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[Q] Does Raphael have the same GPS lag as Diamond?

Hi guys,
I think the subject says it all...
I have a Diamond which suffers from serious GPS lag (not fix!). This means that when I'm driving, my car is always up to 50m ahead of what TomTom or IGO tells me that I am...
I'm thinking about changing my device as nobody seems to know the cause of this...
So, I wonder if Rapheal has the same issue or not...
HastaSSSS

Here's what i tested for you on the way to work...
Using TomTom6 (6.032), driving at 30mph, using the tip if the blue arrow as my position (same as i always used on TytnII) i would say my car was no more than 5m behind were i should be. No issue going down the right road or turn.

Same situation as johnk1973. No 50 meters lag, but aprox. 5 meters.

Same problem here on Raphael, TT7 is 50 meters behind. Will test it tonight if it also occurs with TT6.

Same here with tt7 and igo8....

Now this is going to get complicated....
I had Diamond before and NEVER experienced GPS lag.
I tried almost every official and cooked ROM and had no problems with GPS.
Recently I switched to Raphael....
And guess what... GPS lag !
I used my Diamond and Raphael in identical conditions, with the same app (iGO 8).
I'll try to test it more.
I'll post if I find anything useful to you.
Cheers,

Sh*t...that means Raphael is a "no go" for me...
Unless we solve the problem...whatever it might be...
Please keep on posting your findings about this issue...I like very much Diamond and Diamond Pro....but I'm not willing to have a device without 100% functionality...
HastaSSSS

I have a Touch Pro with iGo8 installed. I realised this "50m lag" on my business trip this Monday but I thought it was due to the speed of the car (I was driving very fast for the most of the time). Now I see the problem might be a little more complicated.
On the other hand the 50m is not so bad - I never had a wrong turn, the acoustic signalization of iGo8 is very good. Nevertheless, I would be glad if this could be fixed...
And another thing - I'm not sure if you are aware of the charging problem while using GPS. My Touch Pro actually stopped charging because of overheating and was running only on the battery. So be aware of this fact too.
But this is a different issue, I'm sure there is a thread for this.

I dont have the problem with TT6.

I second this issue, both with TT7 and IGO8 (haven't tried it with another one yet)

Guys I had GPS lag on TT7 when I fist used it (Only tried it for 5min) it was awful. Mainly everytime I turned a corner whilst driving.
Then I did the following changes:
\start\settings\system\external GPS -> Set GPS Program port COM4; Hardware NONE; Access Manage GPS automatically.
Hit ok, wait 10 secs, switch off the device and then soft reset.
Now go to TT7 change the GPS prefences, to use bluetooth device and selected COM4.
No my GPS is perfect now, no problems at all. Have tried it with two different ROMs and no problems.
I have TT7 installed on the main memory and the maps on an Sandisk 8GB Class 4 SDHC card.
Radio ROM is 1.02.25.19 if that helps? and AGPS is turned on a up-to-date.
BTW it was exactly the same when using google maps.

Did you also try it by just setting tomtom gps to bluetooth? I'll give that a shot anyway before going into the register... tnx for the tip

Please keep in mind that you'll get an update of your past position only once per second. This means: The faster your velocity the more inexact the position will be, because the distance you'll pass in this second becomes longer and longer:
@30kmph: ~8m
@50kmph: ~14m
@80kmph: ~22m
@100kmph: ~27m
@130kmph: ~36m
Additionally there is the inaccuracy which comes with GPS: In good times you may have ~10m divergence on average. But with weaker signal (which one may have driving in a city) it will become even more. So keep in mind that GPS will tell you, where you've been one second ago (plus the divergence).
By the time I get my Diamond Pro, I'll collate this at the same time with my X500, which has a build in Sirf3 receiver.

I am having a slightly different issue with my TP using iGuidance 4. Although the unit aquires a signal faster than any other device I have used in the past, it seems to lag or freeze as I drive. It will not update the time, speed or position unless I press a button or something on the screen. There is another thread on XDA (I think in the Diamond or Kaiser sections) that claims to have solved this issue, but the fix doesn't work on my Touch Pro (in fact it completely freezes my iGuidance requiring a soft reset).

