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I've always fancied flashing my Kaiser (V1615) with a new ROM, but was always nervous because I wasn't sure of the process and didn't want to risk bricking the phone as well as all the effort needed to get everything back on it I needed. Well, a few days ago my old Kaiser met the floor and an untimely end. So I decided to take the risk and put a new ROM on it and decided on the latest Dutty WM6.1 ROM.
I read all about flashing on here and made as much sense of it as I could. Thing is, I'm very technical in general, but not very familiar with Windows Mobile or flashing. I found there was lots to read, but it was all written with an assumed level of knowledge and understanding of terminology. As a result I found it quite hard to understand. I took the plunge anyway and started, but things didn't work out as expected and I didn't understand why.
I'm not trying to be critical of all the work a lot of people have put into the documentation that is available online, it's just that when I originally approached this with zero flashing experience I found it difficult and confusing to understand. What I really needed was a concise and basic introduction to flashing. I've now been through the process and after re-reading the documentation it makes a lot more sense.
I worked out you need to run something called HardSPL before you could flash a new ROM. I'm still not sure what HardSPL does apart from CID unlock the device, but what does CID unlock mean?
I ran HardSPL v1 and it started ok, but then I ended up with a white screen. At this point I already wished I hadn't started, but no going back now. Is it known why some phones white screen? Turns out it's a common problem, so followed the instructions to recover. All was well again, but still with the original ROM.
I thought I'd be brave and stuck with it and this time tried JumpSPL1.56-KAIS instead of HardSPL as recommended on one of the tutorials. This went better and I ended up with the Tri-Color screen. I plugged my USB cable in and USB showed on screen.
Next step I thought was to flash a ROM onto the device. I ran the Dutty updater on my PC and all started ok, but when the update got to 18% I received a communication error. I tried to recover using the updater, but the same thing happened. At this point the phone wouldn't boot, so I was more than a little worried and wishing I hadn't started!
Found something that described several options for recovering from this problem. I decided to try and flash the device back to the original ROM from Vodafone. When I eventually found that ROM I ran JumpSPL again, got to the Tri-Color screen and ran the updater. This time the update completed successfully and the phone rebooted and was all working again.
I decided to leave the device as it was and started customising it myself. I'd still love to put a cooked ROM on there, especially if it helps with performance, but after the experience above I'm not very confident.
Can anyone tell me where or what went wrong? I'm going to get my old Kaiser repaired and want to try again on that phone.
My flashing routene (not ideal but it works for me)
1) run the first part of the Kaiser SIM/CID Unlocker & Changer
2) after device reboots, hold camera button and restart to check SPL
3) Flash rom/radio of choice
4) Follow HardSPL v3.07, v3.28, v3.29 and v3.56 by JockyW 's second guide "If you have problems with the above process, try this:" and flash my 3.XX SPL of choice.
Sam
Wow, I need a cuppa now
I'll go through 1 at a time... (and Sam has answered some questions already)
-CID unlock means that when the phone is loading a new device into the ROM the Carrier ID check is removed, each Mobile phone carrier has a different CID in thier OS ROMs. Unlocked means you can flash a OS ROM from any carrier or a cooked OS ROM from this site.
-The Jump SPL should only be used for replacing the SPL. Do not flash anything other than SPL's when at the Jump SPL (or SSPL). OS and Radio ROMs should be flashed from either in Windows Or By Manually Entering the Bootloaders. More info on SPL's is here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
-Have a look at flashing from SD Card to avoid communication problems, http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserSDFlash
-The most clear instructions can be found here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser#ROMx20.Upgrading
Hope this helps.
Dave
Thanks for the advice, but this is what I normally encounter when I read something on here, which is advice which no doubt makes perfect sense to the author or others experienced in flashing, but usually raises more questions than it answers in my head.
For example;
1) run the first part of the Kaiser SIM/CID Unlocker & Changer
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What do you mean by the "first part"? The thread you've linked to doesnt really explain what I'm downloading and doing.
2) after device reboots, hold camera button and restart to check SPL
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Ok. I get this assuming you mean the device will reboot automatically and I restart it to check the SPL version that gets shown on the boot screen, but why do I need to do this?
