Its interesting to find something like this, though i had my ti's back in high school days, for some strange reason i haven’t ran into this only a while back, the reason is i miss my ti89 but i hve my tilt with me all the time, i do not carry my ti89 but this puts any ti on the pocketPC device
It does work but for the smaller screens then PDA's some of the skinning needs to be tweaked IMO and there are almost no other skins for it, not to mention this was done for 2003
I wonder if anyone has the skills to make nice skins for this, i know the ti86 skin is lacking and the ti89 rom seems a bit slow on my tilt :/ so for basic things i would like to use ti83/ti86
what i would love is, more functionality, like a press and hold to zoom in on a selected area and to press + hold and zoom say on the screen...
also a landscape format would be very nice so that those with keyboards could use the keys
the source for this would be nice, but i dont see it, maybe some dev's can contact those individuals? and open up that project? as pda/pocketPC's are getting pretty powerful and with bigger screens
get it at http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/309/30978.html
drutort said:
Its interesting to find something like this, though i had my ti's back in high school days, for some strange reason i haven’t ran into this only a while back, the reason is i miss my ti89 but i hve my tilt with me all the time, i do not carry my ti89 but this puts any ti on the pocketPC device
It does work but for the smaller screens then PDA's some of the skinning needs to be tweaked IMO and there are almost no other skins for it, not to mention this was done for 2003
I wonder if anyone has the skills to make nice skins for this, i know the ti86 skin is lacking and the ti89 rom seems a bit slow on my tilt :/ so for basic things i would like to use ti83/ti86
what i would love is, more functionality, like a press and hold to zoom in on a selected area and to press + hold and zoom say on the screen...
also a landscape format would be very nice so that those with keyboards could use the keys
the source for this would be nice, but i dont see it, maybe some dev's can contact those individuals? and open up that project? as pda/pocketPC's are getting pretty powerful and with bigger screens
get it at http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/309/30978.html
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I disabled touch flo 3d right away because it seems like pointless eye candy. It seems like a sloppy rough integration that is a greater impedance than an assistant. Or is it just me
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
its the first thing i disabled. in my opinion its pretty darn ugly...except for the weather thing, its kind of cute. but i like having all my stuff on the home screen where i can see it all at once
As you can see, you are clearly outvoted. They had the same poll over at ppcgeeks (How many are still using TouchFlo3D) and of the 320 people who participated,80% were still using it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=482651
TF3D brings an essential level of style to Windows Mobile.
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Style, schmile!
If I wanted style I'd have the Jesus phone that Apple makes - with one of the great cases from Vaja.
Instead, I want to look at my screen and gain information. On my day, on the stock market, on the weather and on the number of messages I am currently blowing off.
I too liked the weather bit. I also appreciated that TF3D goes a good job at memory management. Maybe when I get the time to learn how to customize it, I'll return to TF3D.
For now, though it is back to WinMob running Pocket Breeze in full screen mode with panels for pA and Pocket Weather.
I really like it. It gives me access to what I need to see when I glance at the screen (except tasks) and finger-touch access to programs.
It does screw up maybe once a day though requiring a soft reset. I applied the mods recommended and they made my TP freeze a lot so I changed them back to default.
It's actually a great enhancement to WM. almost everything that needs to be readily accessible is "touchable" no need to get irritated and use the tip of my nail to make sure I press it just right. Even the corner X close button works almost flawlessly because the screen touch area is now flush.
I know there has been some whining but this really is the best match, easy touch interface for the simple phone stuff, and the ability to use a keyboard and a stylus for things that just aren't feasable to use efficiently with a finger on a touch screen.
I'm a very happy camper with the Fuze... well except for that ****ing GPS crap.
I'd also like to add that I think most of us really created and adapted ways to be able to not use the touchscreen for a lot of things, and with good reason considering how much I hate using a stylus to navigate a UI. So I think a ton of us bring a certain baggage about using our fingers because it just really did always suck that bad. Which thanks to HTC it really doesn't now. Plus this screen may not be like the capacitive Iphone but man it's definitely a lot smoother, the word "silky" comes to mind with how it feels compared to my Tytn.
