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Hi there,
I just want to find out really, if it is legal by running WM6 on my device? I mean it is a WM5 device afterall, and much like with a PC you'd have to purchase a licence for new software, does the same principle apply with these devices and WM6?
I have heard that apparently one can buy WM6, is this true? If so, where from?
Thanks.
ChildOTK said:
Hi there,
I just want to find out really, if it is legal by running WM6 on my device? I mean it is a WM5 device afterall, and much like with a PC you'd have to purchase a licence for new software, does the same principle apply with these devices and WM6?
I have heard that apparently one can buy WM6, is this true? If so, where from?
Thanks.
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The issue is highly debatable. OS for Mobile devices come preinstalled and can not purchased separately for upgrading. this is quite unlike the OS for desktops where you can readily buy a new OS or upgrade an existing one. Your new device comes pre installed with an operating system so you have initially paid for it. therefore it is safe to say that only in case of mobile devices 100% buyers have paid for their OS. This is not so with desktops. Now comes the tricky bit. Do you have the legal right to upgrade? Since M$ does not sell an upgraded OS for such devices, they are infact not incurring any loss of revenue if a user is upgrading. If he can not upgrade it is wrong to suppose that he will rush out to buy a new one. However it appears that it is the cell cos who are behind M$ move. When people who upgrade seek tech assistance it does creat problems.... they do not have the expertise to handle these issues neither are they interested in upgrading the devices themselves!
Ok, I just don't want some MS agent to some and fine me for some rediculous reason or another....
Thanks.
There are rumours that M$ will be selling WM6 as an upgrade... which would give a reason as to why they waited til now to ask us to take down our ftp.
Well, as said here
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/27/windows-mobile-6-free-to-pda-manufacturers-issuing-upgrades/
MS is giving manufacturers free license for the upgrades, which may or may not means we get a free license?
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Well, as said here
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/27/windows-mobile-6-free-to-pda-manufacturers-issuing-upgrades/
MS is giving manufacturers free license for the upgrades, which may or may not means we get a free license?
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Hmmm... v interesting article, thanks
Ya, the worst they do, only if your hosting the files, is send an email. (trust me, I know) They will not hunt you down!
hahahaha, trust you. Remember theirs always a first time. hehehe
f??k em
this what i think of ms... hehehe
Our devices come with a licence for "Windows Mobile".
WM6 clearly comes within this
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Well, as said here
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/02/27/windows-mobile-6-free-to-pda-manufacturers-issuing-upgrades/
MS is giving manufacturers free license for the upgrades, which may or may not means we get a free license?
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Only with couple of OEMs. I checked with Imate but they have no intention of providing upgrades. Thats it.
I paid my Qtek 9000 about 1.000 Euro,and I think that it is my decision what I want to do with it...maybe install Symbian on it..? I think that nothing is gonna happend so far as WM6 stays "open source"..Difference about upgrade and new Jwrightmcps platform is evident...I downloaded Jwrightmcps WM6 from here and it is totally new platform..with some bugs which will be solved,but beautiful and rich functional,..If they in Mics...attempt to make update that would be just carefull minor upgrade of WM5...isnt it? Any problem what potentionally could be is about using their name so I suggest to rename new platform in something different...XDA 1 perhaps...
oh...and I forgot...looking from point of view from legal aspects I am wondering is there any possibillity to remove WM player (and replace other mic...stuff) because it is not worth it to be in state of the art Jwrightmcps Universal 6 platform...I think there is a lot of open source solutions and so "they in mic.." really would not have any reason to complain...This WM player is simply..."unfinished" as everything from them is..we still have BetaPlayer ..or something like that...
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oh...and I forgot...looking from point of view from legal aspects I am wondering is there any possibillity to remove WM player (and replace other mic...stuff) because it is not worth it to be in state of the art Jwrightmcps Universal 6 platform...I think there is a lot of open source solutions and so "they in mic.." really would not have any reason to complain...This WM player is simply..."unfinished" as everything from them is..we still have BetaPlayer ..or something like that...
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Try mortplayer. Its good. Google it and you will get it.