3) Flash rom/radio of choice
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So at this point I can simply plug my device into my PC and run the ROM updater I've downloaded. Working out what rom/radio version to download is a minefield in its own right.
4) Follow HardSPL v3.07, v3.28, v3.29 and v3.56 by JockyW 's second guide "If you have problems with the above process, try this:" and flash my 3.XX SPL of choice.
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I thought HardSPL needed to be run before I flashed? Also, why the different versions? Which one do I choose?
BTW, not trying to moan about everything, just posting my experiences to find out where I went wrong, but also highlight some issues hopefully other flashing newbies can relate to and authors of tutorials can draw some useful feedback from.
Only one question, do I need to CID Unlock before using Jump and HardSpl or, the Hardspl does the Supercid ?
I'm not referring about SIM since I don't care, for now
With WM6.1 - Oficiall HTC ROM
Thanks
Thanks for that one dave, on reflection i kinda missed the whole point of the thread, and as for the majority of the stuff you posted i didnt undertand that to begin with.
Also, DaveTME, if you are wanting to flash a custom rom to youre kaiser. from my experiance and from the number of times ive seen this happen. i advise against asking for reccomendations(sp?) (not saying you will but its worth saying) try a few roms out and decide from there.
Also another thing to note. if you flash to WM6.1 remember to use a 3.xx spl otherwise you'll encounter a few problems with youre device.
Sam
What do you mean by the "first part"? The thread you've linked to doesnt really explain what I'm downloading and doing.
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download the Kaiser unlocker and run the first stage of it, the program is in the linked thread.
Ok. I get this assuming you mean the device will reboot automatically and I restart it to check the SPL version that gets shown on the boot screen, but why do I need to do this?
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No, after the device reboots, youre given youre Rom, Protocol and Radio. if you hold the camera button and reset you'll get youre SPL displayed, youre looking for 1.01 olinex to be shown
So at this point I can simply plug my device into my PC and run the ROM updater I've downloaded. Working out what rom/radio version to download is a minefield in its own right.
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1) Yes, just run the RUU with youre chosen rom and thats it
2) its not a minefield, just make a decision on what rom you like and flash it. theres nothing to stop you flashing another one.
I thought HardSPL needed to be run before I flashed? Also, why the different versions? Which one do I choose?
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The 1.01 SPL will allow you to flash a cutom rom. following that you need a 3.xx SPL as they are designed for windows mobile 6.1. as for yure decision. i use 3.29, yet other users have had better sucess with 3.56. Most rom chefs will say which SPL they reccomend anyway with their rom.
-CID unlock means that when the phone is loading a new device into the ROM the Carrier ID check is removed, each Mobile phone carrier has a different CID in thier OS ROMs. Unlocked means you can flash a OS ROM from any carrier or a cooked OS ROM from this site.
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Great. Thanks for that. Makes perfect sense now
-The Jump SPL should only be used for replacing the SPL. Do not flash anything other than SPL's when at the Jump SPL (or SSPL). OS and Radio ROMs should be flashed from either in Windows Or By Manually Entering the Bootloaders. More info on SPL's is here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
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Ok. I think you mean that the SPL is a component on the device? What is the difference between HardSPL and JumpSPL?
-Have a look at flashing from SD Card to avoid communication problems, http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserSDFlash
-The most clear instructions can be found here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser#ROMx20.Upgrading
Hope this helps.
Dave
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Thanks, will have a read
DaveTME said:
Ok. I think you mean that the SPL is a component on the device? What is the difference between HardSPL and JumpSPL?
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Read the "SPL Questions" Wiki Page, it is all there and fairly clear.
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Dave
I swear I have used the Search tool, but lots of topics have HSPL in their title, and I weren't able to find any FAQ topic talking about that.
Everybody here talks about SSPL, HSPL, how to use them and so on. The only think I understood is that to flash custom roms you need HSPL, and for official roms SSPL is "enough". Could anybody tell me something more and explain me why do we need this stuff to flash a rom and not just run a .exe on the device which could do everything automatically?
I also didn't understand what the Radio is. I thought a part of the rom which manages the GSM/3G antenna, but I think I am wrong.
Thank you in advance
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I swear I have used the Search tool, but lots of topics have HSPL in their title, and I weren't able to find any FAQ topic talking about that.
