Can anyone work ok getting a multi touch browser to work on 5.0.2h?????
you would be my hero forever!!!!!!!
afaik the browser in the Haykuro builts is newer and much faster than the old one. You would have to compile the multitouch patches not only into the browser but also in the dalvik vm.
btw, i always found the multitouch browser function to be choppy and not as nice as on the iphone. Never used it really. and I dont get why somebody wants to do that.
To me... the newer builds seem slower as far as the browser goes. I have to agree about multitouch... completely useless in Android. They will never be able to fully implement it anyways (legally).
I also liked the multitouch browser. On a page with a few lines of smaller text, I could just zoom those words, and zoom back out really easily.
I was also always hopeful that someone would get it working with maps, and make that gallery demo into a real app. I found that demo really impressive!
The main reason that i was hoping to get the multitouch browser is it seemed faster and i liked the ability to zoom with multitouch it worked great for me!
Just wait for the next jf update, the cupcake update will be out soon and will be just as good. Im sure jf will incorporate multi touch into cupcake.
sino8r said:
To me... the newer builds seem slower as far as the browser goes. I have to agree about multitouch... completely useless in Android. They will never be able to fully implement it anyways (legally).
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the browser seems slower to me also. and it always jumps to the top of the old page before moving to the new page, and when you presss back it has to reload the entire page again...
joeydsmith said:
the browser seems slower to me also. and it always jumps to the top of the old page before moving to the new page, and when you presss back it has to reload the entire page again...
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I'ed rather have double tap zoom anyways... lol
The browser in Hayruko seems much faster to me, especially when switching to landscape mode and back and when minimizing it and going back to the homescreen it doesn't take any time to refresh like it used to.
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Last night I flashed 1.5 Dudes build on my phone and when i was playing with my good old clock widget it, i normally just drag it about even though the screen i use it on is full so it just goes back to its normally place
but for some reason i dropped it and it went behind some of my shortcuts and widgets, everything was working fine :\ but then i noticed i actually really liked it being underneath
so is it possible to have that as a feature?
Not experiencing that. I'm on Dude's 0.8
It's happened to me occasionally with haykuros G build, but i've never been able to solidly replicate it, and of course I moved it before i decided i'd like it there
It may not be an installed feature...
But, it is possible to have layers... Just check out SweeterHome. That app allows layers of images, trays for links, etc to be in front of or behind other images, trays for links, etc.
SweeterHome is awesome! Still has some issues with too large of a memory footprint (that is all that really causes it to force close now).
So, this can definitely be done! Just haven't heard it is a native feature in 1.5 OS.
SweeterHome
Thanks guys gonna check out sweeterhome
I have played around with some of the multitouch apps (browser, maps, image-gallery examples) and found them quite impressive. My question is, can the onscreen-keyboard be hacked to allow for multitoutch?
i know the keyboard is pretty useful but it would be better to have the multi touch features. The screen supports multutouch and it is a bit stupid that apple can copyright multitouch. alot of my friends mock the android cos it doesnt have mutitouch (stupid iphone snobs)
so, is it possible?
I'm sure it would be possible. There honestly should be multi-touch support for the virtual keyboard. Not to display 2 letters at a time obviously, but to just que the second letter to allow for faster typing rather than have it skip between 2 letters. The iphone does have multi-touch support on its VK for the same exact reason of faster typing.
wardy277 said:
I have played around with some of the multitouch apps (browser, maps, image-gallery examples) and found them quite impressive. My question is, can the onscreen-keyboard be hacked to allow for multitoutch?
i know the keyboard is pretty useful but it would be better to have the multi touch features. The screen supports multutouch and it is a bit stupid that apple can copyright multitouch. alot of my friends mock the android cos it doesnt have mutitouch (stupid iphone snobs)
so, is it possible?
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so where are you seeing all of this stuff with the multi touch?
Yeah, I don't think multi-touch is available for Maps and Gallery. If I'm wrong could someone shoot me a link please?
Multi touch is only available in the browser. There were some demos you could install on your phone of the maps and gallery but they were just demos not the actual program.
As for the VK not sure why you would need it. Maybe type faster but other than that I see no need for it.
He's talking about the multitouch examples here: http://lukehutch.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/get-multi-touch-support-on-your-t-mobile-g1-today/
I don't really see what all the hype is about multi-touch. The only reason I can see it being useful is for games, and maybe if a shift key was inserted in the VK. Other than that, I feel it just becomes more difficult. Sure, it's cool technology, but isn't it easier to zoom using your thumb, holding the phone with one hand, than having to use two fingers or two separate hands? I've been running JF builds for months which multi-touch, and barely use it at all.