The Symbian cellphones seem to be so legal that you can never upgrade them to the new OS version or modify the ROM.
But M$ knows how to deal with the market.M$ disregards whether WM6 upgrating is legal or not.So more people will buy WM phones instead of buying Symbian ones.
Almost 90% of computers in China are running illegal Windows because of the M$'s neglect of them.No computers are running Windows in developing countries will be a real disaster to M$.
symbian & UIQ does not have a ROM...it is completly based on JAVA platform....and...yes....there is a plenty of programs ( .sis) for upgrading platform.but it is not an issue here...the issue is that should we be concerned about MS policy to prossecute everything and everybody..we can see,Universal 6 and Linux platforms grows day by day...and differences becomes bigger and bigger...Developers here are running "light years" infront of MS and they in MS will "fight back"...Linux is not a problem...Problem is (or will be) "Windows Media Player"..."Outlook"..."Internet Explorer"...etc.etc...because these names are licenced by them and they WILL focus on that fact...and China is special case...it is potentional industrial giant and it is the biggest future market so it is normal that if you want success on that vast market you will "blink on one eye"...(Yahoo and Google did that as we saw in near past when they agree to give Chinese goverment all data which they collect..remember...internet is not free in China(!))..but this is out of this topic..I think developers here should first do renaming applications and further developing them independetly..Indeed,technology and behavour is similar to all specific applications and there is no any philosophy (for example : IE and Firefox are similar browsers for one purpose and based on one technology,and differences are "slight" , but because of that,MS does not have right for any complain...)...I think here we should go that way...
Do you think it would be logical to release Windows 7 with Windows Mobile 7 together. Windows 7 probably will be release in summer 2010. I think Windows Mobile 7 will be also out in 2010. Also I remember Mobile 5 was released in 2005.
I'm typing this on Windows 7 right now, and it's already more stable than Vista was after more than a year of being released. Seeing as Release Candidate 1 was released recently, the final product doesn't seem to far away to me.
My copy of Windows 7 build 7000 self destructs on August 1st, making me think that they're nuking my copy so I won't be using it after the final product is released. And seeing as the back to school computer sales are always good for PC manufacturers and Microsoft, I'm sure they'll want to get it out by then, so they can catch the Back-to-School crowd and the Holiday shopping crowd later on.
Plus, I believe Microsoft was proposing some offer to give customers a free Windows 7 upgrade if you bought a Windows Vista computer during the summer of 2009. That makes me think that Win7 is just on the horizon. As for WM7, I don't think that it will be ready until at least 2010.
So I personally don't think they'll be released together because I think it would be stupid on Microsoft's part to delay an already stable desktop OS that they so desperately need to release, just so they can release its mobile counterpart at the same time.
Dave
I don't know. The Microsoft is loosing market share in mobile world now as never before. They must to make something that will bit iphone and android with palm. Plus I don't think that Microsoft able to ship Windows 7 soon because Vista had the same story. If they offer the free upgrade to 7 this summer, so probably Windows won't be ready until than. From using Windows 7 i can say it better than Vista, but it is still not perfect. I think Microsoft will take their time and make a good OS, because the rush with Vista didn't lead to anything good.
P.S. Also as in Windows 7, Windows Mobile 7 will have multitouch (hopefully).
Well the Windows7 is nothing else then completed Vista! Vista was planned and started to programmed to have most of the Windows7 futures but as usual MS has screw up big time on timeline.. Computer sales Slash down tremendously as many consumers were waiting for Vista and MS were losing huge money. However MS kill few of the responsible VP's get new one in and the conclusion was just release first whatever is there!!!! As a old saying: IN ORDER TO MAKE CHANGES YOU NEED SURVIVE FIRST
Regards to WinMo.. In fact WinMo phones has increasing market share compare last year’s numbers. Not that much as Blackberry followed by Apple but they all taking share from the symbian away.
Indeed the biggest enemy of Microsoft is Microsoft itself!!! The Internal divisional Political wares prevent them to move fast as suppose to.