Everybody here talks about SSPL, HSPL, how to use them and so on. The only think I understood is that to flash custom roms you need HSPL, and for official roms SSPL is "enough". Could anybody tell me something more and explain me why do we need this stuff to flash a rom and not just run a .exe on the device which could do everything automatically?
I also didn't understand what the Radio is. I thought a part of the rom which manages the GSM/3G antenna, but I think I am wrong.
Thank you in advance
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okay
spl = Secondary Program Loader. Think of this in the same sense as bios on a pc. (it sets where your system boots from, intialises sub system process etc)
sspl = soft spl (this allows you to flash another spl or hardspl).
hardspl = hard spl .. basically it allows flashing of any rom. It protects you from bricking your device. If you have a bad flash it just forces the phone to load into bootloader, from where you can flash another rom using pc or storage card to get your phone working again. Using a hardspl you can flash any carrier rom without cid unlocking your device first.
Radio = you are correct about your assumption as to what a radio does .
Now if you are flashing your carriers official rom than you don't need any of this stuff but different carriers set their cid in their roms so only phones that have their cid can flash those roms ... now if you like the wwe htc rom and want to flash it onto the tilt you will first need to hardspl your device or otherwise you won't be able to flash the rom ... it will time out with an error telling you invalid vendor id.
Many thanks! Now it is much clearer! Just one more question: why do people care so much for the radio and post their radio version to their signature? Is the radio revision so important? Why is it not just part of the rom?
Thanks again!
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Many thanks! Now it is much clearer! Just one more question: why do people care so much for the radio and post their radio version to their signature? Is the radio revision so important? Why is it not just part of the rom?
Thanks again!
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well radio is definitely important ... i mean if you have a uncompatible radio you will loose sound, camera, connection etc on your phone. Reason people list the radio they are using is basically to let others know what radio is working for them on the rom they have. This way if someone else doesn't know which radio to use with the rom than can use the radio they have listed. Radios are location dependant. Some radios give better reception here in states while others give better reception somewhere else in the world.
Most of the time chefs will include a radio with their rom, but some leave it out so you can choose the one that works best for you. Just a keynote to keep in mind when selecting radios is that wm6.1 roms need wm6.1 radios and wm6 roms need wm6 radios. Also DO NOT flash a radio that is intended for another device i.e a rapheal radio onto a kaiser (this will brick your device). There are exceptions to this rule. Also you should get your phone security unlocked before proceeding with flashing various kinds of radios. This will save you from getting stuck with a radio that locks itself to the device (thus rendering itself unchangeable; no matter how many times you flash another radio you will be stuck with that radio) an example of this is "the radio from hell" which alot of people in the kaiser forum got stuck with and weren't able to get rid of it until "FrankenKaiser" came along.
Hope this helps.
Thank you, it does.
Another term I read is Jump SPL. What's that?
Some poeple encounter problems trying to flash hardspl, Jump spl "jump starts" the process.
(problems like the kaiser white screen issue here)
Ok, thank you all.
Now I only have to wait for the Blackstone Hard SPL.
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Ok, thank you all.
Now I only have to wait for the Blackstone Hard SPL.
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aren't we all ... hold tight though they are close to getting it done.
How do you know that? In the placeholder topic there has been no update about the development status since a while.
WOW!!
Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you to thesire and joel2009 for being so extremely nice to a newbie!!! This is probably one of the first posts I have seen where a newbie doesn't get their head bitten off for asking a question. (I don't think I've ever asked a question for that very reason! LOL)
I was searching for the answer to 'what is SSPL' because I couldn't find it in the Wiki acronyms section. What a pleasant surprise! Sorry if this steers away from the topic but I just could NOT pass over this thread without saying THANKS!!!!!!!!
You wont get flamed for asking Questions in this Forum
as for the Acronyms, try here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=265
more here : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=FAQ#techicalJargon
my friends, you need to master the art of searching
So I actually risked to find my skin burnt by the flame?
I didn't even know that there was a wiki/knowledge base here. Well, I actually felt somthing like that, but I completely forgot about that when searching. I searched carefully indeed, but only in the forum, and since lots of topics contain the words SPL, HSPL and so on, I was unable to find relevant results.
I'll look there next time, thank you all again.