Multi touch allows for faster typing. Especially if you're typing in landscape mode with your thumbs going at it. I've noticed it would skip letters for me on various occasions because of it not registering hits that are too close to each other.
Why wouldn't you just open the keyboard...
I don't get it
I agree about typing. I also think the iphone's way of zooming in/out on the map is easier, too. It is all preference, but I really want the multi-touch map. Having it as an option would satisfy the masses.
To be honest, after the novelty of having multitouch on the browser wore off I found myself using the "+" and "-" buttons on the screen anyway!
fdisk81 said:
To be honest, after the novelty of having multitouch on the browser wore off I found myself using the "+" and "-" buttons on the screen anyway!
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Personally, I hate those freaking on-screen zoom in/out buttons with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. They're always popping up in the way of links that are placed at the bottom of web pages and I constantly hit that stupid button in the bottom right of the screen, opening that useless panning box. IMHO on-screen menus should never be placed in front of content. Am I the only one that thinks that's completely retarded?
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frankly i like the circle zoom!! i thnk tht wud b more convinient then the multi touch unless ur in landscape mode for some reason or another but yes i wud really like multi touch vk!! i need to b able to type faster but i still use my hardware keyboard for fast typing!
i prefer using two fingers to zoom in and out. I feel that by using two fingers you see where you are zooming and dont have a finger in the way. As multitouch is enabled in the rom, using two fingers emulates a finger press in between them, which can get quite enoying if you type fast ir knock a key by accident, u get a random key in the middle.
I know its not essential but these little things give it a nicer feel.
Chris
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Why wouldn't you just open the keyboard...
I don't get it
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It's a matter of personal preference. Is that not why we like open source so much? Some of us don't want to open keyboards every 4 seconds. Some of us have magic's sans hardware keyboards.
I for one welcome any improvements that I may or not use but in the end they are improvements.
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Why wouldn't you just open the keyboard...
I don't get it
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Because, I text a LOT. Between work and twitter and friends... I'm texting all the time. sometimes it's just faster to start typing.. plus I'm sure it's better on the hinges to not keep snapping the thing open every minute.
The important bit - get it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551119
Note - this is a link to the corresponding thread on the Dream forum. All new versions and change log info can be found there (because I'm getting fed up with maintaining two threads )
What is this?
This is a new build of the stock browser, that incorporates the multitouch code from Cyan's build, along with some additional code of my own, primarily intended to make zooming less painful, and looking to gradually move towards an experience as rich as the Hero browser.
What does it do that's new, then?
* option in settings to disable the obnoxious on-screen zoom buttons that usually appear whenever you so much as breathe on the screen (turn off "Visual Zoom Controls" in the menu to get rid of them - off by default).
* when Visual Zoom Controls is disabled, option in settings to add zoom in and zoom out to the menu (although this will bump over options that are normally on the main menu to the "More..." list)
* NEW! Double tap to zoom! Double-tap the screen to zoom in. When it gets too ginormous (about four zooms) a subsequent double-tap will zoom all the way out. (Feedback request: I'm interested in what people think of the double-tap to zoom. Does it go one zoom too far before zooming all the way out?)
* As requested by fastludeh22, there is now an option for "Mobile Web View". Enabled by default. Turn it off and you'll get the full desktop version of website such as YouTube etc that autodetect mobile devices.
What do I need to run it?
It was written to run on Cyanogen builds, originally. Others have tried it on JACxROM and other ROMs with multitouch in the kernel. I personally see no reason why it wouldn't run on pretty much any Cupcake ROM, although I haven't tried it, and obviously Cyan's multitouch stuff wouldn't work without the kernel mods.
Is this the same browser that's been doing the rounds on this board lately? What's with the version 1 stuff
Yes. I've reset the version numbering and given it a name (i.e. BetterBrowser). So this is BetterBrowser v1 (which comes after Loccy's Browser v5 ). Next versions will be 1.1, 1.2, etc. It was getting a bit silly going up a version number every time I added a single menu option!
Future improvements I'm hoping to do:
* Full screen option
* Hero-style lairy Mac-type bookmarks
* Maintain zoom level across pages on same site (so it doesn't suddenly zoom back to 1:1 level when you browse to the next page).
* tidy up what behind the scenes is, unfortunately, some really kludgey code!