Hi,
I'm using Ndrive and TomTom 7.
on NDrive I don't have any problem, it's fast.
on TomTom is slow..
I thing the problem is on TomTom using this GPS of Raphael.

WizP said:
Guys I had GPS lag on TT7 when I fist used it (Only tried it for 5min) it was awful. Mainly everytime I turned a corner whilst driving.
Then I did the following changes:
\start\settings\system\external GPS -> Set GPS Program port COM4; Hardware NONE; Access Manage GPS automatically.
Hit ok, wait 10 secs, switch off the device and then soft reset.
Now go to TT7 change the GPS prefences, to use bluetooth device and selected COM4.
No my GPS is perfect now, no problems at all. Have tried it with two different ROMs and no problems.
I have TT7 installed on the main memory and the maps on an Sandisk 8GB Class 4 SDHC card.
Radio ROM is 1.02.25.19 if that helps? and AGPS is turned on a up-to-date.
BTW it was exactly the same when using google maps.
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these settings are the settings that are preset. Hence nothing changed. the lag on the diamond is bad but this is awful.

WizP said:
Guys I had GPS lag on TT7 when I fist used it (Only tried it for 5min) it was awful. Mainly everytime I turned a corner whilst driving.
Then I did the following changes:
\start\settings\system\external GPS -> Set GPS Program port COM4; Hardware NONE; Access Manage GPS automatically.
Hit ok, wait 10 secs, switch off the device and then soft reset.
Now go to TT7 change the GPS prefences, to use bluetooth device and selected COM4.
No my GPS is perfect now, no problems at all. Have tried it with two different ROMs and no problems.
I have TT7 installed on the main memory and the maps on an Sandisk 8GB Class 4 SDHC card.
Radio ROM is 1.02.25.19 if that helps? and AGPS is turned on a up-to-date.
BTW it was exactly the same when using google maps.
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these settings are the settings that are preset. Hence nothing changed. the lag on the diamond is bad but this is awful.

Using Igo8 very intensively with my TP, no lag at all. Compared it this morning with my VW passat stock nav system, and again, i notice no lag.

I have the settings in the posts above, and have very little lag. I am using QuickGPS instead of AGPS, but all else is the same. My main probklem is how long it takes to get a lock (much longer than on my old Kaiser), but since installing DCS's ROM and doing a hard reset immediately after that does seem to have improved - I often get a lock from cold within a minute now..
Rowan

I believe the reason that some people are getting horrible GPS lag while others get nothing has to do with the Radio ROM versions that came installed with the device. Most custom ROMS don't update the Radio ROM. It's 12am and I'm posting this from my TP, so I'll just tell you that the Radio thread is stickied in the Raphael ROM dev forum.
EDIT: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566

No GPS after firmware update

Hi,
I recently installed the new official HTC Firmware Upgrade on my Touch Pro.
ROM: 5.05.405.1 WWE
ROM Date: 01/22/09
Radio: 1.11.25.01
After installing, i cannot seem to get a GPS fix, have been trying for last 4 hours. I did all the usual, ran the Quick GPS etc. My external TomTom receiver works fine and TomTom then runs ok on the Touch Pro.
GPS set to COM4 as before
Has anyone else had any problems since upgrading to the new firmware?
Thanks

The fix problem might be temporary. Try again tomorrow at different position

Hi Darfri,
Funny enough, i tried this morning and got a fix in about 20 seconds! So could well have been just a temp thing.
I did uninstall GPSED in between, i'm sure that was not the contributing factor, will reinstall it and try the GPS again on the way home.
M

me too
did u mean the htc's website ROM upgrade?
i did it too, and my GPS is not running, i tried it saturday and did not get sucess, i am trying today again and the same problem is ocurring, i would need my GPS working, i use IGO8, the raphael locates the GPS signal, but on the map it doesnt work
does anybody know the soluction?

