
"CurLang"=dword:0000040c
"CWSLayout"=dword:00000000
this is for french vesion, so "CurLang"=dword:00000409 is for english, and "CurLang"=dword:00000804 is for CHS, OK, change it to what ever you want.

i'm not talking about layouts... I'm talking about mappings. imagine i want to make a dvorak mappings for wm. this is what i need to do... imagine i've opened my device, and changed all keys in hardware- so instead of qwertyuiop you will see poiuytrewq for example. and want WM also print correct characters as i made in my new hardware keyboard...

updated first post

qooqoo said:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\KEYBD]
"CurLang"=dword:0000040c
"CWSLayout"=dword:00000000
this is for french vesion, so "CurLang"=dword:00000409 is for english, and "CurLang"=dword:00000804 is for CHS, OK, change it to what ever you want.
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HI I am not a expert in that so can help me.
I have got the duttty's ROM whitch is in english with a qwerty keyboard and I 'd like to get a french keyboard does it exist a cab for that ? If not can you explain to me how to do ??
Thanks

Nice research and finding, mate....
Very ussefull to flash WWE in non english Kaiser and go back to localized mappings for the hard keybd
Cheers...
JugglerLKR said:
All keyboard layouts are hardcoded in keypad.dll.
Look any any hex editor at offset 0x1d8c0 (in current version of this dll, but can be easily found in newer released - see screenshot).
It contains national characters in unicode (like russian ones), FN+ combinations, etc.
Now you can map keys the way you like.
Hi! Does anybody know how to remap keys in english layout the way you like (for example, dvorak layout?) Also I would like to change some FN+key to my very own. I know there is AEKMap software, but I'm curiuos is it possible to make it editing some files (dll or configuration or registry) and flashing them with ROM (or just overwriting in \windows folder). The first and simplest task to start with I would like to remap FN+Q to print @ symbol (instead of !), and FN+W to print ! symbol (instead of @). Who knows how to do that?
p.s.: and what cwslayout=1 registry key is actually for? i've googled for "CWSLayout" and found nothing but links to our forum
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qooqoo said:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\KEYBD]
"CurLang"=dword:0000040c
"CWSLayout"=dword:00000000
this is for french vesion, so "CurLang"=dword:00000409 is for english, and "CurLang"=dword:00000804 is for CHS, OK, change it to what ever you want.
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Hi,
sorry but what is CHS
Keep up the pressure !!

gijo1 said:
Hi,
sorry but what is CHS
Keep up the pressure !!
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Simplified Chinese characters

i'm going to take my first step into hex editing. can you recommend hex editor freeware and setup-free ?

JugglerLKR said:
All keyboard layouts are hardcoded in keypad.dll.
Look any any hex editor at offset 0x1d8c0 (in current version of this dll, but can be easily found in newer released - see screenshot).
It contains national characters in unicode (like russian ones), FN+ combinations, etc.
Now you can map keys the way you like.
Hi! Does anybody know how to remap keys in english layout the way you like (for example, dvorak layout?) Also I would like to change some FN+key to my very own. I know there is AEKMap software, but I'm curiuos is it possible to make it editing some files (dll or configuration or registry) and flashing them with ROM (or just overwriting in \windows folder). The first and simplest task to start with I would like to remap FN+Q to print @ symbol (instead of !), and FN+W to print ! symbol (instead of @). Who knows how to do that?
p.s.: and what cwslayout=1 registry key is actually for? i've googled for "CWSLayout" and found nothing but links to our forum
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I have no idea about what CWSLayout really mean, but it's just solved the problem of "FN+Q to print ! ...". I got FN+Q to print @ since I set CWSLayout to 0.

Same problem
gijo1 said:
HI I am not a expert in that so can help me.
I have got the duttty's ROM whitch is in english with a qwerty keyboard and I 'd like to get a french keyboard does it exist a cab for that ? If not can you explain to me how to do ??
Thanks
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I also have dutty's rom which is in English, but my Kaiser hardware was bought in HK, meaning the original OS was in Traditional Chinese. Whenever I type Fn+S, do not print _ , but print " , i want to fix it so that i type Fn+S Kaiser can print _, just like the keyboard shows.

bruxe said:
I have no idea about what CWSLayout really mean, but it's just solved the problem of "FN+Q to print ! ...". I got FN+Q to print @ since I set CWSLayout to 0.
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im gonna take a stab at it and CWS probably stands for Cingular WirelesS... Even though its now att the CID is still CWS
SO, if you dont have an ATT tilt, then i would suggest either setting that string to 0, or deleting it!