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Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you to thesire and joel2009 for being so extremely nice to a newbie!!! This is probably one of the first posts I have seen where a newbie doesn't get their head bitten off for asking a question. (I don't think I've ever asked a question for that very reason! LOL)
I was searching for the answer to 'what is SSPL' because I couldn't find it in the Wiki acronyms section. What a pleasant surprise! Sorry if this steers away from the topic but I just could NOT pass over this thread without saying THANKS!!!!!!!!
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hahaha.... why do you think i finally posted my first post after joining for 2 years. I just didn't want to tick someone off
Now i finally understood the term "SSPL & HSPL"!
how to find original SPL FOR HD2
Does anyone know where to fin dthe original 2.10 spl for hd2 so i can return it ?
Recently, during testing TCP experience a symptom that also confirms my past experience. The most recent one I had was one of the network I connect to (I have 3 SIMs) having issue. This issue is gone after I did an OEM flash & hard reset before flashing again custom ROM.
I'm trying to understand better, thus starting this thread for all seniors and chef to educate us 'flashers' and 'noobs'
Firstly, it was said that Kaiser has different structure that actually flashing OEM before custom ROM is not needed. On Hermes, it's needed.
Question What is the primary differences that requires this?
Secondly, based on TCP's post, it seems that there're some leftover behaviour from previous ROM and hard reset does not take it 100% away. From forensic computing, we know that some data is not totally overwritten and can be recovered using special tool.
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Our phone does not use the special data recover tool for sure, but why that behaviour occurs?
When it occurred (in TCP's case), was the setting correct but the behaviour went against the setting, or the setting was incorrect due to the leftover and the behaviour conforming the incorrect setting. Which one?
Flashing OEM: there're so many version of OEM, each has it's own 'flavor'.
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What is so different from going direct from custom ROM (which is not bloated, and should perform better) to another custom than going OEM first. And if OEM is flashed, how many times it actually being needed (flashes, hard reset) to ensure its 'clean'?
What is the criteria of 'clean'?
If I bought my Kaiser in Asia, should I go with AT&T stock OEM or it's better to use HK WWE?
Should we go through whole route (SPL, Radio, OS) or just the OS?
I hope by raising this, we can understand our phone better and have a safer flashing experience
anagarika said:
Recently, during testing TCP experience a symptom that also confirms my past experience. The most recent one I had was one of the network I connect to (I have 3 SIMs) having issue. This issue is gone after I did an OEM flash & hard reset before flashing again custom ROM.
I'm trying to understand better, thus starting this thread for all seniors and chef to educate us 'flashers' and 'noobs'
Firstly, it was said that Kaiser has different structure that actually flashing OEM before custom ROM is not needed. On Hermes, it's needed.
Question What is the primary differences that requires this?
Secondly, based on TCP's post, it seems that there're some leftover behaviour from previous ROM and hard reset does not take it 100% away. From forensic computing, we know that some data is not totally overwritten and can be recovered using special tool.
Question
Our phone does not use the special data recover tool for sure, but why that behaviour occurs?
When it occurred (in TCP's case), was the setting correct but the behaviour went against the setting, or the setting was incorrect due to the leftover and the behaviour conforming the incorrect setting. Which one?
Flashing OEM: there're so many version of OEM, each has it's own 'flavor'.
Question
What is so different from going direct from custom ROM (which is not bloated, and should perform better) to another custom than going OEM first. And if OEM is flashed, how many times it actually being needed (flashes, hard reset) to ensure its 'clean'?
What is the criteria of 'clean'?
If I bought my Kaiser in Asia, should I go with AT&T stock OEM or it's better to use HK WWE?
Should we go through whole route (SPL, Radio, OS) or just the OS?
I hope by raising this, we can understand our phone better and have a safer flashing experience
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i don't have answers for all your questions, but i know for myself since i have a tilt, i flash the stock att rom before i flash a cooked rom, and the stock rom i've been flashing is the full .exe that has spl and radio with it. i feel that the rom your phone comes with should be your rom to flash before flashing a cooked rom and thats why i flash the att rom and not the htc rom on my tilt. Seems like i have alot less troubles when doing this. heres what i do with my tilt:
1.)flash stock att 6.1 rom
2.)tap screen when prompted
3.)hard reset
4.)tap screen/then do the screen alignment
5.)let the customization process do its thing
6.)after it's done and reboots i do another hard reset
7.)flash custom(cooked) rom
8.)tap screen when prompted
9.)do hard reset
10.)tap screen/then do the screen alignment, and i proceed from there with installing my aps and all.
this has always seemed to yield great results for me
msd24200,
That's what I do nowadays, after several times having issue and more convinced after reading TPC's experience.
