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COURAGE:-) MDAIII - Key remapping project

Hi all ...
we need some (maybe a lot) help from programmers to try to remap the hard keyboard keys from mda3.
As many guys know, we are a lot that we buy the mda3 with german hard keyboard layout... and now that we all have an english os, we must remap the key and symbols.
Any idea will be appreciated, we have all files from german os an english os.
Nobody want to broke the keyboard to glue the buttons in other place...
Nobody now how and where can order another english keyboard and replace it phisically.
Remain two thinks:
1. find the file with the layout and remap the symbols via hex edit
2. recompile a new layout (and here may be usefull for future progs)
All idea wiil be apreciated, all guru's invited
Please help us ... we can not take advantage of the new hard keyboard in this mode.
Thanks all before and...
COURAGE FOR ALL NEW POSTS THAT MUST BE UPDATED(POSTED) !!!
DenisJ

Actually, keys and numbers are fine. It's punctuation that is almost impossible to use unless you have a good memory
From what I remember of the old thread that got wasted, a few things were looked at but it seems harder than it should. You would think one or two files transferred from the PDA2K to the MDA III, like a keyboard dll and a mapping data file, would do the trick but, as usual with engineers, they made it harder than it should.

I can suggest another way for this remapping: just writing a kind of program lookind for keypressings and substitute them with another keystrokes.
I've already done it for Russian keyboard (project home page is http://ae.inc.ru/bahrus.html , but it is Russian only). Current state is "beta".
I can do some key remappings this way. But I need to know which of the keys should be replaced with which one. Or replacement table may be simply saved in config.

I'll do a tabel with the replaced hex value ...
You need only the xex value for this or need more ?
Thanks a lot
Denis

Let's try (before find all remapping simbol) to remap only the two letters z and y.
Symbolic constant Value (Hex) keyboard equivalent
VK_Y 59 Y key
VK_Z 5A Z key
like ... if '59' then '5A' and viceversa...
If we can remap this two letters, we can remap all we want.
Thanks a lot
Denis

german to english
since the site posts went down i have received my mda3 in german of course and would love to know how to flash it with an english rom, all other threads however speak of xda3nbftool which i can't find anywhere, also many of the links for required files don't work. any help please?? thank you

Re: german to english
paulmurphy777 said:
since the site posts went down i have received my mda3 in german of course and would love to know how to flash it with an english rom, all other threads however speak of xda3nbftool which i can't find anywhere, also many of the links for required files don't work. any help please?? thank you
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Go here:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/
and look for Bluangel folder.
Regards

Ok, I decided to implement more general solution for this problem and develop customizable hardware key-remapping software. This application wil allow to remap not only BlueAngel built-in keyboard but almost any hardware keybord connected to wince (some of my friends use Luch or Flexis external keyboards with PDA).
Hope first beta version will appear next week.

thank you!, sure i'll be back with more questions though!

Fantastic!
I'm excited about this

AE said:
Ok, I decided to implement more general solution for this problem and develop customizable hardware key-remapping software. This application wil allow to remap not only BlueAngel built-in keyboard but almost any hardware keybord connected to wince (some of my friends use Luch or Flexis external keyboards with PDA).
Hope first beta version will appear next week.
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Wow, that's great news. (exactly what I wanted to hear!) Keep up the good work. (you rock)

AEKMap is available at http://ae.inc.ru/aekmap.html
To make "remapping" you need:
- install the program;
- run Start - Programs - AEKMap Settings and choose "AZERTY MDAIII with English ROM" in first combo box
- set three other optional layouts to "unassigned" and/or unassign "switch" key.
If you want to create specific layout, you may start with editing one of the existing. Use \Program Files\AEKMap\AEKMapScan.exe to define keyboard pseudo-scan codes.
To find unicode character codes use Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Character Map on your desktop
This program may be closed with popup menu on system tray (lower-right corner of today screen).
And I'm definitly sure that some bugs are in this utility now. Let me know if you find them
Also send me with your layouts to be published on site (will appear in a days)
P.S.: AEKMapper may be used to remap almost any external or built-in hardware keyboard recognized by system.

