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How do these 2 compare in graphics speed? Both seem to have their share of issues on this matter.
Spb benchmark results suggest the HTC Polaris is way faster than the X800 (even if I were to multiply the X800 result by 4 to make up for the higher resolution.
However, judging by sites like HTC Class Action, it would be impossible to make a device with slower graphics than the Touch Cruise... ;-)
Can someone verify that results listed for the X800 and/or the Touch Cruise are accurate?
I have them both, actually I am replacing X800 with Polaris because I need more RAM.. and Polaris is slicker..
However video on X800 seems a little bit faster with Xvid encoded avi downsampled to 320x200
Maybe a weird question: Is it possible to change the resolution of the screen on the X800 to 320x240?
(coming from a person who does this all the time in Windows XP...)
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Maybe a weird question: Is it possible to change the resolution of the screen on the X800 to 320x240?
(coming from a person who does this all the time in Windows XP...)
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Most of the time the resolution is only 320x240, if you use a program like realvga it will show you the real resolution and you'll see the difference.
I think the polaris is so much better than the x800, I got the x800 because of the screen and 3g but it is not such a nice device and too slow for everyday use (it was impoossible to watch videos, it just stopped), I replaced it with a polaris and I can't be happier, it's fast, nice looking and has 3g, the screen resolution does not bother me because the x800 also simulates 320x240 (it's to small if you use the real res), there are also issues with video playback on the polaris but overall if I watch something encoded to 320x240 there is no problem at all, it's very smooth.
I've had an x800 and now I happily own a polaris , let me say... the x800 its a real crap
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there are also issues with video playback on the polaris but overall if I watch something encoded to 320x240 there is no problem at all, it's very smooth.
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So anything you have encoded to 320x240 plays smoothly? I just checked some video's on a Nokia N82 which also plays 320x240 smoothly, but I'd still prefer a Touch Cruise because of its screen size...
Well you can’t all say it was crap. I got one because I could wait and not have a device to keep me in check. It’s done me justice, although many times I have found myself banging my head against the wall. But the video quality was brilliant I had no problems unless with massive memory leaks but that was sorted once spb pocket plus went, and so went my beloved "x" button that really closes lol.
now the ram in that is ****E but if manage you phone well use memmaid every so often and don’t mind having a bit of low memory then you won’t really notice it.... my bet is that you guys always had something running in the back ground or installed way too much crap onto it. Eten blog helped me a lot but most of it is just exploration.
One thing that REALLY pissed me off was that the Rom never got the size it’s capable of, 256, it wasa always around 170.......... Mind boggling.
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So anything you have encoded to 320x240 plays smoothly? I just checked some video's on a Nokia N82 which also plays 320x240 smoothly, but I'd still prefer a Touch Cruise because of its screen size...
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Hi, yes, except for one, and I'm not sure why.
Hi, I just tested few more videos and is not smooth at all, for some reason I had a couple of videos that worked fine, but I tested a whole bunch more and it's not smooth, I'm not sure wath's the difference between them, I usually encode them similary.
Is it just me or does the wmv playback suck on the touch pro? rly bad fps at a fairly low reso
Hmm.. what resolution?
Can you test this video and post back the results? It's a WMV at 320 x 240.
Thanks
640x480 with sound at 1000kbps
My old universal would have lagged doing this but only to about the same extent the apparently more powerful touch pro seems to be, and the universal didn't even have any acceleration.
I will test the other video shortly, do you know a good player that will feed back fps? (running the .405 firmware btw)
You can try also CorePlayer. It's not free though
.. But I'm not really sure that will play on full FPS.
divx/xvid video is played better.
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You can try also CorePlayer. It's not free though
.. But I'm not really sure that will play on full FPS.
divx/xvid video is played better.
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I tried core, it is worse than media player by a long shot with the wmv I know my n95 should be able to play something of this bitrate even though it took some addons to get wmv and the screen was lower reso.
It's a real shame seeing as the touch pro is over a year and a half newer. Qtv says it only decodes 30fps upto 384kbps which isn't very good Surely a 528mhz ARM11 with no radio overheads should be able to handle it on its own though :S
Maybe it's wmv that's particualy bad as it strikes me as poorly optimised for the hardware
For sure wmv needs more power .. too bad that the qualcomm cpu's are not soo good at video decoding/encoding (at least from what I've read) .