Until this year The WinMo division has been treated like a step child and not really put full attention on it. The appearance and success of Iphone, Google’s releas android have shaken few things up in Microsoft.
Now Microsoft has smell blood and wants to make the WinMo more than a simple phone. Changes in marketing (advertisements) ; Widows live and additional services indicating it very much. However said that again back to where I started and that is: the biggest enemy of Microsoft is Microsoft itself. Remember Vista suppose to be released in same time as the Microsoft office...
On the contrary I believe many existing Software companies are happy that Microsoft is as it is! In fact if Microsoft would really do perfect job and release complete software as it suppose to be then I guess 50-70% third-party software companies would be closing down
totally indipendant and will not be released together...would be a marketing nightmare as well as total confusion.
Microsoft stated that 2009 will be 'the year of windows 7' and 2010 'the year of windows mobile 7'. Might be they said 2010 and 2011, but I'm a 100% sure Mobile will be released a year after normal.
I don't have a link, but i read this in an article about 2 weeks ago.
So windows phone 7 is 6 months in to having the phones out there, where are the antivirus programs? Did it come with something on the phone? Or are we stuck until mango comes out?
Dragon Queen said:
So windows phone 7 is 6 months in to having the phones out there, where are the antivirus programs? Did it come with something on the phone? Or are we stuck until mango comes out?
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Why would you need antivirus? Unless you hack your phone (which is your own responsibility), or have dev unlock (in which case you know what you're doing), you won't be infected by anything since all xaps that are on the marketplace are thoroughly checked by Microsoft. Not a chance for a "virus" to go through. Hence, again, why need antivirus?
from websurfing and email is where I see most virus, worms etc coming from. This is what these phones seem to be headed for more now usage wise, correct?
Are you...serious?
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Why wouldn't I be serious? I have antivirus on my phone now and don't see the people who are putting these malicious codes out there deciding to play nice and not do it anymore. Do you see that type deciding to grow a concinsous and feel remorse? Cause I don't.
No. At this point viruses or other malicious code is not viable on the mobile platform as a serious threat. Most viruses up to this point are simply proof of concept. Just because RIM puts antivirus on their phones (which slows startup time and performance) doesn't mean every other mobile platform has one. I'm not saying that this will be unimportant in the future, but right now there is no major threat.
Well, I think there are antivirus for WinMo and Android...but WP7 doesn't need one...
...At least for now there will not be efforts to write malicious code for WP, hopefully.
Hi to all Developers out there! I have an obvious Question that interest not only me: Can you make a Windows RT port for the TF300T?! I know many out there say "Windows is not open source/its illegal"... Well, i know you cannot buy Windows RT, but WP7 also sucessfully ported to phones like the HTC HD2 and no one can tell me that WP7 was/is open source!
It would be so nice if there will be a port... Windows 8/RT is so gorgeous with a touchscreen Maybe someone out there can handle this huge project
Thanks, fredopato.
someday
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Hi to all Developers out there! I have an obvious Question that interest not only me: Can you make a Windows RT port for the TF300T?! I know many out there say "Windows is not open source/its illegal"... Well, i know you cannot buy Windows RT, but WP7 also sucessfully ported to phones like the HTC HD2 and no one can tell me that WP7 was/is open source!
It would be so nice if there will be a port... Windows 8/RT is so gorgeous with a touchscreen Maybe someone out there can handle this huge project
Thanks, fredopato.
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It will likely happen eventually, but don't hold your breath. As you said, windows rt is not something you can purchase, it has to be bought with a device, so whomever is trying to port it to our device will have to spend the money to buy a windows rt device, proceed to delve deep enough into it to extract some sort of core windows rt, manage to write drivers and compatibility for our tab and then try to set up a mass-consumable version of it. Not to mention that all of this is not legal, so it probably won't even show up on this forum.
long story short, it's gonna be a while pal, better just make your peace with android for now
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Hi to all Developers out there! I have an obvious Question that interest not only me: Can you make a Windows RT port for the TF300T?! I know many out there say "Windows is not open source/its illegal"... Well, i know you cannot buy Windows RT, but WP7 also sucessfully ported to phones like the HTC HD2 and no one can tell me that WP7 was/is open source!
