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Hi Wizkidz, Magician Junkies, HTC Hacking Staff, and all!
Is there possible to put Linux OS to the Magician? If so, I can do it in the same way like BA? I want to try it, but I'm not sure it is possible, and if it is, will it be stable?
Waiting for replies....
See here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Xanadux
Thanks for the link.
I've already saw it somewhere, but I'm not sure that is possible on Magician. You know that a lot of PDAs supports WM5 but Magician isn't. So I think it is possible on some devices, but not sure on Magician.
Any experiences?
I don't know about those guys, but I've found a "good try":
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/magician/README
If you follow that, it boots graphical GPE and you have access to a number of applications.
The touchscreen works, but the whole thing is quite unstable on my pda - the apps keep crashing on launch - and AFAIK there is absolutely no support for phone capabilities. The sound driver is also gone. Bluetooth seems to work out of the box.
But as I said, it looks like a nice try, with a lot of potencial.
I'm trying to get my hands on the non-beta core, Windows Embedded CE 6.0 is what I would be looking for correct?
(Just trying to help out )
L
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Hi,
Count me in, would be awsom!
Cheers, Leo
no it's not.
WM is BASED on CE it is NOT CE.
wm5 and 6 are both based on CE 5.0, but getting CE 5.0 will not get you wm5/6
Midget_1990 said:
no it's not.
WM is BASED on CE it is NOT CE.
wm5 and 6 are both based on CE 5.0, but getting CE 5.0 will not get you wm5/6
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So, then what am I looking for exactly? If it's not Windows Embedded CE 6 ... what should I be looking for?
EDIT:
I was just looking up Windows Embedded CE 6, it sure sounds like the base core for WM6? If someone could let me know, I likely can get the non-beta core.
Embedded: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms376742.aspx
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lirathal said:
So, then what am I looking for exactly? If it's not Windows Embedded CE 6 ... what should I be looking for?
EDIT:
I was just looking up Windows Embedded CE 6, it sure sounds like the base core for WM6? If someone could let me know, I likely can get the non-beta core.
Embedded: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms376742.aspx
L
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Windows CE 5.x is the core for Windows Mobile 5 and 6. You should get MS Platform Builder for this. Windows CE 6.x will be for feature versions of Windows Mobile and Thin Clients, etc...
Eelco
Windows mobile 5/6 is BASED on CE 5, hence the 5.1/5.2 kernels.
Windows mobile source IS NOT avaliable on msdn (you don't think we've tried )
The ONLY people with access are OEM's and Developers.
HOWEVER!
As with all restricted data there is allways a leak somewhere
Most devs who might want PB/BSP's can get/have what we need allready, if you want for yourself then you have to look VERY HARD on the rest of the netz
Good luck!
Midget_1990 said:
Windows mobile 5/6 is BASED on CE 5, hence the 5.1/5.2 kernels.
Windows mobile source IS NOT avaliable on msdn (you don't think we've tried )
The ONLY people with access are OEM's and Developers.
HOWEVER!
As with all restricted data there is allways a leak somewhere
Most devs who might want PB/BSP's can get/have what we need allready, if you want for yourself then you have to look VERY HARD on the rest of the netz
Good luck!
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Hmm...
Okay I'm not looking for the non-beta core myself. I wouldn't know what to do with it if I got my hands on it.
Every ROM that has been posted here as been based on the Beta Core for WM6 (to my knowlege). I'm just trying to offer to use my contacts to get the non-beta core if possible to help the community. I do have a contact, but I just have to point them to the right stuff 'we' are looking for.
If anyone wants it, or knows how to identify it, please let me know ... and I'll do my best to provide it if possible .
L
Well I wonder if I totally have the concept of how this actually works wrong. I was reading the MSDN documentation about the Embedded. Now as I understand it Microsoft distributes the Embedded framework to manufacturers and it's they who create the operating system for their hardware. So in essence anything that I get straight from Microsoft will be pretty much useless to Helmi, J and the others that are creating ROMs for us newbies (read: I'm a newbie) .
am I totally out to lunch? Sorry if I am, I was just trying to give back for all that I have leeched!
L
You would nee Windows Mobile Source which is not avaliable on msdn. Also a BSP (board support pack) would be needed from HTC.
Midget_1990 said:
You would nee Windows Mobile Source which is not avaliable on msdn. Also a BSP (board support pack) would be needed from HTC.
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The only reason I mention MSDN is for reference only. I realise it's not on MSDN. So lets stop pretending that I'm making that mistake . I use MSDN all the time for my consulting firms.
What I am trying to get for the developers here is the "Windows Mobile Source" that you mentioned above. The only reason why I am trying to do this is to get a newer (and hopefully non-beta core) to the developers that spend their time working to get us better ROMs.
Now, to put it bluntly, I have someone that I can contact to get access to neat things within Microsoft. Hopefully this is one of them. What I am really looking for is someone to give me the answer to the question: "What am I asking for".
I'd hate to ask for the wrong thing, bug my contact, and have nothing to show for it for the XDA community.