BTW, can you post the result for the video posted by me?
Seems like we are getting into a very old and long worn argument here.
WinMo apps such as Media player SUCK and we all know it and it is even worse on this devices screen res.
The latest version of Coreplayer I have plays most files very well but is still not optimised for the Touch Pro screen res yet.
Give it time chaps, like a Million years for Microsoft to catch up with the Hardware...
Sorry if this is completly out of place here but I just have to ask!
I am getting tired of all the problems with HTC devices, and I am considering buying another device just to be able to do what I want!
Let´s face it, I have had many different HTC devices, and there is always a problem somewhere! Either it´s the video driver or gps lag or whatever...
Now, I am not ready to give up on my TP just yet, and that is mainly becouse of this great forum. So I am keeping my TP to see if things get better in the future!
But I still want to be able to use my GPS software properly, and would also like to be able to watch movies without having to bring another set of devices with me where ever I go!
I was looking at the new Touch HD, but it seems that it has video issues as well!
So now I was thinking about the Samsung Omnia!
All the reviews I read so far seems promising, the device is very fast and is even DivX certified!
My question is, have you used or do you own a Samsung Omnia?
If yes, then what is your opinion about it? Is it really as good as I think it is or is it just another HTC like device with many buggs?
Will I be able to watch my videos smoothly or not?
Will I be able to use the gps without lag?
How does it compare to TP when it comes to other programs and games?
How is the screen compared to TP, does it feal much bigger or not?
Or maybe you can suggest another device that meets my demands, I am open for sugestion!
I know these are alot of questions, but I hope that some of you can help me out here! I am really frustrated that I have to bring several different devices with me to be able to do everything that my expencive TP was supposed to be able to do!
Thanks to all of you in advance!
my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
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video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
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my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
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video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
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The fact the HD is bigger then Omnia is no issue for me, and I also think that HD is the better looking device!
However I read in the HD forum that HD still has problems with video playback, now if that is true it´s a complete turn off for me!
A negative, Omnia won't have world 3G (850/1900 + 2100).
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A negative, Omnia won't have world 3G (850/1900 + 2100).
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I live in Sweden, does that apply even here or just for US?
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The fact the HD is bigger then Omnia is no issue for me, and I also think that HD is the better looking device!
However I read in the HD forum that HD still has problems with video playback, now if that is true it´s a complete turn off for me!
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the default playback is not important to me as I only use CorePlayer... unless i'm mistaken and ur talking abt the phone hardware itself.... that i'm not technical enough to comment on.
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the default playback is not important to me as I only use CorePlayer... unless i'm mistaken and ur talking abt the phone hardware itself.... that i'm not technical enough to comment on.
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I think it is problem with hardware becouse they say that there is no smooth playback even with CP without converting!
Maybe another device is better then Omnia?
If Omnia is not as good, maybe you all can suggest me another device that will fit my needs?
Thanks!
I am responsible for the mobile devices in our company. I have a T-Mobile Vario IV (HTC Touch Pro) and a T-Mobile Vario III (HTC Kaiser) for my own use. I have ordered and configured 2 Samsung Omnia, 3 Vario IV, 3 Compact IV (HTC Diamond) and the best after all is the Vario IV.
The Omnia software feels not very well. The TF3D ist much more comfortable als feels really smooth.
If you can live without the g-sensor, get the Xperia X1 and put HD manilla on it.
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If you can live without the g-sensor, get the Xperia X1 and put HD manilla on it.
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I tought the X1 had a much smaller screen, and less RAM?
Bigger, higher res screen than touch pro, better battery too. And 3.5mm headphones. If only it had been available in Australia a month ago (still isn't). That said, I like my touch pro. The GPS isn't so bad it's not useful and it's a big improvement on my old Hermes...
I was trying to decide between the Omnia and the Pro myself. I ended up keeping my Touch Pro - largely because of the cost difference between identical plans with Sprint and Verizon.
Video will definitely run smoothly on the Omnia because it has a faster processor, and is not running a VGA screen. The screen is much lower resolution and nonstandard though it's bigger. That said, quality TV Out will be limited to files it's native player can output. Otherwise, you're only getting the resolution of the screen, 400 x 240 I think.
On the Touch Pro, I've gotten good performance with the files I normally play using either Coreplayer or Divx Player. I've heard bad reviews about unconverted files using TV Out - but am waiting for a cable to try myself.