It would be so nice if there will be a port... Windows 8/RT is so gorgeous with a touchscreen Maybe someone out there can handle this huge project
Thanks, fredopato.
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A major difference between the two windows versions you mention is that the last I checked you can't buy windows rt - it is for manufactures to install on new units to be sold retail.
My little research on windows rt is it will only run software written for windows rt so from my stand point useless for years until the base of available software is much larger and broader.
Just one opinion! I am with many others that this type of thread is asking for trouble.
Now if you want to discuss using a version of a windows retail product then I see no issue as anyone wishing to use it could and should have a legal license.
+1 on above post by fankuan19
If you are after the look and feel of windows rt then ask for a windows rt theme to work with one of the new roms that use themes and that would be something that could be accomplished and legally.
Lastly there are devs other than those on xda and maybe one of those would be a better choice. Get like minded people to put a bounty on the development.
Windows 7 vs. Windows RT
To hack a phone so that Windows 7 will run on it, you basically just need to create an x86 emulator, then use the install disks that Microsoft sells to install the OS. But microsoft does not sell install disks for Win RT. Win RT cannot be installed from media. The OS is baked into the tablet itself.
Now, that deosn't mean that it cannot and never will be done. But it won't be easy, and likely won't be done.
I don't see any other threads on this topic; there doesn't seem to be any serious discussion on porting Windows RT to run on non-official tablets and other ARM systems (raspberry pi for example).
It seems the main hurdle is that Windows RT requires an UEFI bootloader. Apart from a couple of development boards (ARM Versatile Express for example), there isn't any widespread ARM product that has this. Two things: what happens if one tries to boot windows rt from a UEFI capable development board? Second: if the first test shows some success, it would be worth the effort to write an UEFI emulation bootloader like Chameleon for x86.
Can someone with more experience chime in about possible complications and other issues to worry about?
I know it's been done; there are screenshots and such of Windows RT running on HTC HD2 (Leo) smartphone (which was released as a WinMo 6.5 device, but has had WP7, Android, Maemo, Ubuntu, and $DEITY knows what else ported to it).
That said, I don't expect it will be easy for the wide variety of devices. If nothing else, the drivers for all the hardware may be difficult to come by.
I see it. Has any more info come out of it? Was it just uefi emulation?
I want my Acer Iconia A500 to run windows rt. But no one started porting rt to any other Android devices.
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(raspberry pi for example)
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Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
I know it's been done; there are screenshots and such of Windows RT running on HTC HD2 (Leo) smartphone (which was released as a WinMo 6.5 device, but has had WP7, Android, Maemo, Ubuntu, and $DEITY knows what else ported to it).
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Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It seems the main hurdle is that Windows RT requires an UEFI bootloader.
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It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
there isn't any widespread ARM product that has this.
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BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
Cotulla speaks the truth. Installing RT to systems that didn't come with it means making copies of RT from some other source. Legally speaking, that's almost certainly going to be software piracy, and it's possible that MS would care enough about it to come after this site. That would be bad... This is one of the reasons for the strict anti-piracy rule here.
Cotulla said:
Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
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Sorry, by main hurdle I mean why there isn't much public work on it. I know it would be hard to port a system. And I did not know RPI is armv6 so forget about that. Obviously I understand the legality, but I'm not thinking about widespread releases. I'm looking more into what that dft team did which is just doing something to prove it can be done.
Well since TI demoed windows 8 RT on a TI OMAP 4470 system there has to be a build out there for it. I have a SmartQ X7 which also has the TI OMAP 4470/SGX544 chipset, I'd like to try Windows 8 RT on it as I am sure it would run quite well.
Here Engadget has an article about it.
So should be quite possible I'd think?
Sorry, by main hurdle I mean why there isn't much public work on it. I know it would be hard to port a system. And I did not know RPI is armv6 so forget about that. Obviously I understand the legality, but I'm not thinking about widespread releases. I'm looking more into what that dft team did which is just doing something to prove it can be done.