I'm not sure which one of the 2 voting options is meant to be good
Some people are just afraid of change. As there still millions of windows 98 users out there. LMAO, people need to move with the times
Touchflo3d is indeed the most beautiful interface I've ever seen. It remained for about one month on my mobile phone. After that I still installed pocket plus (the program who puts icons dirrectly on screen and used only one tab in which I put all my programs).
Reason 1: functionality. It takes several moves in TF3D to do simple tasks. For example if I am in the home screen I cannot start with a single click an app. I have to scroll (and be quite carrefull to go in the desired position) and after that start a program etc. Imagine if in Windows you would be forced to use start, programs every time if you wanted to use an program...it'll kill you. That's why we activate programs by clicking the icon on the screen after all...it's the fastest way. All in all, to be clear, if it would be a contest between a TF3D and a Pocket Plus-type of program, everytime the pocket plus device will "click" the application faster, while in TF3D depends on where TAB are you..
Reason 2: familiarity with Windows way of activating programs. As I said before it's more simple for me to simply activate the icon on screen and not bother with some paradigm of displaying emails or SMS (and related to that, do you want to be able that someone can take a look at your info by simply scrolling to that tab? I don't)
Reason 3 -not quite a reason, but a proof that this a better interface in my opinion: the simple-icon-on-display type of interface is actually validated by the Iphone which we all know as a beautiful device at least.
I like Touchflo3d, but I missed my usual today screen setup.
The easy answer is to use secondtoday, that way I get the best of both worlds, one tap on the screen switches between them.
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Touchflo3d is indeed the most beautiful interface I've ever seen. It remained for about one month on my mobile phone. After that I still installed pocket plus (the program who puts icons dirrectly on screen and used only one tab in which I put all my programs).
Reason 1: functionality. It takes several moves in TF3D to do simple tasks. For example if I am in the home screen I cannot start with a single click an app. I have to scroll (and be quite carrefull to go in the desired position) and after that start a program etc. Imagine if in Windows you would be forced to use start, programs every time if you wanted to use an program...it'll kill you. That's why we activate programs by clicking the icon on the screen after all...it's the fastest way. All in all, to be clear, if it would be a contest between a TF3D and a Pocket Plus-type of program, everytime the pocket plus device will "click" the application faster, while in TF3D depends on where TAB are you..
Reason 2: familiarity with Windows way of activating programs. As I said before it's more simple for me to simply activate the icon on screen and not bother with some paradigm of displaying emails or SMS (and related to that, do you want to be able that someone can take a look at your info by simply scrolling to that tab? I don't)
Reason 3 -not quite a reason, but a proof that this a better interface in my opinion: the simple-icon-on-display type of interface is actually validated by the Iphone which we all know as a beautiful device at least.
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Pocket Plus sound like exactly what I need!
nuke1 said:
I'm not sure which one of the 2 voting options is meant to be good
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Bunk = bad and handy gooey is handy GUI or handy Graphical User Interface
migsims said:
It's actually a great enhancement to WM. almost everything that needs to be readily accessible is "touchable" no need to get irritated and use the tip of my nail to make sure I press it just right. Even the corner X close button works almost flawlessly because the screen touch area is now flush.
I know there has been some whining but this really is the best match, easy touch interface for the simple phone stuff, and the ability to use a keyboard and a stylus for things that just aren't feasable to use efficiently with a finger on a touch screen.
I'm a very happy camper with the Fuze... well except for that ****ing GPS crap.
I'd also like to add that I think most of us really created and adapted ways to be able to not use the touchscreen for a lot of things, and with good reason considering how much I hate using a stylus to navigate a UI. So I think a ton of us bring a certain baggage about using our fingers because it just really did always suck that bad. Which thanks to HTC it really doesn't now. Plus this screen may not be like the capacitive Iphone but man it's definitely a lot smoother, the word "silky" comes to mind with how it feels compared to my Tytn.
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maybe thats why I'm having so much trouble with the touch screen. I tap something,,,, wait 5 seconds,,, tap again,,,, wait 6 seconds then give up and get out the stylus. Maybe I should re-enable touchflo to stop this problem
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As you can see, you are clearly outvoted. They had the same poll over at ppcgeeks (How many are still using TouchFlo3D) and of the 320 people who participated,80% were still using it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=482651
TF3D brings an essential level of style to Windows Mobile.