However, the technicality (how the chipset is being written, what's the 'ghost effect' is being handled by hard reset) etc. intrigues me and perhaps by understanding this, a lot of newbies will 'listen' (as I didn't ) until more flashing started showing funny symptoms
Flashing the stock ROM using the Ship.exe will use the Stock RUU instead of the custom one, so this will also Hard Reset your phone as part of the Flash.
I can't see any reason why a stock ROM would help, where a Hard Reset would not.
Ta
Dave
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Flashing the stock ROM using the Ship.exe will use the Stock RUU instead of the custom one, so this will also Hard Reset your phone as part of the Flash.
I can't see any reason why a stock ROM would help, where a Hard Reset would not.
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Dave
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Dave,
Your response basically answers my last question in another way. To 'stretch' the argument further, how many cycle of hard reset it's required to make the phone 'clean' and load the latest ROM properly?
(Actually, what happen to the phone, the internal drive and the XIP chip by doing hard reset .. ?)
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Dave,
Your response basically answers my last question in another way. To 'stretch' the argument further, how many cycle of hard reset it's required to make the phone 'clean' and load the latest ROM properly?
(Actually, what happen to the phone, the internal drive and the XIP chip by doing hard reset .. ?)
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Just one AFAIK. As I said, the CustomRUU's we use, don't do a Hard Reset (so your phone isn't wiped when flashing Radio's / SPL's / Splashes). So you have to perform one manually, this should clear any remaining data?
Did I post this link for you to look at before? There's a bit of discussion with stepw on this.
Dave
This is what I learned/understand, the Hermes has an extended rom. This ex. rom gets written to as you use your phone. Flashing a new rom does not over write this ex. rom because not all custom roms come with a written extended rom. So information from the previous rom is left on this extended rom. The only way to clean the extended rom is to flash the OEM rom first, and then the custom rom. Thereby cleaning the extended rom and allowing phone to write new info to the extended rom.
So on the Hermes, if the custom rom comes with an extended rom, there is no need to flash OEM first. If it doesn't, then you need to flash OEM first to avoid freezes and Spontaneous HR's.
The Kaiser does not have an extended rom so there is no discernible reason to flash OEM first. I never do (except on that rare occasion where I am flashing from a new chef and he insists, in his instructions. ) I have flashed over a hundred times, and can count on one hand how many times I have flashed OEM first.
Interesting. I have the HTC RUU, I think I'll start using that to flash ROMs, and use the Custom for radios and SPLs. I'm curious if that will make a difference in needing to flash a stock ROM...
personally, I've never had an issue with just flashing a ROM (no hard resets or stock rom or anything). If I find a ROM I like, I just download it and flash, that's it.
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personally, I've never had an issue with just flashing a ROM (no hard resets or stock rom or anything). If I find a ROM I like, I just download it and flash, that's it.
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I have had to do hard resets for other various problems but none were due to a "bad" flash. I find a rom i want to play with and flash it
Flashing stock before TPC's Elite helps me out a lot. Prior to that, I never bothered with hard resets, and never really had an issue.
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Did I post this link for you to look at before? There's a bit of discussion with stepw on this.
Dave
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Dave, no, you didn't .. but thanks that you do .. especially this post is very enlightening. That's exactly what I'm looking for, the understanding of how the hardware being written/overwritten, that should answer the need of flashing OEM or not before custom and if hard reset is required.
Thanks for all that has responded ..
I flash at least 10 times a day, and have never flashed OEM ROM or did a HR after flash!
I never did the OEM thing before either, until I flashed TPCs ROM and had very strange issues. Hard reset (few times!) didn't clear it up either, only after I went back to OEM ROM (ATT for me) and then flashed TPC did all my weirdness clear up.