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Actually we never wanted to "prove that something can be done". We just doing our hobby in spare time.
Ever we run WP8 on old phone, it doesn't mean that MS faked all users. They had reasons and I understand them. Project was started long time ago before it was officially known that WP7 won't be updated to WP8.
From outside view it can look like we wanted to say "Hey MS lies, WP7 devices can run WP8!", but it's not
People look interested to view hobby results, as well we try to provide them some fun. like WP7 HSPL provided fun for ROM cookers, for homebrew apps developers, and those before provided fun for users who like to test new stuff and play with own phone.
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Actually we never wanted to "prove that something can be done". We just doing our hobby in spare time.
Ever we run WP8 on old phone, it doesn't mean that MS faked all users. They had reasons and I understand them. Project was started long time ago before it was officially known that WP7 won't be updated to WP8.
From outside view it can look like we wanted to say "Hey MS lies, WP7 devices can run WP8!", but it's not
People look interested to view hobby results, as well we try to provide them some fun. like WP7 HSPL provided fun for ROM cookers, for homebrew apps developers, and those before provided fun for users who like to test new stuff and play with own phone.
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What you did was pretty awesome, and I also want to do it. Your work is yours so I'm not going to try to persuade you to give any info, but I want to get Windows RT running on other devices to show that it can be done (not to prove that Microsoft lied but to test my own (and anyone helping's) skills).
Porting to SAMSUNG GALAXY tab 2
Any idea, if it can be done porting to SAMSUNG GALAXY tab 2 ?
Does the hardware fits? As I read, I believe it's fits (like Microsoft surface ARM device).
What do i need to do?
Thanks in Advance!
Any news? I'm thinking about buying an terra 1001 pad :
https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclien...94,d.d2k&fp=3cf597d2212ac5a5&biw=1366&bih=674
Man guys.. just get a Surface RT or Vivo Tab.
Wouldn't it be nice
Cotulla said:
Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
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I agree, and to be honest the amount of work put into things needs, or should be paid for. Whether MS or Android. What would be nice? A source copy of RT to be paid for and used by any number of singular developers with the contention that MS will not support it, and have that announced publicly. Fact is, people complain when something doesn't work, and it is RARELY the person/manufacturer that they are blaming who are at fault. We as "Humans" give negative publicity out as if it is free candy, 99% of the time we have no real idea who actually is to blame, and forget how many mistakes we ourselves make. By "we" I mean the general public, not anyone or anything specific.
As for that...MS should release the sourcecode. It's a nifty OS and has the potential to be pretty amazing; not to mention the publicity would be good initially. AND...I have a few Tegras laying around I'd LOVE to dual boot with ! SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
First of all this thread is really old, and probably should have been locked a long time ago.
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SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
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I really don't think you are going to see this happen, Windows has been closed source since 1985, I really doubt one day in 2013 they are going to wake up and say "oh, lets just opensource this stuff".
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I agree, and to be honest the amount of work put into things needs, or should be paid for. Whether MS or Android. What would be nice? A source copy of RT to be paid for and used by any number of singular developers with the contention that MS will not support it, and have that announced publicly. Fact is, people complain when something doesn't work, and it is RARELY the person/manufacturer that they are blaming who are at fault. We as "Humans" give negative publicity out as if it is free candy, 99% of the time we have no real idea who actually is to blame, and forget how many mistakes we ourselves make. By "we" I mean the general public, not anyone or anything specific.
As for that...MS should release the sourcecode. It's a nifty OS and has the potential to be pretty amazing; not to mention the publicity would be good initially. AND...I have a few Tegras laying around I'd LOVE to dual boot with ! SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
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Its essentially giving out the whole x86 Windows source code, this will never happen.. I believe
Here's a topic on windows RT recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079409
Maybe this can help in porting it to other devices.
We know about that thread... We have eyes.
Recovery images are useless for this purpose
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Maybe go with windows ce (embedded) + bsp for concrete device instead?
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Well, that wouldn't be RT then, would it? The point of this thread was wondering if RT could be ported to other devices not officially supported, not whether we can install any OS at all.