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Windows Mobile 7

http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Interesting stuff, what I like the most is that it says "Most likely" WM7 can be used on older devices because all the changes like screen rotation with device will use the cam instead of hardware like accelerometers and stuff... wonder how long till my wizard is sporting WM7...

they gonna turn ppc's into sm/iphone/touch ****?
WM7 can be used on older devices
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...taking 40 of 47 mb mem free.....

does any1 have WM 6.1 WWE yet?

WM7 on an 2-year old wizard?
Realistically, the chances of WM7 running on a standard Wizard are somewhere between slim and none. I can offer two strong reasons: memory and speed. As someone noted earlier there are only 49 MB of program memory. Right now mine has only 19 free. If Microsoft follows its normal OS expansion rate, 49 MB won't be nearly enough.
As for speed - we,, we all know how fast the Wizards's chip is and - even with overclocking - it's slow. And in a year it will seem slower still.
So.. unless someone is going to begin to sell an aftermarket Wizard chipset on a higher capacity and faster piece of silicon - which I find unlikely and uneconomical -WM7 just isn't in the cards for old Wizards.
Having said that, I would love to be wrong.

You never really know though. I think there is a good chance that the wonderful cooks here will work a miracle and get wm7 on our Wizards. Look at the MPx200, for example: It's had every version of windows mobile/smartphone ever since SP2002 when it came out.

Well too bad couldn't have said the same for my MPX300 it was stuck with WM2003se............ but WM6 seem a bit cool tho.............

You have the MPX300?? Interested in selling?

it's not 100% tho ............ water got on the screen so i can't get past the screen alignment when i reset the phone

ND4SPD said:
You never really know though. I think there is a good chance that the wonderful cooks here will work a miracle and get wm7 on our Wizards. Look at the MPx200, for example: It's had every version of windows mobile/smartphone ever since SP2002 when it came out.
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True, pity mine sucks as it has a habit of spontaneously discharging the battery so I can't turn it on, thus I switched to the Wizard and now my iPhone.
EDIT: Looking at that Windows Mobile 7 article, I'm severely tempted back to Windows Mobile if that takes off!

I don't think wizard can handle wm7 (full OS) but i'm sure rom chef's will find tha way to adapt some programs that will be used with it... maybe some hacking will allow software to be run in an acceptable level... not the OS but the feeling of it...

I heard that wm7 will be released on 2009. Is it true? I hope they will release it in this year.

b4 WM7 is out, does any1 have WM 6.1 WWE yet?

now i'm built sucselt wm6.1 wwe! it's changer *.mui RUS lang to WWE!
testing!!!!
up soon

i bet they release this year cause of the iphone even though its overated people are buying it instead of windows mobile phones. Looks like it will be out next september i reckon as from the pictures it looks pretty much finished interface wise. The HTC touch should get an update to WM7 as the touchflo isnt that great tbh.

musungus77 said:
now i'm built sucselt wm6.1 wwe! it's changer *.mui RUS lang to WWE!
testing!!!!
up soon
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watting 4 your upload.
many thanks in advance!

" i reckon as from the pictures it looks pretty much finished interface wise."
sadly at times picturs dont say 1000 words
by that logic the game dukenukeem forever would
had been released 10years agoe

musungus77 said:
now i'm built sucselt wm6.1 wwe! it's changer *.mui RUS lang to WWE!
testing!!!!
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waiting also

I can't wait ... it will be great... and btw. i think Wizard will be one of the devices on which microsoft will be testing... it's only my opinion, but it is old and it is popular.. same as MPx200 was (i had it before) and guess what? Microsoft tested WM5 on MPx200? Why? Because it was old and popular
But no flame war pleeeeeze

cortez said:
I can't wait ... it will be great... and btw. i think Wizard will be one of the devices on which microsoft will be testing... it's only my opinion, but it is old and it is popular.. same as MPx200 was (i had it before) and guess what? Microsoft tested WM5 on MPx200? Why? Because it was old and popular
But no flame war pleeeeeze
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Me too. when ms had wizard on microsoft surface trailers, they should test wm7 on it

b4 WM7 is out, does any1 have real WM 6.1 WWE yet?