Surur
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Thats interesting. Thanks for the link. Maybe I should give touchflo 3D a another shot.
chetmichaels said:
its the first thing i disabled. in my opinion its pretty darn ugly...except for the weather thing, its kind of cute. but i like having all my stuff on the home screen where i can see it all at once
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Me too. Thats why I copied and pasted the links that are in folders within the program folder back up to the program folder. I like having everything in 1 spot. I wish it was alphabetized though.
kareem9nba said:
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
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Performance wasn't really the issue for me. It just seemed like pointless eye candy.
James, you'll really find SPB Pocket Plus really nice. The thing with it is to remove all the tabs, as they really only generate useless clicks to navigate where your program is, and in final squeeze in one tab only the icons you need. I have 3x5 icons(with no text and large size enabled) and if I really think some of them I don't really need - like powerpoint and so on.To give an exameple this is what I consider usefull:Comunication Manager, Resco Explorer, HTC Album, Igo, Camera, Excel, Word, Coreplayer, sms, activesync,radio, opera, 1-calc (a very nice calculator) and notes. And supplimentary I have enabled the calendar and date plugins in today screen. This is a very nice setup - eficient - and if you set a non transparent background, very nice, kinda stylish look. Now, I have seen that you complained about precision of tapping - beware that in the margins and corners of display you'll have sometimes to get out the stylus. Give that pocket plus a try.It really made my days.
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Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
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Care to share those kareem?
jamespaulritter said:
I disabled touch flo 3d right away because it seems like pointless eye candy. It seems like a sloppy rough integration that is a greater impedance than an assistant. Or is it just me
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Definitely NOT at all. We must be on different spectrum of the universe. I like TF3D a great deal, make navigating the phone intuitive and seamless. It is just you.
Without TF3D, my Sprint TP would just be any other run of the mill Win Mobile big screen phone. My 39 cents.
TF3D is totally kickass! I love it for everything. Althought I do wish they had the map intergration that they have in TF2D. I also want the stocks tab and am waiting for the hd manilla to be perfected . Other than that, the original htc theme, with q-style font, my personalized background, tweaks from diamond config, and stock fuze rom, it runs pretty darm fast. Only did a soft reset once and that waas because I was attempting to run a qvga application and it crashed.
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James, you'll really find SPB Pocket Plus really nice. The thing with it is to remove all the tabs, as they really only generate useless clicks to navigate where your program is, and in final squeeze in one tab only the icons you need. I have 3x5 icons(with no text and large size enabled) and if I really think some of them I don't really need - like powerpoint and so on.To give an exameple this is what I consider usefull:Comunication Manager, Resco Explorer, HTC Album, Igo, Camera, Excel, Word, Coreplayer, sms, activesync,radio, opera, 1-calc (a very nice calculator) and notes. And supplimentary I have enabled the calendar and date plugins in today screen. This is a very nice setup - eficient - and if you set a non transparent background, very nice, kinda stylish look. Now, I have seen that you complained about precision of tapping - beware that in the margins and corners of display you'll have sometimes to get out the stylus. Give that pocket plus a try.It really made my days.
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I agree. Let's not turn into a bunch of iPhone cattle. They stick to their phones like cult even when plagued with numerous problems.
Get SPB mobile. It blows TFTD out of the water.
dgduris said:
Style, schmile!
If I wanted style I'd have the Jesus phone that Apple makes - with one of the great cases from Vaja.
Instead, I want to look at my screen and gain information. On my day, on the stock market, on the weather and on the number of messages I am currently blowing off.
I too liked the weather bit. I also appreciated that TF3D goes a good job at memory management. Maybe when I get the time to learn how to customize it, I'll return to TF3D.
For now, though it is back to WinMob running Pocket Breeze in full screen mode with panels for pA and Pocket Weather.
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I didn't know the Lord makes phones
Back to the subject, it's all a personal preference. I think it's great, and makes the phone a lot more fun and a little easier to use, you don't, but nobody is right or wrong on this one.
ababrekar said:
Care to share those kareem?