AWESOME!
Thanks for doing this. If i understand correctly, what's needed now to get the German MDA III keyboard mapped correctly, following the imate english rom installation, is to:
use AEKmapscan.exe to identify all the keys that need remapping
then look up the correct unicode characters for the desired keymapping
enter them into a .AEK file and put into the Program Files/AEKMap directory on the MDA III.
If i get some free time today, that's what I'll do. If anybody beats me to it, please post!
thanks again, AE!

So here is a mostly working layout file for the MDAIII German. The only thing that seems to be not working is the semicolon/colon key just to the right of the space bar. that key seems to have no shifted mode, according to aekmapscan.exe
also: if aekmapscan.exe is running, this appears to stop the keyboard from working at all in applications. it needs to be stopped entirely.
Thanks again for this great tool!

It is always nice to know your job is needful to someone
As for the problem with semicolon: changing CapsLock/Shift processing flags should help:
HookShift 1
HookCapsLock 1
Probably I'll find a better solution for this later, but now I can't...
Official project home page will be available at http://ae.inc.ru/aekmap.html

thanks for the tool, works great. Can you add an option to not have the mapping name on the bottom, i.e. DenisJ Layout? It covers up the wireless icon that I use to turn Wifi on & off.
thanks again for the app

you already can turn it off. that's the "hint" option in the settings.

A parts from thanks the great job from AE, i wan't to try to ask a question:
In the registry there's a part...
HKCU/Keyboard Layout that have a profile value..
Could it be usefull..
My German Mda3 have... preload/1 set to e0010409.
Can anyone post the english Pda2K value...
Rups..

Bug report
AEKMap works quite well, thanks to the developer!
But...
I noticed that, when AEKMap is on, you can´t adjust sound/volume levels from the external button on the left side of the screen. Is that a bug or a feature? :roll:
Second thing is that if you switch the AEKMap off, you can switch it on only by softreset. Is that ment to be?
Can anyone confirm those features, or is it just in my MDAIII?
-Jigi

Sorry guys but i just arive from my fisrt (this year) snowboard weekend
AE many many thanks from me and (as can you see) from all other guys with the same german mda3...
I just tryed some days ago to begin something like this using EVC++ 4.0 ... but it's too much to study for an as400 programmer
This will be surrely in my startup programs for a log live time of my mda3...
Surelly we will ask you some options in future ...
Another lot of thanks
DenisJ

Change of Hardwarekeyboardlayout on WM6

Hi all,
I've still tried to change the hw keyboard layout to german with the following tools...
- German Input (Crossbow).cab
- German Input for WM6 by ZakMcRofl.cab
- German Transcriber by ZakMcRofl.cab
- Hades German Language Pack for WM5 v1.3.cab
But nevertheless the Hardwarekeyboard never changed.
Does anybody have a suiteable idea how to change the settings in WM6 to use a german Hardwarekeyboard?
Kind Regards
Seppl

Hi Seppl
Install Registry Wizard and select Keyboard Language "German".
I selected "Norwegian" on my Qtek9100, and it works fine.
Best regards
Rosseha

I know what you need to do, but I haven't done it in a while, so I can just explain it to you. You need to go into the registry and find the key for the keyboard (if it is currently english, it will say 0409). Once you have found that, change it to the language for the keyboard you want.
For German layout (QWERTZ):
Code:
HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\Locale = 0409 (String) (ORIGINAL)
Change to HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\Locale = 0407 (String)
-Nstefanelli-

okay...
in HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\
are only the values
DefaultKeyLock 1
EnableIndicatior 1
InitialDelay 375
Muteswitch 1
RepeatRate 8
ShowWarningMsg 1
There is no string value Locale.
By the way, where can i get "Registry Wizard"

Seppl82 said:
okay...
in HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\
are only the values
DefaultKeyLock 1
EnableIndicatior 1
InitialDelay 375
Muteswitch 1
RepeatRate 8
ShowWarningMsg 1
There is no string value Locale.
By the way, where can i get "Registry Wizard"
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I have an Italian hardware keyboard and an English OS. I use AEKMap to remap the hardware keys. It work great! You can find the software at http://ae.inc.ru/aekmap.php with a lot of free remap files from users.
Remap files are here http://ae.inc.ru/aekmaplayout.php