Thanks go to:
* Cyan, obviously, without whom none of this would have been possible, and whose ROMs continue to break new levels of awesomeness
* makethetick, who pointed me in the right direction for the code in the first places
Raspberries go to certain individuals in this thread.
*sigh* if only we had multitouch on 32A. I dream of the day
PS for asking a stupid question =x.. but how do i push this browser into the rom? i love cm roms and having an additional feature like tis 1 is always superb!
Something like this from your PC should do the trick:
adb remount
adb shell
cd /system/app
mv Browser.apk Browser.original
exit
adb push Browser-cyan-pn-mod2.apk /system/sd/app_s/Browser.apk
okay thnx! will get back to you once i try it out
OKay so I've try it out.. the zoom is gone! Nice and Thank you.. So this browser doesn't have zoom functions?
it does have the zoom function but you zoom by pinching the screen verticly, like the iphone.
btw works ok so far just flashed it.
Oh, but mine can't seem to zoom tho, even with the pinching method did you follow the steps given by Loccy also?
alabasta10 said:
Oh, but mine can't seem to zoom tho, even with the pinching method did you follow the steps given by Loccy also?
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which phone are nyou on? it will not work on 32A devices. that is why you might not have the multitouch.
well im 32A htc magic but still i dunno where i went rong.. i tried 3 times oredy no hope and m using cm 4.01 wif gbo kernel tingy.. lol
edit: oh Ps never see u say it wont work on 32A . But thanx for telling me.. if not hu noes for how long m going to try n try.. so wheeree.. can i get d original browser back XD..
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well im 32A htc magic but still i dunno where i went rong.. i tried 3 times oredy no hope and m using cm 4.01 wif gbo kernel tingy.. lol
edit: oh Ps never see u say it wont work on 32A . But thanx for telling me.. if not hu noes for how long m going to try n try.. so wheeree.. can i get d original browser back XD..
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if you did not make a backup, just go and reflash the rom and you will get it back.
OKay Thanx! Everything's working fine now . Thank you.
Wow this is great, thanx..now can you make it stop refreashing on reopen and im desparate for a setting to lock it in landscape (somewhere i read that there used to be a setting like this in earlier version, maybe someone could copy code# from there)
fit333 said:
Wow this is great, thanx..now can you make it stop refreashing on reopen
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Afraid not - that's an Android thing not a browser. When it refreshes, it's because Android has let the browser drop out of memory to use it for another app. So when you go back to the browser it's as if you're loading it from scratch all over again. At that point if it didn't refresh all you'd have would be a blank page.
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and im desparate for a setting to lock it in landscape (somewhere i read that there used to be a setting like this in earlier version, maybe someone could copy code# from there)
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That, I could probably do.
Is there no way this browser can be used on 32A? Even with the new kernel and all? Really LOVE the functions listed down
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I've built a new version from Cyan's source that adds a menu item so that you can turn off the (in my opinion) obnoxious zoom controls that jump up in your face whenever you so much as breathe on the screen. Obviously, if you're running a Cyan ROM, you'll still have his multitouch zoom in and out. If you're not running a Cyan ROM, you zoom in and out from the menu options.
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Thanks - it's a nice improvement
does this have the double tap to zoom like on hero as well?
tazz9690 said:
does this have the double tap to zoom like on hero as well?
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Nope. Not yet. That's the next thing I'm planning, though, although if I get time today I might quickly add another settings option so you can enable/disable the zoom buttons in the menu (some people in the Dream forums like them, others not, so it makes sense to make it a user config option). Multitap to zoom is a bit less trivial though and will have to wait until later on in the week when I'm not doing my day job!
Bounce for new version (see edited first post for details).
Loccy said:
Something like this from your PC should do the trick:
adb remount
adb shell
cd /system/app
mv Browser.apk Browser.original
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adb push Browser-cyan-pn-mod2.apk /system/sd/app_s/Browser.apk
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i followed the above commands (replacing "Browser-cyan-pn-mod2.apk" with "Browser-pn-v5.apk") and now i have no browser whatsoever.
any ideas?
I was wondering if anyone has attempted to backport the brower from 2.0? I installed a 2.0 rom and I really liked the browser but the rom drained the battery too much on my phone.
sorry if this is the wrong thread
I second this request. I was really feeling the browser from 2.0, but 2.0 didn't have working camera, nor did the resolution appear to match the g1. I would love for the 2.0 browser to be "backported".
