I'm trying to get my hands on the non-beta core, Windows Embedded CE 6.0 is what I would be looking for correct?
(Just trying to help out )
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Hi,
Count me in, would be awsom!
Cheers, Leo
no it's not.
WM is BASED on CE it is NOT CE.
wm5 and 6 are both based on CE 5.0, but getting CE 5.0 will not get you wm5/6
Midget_1990 said:
no it's not.
WM is BASED on CE it is NOT CE.
wm5 and 6 are both based on CE 5.0, but getting CE 5.0 will not get you wm5/6
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So, then what am I looking for exactly? If it's not Windows Embedded CE 6 ... what should I be looking for?
EDIT:
I was just looking up Windows Embedded CE 6, it sure sounds like the base core for WM6? If someone could let me know, I likely can get the non-beta core.
Embedded: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms376742.aspx
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lirathal said:
So, then what am I looking for exactly? If it's not Windows Embedded CE 6 ... what should I be looking for?
EDIT:
I was just looking up Windows Embedded CE 6, it sure sounds like the base core for WM6? If someone could let me know, I likely can get the non-beta core.
Embedded: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms376742.aspx
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Windows CE 5.x is the core for Windows Mobile 5 and 6. You should get MS Platform Builder for this. Windows CE 6.x will be for feature versions of Windows Mobile and Thin Clients, etc...
Eelco
Windows mobile 5/6 is BASED on CE 5, hence the 5.1/5.2 kernels.
Windows mobile source IS NOT avaliable on msdn (you don't think we've tried )
The ONLY people with access are OEM's and Developers.
HOWEVER!
As with all restricted data there is allways a leak somewhere
Most devs who might want PB/BSP's can get/have what we need allready, if you want for yourself then you have to look VERY HARD on the rest of the netz
Good luck!
Midget_1990 said:
Windows mobile 5/6 is BASED on CE 5, hence the 5.1/5.2 kernels.
Windows mobile source IS NOT avaliable on msdn (you don't think we've tried )
The ONLY people with access are OEM's and Developers.
HOWEVER!
As with all restricted data there is allways a leak somewhere
Most devs who might want PB/BSP's can get/have what we need allready, if you want for yourself then you have to look VERY HARD on the rest of the netz
Good luck!
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Hmm...
Okay I'm not looking for the non-beta core myself. I wouldn't know what to do with it if I got my hands on it.
Every ROM that has been posted here as been based on the Beta Core for WM6 (to my knowlege). I'm just trying to offer to use my contacts to get the non-beta core if possible to help the community. I do have a contact, but I just have to point them to the right stuff 'we' are looking for.
If anyone wants it, or knows how to identify it, please let me know ... and I'll do my best to provide it if possible .
L
Well I wonder if I totally have the concept of how this actually works wrong. I was reading the MSDN documentation about the Embedded. Now as I understand it Microsoft distributes the Embedded framework to manufacturers and it's they who create the operating system for their hardware. So in essence anything that I get straight from Microsoft will be pretty much useless to Helmi, J and the others that are creating ROMs for us newbies (read: I'm a newbie) .
am I totally out to lunch? Sorry if I am, I was just trying to give back for all that I have leeched!
L
You would nee Windows Mobile Source which is not avaliable on msdn. Also a BSP (board support pack) would be needed from HTC.
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You would nee Windows Mobile Source which is not avaliable on msdn. Also a BSP (board support pack) would be needed from HTC.
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The only reason I mention MSDN is for reference only. I realise it's not on MSDN. So lets stop pretending that I'm making that mistake . I use MSDN all the time for my consulting firms.
What I am trying to get for the developers here is the "Windows Mobile Source" that you mentioned above. The only reason why I am trying to do this is to get a newer (and hopefully non-beta core) to the developers that spend their time working to get us better ROMs.
Now, to put it bluntly, I have someone that I can contact to get access to neat things within Microsoft. Hopefully this is one of them. What I am really looking for is someone to give me the answer to the question: "What am I asking for".
I'd hate to ask for the wrong thing, bug my contact, and have nothing to show for it for the XDA community.
Hope that is a bit more clear
L
Oh i get you now Too many people with msdn subscriptions ahve seen CE 6.0 and come running with chants of "i can get your windoze mobile 6 source!"
The best i can tell you is to ask for the "windows mobile source tree" the right platform builder to go with it and as many BSP's as you can get your hands on (for multi device support)
However I don't think a public forum is the best place to discuss this... see my PM.