Seppl82 said:
okay...
in HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\
are only the values
DefaultKeyLock 1
EnableIndicatior 1
InitialDelay 375
Muteswitch 1
RepeatRate 8
ShowWarningMsg 1
There is no string value Locale.
By the way, where can i get "Registry Wizard"
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Hi,
you have to create the key / value..
best regards

I've already created a new string.
Are you sure that it is a string value?
The Problem is I created it, rebooted (checked if the key is still there) but there is no change. When i press "Y" a "Z" appears ;(

XDA RegistryWizard
...it's a perfect solution!
it's simple, useful for tweaking registry and free
Tommaso

Where can i get the "RegistryWizard"

here u r!
RegistryWiz + Framework
hi!
tommy

Registry wizard
here you find it
ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Upload/cabs/RegistryWizard_PPC.ARMV4.cab
That will work, I do it all the time!
Bye

Hey AEKMAP is great
I had a Swedish keyboard and made the Swedish file remap.
If any one needs more details will be happy to explain or to make any file for your keybs ;-)
Aldo

nstefanelli said:
I know what you need to do, but I haven't done it in a while, so I can just explain it to you. You need to go into the registry and find the key for the keyboard (if it is currently english, it will say 0409). Once you have found that, change it to the language for the keyboard you want.
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Hello and thank you for the hint!
It works for me with all the standard keys, like 'Y' and 'Z' and the punctuations. There is one thing left open though: when I need to type a German 'Umlaut' I was used from WM5 to type the letter, let's say 'a' and then the 'Sym' key, and it was creating a 'ä'. Now when I'm doing this, it creates a 'à'.
Hope these characters make it to the posting correctly
Is there any additional hint on this?

FordPrefect said:
Hello and thank you for the hint!
It works for me with all the standard keys, like 'Y' and 'Z' and the punctuations. There is one thing left open though: when I need to type a German 'Umlaut' I was used from WM5 to type the letter, let's say 'a' and then the 'Sym' key, and it was creating a 'ä'. Now when I'm doing this, it creates a 'à'.
Hope these characters make it to the posting correctly
Is there any additional hint on this?
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in wm6 roms the sym.txt is named sym.0409.txt
so just rename a german sym.txt in sym.0409.txt
or take mine.
just use the hades german language pack and copy the sym.0409.txt to the windows folder.
steph

Thank you! Will try that ...
I have found another approach which I'm going to try.

Keyboard Special Signs

Hi All
I had a orane locked rom in german language. As I did not like the design I changed to the english htc rom. unfortunately some keys are different. I managed to correct the changed y and z.
But for special signs (Fn + Space) i get now à instead of ä, ò instead of ö, ù instead of ü. This specials sign come in the german language by typing the sing f.ex. a then pressing Fn + Space. This should become an ä f.ex.
Any ideas how to solve that.
Regards
Serge

If ONLY the Fn keys are misbehaving, try the AT&T Tilt keyboard fix CAB.
Other than that, no clue how to help you.

you didn't mention how you fixed the y & z keys... just a thought, you might want to try editing the following key:
HKLM\Hardware\Devicemap\Keybd\CurLang
I don't recall the hex key for German but a quick search in the Hermes or Kaiser threads should get you the answer (assuming this isn't what you did to fix the QWERTY vs. QWERTZ issue).
Let me know your results...
Cheers.

I would be very happy if some1 could help me to map the swedish special character, the layout is here http://www.htc.com/support/pdf/htctytnII/Kaiser_HTC_Swedish_Manual_web.pdf page 50

what i found out until today, is that those special signs are stored in /windows/sym.409.txt. But I cannot change that file, as the priviliges in windows folder are missing.
any idea how i could handle this for my htc kaiser?
Regards
Serge

Keyboard layout support for wm6 roms?

