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WM6 Core (Non Beta) - Question

I'm trying to get my hands on the non-beta core, Windows Embedded CE 6.0 is what I would be looking for correct?
(Just trying to help out )
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Hi,
Count me in, would be awsom!
Cheers, Leo

no it's not.
WM is BASED on CE it is NOT CE.
wm5 and 6 are both based on CE 5.0, but getting CE 5.0 will not get you wm5/6

Midget_1990 said:
no it's not.
WM is BASED on CE it is NOT CE.
wm5 and 6 are both based on CE 5.0, but getting CE 5.0 will not get you wm5/6
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So, then what am I looking for exactly? If it's not Windows Embedded CE 6 ... what should I be looking for?
EDIT:
I was just looking up Windows Embedded CE 6, it sure sounds like the base core for WM6? If someone could let me know, I likely can get the non-beta core.
Embedded: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms376742.aspx
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lirathal said:
So, then what am I looking for exactly? If it's not Windows Embedded CE 6 ... what should I be looking for?
EDIT:
I was just looking up Windows Embedded CE 6, it sure sounds like the base core for WM6? If someone could let me know, I likely can get the non-beta core.
Embedded: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms376742.aspx
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Windows CE 5.x is the core for Windows Mobile 5 and 6. You should get MS Platform Builder for this. Windows CE 6.x will be for feature versions of Windows Mobile and Thin Clients, etc...
Eelco

Windows mobile 5/6 is BASED on CE 5, hence the 5.1/5.2 kernels.
Windows mobile source IS NOT avaliable on msdn (you don't think we've tried )
The ONLY people with access are OEM's and Developers.
HOWEVER!
As with all restricted data there is allways a leak somewhere
Most devs who might want PB/BSP's can get/have what we need allready, if you want for yourself then you have to look VERY HARD on the rest of the netz
Good luck!

Midget_1990 said:
Windows mobile 5/6 is BASED on CE 5, hence the 5.1/5.2 kernels.
Windows mobile source IS NOT avaliable on msdn (you don't think we've tried )
The ONLY people with access are OEM's and Developers.
HOWEVER!
As with all restricted data there is allways a leak somewhere
Most devs who might want PB/BSP's can get/have what we need allready, if you want for yourself then you have to look VERY HARD on the rest of the netz
Good luck!
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Hmm...
Okay I'm not looking for the non-beta core myself. I wouldn't know what to do with it if I got my hands on it.
Every ROM that has been posted here as been based on the Beta Core for WM6 (to my knowlege). I'm just trying to offer to use my contacts to get the non-beta core if possible to help the community. I do have a contact, but I just have to point them to the right stuff 'we' are looking for.
If anyone wants it, or knows how to identify it, please let me know ... and I'll do my best to provide it if possible .
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Well I wonder if I totally have the concept of how this actually works wrong. I was reading the MSDN documentation about the Embedded. Now as I understand it Microsoft distributes the Embedded framework to manufacturers and it's they who create the operating system for their hardware. So in essence anything that I get straight from Microsoft will be pretty much useless to Helmi, J and the others that are creating ROMs for us newbies (read: I'm a newbie) .
am I totally out to lunch? Sorry if I am, I was just trying to give back for all that I have leeched!
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You would nee Windows Mobile Source which is not avaliable on msdn. Also a BSP (board support pack) would be needed from HTC.

Midget_1990 said:
You would nee Windows Mobile Source which is not avaliable on msdn. Also a BSP (board support pack) would be needed from HTC.
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The only reason I mention MSDN is for reference only. I realise it's not on MSDN. So lets stop pretending that I'm making that mistake . I use MSDN all the time for my consulting firms.
What I am trying to get for the developers here is the "Windows Mobile Source" that you mentioned above. The only reason why I am trying to do this is to get a newer (and hopefully non-beta core) to the developers that spend their time working to get us better ROMs.
Now, to put it bluntly, I have someone that I can contact to get access to neat things within Microsoft. Hopefully this is one of them. What I am really looking for is someone to give me the answer to the question: "What am I asking for".
I'd hate to ask for the wrong thing, bug my contact, and have nothing to show for it for the XDA community.
Hope that is a bit more clear
L

Oh i get you now Too many people with msdn subscriptions ahve seen CE 6.0 and come running with chants of "i can get your windoze mobile 6 source!"
The best i can tell you is to ask for the "windows mobile source tree" the right platform builder to go with it and as many BSP's as you can get your hands on (for multi device support)
However I don't think a public forum is the best place to discuss this... see my PM.

God, I love it when stuff goes covert

Linux without HaRET? U-Boot impossible to use?