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They are stickied in the Raphael subforum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413562
BTW I have been using TFL3D since when I got my TP in August. SPB Shell seems outdated now but I have it installed anyway, accessible via Second Today
Being that we have Auto rotate for the web Browser via JF 1.41 and System Auto rotate via DroidSans ......... is it possible to make the Picture Album Auto rotate as well, because even thought the DroidSans Tweak tool allows some instance of Auto rotate it seems to be leaving out the Photo Album......... is there a way to make this Happen.
Yeh Mon ... One Love.... Irie ... In other words Thank You
I second this request. Every other app seems to handle the autorotation automatically, and the picture app could be one of the most useful ways to use autorotation, given that pictures are often taken in both landscape and portrait mode.
Thank you to any who can pull this off.
It would be nice to add the multi-touch zooming to the picture app too...
Lol yes that would be cool. Hope some skillful person sees this
and add the *patented* iphone swipe across to move to the next picture (instead of having to hit the buttons...)
i just use the photo album in astro it auto rotates by itslef
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It would be nice to add the multi-touch zooming to the picture app too...
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This is really what i want,and of course auto-rotate would be a nice add on as well.
WOw, with this much interest I wonder why this was never addressed before ...... and we dont have to do anything like the iPhone there is a lot more was to do Gestures, such as double tapping making a clockwise circle on the area of the pic you might want to zoom in one and a Counter Clock wise circle to Zoom out etc etc .....
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and add the *patented* iphone swipe across to move to the next picture (instead of having to hit the buttons...)
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Has anyone else seen the HP touchscreen computers? Or that microsoft tabletop one? And we swipe to move our Google maps. Giving Apple a patent on that seems really strange, especially since someone, I don't remember who, was demonstrating multi touch two or three years ago on a device which wasn't related to Apple in any way. (I wish I could remember where I saw that).
Anyway, I agree, I'd love to see multitouch and autorotate for our photos!
kathi17 said:
Has anyone else seen the HP touchscreen computers? Or that microsoft tabletop one? And we swipe to move our Google maps. Giving Apple a patent on that seems really strange, especially since someone, I don't remember who, was demonstrating multi touch two or three years ago on a device which wasn't related to Apple in any way. (I wish I could remember where I saw that).
Anyway, I agree, I'd love to see multitouch and autorotate for our photos!
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Apple patented it on mobile devices i think.
Another nice thing on the iPhone photo app is a double tap to automatically make it fill the screen. Heck, pinch zoom would be nice but barring that I'd just like the double-tap feature.
I add myself at the list of this requester... I love to see multitouch zoom and autorotate on the Photo gallery application!
I add this request and will be working on a basic photo application as well. I don't really care about Apple. These features are so easy to implement.
I think a lot people are confused on what apple has patented. Engadget has a good analysis here:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/28/apple-vs-palm-the-in-depth-analysis/
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Has anyone else seen the HP touchscreen computers? Or that microsoft tabletop one? And we swipe to move our Google maps. Giving Apple a patent on that seems really strange, especially since someone, I don't remember who, was demonstrating multi touch two or three years ago on a device which wasn't related to Apple in any way. (I wish I could remember where I saw that).
Anyway, I agree, I'd love to see multitouch and autorotate for our photos!
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look up the gizmodo articles. they've had a bunch on apple patents and the palm pre recently.
the one i read about said that you only infringe on one of apple's patents if you had BOTH the swipe-to-zoom and the browser lock-to-x or y axis scrolling together.
right now the g1 has (oficially) the scrolling where if you only move it down it locks to the y axis and moves down only. same with left right. and if u start moving diagonal ur free to do whatever. the g1 doesnt infringe on THAT patent because it DOESNT also have the swipe-to-get to next picture.
I read one of those articles this morning. I wonder what will happen between Apple and Palm? I expect they will work it out between themselves, or it will be a mess.
Ill throw my hat in here too
I understand, though, that work here isnt paid for, so I understand if a dev decides NOT to work on it... I just hope one does
Ok so I posted some bit's of this already but I have refined the original "Proof of concept" design to something a bit more useable.