Nearly no way as there are many new things in the WebKit.
I agree too. The 2.0 browser is possibly the only feature that makes me want 2.0+ (the others are either just eye candy or slight interface changes).
I'm waiting to see if HTC will do 2.0 (or higher) for dream. I don't see the point in doing the backporting work if HTC will release it later on, so just wait. If they decide not to, then I'll try to backport some features.
Right now I'm only interested in 1. Show overview when loading page 2. Browser2 style address bar (maybe a bit more functional instead of just being a place-holder), 3. change bookmark/window view layout to the one in browser2.
Any other requests?
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Nearly no way as there are many new things in the WebKit.
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The webkit core has also been updated in master and donut-plus-aosp (and eclair ofcourse), so I could build the browser off of donut-plus-aosp and then pack the updated donut browser along with the libwebcore from that build. It should work on any donut rom.
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I'm waiting to see if HTC will do 2.0 (or higher) for dream.
Any other requests?
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A.Doubt it they probably will discontinue it by next year, supporting the new line of Andros while giving some attention to Magic.
B. May i request the price of the new phones to be 300>X
heh, funny. I'm not exactly backporting the browser, I lack that level of java knowledge, but what I can do is improve some of the 1.6's browser's features to mimic those of the 2.0 browser. I was asking for requests that I could possibly add to the 1.6 browser
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heh, funny. I'm not exactly backporting the browser, I lack that level of java knowledge, but what I can do is improve some of the 1.6's browser's features to mimic those of the 2.0 browser. I was asking for requests that I could possibly add to the 1.6 browser
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i like the address bar the most. and it needs multi-touch
yeah the address bar is awesome. it shows itself up top but if you start scrolling down it gets left up top and so does not take up real estate. this is something the iphone has done as well and its a really good implementation.
http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/6957206829
I think he's doing a full backport. I'll still go the upgrade route as a learning experience.
Wow.........too bad we cant get this on Dwangs rom yet.
That browser is so much smoother and faster, period.
Cyans newest rom has it included. FYI
Mikey1022 said:
Wow.........too bad we cant get this on Dwangs rom yet.
That browser is so much smoother and faster, period.
Cyans newest rom has it included. FYI
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ya im using it. its really nice. would be perfect if it had mt
Mikey1022 said:
Wow.........too bad we cant get this on Dwangs rom yet.
That browser is so much smoother and faster, period.
Cyans newest rom has it included. FYI
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Yeah, you can. Just ask the maker of "the fastest donut rom on the planet" to backport it from eclair onto his framework too.
He is actually not touching Eclair till the official dump is presented
Unlike another dev
I tried out Dolphin Browser for a few days and can't understand how people enjoy that experience more. Obviously I'm not trying to say that their opinion is wrong but I would like to hear how they overcame the issues I had (if it was ever a problem for them).
1. Multitouch - I understand that the stock browser (SB for short) didn't have it for a while, but dolphins was very picky in reformatting text columns after a multitouch zoom and zooming was never very smooth.
2. Bookmarks - I hated the bookmark system. It never arranged as conveniently as the SB and never remembers that I wanted to sort a-z. It also doesn't fit as many on the screen which reults in more scrolling. And why in the world would bookmarks not be an icon option in the popup menu? I do most navigating one-handed, on the bottom half of the phone so when I'm trying to access bookmarks thru dolphins I would have to use my other hand because the lack of multitouch resuts in my palm hitting the screen as I tried to tap this tiny star that is the bookmark opener.
3. Menu layout - simply don't like an intrusive menu taking up the whole screen just because I want to press the back, forward or reload button. I seem to remember a prior version having an option where the menu loadout would only occur after pressing the down arrow, but couldn't find that in this latest version.
4. Ads - nuff said
That said, what I lover is full screen browsing, seeing the subtle green bar at the bottom showing number of open windows, swiping to change windows, removing the on-screen zoom buttons and having the dedicated Google bookmarks tab are all features I will not soon forget as I venture back to the stock browser.
After the multitouch update for the SB(which I seldomly use in browsing, thanks to the awesome double-tap-to-fit feature), what other reasons do you have for continuing to use Dolphin?
Again, not trying to say Dolphin users are wrong, I oust get surprised to hear so many rave reviews when everytime I have tried it has turned out to be an unfulfilling experience.
