I was searching on the internet for the code name for windows xp (whistler) becose i must check this out for school.
but searching and searching i found this list ---> Klik
In the windows CE list is added -->
Photon
Windows Mobile 7.0
Major update to the platform, merging Smartphone and Pocket PC. Expected in Q4 2007. [2] (based on Windows CE 6.0) .
If windows mobile 7.0 has a codename (photon) then microsoft is building this software
Greats
Antonius
No... And I thought M$ was lazy with development in Windows Mobile.
yeah CE6 have been out for a long time
so it's only natrual that ms's developers
are making a windows mobile based on it
though i would not count on dates of releases
from wiki everybody can post that
dont need to be officialy or insider ms sources who do
OK Zephus
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zephus No... And I thought M$ was lazy with development in Windows Mobile.
hahah you think ms is lazy LOL i think you are crazy i even have windows mobile 6 Embedded from microsoft .
but if you search more then you notice that microsoft is building a lot of programes and tools.
Greats antonius
Yeah, that's definitely an obsolete target date. The last time Photon was in the news was more than 6 months ago.
From its inception, it had always been rumored to have been a significant shift in user experience heavily featuring iPhone-like "gestures", but I'm guessing it was only that way because of spies stealing Apple's intel (and vice-versa). I mean hey, if WM7 was truly on the verge of being released, don't you think they would have informed HTC of this when they were developing their iPhone-like TouchFLO interface?
My take on the whole matter is they most likely had an internal target date set, but once the iPhone came out, they pushed the date back a ways to make sure it trumps the iPhone when released. I'd peg WM7 as a summer 2008 RTM, with *maybe* holiday season '08 as when you'll start to see devices released with it installed.
made it to the news a while ago....mainly because no one could understand how stupid the marketing team could be that was naming these OS versions. Windows Mobile 6 comes out but its the same Windows CE5 as Windows Mobille 5. Now Windows Mobile 7 is based on Windows CE6...anyone else wish they could get rid of the genius who developed this naming scheme other than me....
I know I can't be the only one that gets annoyed of by this
I think a naming issue is the least of the Windows Mobile development teams worries...and quite frankly they can call it whatever they want id prefer Microsoft gave the WM development division the funds, research or ppl necessary to realise they have powerful devices here and its about time the WM platform evolved to meet the convergence in these devices and take advantage of their capabilities and technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile#Future_versions
Half '08!
just like vista - viana
like what they gonna do with windows vista to windows viena.
they say its honna be just a update and not a hole windows so you buy win vista and then you must install viena update.
i heard that in the news in the dutch from the eu
At&t treo 750
Maybe this is why they are holding on the WM5 upgrade?
windows-mobile-7-details-leaked
http://gizmodo.com/341287/windows-mobile-7-details-leaked-+-multi+touch-motion-gestures
God 2009 - at least we know there will be a new OS not for our current devices but for future ones
but again who knows we might end up with windows 6.5 or 6.6 or 6.x
an alternative will be lots of updates
great news - thanks to the author
well MS better hurry up and improve WM to compete with Androids. Steve Ballmer was talking trash about Androids but I think WM6 still have too many probs, and google doesnt make mistake w/ their products
More WM7 stuff here.
but ther is no wm7 for xda :crying::crying:
How do you even find a thread that is 4 years old on xda? :what:
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yuck
white i like the sound of having desktop applications on phone windows on arm would suck. they need to use intel x64 processors.
and also the fact its not open source
Ok 2008 will be laid to rest...Thank You & Thread Closed.
Already read a Locked thread about porting windows..people were sayin windows 8 supports ARM so at that time windows 8 wasnt released yet...as of now the devs version is out already... and experiments??
Searching MSDN might turn up an answer.. (Q asked 2weeks ago)
I am a Dot.Net programmer so Microsoft helps put food in my children's mouths. I am a huge fan of the .Net dev environment and it is perfect for the business apps my company sells. That said:
I BOUGHT MY ASUS TRANSFORMER BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT SOME DARNED MICROSOFT OS MAKING MY PORTABLE DEVICE A DOG!!!!
My company has provided me with multiple different Windows Mobile piece of junk phones and I am SO PLEASED that they are finally allowing me to upgrade to an Android phone!
Some day I hope to find time to play with the Visual Studio add-in for developing Android apps.
if you really did read the locked thread (yes, I am saying you are bullshitting about that) you would know the answer is no, the windows 8 developer preview is for x86 and x86_64 arches only.
Just a question, but after I got over the whole "OMG NO START BUTTON", I've actually begun to like the OS. I also like the hardware and design of my TF700, a lot more than the slate tablets with the funky cover keyboards. Would it be possible to port Windows 8 to the TF700? I've seen people offer money to help interest developers, is that something that would be of interest? I'm not going to pay $500, I could buy a slate tablet for that, but I would consider tossing up to $100 in to the mix. Maybe others would too?