Hello,
I'm from switzerland, using a qtek 9000 with original wm5 Rom. I've tried several wm6 Roms yet, which all were fast and handy... the only reason to go back to my original rom, was the keyboard support (swiss german uses äöiü a lot) which simply wasn't there. I've tried tons of Registry hacks and all possible combinations of them, without success.. May it be possible, that the keyboard layout settings for swiss ger aren't even on these roms? Where are they stored? Since I've no experience on cooking roms, i dont know how to solve this problem. Any Idea?
(May it be, that the keybddr.dll has a influence on the keyboard-layout? how would i get this file from my old rom into the new one?)

alderan said:
Since I've no experience on cooking roms, i dont know how to solve this problem. Any Idea?
(May it be, that the keybddr.dll has a influence on the keyboard-layout? how would i get this file from my old rom into the new one?)
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I have an italian keyboard profile, after each ROM upgrade I usually change the registri key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\OEM\Qwerty\Layout
Write down the value of you current ROM and set it after the upgrade.
This will solve your problem about the real keyboard (N.B. this change doesn't affect the soft keyboard, since I'm not interested in that one I never searched for a solution).
Marco.

Thanks for your help, but as i wrote in my first post, i tried a whole lot of registry keys (the one you mentioned now once again) without success.. I can get the original qwerty Layout to a qwertz, but the äöü.. are not to type as i can do in the original swiss german one (a+sym, u+sym usw). Any other ideas?

You need to edit \Windows\sym.txt (or sym.0409.txt or whichever one you use).
The file is simple text file and I am sure you will understand it's syntaxe when you see it.
This solution is for hardware keyboard only. It doesn't affect the onscreen keyboard.
btw. You can of course copy the one from your old ROM with working keyboard.

Hardware Keyboard "Sym" functionality disabled

Hi,
I have installed the Hornet 5.1b ROM that has Win6.1 as the OS. I am able to use all the hardware keyboard functions as standard i.e. the default letters and default symbol for each key.
The problem I have is that the "Sym" key found on teh Wizards spacebar will not cycle through the available symbols available for that specific key. I.e. If, on standard Windows Mobile device, I wish to enter the pound symbol (£) I would press the Fn key + the G letter that has the $ sign as it's default symbol. I would then press the Fn key and the Sym key to cycle through to change the symbol to £.
The actual Sym function on my current ROM does not work. There is no functionality at all for this button.
I do not want to flash to another ROM as I am very happy barring this one issue. I am wondering if anyone knows how to regain this Sym functionality? I have done plenty of searching and most results will refer to language changes - this is not what my problem.
Hope to get a helpful response to this thread.
Cheers,
DocJ0nes

I just wanted to thank you because I never knew you could do that!
It works fine on my custom WM6.0 ROM.

OK on WM6.5
Just to remark that sym function works fine on my Qtek 9100 h/w keyboard running WM6.5. I'm using XDA2's (Haseeb's) ROM.
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Qtek9100 running XDA2 WM6.5
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Glad to help at least
How is the 6.5 ROM? I'm reluctant to try it as my tests with converted language ROMS in the past have not been fun.
Anyone else know a solution to my problem...?

WM6.5 performance
docj0nes said:
Glad to help at least
How is the 6.5 ROM? I'm reluctant to try it as my tests with converted language ROMS in the past have not been fun.
Anyone else know a solution to my problem...?
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Well, in general workable. Slow in messaging start-up, but otherwise like a heavily-loaded 6.1 Well worth the "sacrifice" in my case. I use Spb Mobile Shell v.3.0 and have disabled CHome.

Hi All,
Can one of you guys send me a UK version of the sym.txt file found in the root of the windows directory on your wizard. The sym.txt may have a 4 digit number in the filename, this is the one I need.
I would like to compare the file you have with a working "Sym" button configuration and hopefully fix mine myself.
PM me for my email address if you are interested in helping me
Ta,
docj0nes

docj0nes said:
Hi All,
Can one of you guys send me a UK version of the sym.txt file found in the root of the windows directory on your wizard. The sym.txt may have a 4 digit number in the filename, this is the one I need.
I would like to compare the file you have with a working "Sym" button configuration and hopefully fix mine myself.
PM me for my email address if you are interested in helping me
Ta,
docj0nes
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Like everyone else, I thank you for telling us about the feature. I always wondered what "sym" was supposed to do. It also does accent marks. =]
I'm pretty sure I don't have a UK sym.txt and I don't know where to get one, but here is my sym.txt if you want to compare anyways. It works, but I think it is WWE: