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Linux on Magician

Hi Wizkidz, Magician Junkies, HTC Hacking Staff, and all!
Is there possible to put Linux OS to the Magician? If so, I can do it in the same way like BA? I want to try it, but I'm not sure it is possible, and if it is, will it be stable?
Waiting for replies....

See here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Xanadux

Thanks for the link.
I've already saw it somewhere, but I'm not sure that is possible on Magician. You know that a lot of PDAs supports WM5 but Magician isn't. So I think it is possible on some devices, but not sure on Magician.
Any experiences?

I don't know about those guys, but I've found a "good try":
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/magician/README
If you follow that, it boots graphical GPE and you have access to a number of applications.
The touchscreen works, but the whole thing is quite unstable on my pda - the apps keep crashing on launch - and AFAIK there is absolutely no support for phone capabilities. The sound driver is also gone. Bluetooth seems to work out of the box.
But as I said, it looks like a nice try, with a lot of potencial.

ROM Emulation PC, has it been done?/is it possible?

Just a question to throw out there, has anybody created or know how we can emulate ROMs on our PCs to test em out, because I've heard constantly Reflashing the ROM on a PPC, (Wizard, Hermes, etc) can eventually screw up the rom, dont know if this is actually true but would assume so since the process takes 10 minutes for me and if this is possible this would cut down the testing phase of ROM Cooking considerably as well as create a safer enviroment to test on to ensure its looking the way we want it and then eventually final testing on the PPC/Smartphone for GSM quality tests and such.

No, there is not any emulator for ROMs.
By the way: just yesterday the same question was asked in another thread...
As for "screwing up ROM": the flash memory has limited amount of times it can be overwritten, but I think you can sleep in peace. I do not think you have chance to reach that limit by flashing... You would get mad from constant flashing before...
Mirek

There is an emulator for WM6 by microsoft, you can only use that for software testing purpose. You can't use buttons or anything that you have on Wizard. Remember its only for Software Purpose.

nycelitemaster said:
There is an emulator for WM6 by microsoft, you can only use that for software testing purpose. You can't use buttons or anything that you have on Wizard. Remember its only for Software Purpose.
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I wonder why people keep mentioning this in case somebody looks for ROM emulator...
FOR THE ROM EMULATION HTC WIZARD EMULATOR WOULD BE NEEDED (it does not exist).
The Microsoft emulator is WM emulator for software development... Useless for testing HTC Wizard ROMs...
Mirek

mirekluza said:
I wonder why people keep mentioning this in case somebody looks for ROM emulator...
FOR THE ROM EMULATION HTC WIZARD EMULATOR WOULD BE NEEDED (it does not exist).
The Microsoft emulator is WM emulator for software development... Useless for testing HTC Wizard ROMs...
Mirek
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Well, that is what i said, it is only for software testing purpose..... nothing else. You can't emulate wizard but you can emulate wizard rom if you convert it to BIN file to test if all the OEM packs you integrated are working fully

nycelitemaster said:
...you can emulate wizard rom if you convert it to BIN file to test if all the OEM packs you integrated are working fully
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Really? Did you try it? I think ROM contains Wizard specific things, so that it will not work... The MS emulator is usable only with MS images...
I will gladly admit my error here - if it is really possible it would be a good thing (but I doubt it)...
Mirek

nycelitemaster said:
Well, that is what i said, it is only for software testing purpose..... nothing else. You can't emulate wizard but you can emulate wizard rom if you convert it to BIN file to test if all the OEM packs you integrated are working fully
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I am partly with nycelitemaster on this.
To lift a piece of the vail:
It's possible to test a ROM on the emulator, WinCE platformbuilder has this option.
Device emulater does support hardware keys, they have to be mapped to the keyboard thoug.
EquinoXe

It should not work, because the emulator clearly stated that it emulates the Samsung CPU platform, which is not TI that used by Wizard.

i have been doing some testing on this (using a cooked wm6 rom in the ms emulator) but w/ no luck so far (didnt try the WinCE platformbuilder) . i removed everything wizard specific and left w/ a bare OS as possible but the emulator refuses the BIN....unfortunately i dont have any free time to keep testing...but a good place to start would be to examine the BIN files of the emulator (they are several) and a vanilla rom to see what is different. regardless.....might be too much work for what its worth...its a lot easier to just flash your wizard

The way our kitchens cook ROMs it is unlikely the output nb or nbf is anyhting like the correct bin format - the emulator probably needs something like a complete ROM dump where it is literally a read only image if you see what I mean.

wm6 4 Magician it is not a dream

sorry for my bad english
i am a prof C++ programer
i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy
i just want a perfect rom for the Magician
why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program
windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.
the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too

So, if i understand you correct your plan is to create a wm6 rom for the magician, right? This would be really cool...
P.S.
kingt0t said:
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
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i think you mean "guys" when you say "gays"
good luck with your project!

Kingt0t, what you want to do ain't something that hasn't been thought before...yes, you can do a WM6 for magician (hell, you can invent a new OS if you wish...lol) The thing is...time.
There's no drivers for the magician hardware built inside any WM6 ROM...(well, not entirely true - there's probable a few WM 5/6 ROMs which might have a few drivers for our hardware - but not all that are required so to make a workable magician ROM).
You probably would need to create drivers for all missing/required magician hardware...oh and above all...you probably would need to create a special/new bootloader because it seems to me that since WM5, the bootloader has changed it's way of loading the Windows Mobile OSes... (They use what is now called IPL/SPL...)
I'm not trying to discourage you...it's just that we (xda community) have heard about so many people with the same thoughts, giving up after realizing the enormous amount of work that would be required so to build a working wm6 magician ROM
Anyway, if you're really into it, then start by studying what hardware the magician has and how it works...
I can give you a few ideias right now:
- The CPU (PXA272) uses what is called a strataflash (It is glued to the cpu), which i believe there's not many models with this concept(if any). Most of them uses what is called DOC (Disk On Chip).
(if this ain't true, please someone correct me if i'm wrong)
- IDK if there's a driver for this CPU model in any other PPC with WM5/WM6...
- You will probably need to disassemble alot of dlls / .sys / Etc, so to figure out the functions names; what do they do; how do they interact with the rest of the OS...etc...
- Last but not the least, you would need to strip out alot of stuff since the magician only has 64Mb ROM or you could study how HARET (for linux) works and how it allows us to boot a SD Card partition image...
oh well...start posting away if you need help...for shure some gurus in here will start dropping you ideias, concepts, tests that were already made...
Best Regards,
Keeper
P.S: honestely, if someday microsoft decides to release the source code for WM2003 (like they did for win9x and windows 2000), then maybe, just maybe, we will be able to compile a modified version with some parts of the WM 5/6/xxx...

Maybe this is a good start, at least for WM5?
Ubiquio 401 has the same PXA272 CPU and 64MB ROM as the Magician, but it comes with WM5. Perhaps the IPL/SPL and CPU drivers that come with the FW will make less work for some smart person to make a custom Magician ROM.
Here is the Ubiquio 401 ROM, maybe somebody can extract some useful stuff from it:
ubiquio-401-v1.12.26.rar
I think it's also the same as the Gigabyte g-Smart i. g-Smart i uses WM5 AKU2. I don't know which AKU the Ubiquio uses.

Gnat,
There's one big issue in all this... When someone wants to seriously mess around with an operating system and it's "BIOS" (aka booloader) having direct access to the hardware is a must. Since we don't know the JTAG test point pins for the magician and knowing that no one is willing to trash their magician so that we can find out where they are located on the magician's PCB, (which would allow us to test various bootloaders + roms, without the risk of loosing our magicians), i doubt that anyone in here is willing to do blind tests with different model ROMs / Cooked roms, without some sort of backup like this one.
Check the last pages of this thread so to see what i'm talking about...(hell, check all this thread so to see what can happen when you flash something and there's a problem with it or along the installation of it...) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319354
So, if you're willing to do this ( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WallabyJTAG )...or know someone that is, then we might be able to start doing something... :-|
If we had JTAG access, we could start using the Windows CE 5.0 Evaluation Kit which would allow us to communicate directly to the hardware via JTAG and test cooked bootloaders and ROMs. (check this link for more info: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa447041.aspx )
Keeper