Hi there!
As I am using an HTC Touch now, I have a spare Magician which I want to try Linux on.
I have seen many projects like openMOKO, GPE etc. on the net, but they all have in common that HaRET is used to start on the Magician. What I would like to do is to flash a Linux-Image over the WM2003 (i. e. directly into the internal flash), so I have kind of a "native" Linux PDA.
AFAIK, the boot loader "U-Boot" is able to boot an HTC Hermes, so what is the problem with Magician? Does it contain such incompatible hardware or is it due to lack of interfaces (serial port, hardware console to control U-Boot etc.)?
My experience level: I have built some embedded Linux Systems based on WiFi Router boards (Realtek, MIPS), but this is my first ARM/Intel PXA project. So I am somewhat concerned not to brick the device right at the beginning ;-)
Thanks,
Schlot

linux on magician!
schlot said:
Hi there!
As I am using an HTC Touch now, I have a spare Magician which I want to try Linux on.
I have seen many projects like openMOKO, GPE etc. on the net, but they all have in common that HaRET is used to start on the Magician. What I would like to do is to flash a Linux-Image over the WM2003 (i. e. directly into the internal flash), so I have kind of a "native" Linux PDA.
AFAIK, the boot loader "U-Boot" is able to boot an HTC Hermes, so what is the problem with Magician? Does it contain such incompatible hardware or is it due to lack of interfaces (serial port, hardware console to control U-Boot etc.)?
My experience level: I have built some embedded Linux Systems based on WiFi Router boards (Realtek, MIPS), but this is my first ARM/Intel PXA project. So I am somewhat concerned not to brick the device right at the beginning ;-)
Thanks,
Schlot
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hi dude..
i jus tried the OPENMOKO(linux) on my magician it looks very promising but most of the features r not yet working properly..plus i tried alot but wasnt able2 find even d sound settings it seems very complicated at this stage but hope ppl developing it might make it much more better n user friendly..
The speed of responding is another issue but i can say 1 thing the graphics the gui is flawless..loved using it for around 2days den was bugged so switched back to TX 2.03 rom which presently seems d best..
just hope some 1 in our forums may b some senior member takes interest n tries to develop a wm6 or atleast wm5 for our magician..
Hope the best.
Regards Chigz.

HaRet was download Linux kernel in memorie (where been windos),becoase HardReset.
sorry for poor eng.

chigz said:
hi dude..
i jus tried the OPENMOKO(linux) on my magician it looks very promising but most of the features r not yet working properly..plus i tried alot but wasnt able2 find even d sound settings it seems very complicated at this stage but hope ppl developing it might make it much more better n user friendly..
The speed of responding is another issue but i can say 1 thing the graphics the gui is flawless..loved using it for around 2days den was bugged so switched back to TX 2.03 rom which presently seems d best..
just hope some 1 in our forums may b some senior member takes interest n tries to develop a wm6 or atleast wm5 for our magician..
Hope the best.
Regards Chigz.
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I also tried OPENMOKO and I agree it does not seem to be that stable atm.
However, I am not interested in putting WM5 or WM6 onto the device, as I already have a WM6 phone. I just want to play a bit with a mobile Linux system ;-)

Has there been any progress, schlot - or did you loose interest?

excogitation said:
Has there been any progress, schlot - or did you loose interest?
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Hi, I have not really lost my interest, but I am working on a few other projects which I (or other people) actually need, while I am going to try this one here just for fun - which makes an "ultra-low-priority"-project out of it ;-)
So sorry, there is no progress yet...
But I did some experiments with linux on router hardware, so I understand more and more what embedded devices work like.
Cheers,
Thomas

Linux OS for Touchphone

Hello, I was wondering if there was a Linux-based OS I could install on my phone (like Android, except that I hear that Android doesn't support a lot of phones yet). I am quite disappointed with the interface Windows Mobile 6 gives me and it isn't very touch friendly, and doesn't provide simple (and quick) ways to access things.
I am mainly looking for one with a much more usable interface and a decent set of applications (that either comes with it or is available with it).
Any further information on this would be appreciated.
Edit: any general information on any hacks/programs I can install to improve the general UI of the whole phone would also be appreciated. I've also heard about Windows Mobile 7 - when will it come out, and will it be a free upgrade?

I reckon WM 7 will be released in 2010, so that'll take a while.
WM 6.5 seems to be more finger friendly (the bigger start menu, etc. NO personal experience with it different from seeing today-screen and start menu on a flashed hermes), but just running M2D/TF3D on a WM 6 device already improves it by a lot.
Also, which OS you can install is limited to your device, it might be useful to mention which one you have.

Ok, My phone is a Dopod 383 Pro. It has many names sometimes it's called a HTC something, an I-Mate something and so on, but I call it a Dopod 383 Pro.
How do I get WM 6.5 on it?
What about M2D or TF3D, what are they?