End of an Era

Unfortunately my friends, this is the end of an era
Most of our legendary developers (JWright, Midget, Leo, Beasty, Helmi) now have different devices, or looking at a new one anyway.
Hopefully our other developers and cookers can continue their work, but it is unlikely that we will see new ROMs and completely new builds of WM6 as we have seen in the past.
I would ask you that you always read the wiki first, and that you don't clog the threads asking developers to release new versions

funny ,,,, it means that i last developer who may do complete new build for uni

mo3ulla said:
funny ,,,, it means that i last developer who may do complete new build for uni
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I stand corrected
Nevertheless, we're running out of developers for the Universal...
Just got to wait for the Omni

TehPenguin said:
wait for the Omni
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omni is not replacement
+external screen
+-more 3g standarts ( for som countries + but for most part of world useless)
-+128 mb ram by default /// good .. but uni also may have it
-unstandart screen ... pixel doubling tecnology will not work ... it cause troubles in software compability with screen dependable apps
-processor mch slower than in old uni
-screen rotation mechanizm have more details ... his durability will much lower neither universal construction
-fullsize sd unsupported.. you may sat bye bye to 16 gb cards

mo3ulla said:
omni is not replacement
+external screen
+-more 3g standarts ( for som countries + but for most part of world useless)
-+128 mb ram by default /// good .. but uni also may have it
-unstandart screen ... pixel doubling tecnology will not work ... it cause troubles in software compability with screen dependable apps
-processor mch slower than in old uni
-screen rotation mechanizm have more details ... his durability will much lower neither universal construction
-fullsize sd unsupported.. you may sat bye bye to 16 gb cards
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Un-standard Screen:
There are a couple of other devices with this (so Microsoft must have a solution). But your right, there are a lot of poorly written applications out there.
Processor:
Although the clock speed is slower, it has a better version of the ARM commands (ARM V6 instead of the Uni's ARM V5TE). Also, it has a dedicated graphics processor (instead of the Uni's shared CPU\GPU)
Screen Rotation:
Haven't actually heard anything about the screen rotation (do you have a link?). But yes, if its more complex then its more likely to fail
SD Card:
Unfortunately I do have to agree with you on this. Micro-SD is available upto 12Gb (http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/sandisk-crams-12gb-onto-a-microsdhc-card/) it is *a lot* more expensive than standard SD
So, if the Omni is not a good replacement, and the Universal is growing old - (I can't believe I'm about to ask this question, I love my Uni!) what can we switch to??

I really hope Mo3ulla & Ranju will come up something good and stable and hopefully final (bugs free, welll almost...) ...

TehPenguin said:
Unfortunately my friends, this is the end of an era
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It is a sad day for all of us.

TehPenguin said:
Processor:
Although the clock speed is slower, it has a better version of the ARM commands (ARM V6 instead of the Uni's ARM V5TE). Also, it has a dedicated graphics processor (instead of the Uni's shared CPU\GPU)
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hihi .. in thispart not so easy as you think.. without software what will support this new features ... this features will be only on paper
1. windows mobile work based on v4 commands ....
2. you need program which will support this .. BUT PROGRAM WILL BE UNCOMPATIBLE WITH OLD PROCESSORS..... will software developer write such program ? if they may write in v4 which supports all processors ?
BTW.... uni not ARM V5.... UNI ARM V4
3 dedicated graphics processor - usless due limited front of work .... for what purposes you will use this graphic ?
games ?
hdtv films? (films bigger than 2gb)
external video out ?
for others purpuses shared xscale graphics more that enogh

mo3ulla said:
hihi .. in thispart not so easy as you think.. without software what will support this new features ... this features will be only on paper
1. windows mobile work based on v4 commands ....
2. you need program which will support this .. BUT PROGRAM WILL BE UNCOMPATIBLE WITH OLD PROCESSORS..... will software developer write such program ? if they may write in v4 which supports all processors ?
BTW.... uni not ARM V5.... UNI ARM V4
3 dedicated graphics processor - usless due limited front of work .... for what purposes you will use this graphic ?
games ?
hdtv films? (films bigger than 2gb)
external video out ?
for others purpuses shared xscale graphics more that enogh
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You are absolutely right, we are really not benifited from the v5...v6 ARM commands. Eventually I'm sure that the shared xscale graphics is more than enough (unless you're using your uni as a playstation).

Hi guys,
Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.
It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.
Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty

Ditto Beasty - I'm not jumping ship anytime soon.
The only weakness I can see with the Uni is the 64mb ram, and that can always be fixed.