Thanks in advance for keeping this a *civil* discussion! =)
Does not go in this section
This is the development section. That doesnt go here. Should move it to the general section or something
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I also like the hardware and design of my TF700, a lot more than the slate tablets with the funky cover keyboards. Would it be possible to port Windows 8 to the TF700?
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So basically you're looking for this. Since Windows is not open source, there is no legal way to "port" it.
xcal321 said:
So basically you're looking for this. Since Windows is not open source, there is no legal way to "port" it.
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Microsoft has to approve the hardware that you are allowed to install their Operating System on? Couldn't a developer purchase a copy of Windows 8, port it, produce drivers to make it function, and then basically produce the installation process, methodology, drivers, etc and then the community could purchase their own products and go from there? I don't see how that would be illegal.
Also, the Vivo is a step down from the TF700. Lower resolution. The chassis flexes. It runs RT vs 8. See this review:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3536302/asus-vivo-tab-rt-review
The TF700 is the same price, but a much better hardware platform. It would be a nice solution for those wanting an option. Also, considering you can get Windows 8 for $15 right now, it would be a friendly option for developers at the moment =)
Search the forum. This question or "idea" has popped up several times.
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Couldn't a developer purchase a copy of Windows 8, port it, produce drivers to make it function, and then basically produce the installation process, methodology, drivers, etc and then the community could purchase their own products and go from there? I don't see how that would be illegal.
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You cannot purchase the source code of Windows 8 for porting it. And it's pointless anyway, Microsoft already did it, called it Windows RT, and decided to sell it only preinstalled on hardware.
spinaldex said:
Also, considering you can get Windows 8 for $15 right now, it would be a friendly option for developers at the moment =)
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Who wants to develop apps for Windows 8, and what has this to do with the TF700?
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You cannot purchase the source code of Windows 8 for porting it. And it's pointless anyway, Microsoft already did it, called it Windows RT, and decided to sell it only preinstalled on hardware.
Who wants to develop apps for Windows 8, and what has this to do with the TF700?
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Reverse engineering is no help here ?
azsde said:
Reverse engineeringis no help here ?
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That would be a project exceeding 1000 man years. Forget it. And it would be still illegal.
I don't see any other threads on this topic; there doesn't seem to be any serious discussion on porting Windows RT to run on non-official tablets and other ARM systems (raspberry pi for example).
It seems the main hurdle is that Windows RT requires an UEFI bootloader. Apart from a couple of development boards (ARM Versatile Express for example), there isn't any widespread ARM product that has this. Two things: what happens if one tries to boot windows rt from a UEFI capable development board? Second: if the first test shows some success, it would be worth the effort to write an UEFI emulation bootloader like Chameleon for x86.
Can someone with more experience chime in about possible complications and other issues to worry about?
I know it's been done; there are screenshots and such of Windows RT running on HTC HD2 (Leo) smartphone (which was released as a WinMo 6.5 device, but has had WP7, Android, Maemo, Ubuntu, and $DEITY knows what else ported to it).
That said, I don't expect it will be easy for the wide variety of devices. If nothing else, the drivers for all the hardware may be difficult to come by.
I see it. Has any more info come out of it? Was it just uefi emulation?
I want my Acer Iconia A500 to run windows rt. But no one started porting rt to any other Android devices.
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(raspberry pi for example)
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Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
I know it's been done; there are screenshots and such of Windows RT running on HTC HD2 (Leo) smartphone (which was released as a WinMo 6.5 device, but has had WP7, Android, Maemo, Ubuntu, and $DEITY knows what else ported to it).
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Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It seems the main hurdle is that Windows RT requires an UEFI bootloader.
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It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
there isn't any widespread ARM product that has this.
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BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
Cotulla speaks the truth. Installing RT to systems that didn't come with it means making copies of RT from some other source. Legally speaking, that's almost certainly going to be software piracy, and it's possible that MS would care enough about it to come after this site. That would be bad... This is one of the reasons for the strict anti-piracy rule here.
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Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
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Sorry, by main hurdle I mean why there isn't much public work on it. I know it would be hard to port a system. And I did not know RPI is armv6 so forget about that. Obviously I understand the legality, but I'm not thinking about widespread releases. I'm looking more into what that dft team did which is just doing something to prove it can be done.
Well since TI demoed windows 8 RT on a TI OMAP 4470 system there has to be a build out there for it. I have a SmartQ X7 which also has the TI OMAP 4470/SGX544 chipset, I'd like to try Windows 8 RT on it as I am sure it would run quite well.
Here Engadget has an article about it.
So should be quite possible I'd think?
Sorry, by main hurdle I mean why there isn't much public work on it. I know it would be hard to port a system. And I did not know RPI is armv6 so forget about that. Obviously I understand the legality, but I'm not thinking about widespread releases. I'm looking more into what that dft team did which is just doing something to prove it can be done.
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Actually we never wanted to "prove that something can be done". We just doing our hobby in spare time.