Perhaps it hasn't been needed before, but maybe going to 6.5 has some special conditions? Or something about the way TPC built his ROM?
Or maybe it's the fact that flashing the OEM includes the Radio so there's some extra stuff being overwritten that doesn't with a custom ROM.
Or perhaps it was just the phase of the moon combined with the low sunspot activity.
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I never did the OEM thing before either, until I flashed TPCs ROM and had very strange issues. Hard reset (few times!) didn't clear it up either, only after I went back to OEM ROM (ATT for me) and then flashed TPC did all my weirdness clear up.
Perhaps it hasn't been needed before, but maybe going to 6.5 has some special conditions? Or something about the way TPC built his ROM?
Or maybe it's the fact that flashing the OEM includes the Radio so there's some extra stuff being overwritten that doesn't with a custom ROM.
Or perhaps it was just the phase of the moon combined with the low sunspot activity.
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I'm going to try his next ROM with the HTC RUU, to see if that makes a difference at all. I think that this will all get worked out in time. I don't really want to flash stock first, mainly because I'm too impatient to start playing with a new ROM lol. I will if necessary though, only takes a few extra minutes.
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Dave, no, you didn't .. but thanks that you do .. especially this post is very enlightening. That's exactly what I'm looking for, the understanding of how the hardware being written/overwritten, that should answer the need of flashing OEM or not before custom and if hard reset is required.
Thanks for all that has responded ..
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Anagarika, you started one of the best threads I've seen since being a member. You started with very logical and good questions which are worthwhile to pursue. Your timing is perfect for me as I was trying to think of an approach that would be fruitful. I would encourage you continue to be logical and methodical to get to the answers. Real answers!
If you haven't already considered it, let me mention that it was implied that the flashing tools have limitations... no disrespect to the author is intended in my comment, but while everything he says may be true, the fact is the same tool is used to flash OEM and stock ROMs. So perhaps it was just an FYI for us all or I just didn't get the point.
This is a REAL issue. Before starting up on this board again, I used the previous kit and did my own ROMs and used other ROMs, with my tilt and blah blah. Sorry, not 10 times a day though... yikes dude! This week, when I started up again trying to revive my tilt, it hit me right away with OEM ROMs. So, I downloaded 6 OEM ROMs and the stock ROM. Because of the mood and the mode I was in, I was only looking for success and not experimentation and thus I don't have exact data. But, I can tell you that once I used the stock ROM a couple of previously "problem OEM ROMs" are working.
For me this important information should be used to find out why and how it can be improved..... That is of course if the developers want to continue to develop.
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...the fact is the same tool is used to flash OEM and stock ROMs. So perhaps it was just an FYI for us all or I just didn't get the point...
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Yet Dave said:
Dave said:
Just one AFAIK. As I said, the CustomRUU's we use, don't do a Hard Reset (so your phone isn't wiped when flashing Radio's / SPL's / Splashes).
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I take that to mean that the tool isn't exactly the same. There is a difference.
Now, the real question, for me (since I don't understand these things) is this:
Is there any difference, large or small, in a hard reset on the phone and the (I think) task 28 command issued by the OEM RUU? Dave? Anyone?
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Yet Dave said:
I take that to mean that the tool isn't exactly the same. There is a difference.
Now, the real question, for me (since I don't understand these things) is this:
Is there any difference, large or small, in a hard reset on the phone and the (I think) task 28 command issued by the OEM RUU? Dave? Anyone?
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No.
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Dave
SoberGuy said:
I'm going to try his next ROM with the HTC RUU, to see if that makes a difference at all. I think that this will all get worked out in time. I don't really want to flash stock first, mainly because I'm too impatient to start playing with a new ROM lol. I will if necessary though, only takes a few extra minutes.
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I theory it shouldnt make a difference. I rarely use RUU as I know I have fried a MB cuz of that (I am sure I had something to do with it as well)! And had an expensive brick!
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For me this important information should be used to find out why and how it can be improved..... That is of course if the developers want to continue to develop.
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Exactly my point. I didn't want to dilute TPC's thread as he's doing a wonderful job and his thread should be about his ROM
To put it another way is that:
Do we know what exactly being done on our device memory (XIP, NAND, etc.) during a ROM flash, during a Radio flash, during a HR, etc.