noidtluom said:
Ok, My phone is a Dopod 383 Pro. It has many names sometimes it's called a HTC something, an I-Mate something and so on, but I call it a Dopod 383 Pro.
How do I get WM 6.5 on it?
What about M2D or TF3D, what are they?
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You can get WM 6.5 (BETA) on it by flashing your ROM. I'm not experienced with this, so for more information about flashing you should check out the stickied posts.
M2D (Manila 2D or TouchFLO2D) and TF3D (TouchFlo3D) are today-screen plugins by HTC, which give a bar with tabs at the bottom of your homescreen. Here's a youtube video to give you an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMAUprcFqc&feature=related
The difference between M2D and TF2D is the name, and the difference between those and TF3D is that TF3D has some more fancy animations and such, but requires more of your devices CPU power making it a bit slower.
I believe you have to flash your ROM for this aswell, with a ROM that has 1 of them built in, but I'm not entirely sure.
One thing - Before flashing, Read all information about it you can find. If you fail, things can turn nasty.
Hope that helps

noidtluom said:
Hello, I was wondering if there was a Linux-based OS I could install on my phone (like Android, except that I hear that Android doesn't support a lot of phones yet). I am quite disappointed with the interface Windows Mobile 6 gives me and it isn't very touch friendly, and doesn't provide simple (and quick) ways to access things.
I am mainly looking for one with a much more usable interface and a decent set of applications (that either comes with it or is available with it).
Any further information on this would be appreciated.
Edit: any general information on any hacks/programs I can install to improve the general UI of the whole phone would also be appreciated. I've also heard about Windows Mobile 7 - when will it come out, and will it be a free upgrade?
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Yes you can install 6.1 or even 6.5 and maybe linux, just do a search on your correspondent subsection here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
For example, if you enter on Universal section you can see linux for Uni, and there are also for other devices
Good luck,

Rather than looking for a new OS, why not change how it looks via WAD2, SPB Shell etc?

so many doubts regarding s710

Hello friends,
Am a newbie here. I bought dis phone (s710) few days back. I liked it very much. Now, as am new in using windows mobile platform, got small small doubts. I thought that all windows mobile can be called as pda's. But why this phone still comes under smartphone. And what is this VOX stands for. Is it S710, or a pseudo name. Sorry guys, am asking soo much, ryt..:x
And i was using a nokia java phone, and it has got cell info display (the network operator tower location, nearest place). Can i get it in on this... Now only the network operators name is there. And this 128MB ROM means the internal memory itslf ryt?
And, i saw about flashing the rom, many threads here. Is there anyway to back up the current one on my phone? Now its windows mobile 6 standard. I saw so many cool edits of wm here wid so many addon plugins etc. I would like to try it. but if something wrong happens in between...(thats y asked about back up of current rom, and restoring it...? is dis pakka rubbish que!! )
Sorry friends, got a lot of doubts regarding...No one, please don get irritated, ok...
Regards all..
Thank you for your kind patience.

1) Vox is in smartphone category because it doesn't have touch screen.
2) HTC give their phones names. Therefore Vox. And its model number is S710.
3) About cell info, backuping, flashing and other, you should search this forums and wiki. You will find plenty answers.

Thank you.... @ torrentonly

also consequentially a modern PDA uses Windows mobile Professional Platform while a smartphone withut touchscreen uses Windows Mobile Standard as Operating System,

TheBo said:
also consequentially a modern PDA uses Windows mobile Professional Platform while a smartphone withut touchscreen uses Windows Mobile Standard as Operating System,
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oh..thanx for the info mate....so, does any wm professional rom is there developed for 710?

no there are not.

Android on HP HX4700 PDA (no phone)

Hi there,
I'd love to put Android onto my HX4700 so I'm trying to find if someone has compiled it yet. Any ideas / links?

I did a quick hunt and found this link
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=246201
There were a load on Google, but unfortunately most of them were broken... I think that the HX4700 has full Linux support, so ultimately Android could be ported, but I'm not too sure about it. I don't really know the internal Android workings.

sigh. i wish this topic wasn't so dead on the web.
here sits my lonely little hx4700 with no android.
what to do...

Please, guys!
Somebody needs to make an android rom for hx4700!
I have it here standing with crappy windows mobile on it!
Unfortunately, I dont know how to make roms but someone here knows...more of them
So, please ppl, screw windows mobile roms and start working on android.
I think its a lot faster than windows mobile 6.1
It has a huge library of apps too! It would be great-linux or android-anything but slow windows
Don't kill this thread-we NEED android

That would be SOOOO cool!!!

I started working on this a few days ago I'm new to the android build experience though. But I do have ubuntu booting up to the login screen, and Android crapping out shortly after running init.
I'm to upload a CF image for ubuntu as soon as dd finishes and tar has had it's way with the file. I do need help and I'm asking for your's drop by and check it out, test it and help me figure out the touch screen and mouse pad. After getting ubuntu to run on these marvellous devices android should become easier to do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15135224#post15135224
Uploaded finished

Thanks a lot @foolsh for making this rom, keep up the good work

HX4700 sous Android (Seems to be working !)
Hi !
I found this :
http ://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=316311
You need to understand Russian (or use google translator) but is worst the try !
Instructions to build an Android system for an HX4700 device are here:
http ://boneshaker.devio.us/hx4700/
In addition those instrucions make you build a 2.6.29 kernel. As I write those lines, it might be possible to build a 3.X kernel that should be best suited for those devices.
Sorry for the link but the antispam regulation forbid me to do better.
Pictures of the results are available on those sites
Enjoy !
PS: I'm currently working on building this kind of system for my device (without Haret). When it'll be done I'll post the ROM.