I think that I have the same problem.
I am completly new to this, and I appreciate any help.
I live and work in China, and I just bought an HTC TYTN II (it is the Taiwan version) and some of the keys are different from my friend's Vodafone 1615. I am trying to figure out how to flash the phone into English, and it seems that when I will do that, that some of the keys will not do what is printed on the key itself. Can anyone tell me what to do? Is there a specific English Rom flash for my phone, or will I need to learn how to re-map the keys after I flash it to English, or should I just take the phone back (My phone is still brand new.) and trade it for the Vodafone 1615? I like the look of this TYTN II that I picked out better, but if I am going to have to put up with keys which don't match correctly, then I prefer to just trade it for the Vodafone.
Thanks for any help.

but it's just solved the problem of "FN+Q to print ! ...". I got FN+Q to print @ since I set CWSLayout to 0.
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I had a similar problem, just that FN+Q would print @ and not ! even though ! was what was printed on the keyboard.
i didnt find a CWSLayout string so i made one and set it to 1 and now it finally shows up on the screen just like how its printed on the keyboard.

bruxe said:
I have no idea about what CWSLayout really mean, but it's just solved the problem of "FN+Q to print ! ...". I got FN+Q to print @ since I set CWSLayout to 0.
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shogunmark said:
im gonna take a stab at it and CWS probably stands for Cingular WirelesS... Even though its now att the CID is still CWS
SO, if you dont have an ATT tilt, then i would suggest either setting that string to 0, or deleting it!
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Hi, bringing up the old post, but it might shade some light for others with similar issues:
I have a QWERTY layout, but it appears that although "Y" was in its place - some of the "Fn+" characters were not:
Q W E R T Y
@ ! ? / # 1
As I see from the posts above - you guys has "!" mapped to "Q".
Now - on my Kaiser, although with English layout, the Function + characters are mapped differently. And you have the paramenter CWS set as 1?
I had it also, and I mistyped most of my Fn+ characters (Fn+Q = ! instead of = @ and so on...).
(thanks to you and these posts) I set CWSLayout=0, and did a soft reset.
Now - I have an @ in place of Q and all the other characters mapped according to my hardware keyboard.
Once again - thanks.
p.s. - I just wanted to "elaborate" a bit more for the guys with this issue so it could be more clear...

Keyboard layout support for wm6 roms?

Hello,
I'm from switzerland, using a qtek 9000 with original wm5 Rom. I've tried several wm6 Roms yet, which all were fast and handy... the only reason to go back to my original rom, was the keyboard support (swiss german uses äöiü a lot) which simply wasn't there. I've tried tons of Registry hacks and all possible combinations of them, without success.. May it be possible, that the keyboard layout settings for swiss ger aren't even on these roms? Where are they stored? Since I've no experience on cooking roms, i dont know how to solve this problem. Any Idea?
(May it be, that the keybddr.dll has a influence on the keyboard-layout? how would i get this file from my old rom into the new one?)

alderan said:
Since I've no experience on cooking roms, i dont know how to solve this problem. Any Idea?
(May it be, that the keybddr.dll has a influence on the keyboard-layout? how would i get this file from my old rom into the new one?)
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I have an italian keyboard profile, after each ROM upgrade I usually change the registri key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\Qwerty\Layout
Write down the value of you current ROM and set it after the upgrade.
This will solve your problem about the real keyboard (N.B. this change doesn't affect the soft keyboard, since I'm not interested in that one I never searched for a solution).
Marco.

Thanks for your help, but as i wrote in my first post, i tried a whole lot of registry keys (the one you mentioned now once again) without success.. I can get the original qwerty Layout to a qwertz, but the äöü.. are not to type as i can do in the original swiss german one (a+sym, u+sym usw). Any other ideas?

You need to edit \Windows\sym.txt (or sym.0409.txt or whichever one you use).
The file is simple text file and I am sure you will understand it's syntaxe when you see it.
This solution is for hardware keyboard only. It doesn't affect the onscreen keyboard.
btw. You can of course copy the one from your old ROM with working keyboard.

Input > auto suggest = useless?

With my TyTN = Hermes and WM6.0 the autosuggestion of words seems much better than the Raphaels (at least in the hardware keybord stance).
Can someone explain why that is or if I have haven´t understood the utility or something else right?
With TyTN it basically suggests 4 alternatives in a diagonal way, it can be one word or SEVERAL words in a row, depending on what I´we written before. And you choose from them with the upp and down arrow keys. Simple and quick.
With Raphael it suggests several ONLY singular words horisontally, and if it´s not in the dictionary it automatically chooses another word than the one you´we just written (!?). Slow and awkward.
Also - who is behind this solution? Windows Mobile 6.1 or is it HTC Raphaels unique solution?
Thanks in advance
/Danne

Anybody have an opinion or information on this matter?
At least the system is a part of WM6.1 or if it´s Raphaels unique solution? Because I´m thinking about buying a Kaiser with WM6.1 instead and wonder if it has the same solution.