By knowing what's happening, we know better what approach to take. For example, most cooked ROM is sized 50-80 Mb (newer ones). Those OEM's are usually about 100Mb. I guess by flashing OEM, it overwrites a lot of the space left behind by previous ROM. However, in my view, flashing custom that has smaller size will have some parts of OEM left over (using space only as comparison). This might be useful if all chef's do the cooking based on OEM and bugs hunting also based on OEM first. This will give almost a 'standard' benchmark against which all other bugs are troubleshot.
I suggest (to myself too) to re-read the thread Dave pointed, especially the post I remarked. I've not yet understood fully what it really means, so I'll do a re-read.
As a side note, I came from UIQ/Symbian before .. and it was discussed they used NAND while WM uses XIP .. (which I don't quite fully grasp also) .. and there's such thing as format internal drive and flashing OS too.
I just got a ATT fuze, and I think that all of the att bloatware is slowing the thing down. Is there a tutorial anywhere on how to de-brand it? If not, anybody feel like helping me out with it? I have the unlock code to sim unlock it but thats it.
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I just got a ATT fuze, and I think that all of the att bloatware is slowing the thing down. Is there a tutorial anywhere on how to de-brand it? If not, anybody feel like helping me out with it? I have the unlock code to sim unlock it but thats it.
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Hi, do u mean taking the logo off the front of the device or flashing a faster rom? for rom make sure u flash Hard spl(check the noob guide) and for the logo if its not actually in the glass on the front then u would open your phone cover up and scrape the logo off(not recomended). once u have hard spl u can change the logo that shows when u turn it on and the gay att animation.
That's pretty much what this entire forum is all about. You need to check out the ROM section of the Raphael sub-section and read the sticky's there. I would HIGHLY recommend installing the Energy ROM series. If you are going from the AT&T ROM to that you will be floored with the increase in speed and just overall sexyness.
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That's pretty much what this entire forum is all about. You need to check out the ROM section of the Raphael sub-section and read the sticky's there. I would HIGHLY recommend installing the Energy ROM series. If you are going from the AT&T ROM to that you will be floored with the increase in speed and just overall sexyness.
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Yea, I got that much after I posted. I'll check out the energy ROM, thanks for the recommendation.
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Hi, do u mean taking the logo off the front of the device or flashing a faster rom? for rom make sure u flash Hard spl(check the noob guide) and for the logo if its not actually in the glass on the front then u would open your phone cover up and scrape the logo off(not recomended). once u have hard spl u can change the logo that shows when u turn it on and the gay att animation.
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Just the software/firmware. I could care less what the phone actually looks like as long as it works correctly.
Anybody have any recommendations on what ROM to flash? It's actually going to my girlfriend once I get this ATT branding off of it, so the easier to use the better. I was thinking about just loading the unbranded touch pro's ROM if I can find it, unless the cooked ROMs would be ok for someone who probably won't want to reflash ROMs often.
If you need stability, flash a WM6.1 ROM, the WM6.5 ROMs are still beta and a little buggy.
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Anybody have any recommendations on what ROM to flash? It's actually going to my girlfriend once I get this ATT branding off of it, so the easier to use the better. I was thinking about just loading the unbranded touch pro's ROM if I can find it, unless the cooked ROMs would be ok for someone who probably won't want to reflash ROMs often.
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EneryROM - a totally different experience.. try it ...
I think I'm gonna try one of the engeryrom 6.1 ROMs. Thanks guys!
Out of curiosity, lets say that I brick the phone, anyway to bring it back?
jwx said:
I think I'm gonna try one of the engeryrom 6.1 ROMs. Thanks guys!
Out of curiosity, lets say that I brick the phone, anyway to bring it back?
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To brick your phone implies that is is dead and cannot be brought back.
There are very few instances where a device cannot be bought back.
If you read the Noob flashing guide, make sure you have Hard SPL installed and follow the directions to the letter, you won't brick your phone.
One thing to remember, as you start flashing ROMs, you will want to flash back to stock ROM in between flashing customs ROMs as the RUU wrappers do not completely overwrite the previous ROMs but flashing back to stock does.
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To brick your phone implies that is is dead and cannot be brought back. There are very few instances where a device cannot be bought back.