Yes, i do mean the HTC website ROM.
I tried again on the way back from work after reinstalling GPSED, it is still working. No idea why it refused on the Sunday.
Try obtaining a fix in an open area for a start, once it gets its first fix after the upgrade, subsequent ones should be easier.

basmareck said:
did u mean the htc's website ROM upgrade?
i did it too, and my GPS is not running, i tried it saturday and did not get sucess, i am trying today again and the same problem is ocurring, i would need my GPS working, i use IGO8, the raphael locates the GPS signal, but on the map it doesnt work
does anybody know the soluction?
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try to flash again just the RADIO

mgumbs said:
Yes, i do mean the HTC website ROM.
I tried again on the way back from work after reinstalling GPSED, it is still working. No idea why it refused on the Sunday.
Try obtaining a fix in an open area for a start, once it gets its first fix after the upgrade, subsequent ones should be easier.
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where did u get?

I have the same problem. Yesterday I flashed my Touch Pro with a new Radio and a new OS Rom (not the official one). I used the newest Radio Rom version from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2822877&postcount=2 (1.11.25.01)
Now I'm trying to get a GPS fix with Google Maps or HTC GPS Tool, but both does not work.
I hope anyone could help.
Thanks!
Greets
Stefan

basmareck said:
where did u get?
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Same problem here, flashed 5 days ago, intermitent gps signal (like a pulse fix / no fix) or none at all. Even try with different radios (Radio 1.02.25.32 / 1.02.25.28) and the baud rate to 57600 in my apps.
I can't be sure is due to new ROM because I flash it on my newer Fuze and never try GPS fix before. I have to say that I own a Touch pro almost a year ago and at the same time side by side get a fix in cold 10-30 seconds and warm 2-5 seconds (with a cooked ROM from "jespi2005" Radio 1.02.25.32)

Hi,
I think I have a solution.Download the HTC GPS Tool (e.g. from here http://rs276.rapidshare.com/files/84815853/Nadavi_HTC_GPS_TOOL.cab)
-Check if you have AGPS disabled (e.g. with Advanced Config)
-Update QuickGPS
-Install HTC GPS Tool
-Run HTC GPS Tool
-Check the Correct Com Port (Settings - > External GPS)
-Set Baudrate to 57600
-Press open
-Select Cold Start from the Dropdown list
-Mark the Repeat Selectbox
-Press Nav. Init.
-Now It can take 1 or 2 hours
-Check the status via the satelit tab
If nothing works, press Close, reset your PPC, select Clear Memory from the select box, press Nav. Init. and wait about 15 Minutes and reset your PPC again. Repeat the procedure above. You can also try the other options in the drop down box. I don't know the options I used anymore, but now it works.
My problem was, that I was to impatient and thought, that anything must be broken. So try this method and I hope it works.
I found this solution in the german forum www.ppc-welt.info (direct link for all german speaking people: http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=133565)
Greets
Stefan

GPS Questions

Guys, I have a rather stupid question, and feel free to flame my newbness on the question all you want, I'm just trying to find an answer, for like monthes now...
I have NEVER been able to get my GPS to work, not even once.... It's been a problem for so long, that I eventually just told myself, well I guess I have to pay AT&T for that..... but I don't see why that's the case....
I have tried all of the programs, HTCGPSTool, QuickGPS, Google Maps, etc, all with multiple ROMs.... Right now I'm flashing the Official Update to see if I can get it working with that, but I'm truly dumbfounded.... It has never once, ever gotten a lock, or even found satellites.... It's making me want to bring my fuze to warranty center to try and get a new one
Information about my device:
I have installed HardSPL, usually run EnergyROM latest build, with Radio 1.14.25.05
I've had the phone since last Nov so something different has always been running on it, and not ONCE has my GPS worked for me....
Any ideas?
Thanks

Try first turning on ChartCross GPSTEST (in GPS folder on Energy Rom) wait for lock and then turn on your desired GPS program. BTW Google maps only works with aGPS (needs internet). I recommend TomTom (what I use), iGo or Gramin.

jaszek said:
Try first turning on ChartCross GPSTEST (in GPS folder on Energy Rom) wait for lock and then turn on your desired GPS program. BTW Google maps only works with aGPS (needs internet). I recommend TomTom (what I use), iGo or Gramin.
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Thank you so much!, worked perfectly!! I'll check out the TomTom software, Google Maps is super slow, it would just annoy me
Thanks!