God, I love it when stuff goes covert
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Hi Everyone,
first of all, english is not my language, so please be patient.
In my line of work, i usually have to develop some sort of embedded sytem, using small microcontrollers. Nevertheless somethimes this systems gets too big and i need to end using a Pc with Linux or paying windows xp licenses.
I found that CE is really cheaper.
How can i build my own WM6 OS for a mini-itx computer?.
I know this is out of topic, but i also would like to know how can this be built for the Wizard too.
Can i download somehow a Platform Builder for WM6 and build the OS?
I know that there was something like that on WM5, but i never tried it.
Thanks for making awsome roms.
I think with something like this you'd be better off contacting microsoft directly.
Drivers would be your biggest issue.and i believe only microsoft would have the manpower to develope these for you.
Post your question here. You may get more answers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260
Where can I download platform builder for windows mobile 5.0?can anyone help me?
You can't.
PB for Windows Mobile (not CE!) is not available to the general public. You need to be an OEM recognized by MS to get one.
You could always try P2P networks, but its 7-9GB download and there is no guarantee some one leaked the real thing.
Does Platform Builder for Windows Mobile 5.0 contain WM2005?
What exactly are talking about?
It seems you have your terminology confused.
WM is short for Windows Mobile. 2005 was the initial name for the 5 version until MS (that stands for Microsoft) did an official release and everyone started calling it WM 5. Some still refer to it as 2005 (as in the year it was released).
Why do you want the Platform Builder any way? You can't make a new ROM with it.
If you jut want some code samples get the PB for CE or if you want to translate the interface (localize your device) just use a ROM dump.
Thank you for replying.
Need AKU and platform builder
Hi,
How are you able to get AKU and platform builder for Windows Mobile 5.0.
Thanks,
Niraj
Buy Platform Builder
I am interested in buying the Platform Builder if you still have. Send me how. Thank you.
5thWheel said:
Hi,
I actually have a legitimate "Windows CE 5.0 with Platform Builder". It has product keys, holograms, everything! I came across this thread when I was googling to see if it was worth my eBaying it!
If anyone is interested, I can put up an eBay auction with a reserve of maybe £50 (it cost me £250, was worth around £500 when I bought it!).
I have "Windows CE.Net [AKA "CE 4.2"] with Platform Builder" as well; again, if there is actually some interest I can eBay it and post a link to the auction. I wasn't going to bother as it didn't look like it was going to be worth the listing fee (no one seems to sell these any more, but 4.2 was easy to buy from various UK retailers at the time, and there were a few 5.0's going on eBay when I got mine).
The CE 5.0 is completely unused (project was cancelled before I even got to start on it!); I installed 4.2 a while ago to make an OS for a device I was working on, but the project was abandoned in the end. I've since canned the PC it was on. Both products are "mine".
Just to clarify in case anyone is confused, Platform Builder is a tool that one uses to make an operating system to run on a device. I would *imagine* you could make an XDA ROM with it, if you had either some support from the device manufacturer, or were very knowledgeable - I made ROMs for a couple of ARM and x86-based "PC cards", and tweaked a ROM for a PDA-like card, but I don't know if XDAs are more complicated. You'd usually want an SDK to accompany the target platform, I think, and ideally an example ROM workspace. Sorry to anyone who already knows this, and hopefully I'm not talking out of my hat WRT XDA development (I only just found out what AKU stands for, I just didn't want anyone expressing an interest who didn't know what they were getting into (Platform Builder is IMO pretty hardcore! But OTOH, pretty good fun! You get lots of the WinCE source and can poke at it if you need to!)
Wrt terminology, I *belive* "Windows Mobile 5" is an implementation of "Windows CE 5", a bit like Ubuntu is a distribution based on Debian? OTOH I wouldn't like to bet, I found all the 4.2, .Net, CE, Mobile, Pocket PC nonsense very confusing, even at the time I'd always assumed that mobile 6.1 was based on CE6.1, but apparently it is based on CE5.2, which I guess means CE6 doesn't exist, so go figure
Windows Mobile 2003 was certainly an "implementation" of CE 4.2, because Wikipedia says so.
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nevermind. there is a free (120-day) evaluation here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downLoads/...50-D311-4F67-9FB3-23E8B8944F3E&displaylang=en
This is enough to build a device driver... right?