hope this dream come true....WM6 or just WM5 for IMATE JAM

kingt0t said:
sorry for my bad english
i am a prof C++ programer
i know it sounds crazy but with the computer and programing there is no crazy
i just want a perfect rom for the Magician
why we are looking to the wm6 we want any good rom
we got the program
windows mobile 2003 rom editor
we got the rom on club i-mate
we got the cab of all good and great programs
we got one silly prob.
the passcode to edit the rom file
if i get it
give me 30 day to lunch the perfect rom
i think with the united we can make the WM Magician
the russin gays did it and they give us the txx rom right i think we can do it too
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if you do this, many will make a donation for your hard work...a NEW WM5 or WM6 ROM FOR the MAGICIAN.

Wow, that's a lot of work to find JTAG points. I have even more respect for people like Helmi if he had to find JTAG points for every device he has made a WM5 and WM6 for!
I don't think I will be finding the JTAG points on my Magician - I don't want to kill it! However, if anyone has a dead, fried or water damaged Magician, I will gladly pull the BGA off and trace the JTAG points.
If the JTAG points have a specific "signature" when viewed on an oscilloscope, I would be happy to trace them that way since I do have a 100MHz DSO available.

i hope too, this dream to ours magician

Oh btw...the taxist russian guy which released the 2.01~3TX rom did NOT made a WM6 for the magician - He simply opened up a magician ROM, changed a few icons, sounds, apps and packed it again...the Operating system still is WM2003se.
if you guys want to try and mod your own roms, use the following tools: alpinenbfdecode.pl, splitrom.pl and dumprom. They are available at the itsme website. ( http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/xda/ )
Anyway, check this thread...there's a small script on how to re-create the XIP structure: http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=3924&st=1020#entry744997
Once again, this ain't gonna change your OS (there's no WM5/6 IPL/SPL for the magician) - it will only allow you to mod a few things... :-(
Keeper

Zoneaone
It very fantastic for your effort. thanks.

are you still there kingT0T?

ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think
we need wm6 for jam
we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam
we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5
we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right

okey kingt0t...so what you want to do is something like taxist did...a modded ROM with a WM2k3 kernel core...
Well, one thing that i would suggest that you could start doing, would be a new bluetooth stack based on the WM 2k5/2k6 one (widcomm, i think)...
Anyway, idk russian and has so, i don't understand much of what is said on that link, but what i did understand is that taxist found a way of modifying the programs in a way that he could insert them has XIP (eXecution In Place), without breaking the expected original execution addresses...the thing is: he never revealed how he has done it...
There's a few guys in there that are trying to do what he has done by using the three tools that i've posted previously, but idk if they did acomplished the "XIP chain ROM address redirectioning"...
Regards,
Keeper

kingt0t said:
ok guys hold on you are not making it easy i think it is mush simpler then you think
we need wm6 for jam
we dont have to edit wm6 to make it work on jam
we can upgrade the wm2003se to be wm6\5
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First prioduce a WM5.0 ROM instead of talking!

Yés kingtot wm6 4 Magician it is not a dream,it is a mirage...

kingt0t said:
we can find upgrads and some great programs to creat a wm2003se rom "main platform" looks like the wm6 and include some services in it like the voice command and renew the dailer and add some upgrades i think this is mush better coz we will not play with fire we can just try to make the perfect choise in 2003 rom with some upgrades and patches right
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I'm not sure I understand. You want a WM2003SE that only looks like WM5/WM6? But then it can't run WM5/WM6-specific apps... what purpose is that? I hardly see the point. If that's what you want, it already exists and besides, you can just use Wisbar or something similar and make a theme.