beast0898 said:
Hi guys,
Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.
It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.
Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Your words were a beam of light through the clouds. In fact, uni is the best PDA till now any one could obtain it. I have had uni since its firts release at the end of 2005, but due to an accident i converted to many other PDAs, wizard, profit and Tytn. In a lucky day i found a person who repaired my Uni, I was too happy to return back to Uni enjoying all what i have lost with other PDAs, the big and high resolution screen, the full keyboard with dedicated 0-9 numbers keys, a tab and big buttons. with the angeled screen i can use the keyboard to dial numbers easly (in wm6 of course) i seldom use the touch screen now to dial, beleive me i have the sensation the I got freed again after a long time of constriction with other PDAs.
But unfortnately there is some cons with uni without them i"ll never think to convert away from uni for more couples of years:
- The problems in radio:
1- the hanging that may occur when dialling, where the screen is stuck on dialing but not actually dialing and u cannot end call. You can go away from phone and use PDA but u must soft reset to use phone again.
2- this occured only once with me, where many persons called me but the phone didn'r ring nor notify the call by any means, every thing is ok with the PDA, i can use it normally but the GSM module is not working at all.
3- The uni may hang with incoming calls, it will hang with the incoming call screen popup without notifyin me, and i discover it when come to use Uni.
- The deficient vedio call in wm6 (it is not so important, i don't use it for routine calls)
- The incompetability of VGA screen with many new enhancements from HTC for devices starting from touch series (HTC album, touchflo technology, HTC home,.....). But this is not so important also, as there is other sotware that colud compensate such as Spb pocket plus 4+.
I don't know much about Omni, but from ur opinions about it, i think it is not a huge jump from Uni, and there is no need to convert to it from lovely Uni.
Regards

beast0898 said:
Hi guys,
........
Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Well said Beasty! Thanks for uplifting 'downed' spirits!
Not only Mamaich, we also have The Darkforces Team just in case people had forgotten that most of the new ROM builds floating around came from them, remember the leaked ROM a few months back?
I think our Uni has some juice left even for WM6.1 & the latest enhancements available for her younger VGA sister Athena! The 128Mb RAM hack by Mamaich will prove it's worth in the long run.
As always, a new Uni era will arrive to replace the last one!

I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1
however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent

Midget_1990 said:
I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1
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WOW!! An Universal with 6.1.1 and 128Mb...

beast0898 said:
Hi guys,
Just to let you know I'm still around with the Uni.
I have bought a Kaiser for the wife, and will be spending a bit of time over in the Kaiser forum, but have not given up on Rom Dev for the Uni, and have not found anything yet that makes me want to retire my Uni.
It will however be quite a while before I get round to a new Rom release.
Don't forget we still have Mamaich around too, as long as we have the "god" the Uni will continue to improve and expand on it's capabilities, features and functionality.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Guess I was being a bit gloomy because I haven't updated my ROM in a few months, and I heard a few of the developers were getting new devices.
So, I'm downloading ranju's new ROM, and I'll see how that goes...
- The incompetability of VGA screen with many new enhancements from HTC for devices starting from touch series (HTC album, touchflo technology, HTC home,.....). But this is not so important also, as there is other sotware that colud compensate such as Spb pocket plus 4+.
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Thats a good point.
If a lot of HTC's software doesn't work well with VGA devices, why would HTC release a WVGA device?? Guess that kinda makes the Omni look *very* doubtful...

Midget_1990 said:
running WM 6.1.1
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how many trial period remain ????? ( who in theme will understand what i mean)

Midget_1990 said:
I still have a uni, soon to have 128mb of RAM and curently running WM 6.1.1
however my main device is now a nike so my roms/posts wil be less frequent
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Forgive me if I unintentionally overlooked you Sir as one of the ROM builders!
There it goes fellow Uni owners, our own mod itself has WM6.1.1 ROM confirmed running in Uni. I'm curious when it's going to be made "public"

My girlfriend's the one using my Uni now, and believe it or not, she's using a WM5 ROM... you know why? Because we need video call.
Ever since last year, I've been very active here in the Universal thread, always hoping for a WM6 for Uni that fully supports video call... alas.. that day never came. Although there have been other improvements for the Uni.. but none of them really concerns me. I've already had a TyTN and now a Nike.. looks like my girlfriends Uni is going to get replaced with a Nike too (since this device is just too damn sexy ). The only thing I missed would be the VGA screen (although the great features of Opera Mini, full TouchFlo support, and almost complete apps compatibility for QVGA made me miss the VGA a lot less since VGA always gives me problems with app compatibility).
We have to face it. The Universal is still being used and modded until today (much like the PlayStation2), but it's era has already ended.