Windows CE 5.0 and Platform Builder 5.0
5thWheel said:
Hi,
I'll put it on eBay at the weekend and post the link here: was it 5.0 or 4.2 you were interested in?
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Windows CE 5.0 and Platform Builder 5.0.
windows ce plat form builder 3
well if anyone who has a palm treo 800w and you want to use the verizon 800w update will need platorm builder 3 to use the update im reading in the update what i need to update it i will paste it here if anyone can help i would really like it
well here is what is written
joplin image updater 1 connect usb cable to board 2 open platformbuilder 3 open fashbin workspace 4 attach 5 flip wifi switch to down load image ehen it goes on to describe errors that you could get like bat to low to update well i want to know if anyone can come up with any ideas im going to see if i can get the files mentioned and ill upload then if i can
anyone got a link to or put me in right p2p direction for platform builder 7?
i have looking for Android system
and i found something http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
so maybe we can run Android on 128ram magician
Oh... all, look... he's found something! Isn't he cute? Well, it really is just something, because "making Android work" is all about "adjusting the Linux kernel to the specific hardware".
And cooking Windows Mobile ROMs (even if it includes writing a new bootloader like with Cotulla's ROM) is an entirely different thing. But why should you care to read?
forget about it...
Sorry, I am not interesting in Android.
I don't see in Android anything good for myself. At least now. But time will show.
Hi, is there such a thing as a bog standard vanilla rom, as XP is to the PC?
or does this not exist, do you have to have all the correct drivers for your device in the same way you would have to with XP for instance?
If so, I wonder could anyone tell me where I would lift the driver files from within windows mobile 6.1?
Alternatively, is there any way to just upgrade to 6.5 from 6.1, and keeping your driver base?
thanks,
Mike
Oh, were it that simple.....
Your XP CD has the most popular world languages and the vast majority or drivers already on it. The installation asks you for your main preferences and sorts the rest of it out as best it can.
PPC ROMS are built to one or a handful of languages, and are targetted at a particular phone with a particular hardware config. They are built by HTC and/or various Telco's using Microsoft's CE Platform Builder. The drivers are added here and the ROM image built.
The chefs use various tools to unravel the ROMS, mix and match, add extra bits and pieces, then rebuild them, but they still have to target a particular phone/hardware combo or you may find parts or your phone fail to function properly.
The only thing that can be considered 'Bog standard' is the original ROM that your phone came with or any updates on HTC or your Telco's site. Once they stop supporting that model, you would have to rely on the ROMs that the chefs produce here.
Ohhhh dear, well for a start I don't have a HTC phone, I have a Ciphone C6, this means I'm waiting for the support forum for my phone to release the proper ROM.
it doesn't looks like it will be that long, but I was just wondering if I speed things up, how easy is it to pull a rom apart and take out the driver base?
Would the driver base used for 6.1 actually work with 6.5?
Mike
As regards the last question, I'll stick my neck out and say they probably would. There is not much difference between 6.1 and 6.5 and the drivers were probably written in Win32 C++ anyway.
As regards how to get at this stuff, then it is over to the chefs. My expertise is in this area is on the application development side, not ROM extraction or cooking.
There my be some pointers in the WIKI. Anyone want to shed any more light?.........
this guy seemed to get some of the way there, but the thread seems to have just died, maybe someone can pick up the story here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596076
Mike
Hey Guys,
1) sorry if this has come up before, search-fu is weak and nothign relevant seems to come up with the "Similar threads" thing.
2) My provider has all but forced me off Windows Mobile, which is fine, since with sideloading being such a hard task on WM7, and that I would have to pay alot to get a WM7 handset and go up monthly fees too, i'm not too fussed.
So i've taken the plunge and gone for an Android phone, trouble is I have a few apps on my old windows mobile device I would love to run on Android... number 1 priority being TomTom Navigator, which yes, I could repay for, but I don't see why I should have to.
So, is there any software in the works that will let me run Windows Mobile based apps on an Android phone?
many thanks
Sorry for bringing an old topic back into the daylight, but I have the same thought. I definately need some apps of WM running on Android when I'll buy my new phone, so this kind of emulator would be a major reason to switch from my outdated Touch Pro. Couldn't something like Haret be created, just to run Windows Mobile, not Android?
There is no, for now
thanks for clearing that out, that's a pitty. But how about the future? Is it at least theorically possible to create something to have this kind of dual boot? Would Android community and developers be interesting in this?
Yeah I wish that was possible, but no.