WM2003SuperSe must run wm5 apps. it's main task !!!!

still dream or stop
what's going on?

wm6 again became dream

Android on Prophet ?

does the current hardware support Android ?
If it does, anyone knows when we can expect an alpha release ?

nah, don't think so. If you've watched something on the video it seems that its gonna need quite a lot ram and video memory

I read that it has quite low hardware requirements and that most of the currently available devices have the capability to run android. So I hope that our beloved prophet will be running it, too.

I'm really waiting to see it on my Prophet
What about PDAVIET can he do it >?????

good idea
i hope prophet support

SDK available here!
Enjoy!!

Has anyone managed to run android on prophet yet? I've seen several reports of android running htc touch's around the tubes. Lets make this happen shall we, even is its unusable, just for the sake of saying, "look, that's android on my super prophet.punk."
thanks.

Haret seems to boot
It starts booting the kernel
Then fade to white
When pressing power button dump back in windows.
Seem to get quite somewhere, any people who like to try?
Used this files:
http://www.myhtcphone.com/downloads/14-files/3-file-for-automatic-and-easy-installation

The android kernel as released by Google doesn't have support for alot of the hardware devices in the prophet, including the OMAP850. Linwizard does, so the first stage of getting it to work will be getting the two kernels in sync.
That said, the prophet is below the minimum ram and rom specs for android so its unknown whether it will actually be able to run or not. I suppose one could try restricting the emulator and seeing how it runs with limited memory before jumping in to the kernel conversion.

eemmmmm.... seem like prophet hardware wont support for Android...

ANDROID 0.8 boots on prophet
Hi,
After trying a lot of zimage and android images with haret, i finaly found one that boots with prophet. It's a 0.8 ANDROID made for the HTC Wizard ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403015&page=4 ). It is really slow and really few hardware is supported but it's a good step to start a good port for our prophet.
Thanks to Patoche for his work on the wizard. Hope he will continue and some people join the projetct.

will definitely try

Android on HP HX4700 PDA (no phone)

Hi there,
I'd love to put Android onto my HX4700 so I'm trying to find if someone has compiled it yet. Any ideas / links?

I did a quick hunt and found this link
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=246201
There were a load on Google, but unfortunately most of them were broken... I think that the HX4700 has full Linux support, so ultimately Android could be ported, but I'm not too sure about it. I don't really know the internal Android workings.

sigh. i wish this topic wasn't so dead on the web.
here sits my lonely little hx4700 with no android.
what to do...

Please, guys!
Somebody needs to make an android rom for hx4700!
I have it here standing with crappy windows mobile on it!
Unfortunately, I dont know how to make roms but someone here knows...more of them
So, please ppl, screw windows mobile roms and start working on android.
I think its a lot faster than windows mobile 6.1
It has a huge library of apps too! It would be great-linux or android-anything but slow windows
Don't kill this thread-we NEED android

That would be SOOOO cool!!!

I started working on this a few days ago I'm new to the android build experience though. But I do have ubuntu booting up to the login screen, and Android crapping out shortly after running init.
I'm to upload a CF image for ubuntu as soon as dd finishes and tar has had it's way with the file. I do need help and I'm asking for your's drop by and check it out, test it and help me figure out the touch screen and mouse pad. After getting ubuntu to run on these marvellous devices android should become easier to do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15135224#post15135224
Uploaded finished

Thanks a lot @foolsh for making this rom, keep up the good work

HX4700 sous Android (Seems to be working !)
Hi !
I found this :
http ://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=316311
You need to understand Russian (or use google translator) but is worst the try !
Instructions to build an Android system for an HX4700 device are here:
http ://boneshaker.devio.us/hx4700/
In addition those instrucions make you build a 2.6.29 kernel. As I write those lines, it might be possible to build a 3.X kernel that should be best suited for those devices.
Sorry for the link but the antispam regulation forbid me to do better.
Pictures of the results are available on those sites
Enjoy !
PS: I'm currently working on building this kind of system for my device (without Haret). When it'll be done I'll post the ROM.