Hope that is a bit more clear
L
Oh i get you now Too many people with msdn subscriptions ahve seen CE 6.0 and come running with chants of "i can get your windoze mobile 6 source!"
The best i can tell you is to ask for the "windows mobile source tree" the right platform builder to go with it and as many BSP's as you can get your hands on (for multi device support)
However I don't think a public forum is the best place to discuss this... see my PM.
God, I love it when stuff goes covert
Hi Everyone,
first of all, english is not my language, so please be patient.
In my line of work, i usually have to develop some sort of embedded sytem, using small microcontrollers. Nevertheless somethimes this systems gets too big and i need to end using a Pc with Linux or paying windows xp licenses.
I found that CE is really cheaper.
How can i build my own WM6 OS for a mini-itx computer?.
I know this is out of topic, but i also would like to know how can this be built for the Wizard too.
Can i download somehow a Platform Builder for WM6 and build the OS?
I know that there was something like that on WM5, but i never tried it.
Thanks for making awsome roms.
I think with something like this you'd be better off contacting microsoft directly.
Drivers would be your biggest issue.and i believe only microsoft would have the manpower to develope these for you.
Post your question here. You may get more answers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=260
sorry for my bad english
i am a prof C++ programer
i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy
i just want a perfect rom for the Magician
why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program
windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.
the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
So, if i understand you correct your plan is to create a wm6 rom for the magician, right? This would be really cool...
P.S.
kingt0t said:
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
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i think you mean "guys" when you say "gays"
good luck with your project!
Kingt0t, what you want to do ain't something that hasn't been thought before...yes, you can do a WM6 for magician (hell, you can invent a new OS if you wish...lol) The thing is...time.
There's no drivers for the magician hardware built inside any WM6 ROM...(well, not entirely true - there's probable a few WM 5/6 ROMs which might have a few drivers for our hardware - but not all that are required so to make a workable magician ROM).
You probably would need to create drivers for all missing/required magician hardware...oh and above all...you probably would need to create a special/new bootloader because it seems to me that since WM5, the bootloader has changed it's way of loading the Windows Mobile OSes... (They use what is now called IPL/SPL...)
I'm not trying to discourage you...it's just that we (xda community) have heard about so many people with the same thoughts, giving up after realizing the enormous amount of work that would be required so to build a working wm6 magician ROM
Anyway, if you're really into it, then start by studying what hardware the magician has and how it works...
I can give you a few ideias right now:
- The CPU (PXA272) uses what is called a strataflash (It is glued to the cpu), which i believe there's not many models with this concept(if any). Most of them uses what is called DOC (Disk On Chip).
(if this ain't true, please someone correct me if i'm wrong)
- IDK if there's a driver for this CPU model in any other PPC with WM5/WM6...
- You will probably need to disassemble alot of dlls / .sys / Etc, so to figure out the functions names; what do they do; how do they interact with the rest of the OS...etc...
- Last but not the least, you would need to strip out alot of stuff since the magician only has 64Mb ROM or you could study how HARET (for linux) works and how it allows us to boot a SD Card partition image...
oh well...start posting away if you need help...for shure some gurus in here will start dropping you ideias, concepts, tests that were already made...
Best Regards,
Keeper
P.S: honestely, if someday microsoft decides to release the source code for WM2003 (like they did for win9x and windows 2000), then maybe, just maybe, we will be able to compile a modified version with some parts of the WM 5/6/xxx...
Maybe this is a good start, at least for WM5?
Ubiquio 401 has the same PXA272 CPU and 64MB ROM as the Magician, but it comes with WM5. Perhaps the IPL/SPL and CPU drivers that come with the FW will make less work for some smart person to make a custom Magician ROM.
Here is the Ubiquio 401 ROM, maybe somebody can extract some useful stuff from it:
ubiquio-401-v1.12.26.rar
I think it's also the same as the Gigabyte g-Smart i. g-Smart i uses WM5 AKU2. I don't know which AKU the Ubiquio uses.
Gnat,
There's one big issue in all this... When someone wants to seriously mess around with an operating system and it's "BIOS" (aka booloader) having direct access to the hardware is a must. Since we don't know the JTAG test point pins for the magician and knowing that no one is willing to trash their magician so that we can find out where they are located on the magician's PCB, (which would allow us to test various bootloaders + roms, without the risk of loosing our magicians), i doubt that anyone in here is willing to do blind tests with different model ROMs / Cooked roms, without some sort of backup like this one.
Check the last pages of this thread so to see what i'm talking about...(hell, check all this thread so to see what can happen when you flash something and there's a problem with it or along the installation of it...) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319354
So, if you're willing to do this ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WallabyJTAG )...or know someone that is, then we might be able to start doing something... :-|
If we had JTAG access, we could start using the Windows CE 5.0 Evaluation Kit which would allow us to communicate directly to the hardware via JTAG and test cooked bootloaders and ROMs. (check this link for more info: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa447041.aspx )
Keeper
hope this dream come true....WM6 or just WM5 for IMATE JAM
kingt0t said:
sorry for my bad english
i am a prof C++ programer
i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy
i just want a perfect rom for the Magician
why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program
windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.
the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
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if you do this, many will make a donation for your hard work...a NEW WM5 or WM6 ROM FOR the MAGICIAN.