When you're comparing screens - the Touch Pro is higher resolution but the Omnia is bigger. I can see positives and negatives to both in viewing webpages or images. But for video play and output the Omnia should be faster.
By the way, I should add that though the Touch HD has a bigger, 800 x 480 screen - video play should be slower/choppier than the Touch pro because it has the same processor. The same processor would have to move even more pixels, which is already causing slow performance with the Raphael's VGA screen.
The only possibility for better performance with a VGA (or higher) screen, is a faster processor or better integrated video drivers.
If I were you, I wouldn't sink a lot of money into a samsung phone. IMO they are generally not very good. That being said, the Omnia is obviously not a standard samsung.
pros
-it has innovative interface
-bigger screen
-good with media
cons
-lower res screen (is it wqvga? i think it is)
-NO STYLUS SLOT (huge turnoff)
no qwerty (we are comparing to touch pro here)
this being said, I feel that there is little the omnia can do that the pro can't. with coreplayer, video playback is flawless for me, even when i am viewing a 700mb divx encoded movie
I purchased omnia!
Okey, so I decided to buy the Omnia even if most of you voted against it!
Boy am I glad I did that!
I have spent almost this whole day testing the device, the first thing I tested was to copy a 1.2 gb Xvid movie to it, it played out of the box with it´s built in touch player so I did not even have to install CorePlayer! And do I even have to mention that it did not lag/stutter even once watching the whole movie, with alot of action scenes!
Then I installed TomTom 7 and BeeLine GPS and went out for a walk!
Testing BeelineGPS while walking was a whole different experience then with my Touch Pro, the compas view rotated and adjusted it´s position with every step I took! (With Touch Pro it only updated every 10 to 20 meters!) What a difference!
TomTom performed just as well, it followed my car exactly even in high speed!
And it is alot snappier then my Touch Pro even tho it has less ram! Rotating screen is an instant and overall performance is way better then the TP!
Bare in mind that I have installed custom speedy rom in my TP, and the Omnia is all original! Now imagine what this device can do with a custom rom!
I dont know about you, but I can just say that I dont believe I made a misstake with this device, but I have to keep testing it a bit more, just had it one day so far!
venom037 said:
my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
ie
video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
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As I said, I bought the omnia yesterday, and today after two days of pretty heavy use, I still have 40% battery left!
So the batter is in fact better then in my tp which did not even last for one full day!
What network has the Omnia? I want one! This fuze has done nothing but frustrate me! What carrier are you with?
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What network has the Omnia? I want one! This fuze has done nothing but frustrate me! What carrier are you with?
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I live in Sweden so I am not familiar with the networks in us, but this is what I see in my Omnia settings: Automatic, GSM 900/1800, GSM 850/1900 and WCDMA!
I should point out that this is a 3G device and it works great here in sweden, it also has HSDPA (Hight speed internet!)
Hope this helps!
I love my Omnia, but especially with this ROM: http://www.modaco.com/content/i900-...illa2d-with-flashlite-3-1-and-uc-dthj9-m2d03/
But I can get a great deal on a Fuze through work and I'm tempted to pick one up as well... this last month or so that I've had the Omnia is the first time since the Blue Angel came out that I haven't had an HTC device
If you know my H.264 bible (link to original HERE; note that it has the charts messed up. The latter, without problems, can be found HERE or in any other mirrors I've listed at the end of the original article; see the paragraph starting with "Cross-posted to"), you may be aware of that, so far, no Windows Mobile device was able to play back “high”- resolution H.264 videos.
I refer to videos 640 (or more) pixels wide; this, practically, also means it’s fully impossible to play back 720p (that is, 1280-wide) H.264 videos if you don’t disable bilinear filtering or CABAC at encoding time and deblocking at runtime. (Or, you don’t use the simple profile to create a video that is comparatively easy to decode and not includes any goodies like CABAC or bilinear filtering.) If you do all the available techniques to increase video quality, not any of the current Windows Mobile devices will deliver a stuttering-free video playback.
The new Toshiba TG01 with it brand new 1 GHz Snapdragon CPU seems to have changed this all. At the Toshiba booth of MWC, I had the chance to play with the forthcoming TG01. Incidentally, interestingly, at Microsoft’s booth, along with the HTC Diamond II (which I had the chance to play at HTC’s booth and, frankly, found it to be pretty mediocre), the device was behind glass and couldn’t be tested; no such restrictions existed at Toshiba’s booth.