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So bricking a phone would be one of those instances where it's not coming back, right? I just want to make sure that I understand it...
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If you read the Noob flashing guide, make sure you have Hard SPL installed and follow the directions to the letter, you won't brick your phone.
One thing to remember, as you start flashing ROMs, you will want to flash back to stock ROM in between flashing customs ROMs as the RUU wrappers do not completely overwrite the previous ROMs but flashing back to stock does.
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I'm not really planning on reflashing a lot honestly, since it's not my personal phone. If that was the case, then I'd probably play a bit more with it.
It does look pretty straight forward but I always tend to worry a bit when I do something new. I don't really expect anything bad to happen though.
Just a warning, its very addicting....
It looks like it is. I wish my e63 had the same hacks that these have for them. I see a lot of room for improvment on it...
I wouldn't say all the 6.5 ROMs are buggy. Get the latest EnergyROM which is 6.5. The buggy ones are 6.5.1 which are changing the UI.
First.off all lets stop the discussion about which is the best ROM! LOOK FIRST into debloating a stock ROM. Arupenthal and myself have good threads about it. SECOND look into hardSPL and understand what it does. THIRD I agree that a good start would be a 6.1 based ROM again arupp and NRG (2.0) ROMs may be the best start. Careful flashing a stock HTC TouchPro ROM. It may work w/o hardSPL but the keyboard layout differs and requires at least one more cab (fuzekeyboard) and even ATT connection setup.. Be patient read a lot and understand what you are doing and what'ss going on!! It'll take some time but Rome wasn't built in a day either
Hi guys,
nice work from JockyW, ookba and everyone doing the job to bring us excellent software (pls if i forgot anyone, don't be mad ). I really appreciated the RUU_MAPL_3VOLUTION_WM65_3VO.2.50.112509 for a long time but I will sell my Maple now. It time to move on and try something new. Thats why I need to go back to the Official HTC ROM. I just cannot get it to work...
Obviously just flashing the original HTC Rom won't do the job because of the Hardspl, but how do i get around this. I just need some help on going back.
Thanks in advance, UKFencer
160 hits and nobody got an idea...? Or is the answer too simple?
If i am missing something pls point me to it.
Thanks,
UKFencer
Sorry, I don't think I have any idea. I *think just flashing the original ROM should work, I have upgrade/downgraded other phones with factory/custom roms with no problem. I have a question on top of yours. If I don't Hard SPL, what do I lose? There's a thread about downgrading the HardSpl to 1.19 or 18, I don't know if that helps. I would like an answer to my AT&T question as well. Sorry about hijacking your topic but I at least bumped it.
Download original rom in HTC website. Thats all.
Or you could use goldcard model to flash back to original WWE ROM
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Or you could use goldcard model to flash back to original WWE ROM
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where can i get that?
Sorry, for not replying any earlier, but was finishing my finally year project...took longer than i thought...anyway now i back to re-install the original firmware...
@Sonnguyen
doesn't work because of HardSPL...tried it.
@alinkwok
yeah, i've read about it...without a seccond mobile, i'll have to buy the software if i recall correctly.
So, any other tips where to look for howtos...?
UKFencer
Have you ever imagined looking into Wiki
If I were your Maple buyer I would apreciate more to have it upgraded to a cooked ROM, rather to have ugly stock.
You can go back and install any ROM you want
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Have you ever imagined looking into Wiki
If I were your Maple buyer I would apreciate more to have it upgraded to a cooked ROM, rather to have ugly stock.
You can go back and install any ROM you want
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Yes, I agree with your sentiments regarding the ROM, point is however that once the custom ROM is flashed with the Hardspl, the original ROM cannot be flashed back, which is sometimes required, especially if something happens to the phone and it has to be returned for repairs etc to the retailers.
Strange, it´s the 1st time I know that an HTC device can´t go back to original ROM...
I´ll do some research...
The original SPL is included in the package you downloaded from here..... Just have to use it, flash original rom, and you are on your way....
How exactly do I flash the original spl nbh file? I tried replacing the hard spl nbh with the original and running RUU but the spl remained the same.
you need to get the one from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=558003
there is a folder marked original spl in there. it is the same process you did when you put the hard spl on there, just using the original nbh