DaVince said:
My girlfriend's the one using my Uni now, and believe it or not, she's using a WM5 ROM... you know why? Because we need video call.
Ever since last year, I've been very active here in the Universal thread, always hoping for a WM6 for Uni that fully supports video call... alas.. that day never came. Although there have been other improvements for the Uni.. but none of them really concerns me. I've already had a TyTN and now a Nike.. looks like my girlfriends Uni is going to get replaced with a Nike too (since this device is just too damn sexy ). The only thing I missed would be the VGA screen (although the great features of Opera Mini, full TouchFlo support, and almost complete apps compatibility for QVGA made me miss the VGA a lot less since VGA always gives me problems with app compatibility).
We have to face it. The Universal is still being used and modded until today (much like the PlayStation2), but it's era has already ended.
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Hey Davince,
Long time since we've seen you around my friend......
I have to disagree with you my friend, as far as Business productivity tool, nothing on the market has come close to the Universal......... it is the only device with a decent sized screen for writing emails and working with documents and no other device has a keyboard as comprehensive or useable as the Uni's.
The Universal era has not ended, with the introduction of Mamaich's great patch to support 128 mb memory and SDHC cards, you will find it impossible to find another PDA on the market that matches for speed, functionality and storage capacity. The Kaiser and other devices that use mini SD's can only support 16GB cards........the Uni beats that too.
The Uni has been reborn, and is far from dead my friend!!
Cheers,
Beasty

Some Questions

Hi,
I'm almost about to buy the Vox. It comes with WM 6.0, is it wise to flash it to WM6.1?
Wich rom would be the best? Depens on what apps i need?
And is it possible to play gameboy emulators with it?
thanks very much

128MB said:
Hi,
I'm almost about to buy the Vox. It comes with WM 6.0, is it wise to flash it to WM6.1?
Wich rom would be the best? Depens on what apps i need?
And is it possible to play gameboy emulators with it?
thanks very much
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Personally I'm running the Lefab47 Fireburned WM6.1 ROM
12 months in the VOX is still hands down the best phone Ive ever owned.
6.1 is a definate yes - its a big improvement
I would also suggest getting one of the XIP 20202 core roms as this addresses on of my only 2 gripes with the VOX, namely the speed - it was slightly underpowered, however with the new core speed is no longer an issue its greatly improved so my only remaining grip is that the camera could be better - but hey its almost perfect.
DO BUY ONE - they are seriously good

I found pocketGBA, hope this works.

Strange Device running Windows Mobile 6.5

Check this out - it's called the Exeda??? (Never heard of them - apparently they specialise in embedded systems.
Also 6.5 looks very very very nice... Stunning even... and very different...
Very different to the builds I've seen floating around - (cough... blueangel... cough...)
http://www.exedamobile.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=7

sigh, I had really wanted them to put the task bar at the bottom or completely away with it and leave a 75% opaque small strip up there.
sure hope they improve email rendering.
but to heck with all the pictures I want to see it running. I want to have a good sense of what to expect.
but it looks ok so far.

I have seen these earlyer and the build they use with honeycomb interface and with the new CHome (Codename Titanium) is a lot newer than the leaked ones

"ugly device running on Windows Mobile 6.5" would've been a better title.
My question is how will 6.5 work with Touchflo 3D?

Finally, some better shots of WM 6.5. I hope they do more than just change the today screen though.

Gundem said:
"ugly device running on Windows Mobile 6.5" would've been a better title.
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LOL
Agree mate!

Gundem said:
"ugly device running on Windows Mobile 6.5" would've been a better title.
My question is how will 6.5 work with Touchflo 3D?
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YUP = that one's got me confused too...
HTC'll probably have to disable it - therefore negating all their initial efforts to aesthetically update the wm gui...
hmmmm - guess time will tell on this one...
Am looking forward to the HTC's Rhodium and Tungsten running this WM 6.5 though - although I'd love those 2 phones to run Android too...

yeh, they can dump that device!
but, I'm itching to flash a 6.5 beta anyday now!

galaxys said:
yeh, they can dump that device!
but, I'm itching to flash a 6.5 beta anyday now!
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YUP - Me too!
Anything other than base 6.1 whatever build on my TPro sounds good to me!
6.1 feels like it's been out for eons!

True & very boring, WM6.1 has been out now for almost 18 months!
Goes to show how slow MS really is!

6.5 is just a minor ugrade to 6.1 hardly worth the extra 0.4 from what I've heard.
Tomal already has it working on a Universal http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=473096&page=3

Just seen the device i the original link - Ye Gods that's fugly!
One D-Pad for up and down and another for left-right? WTF?

Which future for HTC Universal?