I’ve tested the video playback and H.264 decoding performance with the 464 kbps H.264 video HERE (feel free to conduct the benchmark yourself to make sure I have the right figures). The benchmark, as can be seen in the following screenshot, resulted in a very impressive decoding efficiency: 148%! Again, this is around 100% on contemporary Windows Mobile PDA’s – that is, the speed difference is about 50%. It seems switching to the new platform indeed does deliver some substantive speed increase – unlike the case with the 206 MHz StrongARM -> 400 MHz Intel Xscale PXA-250 switch back in 2002, under Pocket PC 2002.
Gaming and 3D performance was equally good. The device has (enabled) 3D acceleration. I’ve made and posted to YouTube three different videos. THIS one shows a simple tech demo; THIS shows Prince of Persia in action (yes, I know it’s upside down; tomorrow, I take my tripod with me and make a far better video) and, finally, THIS shows a 3D sphere-alike GUI. Note that all these videos are 640*480; as soon as the Panasonic G1 HD or the Canon 500D (hopefully the latter with HD video) comes out, I upgrade to it. Until then, I can only make videos at 15 fps at 1024*768; this is why I've gone for the smaller, but two times faster VGA ones so that you can have a real picture of the speed.
All these three demos / games use the full WVGA screen estate (that is, 800*480) to render their content. Everything is crystal clear.
Note that there are some games that don’t seem to be hardware accelerated. Gameloft’s Asphalt4 is, unfortunately, one of them. I had the chance of playing it on the Samsung Omnia at MWC, on Gameloft’s booth and was really disappointed. It has low resolution and very bad, stuttering graphics – far-far inferior to the hardware accelerated, absolutely perfect iPhone version. Unfortunately, the situation is the same on the TG01 as can also be seen in THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRgu9CEcTAM&feature=related test video.
Now, I only wish the TG01
- Had a D-Pad on the front (there is a LOT of unused space on the face of the device – much more than on, say, the iPhone) to allow for playing games. This device would be an excellent gaming / emulation device – but the lack of a D-pad severely hampers this usage. Read: very few games that require a D-pad for control will be playable.
- Supported call recording (the Toshi folks I’ve asked stated the TG01, unfortunately, won’t allow for recording calls).
- Had a better camera – like that of the (better) Nokia N-series phones or the Samsung Omnia HD.
- Had stereo speakers – again, like some Nokia N-series handsets or the brand new Samsung Omnia HD.
Other, various Toshi shots (click the thumbnails for much larger shots)
(Note that I’ll try to post more tomorrow; for example, direct size comparisons with the iPhone etc.)
As always great report!!
Thanks a lot for bringing this!
Here is another nice game demo in the 2nd half of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUQD6XLw4ck
nice specs, lets see how the retailpart turns out, 1ghz with just 1000mAh + 800x480 4.1" screen sounds very much like the diamond -> battery dead after one day (if its used).
was the screen capacitive?
Any news on when it might be released?
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was the screen capacitive?
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nope, unfortunately. I'll try to install Opera Mobile on it to find out more about the responsiveness of the screen compared to the iPhone.
Looks awesome. They say if they will make a US 3G version? If so (and maybe even if not) I will have to get one!
New video posted to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=484266 ; soon, I post some size comparisons with the iPhone 3G.
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Any news on when it might be released?
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What I've read: 20th week (don't kno where, hopefully here in Europe, so it's on time for my birthday)
This just might be my next device! (or Touch HD because of the community, but hey, who knows how large the TG1 community will become)
Nice report, thanks
To my surprise, the battery is stated 1000 mAH, which is less than HTC Kaiser (1350 mAH) ... and they still say 11 days standby, 5 hours talk time. If that's true then it is amazing. Even though I am very skeptical.
And how about possibility to upgrade to WinMo 6.5? I know that WinMo 6.5 requires a hardware button, but I saw a button that in front It is not funny if it cannot be upgraded to 6.5.
Nope, you will not be able to upgrade the TG01 to 6.5 officially. You'll have to use a cooked rom.
Regards,
Carl.
I'm looking to a upgrade from my current handset, an old school Nokia 6120c.