Edit: hopefully I've posted this in the correct section (maybe General would have been better). I know some out there are very picky about what should go where.
yea i like the stock browser with MT now. Screw dolphin
somehow i feel pity for dolphin's devs..
at one time people rated them as one of the best browser out there, and when our default browser got updated, there's people open up thread just to point out its weaknesses..lol.
it's a free software, so we can choose to use it or not..
btw i myself prefer stock browser as well haha..
agreed.
I don't like how the tabs and buttons are in low resolution. It may look good on other phones but on a nexus OLED screen....it doesn't look good.
To be fair, the only big update to the stock browser since its inception (inception for me being a few months after the G1 came out) is MT, and icon-bookmarks and that wouldn't affect my final opinion of Dolphin either way. I tried out Dolphin back on my G1 and wasn't a huge fan of it then, either.
As far as the devs go, if they read my OP (highly unlikely) I really hope they just look at it as some random donkey with suggestions as opposed to me trying to say their product has no place in Android devices.
Steel in complete junk and always was. Dolphin has its moment but I don't care for MT as it is so that was never really a draw for me. The low-res icons exists on the G1/myTouch. I'm sure that Dolphin has its use and I certainly don't mind competition as that can only be good for us as end users. I prefer the stock browser as it serves its purpose very well. Dolphin needs to get rid of the confusing, unintuitive menu system.
Gestures and the "open windows" pane are excellent.
Prefer default becuase of MT/text formatting/Bookmark Icons.
Now that Stock has Multi-Touch and Double-tap to Fit-to-screen... I haven't touched Dolphin.
Dolphin is great for it's auto-sizing so far as webpages are concerned... But it's really just too much in my opinion. I like the layout of stock, and the menu is just simpler. Gestures were really startin' to irritate me too. Some are easy, but making your own and the phone would get mine about 33-50% of the time.
I started using dolphin on my g1 mainly for the full screen options and the ability to download just about any type of file to the phone. I kind of gave up on the stock browser pretty soon after I started using dolphin. however the ads are annoying & the ui sucks major ass, after reading all your thoughts I'm inclined to give the stock browser another chance.
oh yeah and the ability to hold down back and be presented with a dialogue to clear cache and close from dolphin was another big selling point for me.
loving the stock browser!!
occasionly switch over to Xscope
The bookmark syncing in Dolphin is good though....
Why does the stock not have that? (or am I missing something here)
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somehow i feel pity for dolphin's devs..
at one time people rated them as one of the best browser out there, and when our default browser got updated, there's people open up thread just to point out its weaknesses..lol.
it's a free software, so we can choose to use it or not..
btw i myself prefer stock browser as well haha..
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This is how the software world works though...
A void is found and someone/a team steps up and fills that void; in this case it was a broswer to answer the asks of all the users not pleased with this or that in the stock browser.
Once the majority of the asks were met with an update, the need for an additional installed app went away for almost all users.
If firefox comes to android you can bet everyone who is calling dolphin garbage compared to the SB will be doing the same with the SB compared to FF....just the way it works
Personally, I would LOVE FF to hit android; I really miss xmarks and adblock. Yep.
i need to try stock I've been using dolphin ever since........
Right now I Prefer the default because of Text formatting and Bookmark Icons.
Dolphin browser was pretty slick a few updates ago, then they messed it up with the menu navigation.
Gestures...full screen...and to deal with the ads...adfree (if rooted).
Hmmm... I'm not sure if I'm right bout this, but I think loading pages on the dolphin browser is quicker, I tested and compared both browsers against my co worker's Iphone, and SB loaded a few seconds behind the Iphone, then I tried it on the dolphin browser and it loaded up faster, of course I've tried this several times and got the same results. It was a very noticeable difference too, so from that point on I never used SB again.... You guys should try it out and let me know what you think.
i liked the dolphin for a while for enriched functions and the look, but then i somehow found it too overbearing for the simple task that i do every time. i may look into the firefox browser (if it ever really comes), but i am all for native as long as possible to retain native integration.
I've also found Dolphin to be quicker in loading pages than SB, which is the reason I'm using it atm. I use a browser to get around the web as quickly as possible so that the SB is slower makes it a no-brainer for me at least.
The reason I won't be leaving Dolphin Browser for now is definitely the full screen browsing. I've also grown so used to gestures for everything I think it would be hard to go back. I personally don't mind the menu taking up the whole screen because if I hit the menu button that's what I want, the menu, nice not having to do menu>more for basic stuff, long press>page or gesture to select text is also really nice. To each their own I suppose, just be glad we have options unlike some other phones *cough**cough*