It annoyed me that I could not see the buttons in Landscape mode but I could see the sides of the screen when it is set to Autoscale. This set me to try and make a pad that would fit into the tiny slivers of screen left in landscape mode with "Autoscale" set.
This pad needs to be used in "AutoScale" mode on a WVGA screen such as an HD or HD2 This setting leaves a slither of screen each side of the screen that I have used to show the button placement. Don't get me wrong, you can't fit a Dpad in that area BUT you can easily mark top and bottom left of it and that's a start.
I find that my thumb is a bit lazy and I struggle a bit to use a square DPad, because of this I have squished it a bit to a more suitable rectangular shape, have a go and tell me if it's no good - If you imagine that the visible "strip" at the side is 1/4 of the DPads width then you should get it pretty easily. Please take a look at the attached picture though, I have made this pad a slightly odd shape because I find that I use left and right a cack load more than I use up and down. It may not be great for all games but I have found that it suits my thumb better than a standard equal layout. If you hate it then try using my original pad found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6339454#post6339454
Other than this the Start (ST) Select (SE), A, B, R1 and R2 buttons are all visible at the edge of the screen!
Currently the GBA pad is the only one I have done but I could easily modify this concept to cover all of the different systems - The only reason I haven't is that I only really play GBA games on my phone.
There is a readme included but I'd like some feedback so please bring it on!
Hey man, good job. I like the v1 rather than this, i find it harder to hit the up arrow with the new one, but it's not the reason why i'm wiriting this.
Both your pads makes the game laggy when i tap the white (unassigned) space. Other pads I've tried never did that. Any idea how to selve this? Or am i the only one experiencing this lag?
is multitouch available for morphgear?
Phenomenon said:
is multitouch available for morphgear?
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It sure is you just need to download the tweaked version by blutz
xZdenis said:
Hey man, good job. I like the v1 rather than this, i find it harder to hit the up arrow with the new one, but it's not the reason why i'm wiriting this.
Both your pads makes the game laggy when i tap the white (unassigned) space. Other pads I've tried never did that. Any idea how to selve this? Or am i the only one experiencing this lag?
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Hi I find that they all lag a bit, it seems to be the way that the Multitouch is implemented (I don't think it's Blutz, rather the original Morphgear crew), I find that when I have 2 buttons pressed all is fine but if I press NE and A (so 3 buttons reported to Morphgear) it lags until I release all buttons. This is just my laymans observation.
I could try producing an ultra light version to see if that helps... I think my skin is >2mb
Could you give me some examples of ones that don't cause it and I'll have a look, I wouldn't be overly surprised to find it was something I had done wrong. What we really need is the capacity to set white = NULL!
Hi,
I would like to propose an idea, which so far is unavailable in the market, but nevertheless I see potential for development.
It stems from my frustration of using touchscreen.....whether it be handphone, or 7", or 10", I always have the problem of typing at speed, and always needing to correct as there is no standard keyboard. Yes, due to my past usage, the standard keyboard size is impt for a ease of use.
So I am suggesting:
a. a small pull-out keyboard, which can easily extend to the size of a standard keyboard. the touch and feel of "click" is needed, and impt, just like playing piano vs playing on a keyboard....u really cannot feel where to press without the demarcating separation between each keys. yes, typing at speed definitely means typing by feeling, and COMPLETELY NOT LOOKING AT THE KB AT ALL. Touchscreen cannot do that.
b. 10" is just nice for reading, esp if it matches the standard A4 size, as I have lots of ebook with that size. and gesture like zooming and pulling up is impt, so a touchscreen without the need of keyboard. Luckily u have that with Android, as I attached the keyboard to my development Android tablet (blizzard from Technexion) and the KB does not appear on touchscreen at all.
Frankly the finger is really BAD for pointing....scrolling up yes, but often, instead of scrolling up, it selected the item which my finger landed on. Whereas when I connect the moue to the tablet, put the mouse over a list, i can select by clicking, and yet scrolling up/down by the scrolling ball. Finger alone is really bad for telling the difference.
My 2cts ideas, please comment.
Peter Teoh