What is most important to me is that the new phone (HTC Desire S) be able to play videos encoded at a "High:L5.1" level within a mkv container, or at least High:L4.1 as most 720p tv shows i got downloaded are at that encoding level.
Thee videos will not be played from local storage (Phone/SD Card) rather they wil be streamed from my NAS which is running TwonkeyServer.
The toss up over what phone to get came down to which had the better chipset, more specifically the better gpu in terms of hardware acceleration to play these 720p videos without a single stutter.
Not wanting to blow too muh dosh, im keeping it to a simple single core cpu, so I found myself stuck in deciding between the "MSM8255 Snapdragon" and the "Humming Bird" chipset.
The 2nd generation snapdragon has a snappier cpu however the humming birds gpu seems much better still.
So, heres hoping some of you guys have already given this a thought.
1. At what most encoding level does the HTC Desire S play videos stutter free?
2. Does Diceplayer offer hardware virtuasisation for mkv files (xvid/x264) on the Desire S?
3. Since Videos are being streamed by TwonkeyServer from my NAS, is their "less effort" for the Desire S to play these videos? As apposed to playing them from local storage?
I don't have an answer for your question but I do have a question for you.
Why do you need to watch 720p video on a screen that is less than 4"?
I have never understood this need for devices with such small screens to playback such high rez video other than that which has been filmed on it.
Surely a standard xvid would look just as good on the small screen.
^ not to mention that both the Desire S nor the Galaxy S have a horizontal video resolution of 480, so watching a 720p video would be scaled down significantly anyway.
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I don't have an answer for your question but I do have a question for you.
Why do you need to watch 720p video on a screen that is less than 4"?
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Surely a standard xvid would look just as good on the small screen.
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Yeh it sure would, however i dont have the time or effort to be re-encoding videos all the time. I have "Sickbeard" download all the TV shows i have subscribed to my NAS box daily, so i would just like to stream the videos directly to my phone without messing around all the time with encodes and re-sizing videos everyday..
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I'm looking to a upgrade from my current handset, an old school Nokia 6120c.
1. At what most encoding level does the HTC Desire S play videos stutter free?
2. Does Diceplayer offer hardware virtuasisation for mkv files (xvid/x264) on the Desire S?
3. Since Videos are being streamed by TwonkeyServer from my NAS, is their "less effort" for the Desire S to play these videos? As apposed to playing them from local storage?
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If you want playing 720p H.264 [email protected],5.1 video, buy Smasung(Hummingbird,Exynos) , Dual core snapdragon.
QSD8255 is not good at playing 720p H.264 [email protected]/5.x video.
1. 3.1 is Shutter free level.
2. YES
3. Subs have some problems. UPNP(DLNA) is not good for subs.
I recommand CIFS export + cifs mount using cifs.ko
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If you want playing 720p H.264 [email protected],5.1 video, buy Smasung(Hummingbird,Exynos) , Dual core snapdragon.
QSD8255 is not good at playing 720p H.264 [email protected]/5.x video.
1. 3.1 is Shutter free level.
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Isnt that for the 1st generation snapdragon "QSD8250" (The 1st Desire with hard buttons)?
diceplayer.inisoft.co.kr said:
Supported devices
* Samsung Galaxy S2 : 1080p H.264 [email protected]/MPEG-4,1080i AVCHD MTS
* Samsung Galaxy S and variants : 720p H.264 [email protected]
* HTC Nexus-1,Desire and QSD8250 baesd devices : 720p H.264 [email protected]
=> May need libOmxVdec.so patch.
* HTC Sensation,Evo 4G+.Evo 3D : 720p [email protected]/1080p [email protected](some 1080p files have shuttering)
* HTC Desire HD,ThunderBolt : 720p [email protected]/4.0(some Level 4.0 file have shutter problem)
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2nd generation snapdragon "MSM8255" with Adreno 205 GPU as opposed to Adreno 200 should be ~4 times quicker. So in theory shouldn't it be able to play videos of higher level encoding?
EDIT: Oh my bad, seems you were right about High:L3.1 being the highest shutter free level
As i turns out The HTC Desire S has the same chipset as the HTC Desire HD, which is actually included in the above supported list of devices. Well im **** outta luck then
Still dont understand how even with the 205 Adreno GPU it failed to play anything higher :S
I really liked the look of the HTC Desire S, and its dimensions closely resembled the iphone4 which i believe is just the perfect size for a phone.