GPS
I recently gave up on the hit and miss of Pocket CoPilot v6, and now I just load GPSToday to run in the background to get the sat connection and now PCP works like a champ. FINALLY!
Can't wait for v8 this year!

I would like to confirm that TomTom is infact the bomb, works perfectly
I'm using version 7.915.9196 with USA and Canada Maps V-830.2323 reccomend anyone to check it out

garmin is so much nicer than tomtom. the interface is prettier and easier to use. it does cost alot though. i thought it was worth it.

The Jack of Clubs said:
garmin is so much nicer than tomtom. the interface is prettier and easier to use. it does cost alot though. i thought it was worth it.
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I'll try that one next, and post back the results, thanks for the recommendation

i would recommend u change ur radio to 1.12.25.19 and install http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=468249 <-- its a program called fusion GPS that gets a lock upon restarting ur device so u wont have to wait for that long dreadful first time lock. also that Radio is the best GPS radio i have found so far, works even faster with aGPS, i have used that radio and i get like 3-15sec lock outside and 30-80 sec lock inside my house, depending on if am close to a window or not

allthatinny said:
i would recommend u change ur radio to 1.12.25.19 and install http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=468249 <-- its a program called fusion GPS that gets a lock upon restarting ur device so u wont have to wait for that long dreadful first time lock. also that Radio is the best GPS radio i have found so far, works even faster with aGPS, i have used that radio and i get like 3-15sec lock outside and 30-80 sec lock inside my house, depending on if am close to a window or not
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it always keeps timing out after the five minute interval.... maybe because my data connection doesn't auto-start on boot.... any way I can make that happen? but even when i do go start it, it still times out... seems ChartCross has been the best for me, and with aGPS, it will get a lock pretty quickly
The Jack of Clubs said:
garmin is so much nicer than tomtom. the interface is prettier and easier to use. it does cost alot though. i thought it was worth it.
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indeed, Garmin is so much nicer, love the little car driving around on the screen, lol, thanks for the reccomendation!

BFieldingSW said:
Guys, I have a rather stupid question, and feel free to flame my newbness on the question all you want, I'm just trying to find an answer, for like monthes now...
I have NEVER been able to get my GPS to work, not even once.... It's been a problem for so long, that I eventually just told myself, well I guess I have to pay AT&T for that..... but I don't see why that's the case....
I have tried all of the programs, HTCGPSTool, QuickGPS, Google Maps, etc, all with multiple ROMs.... Right now I'm flashing the Official Update to see if I can get it working with that, but I'm truly dumbfounded.... It has never once, ever gotten a lock, or even found satellites.... It's making me want to bring my fuze to warranty center to try and get a new one
Information about my device:
I have installed HardSPL, usually run EnergyROM latest build, with Radio 1.14.25.05
I've had the phone since last Nov so something different has always been running on it, and not ONCE has my GPS worked for me....
Any ideas?
Thanks
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I've had this exact same problem when also running latest Energy rom with radio 1.14.25.05, (I also have a lot of problems keeping a constant wifi connection even at full signal but thats another story).
This morning i flashed back to my original stock rom (vodafone uk) and although i had to wait FOUTY FIVE minutes for my first GPS signal i now have no problems with the latest version of TomTom and my uptodate USA & Canada map (i now live in Montreal)
Im going to run the stock rom for a day or two to see how it should run, then switch back to the Energy "Magic" rom as i really like that one out of all the 6.5 Roms.
Very strange.

Still the only way I can get it to work on a cooked ROM, is to use ChartCrossGPSTest.... wait until it says GPS Running, and go launch TomTom, leave ChartCross minimized

Google Maps 4.0

Has anyone tried out the new GMAPS 4.0 on their device? Has anyone got it to work when using GPS? I installed it and everytime I click on Use GPS it crashes the application. This use to happen to my old I910 with version 3.32 and not sure why.

07aspenx said:
Has anyone tried out the new GMAPS 4.0 on their device? Has anyone got it to work when using GPS? I installed it and everytime I click on Use GPS it crashes the application. This use to happen to my old I910 with version 3.32 and not sure why.
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Version 4.0 works perfect on mine and I get a quick lock on GPS. Maybe you should try reloading it.

i get a gps satellite lock inside in under thirty seconds with 4.0

I had this same issue as well. I had to revert back to v3.2.1 to use the app.