Ever we run WP8 on old phone, it doesn't mean that MS faked all users. They had reasons and I understand them. Project was started long time ago before it was officially known that WP7 won't be updated to WP8.
From outside view it can look like we wanted to say "Hey MS lies, WP7 devices can run WP8!", but it's not
People look interested to view hobby results, as well we try to provide them some fun. like WP7 HSPL provided fun for ROM cookers, for homebrew apps developers, and those before provided fun for users who like to test new stuff and play with own phone.
Cotulla said:
Actually we never wanted to "prove that something can be done". We just doing our hobby in spare time.
Ever we run WP8 on old phone, it doesn't mean that MS faked all users. They had reasons and I understand them. Project was started long time ago before it was officially known that WP7 won't be updated to WP8.
From outside view it can look like we wanted to say "Hey MS lies, WP7 devices can run WP8!", but it's not
People look interested to view hobby results, as well we try to provide them some fun. like WP7 HSPL provided fun for ROM cookers, for homebrew apps developers, and those before provided fun for users who like to test new stuff and play with own phone.
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What you did was pretty awesome, and I also want to do it. Your work is yours so I'm not going to try to persuade you to give any info, but I want to get Windows RT running on other devices to show that it can be done (not to prove that Microsoft lied but to test my own (and anyone helping's) skills).
Porting to SAMSUNG GALAXY tab 2
Any idea, if it can be done porting to SAMSUNG GALAXY tab 2 ?
Does the hardware fits? As I read, I believe it's fits (like Microsoft surface ARM device).
What do i need to do?
Thanks in Advance!
Any news? I'm thinking about buying an terra 1001 pad :
https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclien...94,d.d2k&fp=3cf597d2212ac5a5&biw=1366&bih=674
Man guys.. just get a Surface RT or Vivo Tab.
Wouldn't it be nice
Cotulla said:
Raspberry Pi is using ARMv6, Windows NT works only on ARMv7 Cortex A9-MP.
Yes, it's running on HTC LEO by DFT team. It's not fake.
It's not main hurdle, it's start hurdle. Actually there are much more things after that.
If we are talking about full working system or almost working system the next "hurdles" can be 10x times harder.
BeagleBoard has UEFI bootloader AFAIK. we are used some useful information from there.
It's based on EDK2 kit, MAGLDR-UEFI also based on it as well Surface RT UEFI bootloader.
At the end you forgot the most important thing:
It's a question of legality. While Android and some other OSes are almost free and partially open sourced, Windows RT is closed source system and it's not possible legally install it to any device. System needs activation and etc. Ever information about it.
Some people may say at this point: "ha n00bs, true [email protected] never th1nk ab0ut that", "who care about MS?", "everything should be free"
, but truth actually is different. I am already noticed that
It's why DFT is so careful with spreading any information about that.
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I agree, and to be honest the amount of work put into things needs, or should be paid for. Whether MS or Android. What would be nice? A source copy of RT to be paid for and used by any number of singular developers with the contention that MS will not support it, and have that announced publicly. Fact is, people complain when something doesn't work, and it is RARELY the person/manufacturer that they are blaming who are at fault. We as "Humans" give negative publicity out as if it is free candy, 99% of the time we have no real idea who actually is to blame, and forget how many mistakes we ourselves make. By "we" I mean the general public, not anyone or anything specific.
As for that...MS should release the sourcecode. It's a nifty OS and has the potential to be pretty amazing; not to mention the publicity would be good initially. AND...I have a few Tegras laying around I'd LOVE to dual boot with ! SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
First of all this thread is really old, and probably should have been locked a long time ago.
wcparry said:
SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
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I really don't think you are going to see this happen, Windows has been closed source since 1985, I really doubt one day in 2013 they are going to wake up and say "oh, lets just opensource this stuff".
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I agree, and to be honest the amount of work put into things needs, or should be paid for. Whether MS or Android. What would be nice? A source copy of RT to be paid for and used by any number of singular developers with the contention that MS will not support it, and have that announced publicly. Fact is, people complain when something doesn't work, and it is RARELY the person/manufacturer that they are blaming who are at fault. We as "Humans" give negative publicity out as if it is free candy, 99% of the time we have no real idea who actually is to blame, and forget how many mistakes we ourselves make. By "we" I mean the general public, not anyone or anything specific.
As for that...MS should release the sourcecode. It's a nifty OS and has the potential to be pretty amazing; not to mention the publicity would be good initially. AND...I have a few Tegras laying around I'd LOVE to dual boot with ! SO yes...go MS, give us source food? Don't be Apple
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Its essentially giving out the whole x86 Windows source code, this will never happen.. I believe
Here's a topic on windows RT recovery: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2079409
Maybe this can help in porting it to other devices.
We know about that thread... We have eyes.
Recovery images are useless for this purpose
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gnidorah said:
Maybe go with windows ce (embedded) + bsp for concrete device instead?
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Well, that wouldn't be RT then, would it? The point of this thread was wondering if RT could be ported to other devices not officially supported, not whether we can install any OS at all.