All is on the title...
No more ROM in the future

I agree with you, but.....
There doesn't seem to be anything to replace it. I've tried Kaiser, Magic and Diamond hardware, all of which suck in comparison.
So I've ended up back on the uni - the other phones are all heading to ebay.
Any suggestions as to how we liven up the uni a bit?

thingonaspring said:
I agree with you, but.....
There doesn't seem to be anything to replace it. I've tried Kaiser, Magic and Diamond hardware, all of which suck in comparison.
So I've ended up back on the uni - the other phones are all heading to ebay.
Any suggestions as to how we liven up the uni a bit?
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Yep, the Uni is unbeatable about the life, any vanilla ROM with one of the latest builds will be nice WM6.1/6.5

My way of keeping my Uni fun was SPB Mobile Shell 3.5, it is just like getting a new user interface, so doesn't matter so much what ROM it is running, even WM5. The only thing I needed was 128Mb RAM. However, I have to say that having 128/256 on my LG KS20 felt amazingly roomy, wish my Uni had that much space.

enigma1nz said:
My way of keeping my Uni fun was SPB Mobile Shell 3.5, it is just like getting a new user interface, so doesn't matter so much what ROM it is running, even WM5. The only thing I needed was 128Mb RAM. However, I have to say that having 128/256 on my LG KS20 felt amazingly roomy, wish my Uni had that much space.
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I agree completely. spb ms3.5 plus any lightweight stable rom will do the trick for 64MB uni pls take note however that spb ms is not for free (yu need a little resourcefulness though ).
of course, blessed are those with upgraded ram
thingonaspring said:
I agree with you, but.....
There doesn't seem to be anything to replace it. I've tried Kaiser, Magic and Diamond hardware, all of which suck in comparison.
So I've ended up back on the uni - the other phones are all heading to ebay.
Any suggestions as to how we liven up the uni a bit?
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solution??? i guess we need to start cooking unless you will continue and start releasing new rom again
btw yur 21040 is one of the roms ive tested and found to be more responsive and compatible with spb ms 3 & 3.5. many thanks for sharing.. regards
phezthie

There are still a few Chefs alive in Uni section!
So Uni will never die, even if there is no mre new ROM´s we reached WM6.5 on a device with WM5, so we are actual.
And I´m sure someone will find the way to port the new look of WP7 in the future!
I have tested several HTC devices and have to agree, none of them can be compared, even if they are faster...not even my Rhodium (which is a great device)
UNIVERSAL will never die!!

OK, so a bit of a rom refresh would cheer people up. I'll package up a 21068/21051 rom in the next few days. This build has been running on my Uni for a few months now so I know it's stable, there's just some loose ends to tidy up. It'll also finally ditch tcpmp 0.81 in favour of the latest 0.72recomp3 which now matches 0.81 for playback speed and doesn't have the annoying screen rotation bug.
If you still love your uni, and you've not had it upgraded to 128mb yet - go and find a way to get it upgraded! It gives the phone a new lease of life - snappier, more versatile and it seems to improve battery usage. (I suspect the battery improvement is due to reduced CPU-load and Flash-reads when pagepooling is disabled)
Note that you can run a 64mb device without pagepooling, but RAM tends to fill up quite quickly, resulting in apps refusing to load or acting all crashy. That said, there are ways to improve memory management (auto-hibernate for one) that might make it more of an option.
@Enigma - 256MB would rock - particularly for those who like to dabble with linux/android. It's just a shame nobody makes 128mb chips in the right packaging. :-(

Great to know something new will come!!, hope for 64Mb too
Shame for me upgrade to 128mb it´s very hard to accomplish

Great news!
thingonaspring ,
greart news to hear!
I have been using Cotull Q3 WM 6.1 for ages.......nothing beats it. (IMHO)
And with 128 MB RAM it's "snappy".
A new ROM is always welcome.Waiting with appreciation.
Thanks.
Mods/Orb
Can we change the title of the thread?...it is rather depressing and misguiding.
And do you expect us to suggest any apps to include in the ROM or would it be a Vanilla one?

uni dead nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
mine has tomal V8.9, windows 6.1 and spb mobile shell (yes i was resourceful and got it.) and mine now runs like a charm and give my 64mb xda exec a new ui and fresh look.
we still need roms for our 64mb unis for all those like me that dont have ours upgraded.
carry on the good work cheff's we all really appreciate you keeping our unis alive.
long live the uni
btw i have the new nokia 5530, but my uni beats it hands done in everyway.

The rom is now uploaded here :-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=643243

cheers thing will try it later. see wot its like with spb ms 3.5.3.
cheers mate

kalya said:
thingonaspring ,
Mods/Orb
Can we change the title of the thread?...it is rather depressing and misguiding.
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I´m completly agree about this, I think we should ask OP first
@teddybear3k, do you think you can consider this request please?
Also today Sun Dream released a new ROM, so Uni will be still alive!!!

OK title changed.

Here I can tell my IMATEJASJAR not dead, he is the top, the only disadvantage is the ram, but I already have a donor hand and will follow the operation and 128mb ram will be happy if you still make good ROMs for our UNI, maybe one day I learn to cook roms for my faithful friend