Wow, that's a lot of work to find JTAG points. I have even more respect for people like Helmi if he had to find JTAG points for every device he has made a WM5 and WM6 for!
I don't think I will be finding the JTAG points on my Magician - I don't want to kill it! However, if anyone has a dead, fried or water damaged Magician, I will gladly pull the BGA off and trace the JTAG points.
If the JTAG points have a specific "signature" when viewed on an oscilloscope, I would be happy to trace them that way since I do have a 100MHz DSO available.
i hope too, this dream to ours magician
Oh btw...the taxist russian guy which released the 2.01~3TX rom did NOT made a WM6 for the magician - He simply opened up a magician ROM, changed a few icons, sounds, apps and packed it again...the Operating system still is WM2003se.
if you guys want to try and mod your own roms, use the following tools: alpinenbfdecode.pl, splitrom.pl and dumprom. They are available at the itsme website. ( http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/ )
Anyway, check this thread...there's a small script on how to re-create the XIP structure: http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=3924&st=1020#entry744997
Once again, this ain't gonna change your OS (there's no WM5/6 IPL/SPL for the magician) - it will only allow you to mod a few things... :-(
Keeper
Zoneaone
It very fantastic for your effort. thanks.
are you still there kingT0T?
ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think
we need wm6 for jam
we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam
we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5
we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right
okey kingt0t...so what you want to do is something like taxist did...a modded ROM with a WM2k3 kernel core...
Well, one thing that i would suggest that you could start doing, would be a new bluetooth stack based on the WM 2k5/2k6 one (widcomm, i think)...
Anyway, idk russian and has so, i don't understand much of what is said on that link, but what i did understand is that taxist found a way of modifying the programs in a way that he could insert them has XIP (eXecution In Place), without breaking the expected original execution addresses...the thing is: he never revealed how he has done it...
There's a few guys in there that are trying to do what he has done by using the three tools that i've posted previously, but idk if they did acomplished the "XIP chain ROM address redirectioning"...
Regards,
Keeper
kingt0t said:
ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think
we need wm6 for jam
we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam
we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5
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First prioduce a WM5.0 ROM instead of talking!
Yés kingtot wm6 4 Magician it is not a dream,it is a mirage...
kingt0t said:
we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right
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I'm not sure I understand. You want a WM2003SE that only looks like WM5/WM6? But then it can't run WM5/WM6-specific apps... what purpose is that? I hardly see the point. If that's what you want, it already exists and besides, you can just use Wisbar or something similar and make a theme.
WM2003SuperSe must run wm5 apps. it's main task !!!!
still dream or stop
what's going on?
wm6 again became dream
Hi there,
I'd love to put Android onto my HX4700 so I'm trying to find if someone has compiled it yet. Any ideas / links?
I did a quick hunt and found this link
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=246201
There were a load on Google, but unfortunately most of them were broken... I think that the HX4700 has full Linux support, so ultimately Android could be ported, but I'm not too sure about it. I don't really know the internal Android workings.
sigh. i wish this topic wasn't so dead on the web.
here sits my lonely little hx4700 with no android.
what to do...
Please, guys!
Somebody needs to make an android rom for hx4700!
I have it here standing with crappy windows mobile on it!
Unfortunately, I dont know how to make roms but someone here knows...more of them
So, please ppl, screw windows mobile roms and start working on android.
I think its a lot faster than windows mobile 6.1
It has a huge library of apps too! It would be great-linux or android-anything but slow windows
Don't kill this thread-we NEED android
That would be SOOOO cool!!!
I started working on this a few days ago I'm new to the android build experience though. But I do have ubuntu booting up to the login screen, and Android crapping out shortly after running init.
I'm to upload a CF image for ubuntu as soon as dd finishes and tar has had it's way with the file. I do need help and I'm asking for your's drop by and check it out, test it and help me figure out the touch screen and mouse pad. After getting ubuntu to run on these marvellous devices android should become easier to do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15135224#post15135224
Uploaded finished
Thanks a lot @foolsh for making this rom, keep up the good work
HX4700 sous Android (Seems to be working !)
Hi !
I found this :
http ://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=316311
You need to understand Russian (or use google translator) but is worst the try !
Instructions to build an Android system for an HX4700 device are here:
http ://boneshaker.devio.us/hx4700/
In addition those instrucions make you build a 2.6.29 kernel. As I write those lines, it might be possible to build a 3.X kernel that should be best suited for those devices.
Sorry for the link but the antispam regulation forbid me to do better.
Pictures of the results are available on those sites
Enjoy !
PS: I'm currently working on building this kind of system for my device (without Haret). When it'll be done I'll post the ROM.