Sorry, no additional info, but I'm in the same boat so to speak.
I find it completely useless, specially since I don't always use English in my SMS messages, and I found that it becomes a nightmare if it doesn't find a match and then forces my word to something it thinks it should be.
What I cannot understand is that under Settings-Personal-Input-Word Completion - I have DISABLED it, but it still friking tries to complete my words, even in keyboard mode???
Do you know of another place to disable this dastardly excuse of a feature?

HAH!
Found it! If you want to disable it completely, the do the following:
1) make sure you disable it under settings - all settings - personal - Word Completion.
2) When you open a new message, bring up the virtual keyboard and look for the button that reads "ABC T9" - it has a toggle on the button, make sure it is on "ABC" and NOT T9 -voila!
Now I can SMS again!

I´m glad I was not the only one being irritated about this. But at least it´s possible to turn it off, so thanks for posting the solution Piie
I actually returned my TP because of this and severeal other reasons but I´m thinking about buying it again or some other WM6.1 phone. So do you know if your solution to turn if of works with Word Mobile documents as well?
And still, if somebody knows if it´s part of Raphael or WM6.1, please let me know.

Agreed 100% on the uselessness of word completion feature on the TP. On mine, the T9 feature actually slows the sms application so much as to make it completely unusable. This is probably my biggest complaint with this device.

Yip, following the steps as posted also removes the predictive text completely for Word ( and all other apps I have used so far)...

Thanks piie

I believe its part of the TP keyboard (SIP) not WM6.1 , when i had my kaiser with wm6.1 this "IRRITATING" issue was not there, but when i installed the diamond keyboard on my kaiser, this thing came out...... now its part of the TP because of its keyboard.......... so its HTC

I was getting annoyed with the behavior described in posts 1 and 2, disableds the whole thing too (I had an Excalibur before and it seemed to work far better on this particular aspect).
However, I decided to give the TP's T9 another shot and started changing it's configurations and finally got rid of the annoiance related: when on a text field, bring up the T9 options by pressing "Fn" + "Space", select "T9" settings and on the screen that appears uncheck the "Spell Correction" and "Auto-substitution" boxes.
Now I'm using the word prediction (T9) again just like I used in my old device, tipying much faster! (specially because I commonly write in portuguese and my keyboard is the UK one...).
Hope this helps you guys.
Cheers.

Sweet!
So you can still have predictive text, but remove the actual "irritant" of it overriding your word if it doesn't match it's dictionery - seems like that is the answer to your problem Danne?
For me - I really don't care for ANY kind of prediction - most often than not, even in English, the suggestions are maybe 30% usefull if that...

Great!
Yes, this is solution and now I know it´s part of Raphael/Diamond and not WM6.1!
Still, the Hermes WM6-solution with prediction of several words based on what you previously have written seems better. But I am happy with this!
I guess that´s the last words for me in this discussion.
Thanks guys!

just wondering how to disable word completion without installing htc ezinput, because at input settings by disabling it, doesn't work at all.

here's everything you need to know on how to get back to the old style autocorrect and change your dictionaries: http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=1527

That however breaks your hardware keyboard
sym key will stop working and you can't get pound and euro sign using FN key....
see my thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=470647

WM6.5 original keyboard

Hi to all,
I'd like to install the original keyboard (usable with the stylus) present on WM6.5 original rom. Can anyone help me to find the cab?
sometimes it's very useful because it leave more room for the background application
Thanks
tistian

I need the same!
Are you looking for the stylus keyboard present on devices prior to the Pro 2? If yes, then I have been searching for the same. I have recently found a registry edit to get it to work. Currently testing. Shall let you know if it works.

I'm look forword it
Thanks

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When you guys talk of "stylus" keyboard, are you ref. to the tiny querty keaybord seen in windows mobile 6.1?

Yes, that's what we want. I am currently having a HD2 TOUS being delivered to me and I am waiting for it.
In advance, I am reseraching my tinkering options with this device. I still have my old yet enduring Himalaya by hand. I'll try and see if I can do some tweaks by copying files from my Himalaya to Leo. Will post updates if I am successful.
I found the solution. Please bump if anyone is interested, as I have lost the links and sources and it will be tedious to me to find and re-credit my sources.
However, should you want to do it yourself, the solution is basically finding the right keys that correspond to the old keyboard you want (i.e. Keyboard, Block Recognizer, Handwriting recognizer) under HKCR\CLSID and changing the data of the value of key "IsSipInputMethod" to 1, then downloading SIPChange to select that keyboard. You need SIPChange as it is the only way to select the keyboard without HTC Input taking over.