Envirosciguy said:
Version 4.0 works perfect on mine and I get a quick lock on GPS. Maybe you should try reloading it.
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Tried uninstalling and reinstalling a few times and the same result. I also reverted back to an older version.

wow, I just got my i-920 omnia2 about 4 weeks ago and it was about 3 weeks ago I downloaded and installed google maps. it is version 3.3.0. when did they come out with version 4? the one I have works fine. takes a while to acquire satellites. I just tried out that latitude yesterday. very cool thing, but it didn't work. but the phone that I was "tracking" had latidute running then "exit". it asks if you want to still send location info and yes was selected. per google, when in this mode it sends signal based on cell tower info--does this to preserve battery life since if the gps were on constantly and sending signal if would drain it. cell tower info not as accurate. but it didn't work at all. showed essentially no movement. was going to try to leave google maps open and thus sending gps info to see if it worked that way.
oh, to original poster--didn't the i910 have gps locked so you couldn't use it except for verizon stuff?

hammerjr said:
wow, I just got my i-920 omnia2 about 4 weeks ago and it was about 3 weeks ago I downloaded and installed google maps. it is version 3.3.0. when did they come out with version 4? the one I have works fine. takes a while to acquire satellites. I just tried out that latitude yesterday. very cool thing, but it didn't work. but the phone that I was "tracking" had latidute running then "exit". it asks if you want to still send location info and yes was selected. per google, when in this mode it sends signal based on cell tower info--does this to preserve battery life since if the gps were on constantly and sending signal if would drain it. cell tower info not as accurate. but it didn't work at all. showed essentially no movement. was going to try to leave google maps open and thus sending gps info to see if it worked that way.
oh, to original poster--didn't the i910 have gps locked so you couldn't use it except for verizon stuff?
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The GPS on the I910 was unlocked. I used IGO8 as well as GOOGLE MAPS and BING.

GPS
I have the i920 and have installed the google4 with no problems. The gps was locked within one minute, didn't time it but was within 10 meters.

Just installed Google Maps 4.0 yesterday -- works AWESOME on my i920, gps lock within 30 seconds when outside. Unfortunately still no navigation like they have on the newer android devices (grr, google bastadz!) but it most certainly does not crash.
What ROM are you using, and did you uninstall the older version manually before installing the new one? Also try using SKTools' uninstaller -- that will also scan for left behind registry keys \ temp\cache files and remove them.

Well I installed the newest version which is 4.1 with the voice command and it works great.

Working great
I would make sure you have the version available for the windows 6.5. Other than that I can't think of anything that would cause this problem besides the fact you don't have the GPS turned on for both the phone and the program.

[Q] Navigation/Waiting for location

I use car panel for navigation occasionally. Lately it just spins waiting for location. It's searching right now and doesn't look like it will work again. Tried it earlier today never did connect.
I don't take phone updates. Have 2.2 rooted stock roms and kernel but it's been fine till lately. Little slow connectiong but not like now.
Any ideas?

Try updating Profile and PRL, then reboot. Also, you might want to try turning on WiFi. It helps GPS lock quicker.

I had the exact same problem with 2.3.3 OTA, and so does the only other person I know with a Shift. It seems to be a consistent problem.
I can give you two solutions.
a. Use Telenav instead of Google Nav. I've never experienced any problems with Telenav, and it comes pre-installed on every Sprint smart phone and feature phone so I was already familiar with it. (Non-android phones it's called "Sprint Navigation Powered by Telenav")
b. Root, install Clockwork Mod, then install another ROM. Google Nav is actually a great program, and I like it better than Telenav, but it just doesn't work well on the factory ROM for whatever reason. I installed CM7-nightly build 179 last night, and Google Nav now works like a dream. (You have to do some digging and install all the google apps seperately) As an added bonus, when you install the full suit of google apps available, you get a much better car panel than the SenseUI car panel. You can set it to come on automatically when your phone connects to the BT in your car, and you can customize the launchers instead of being stuck with the layout HTC gives you.