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A news report I read today (Thurs Jan 03, 2008) stated that a US Federal Court judge has ruled that Qualcomm must cease immediately selling 3rd generation WCDMA cellular chips that infringe on patents held by Broadcom.
The news report did NOT list which exact chips these are.
So, obvious question: does the P3650 Polaris CPU fall into the "banned for Qualcomm" category ?
Does anyone have reliable, accurate knowledge of which chips are actually affected by this ?
Hi,
I found this article:
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/...d=HVYWDP3Q0PICWQSNDLSCKHA?articleID=205206967
It contains the following statement:
"Shipments of chipsets for devices intended for international markets were not affected by the ruling."
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hqqh
Yes, thank you for that. I'd found 2 other similar reports.
"Shipments of chipsets for devices intended for international markets were not affected by the ruling."
This is a comment from Qualcomm - perhaps Broadcom doesn't believe it !?
The situation seems critical enough. It's very hard to believe any of the reports tell all of the truth.
Read this http://www.broadcom.com/docs/press/12-31-07_Permanent_Injunction_Order.pdf
in brief the MSM7200 chipset (in the polaris) has been banned in the ruling, but as far as I know it only affects devices sold in the US
hinz said:
Read this http://www.broadcom.com/docs/press/12-31-07_Permanent_Injunction_Order.pdf
in brief the MSM7200 chipset (in the polaris) has been banned in the ruling, but as far as I know it only affects devices sold in the US
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Oh my God. I got TC only this new year and i am in US. What does that mean if it is banned.... Can any one tell me what should we do if this ban news is correct..
I don't think there will be big problems. Also considering the amount of phones the chipset is in already. Most likely Qualcomm will be using the same chipset with some modifications to avoid legal problems. Or they make a deal and pay some (a lot) of money to continue using the current chipset.
If they are wise they keep most of the stuff the same (it would cost a lot of money to design a completely new chipset). And as I've read it now, the legal problems with the chipset don't include the parts where we have problems with (video driver). Only time will tell... But so far I'm not that worried.
By the way, the ruling als states (as far as I've read) that they can keep on selling the chips to their current partners where they already have a deal with. So there won't be an early end to the HTC phones with this chipset.
a ruling in us only goes in us companys have to sue in every country to enforce patents
so one can just buy a qualcomm based phone from another country then usa have it ship'd that they cant sell them in usa dont mean feds will be comming round collecting know qualcomm owning offenders
But in what country is the HQ of Qualcomm? A quick look at wikipedia shows that's in the US. (or ofcourse I'm looking at another company, who knows )
Qualcomm (NASDAQ: QCOM) is a wireless telecommunications research and development company based in San Diego, California.
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That could make it difficult with this ruling. However they would be stupid not to find a solution because it will be difficult for them if they can't continue. They've tried legal action so far and that hasn't payed off. But I can imagine there are still other options they can explore and probably will explore as well.
RaptorRVL said:
But in what country is the HQ of Qualcomm? A quick look at wikipedia shows that's in the US. (or ofcourse I'm looking at another company, who knows )
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Nope, that's them. If you're ever in the area (lol), I'll cruise you by and show you their little complex of buildings.
hinz said:
Read this http://www.broadcom.com/docs/press/12-31-07_Permanent_Injunction_Order.pdf
in brief the MSM7200 chipset (in the polaris) has been banned in the ruling, but as far as I know it only affects devices sold in the US
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Thank you for the link to the actual ruling.
Yes, I agree that the ruling is quite clear - the MSM7200 chip (in the Polaris) is subject to patent restriction, but limited to the US. (That is a puzzle in itself). Unless Qualcomm pays Broadcom the prescribed royalties for US-sold products, the Polaris as it is currently fabricated is dead-in-the water in the US.
This is not to say that Qualcomm won't appeal the ruling. My hard experience over many years is that when lawyers and judges become involved, they are the only end-winners.
Qualcomm also maintain that they have pin-to-pin equivalents that do not infringe, but the Polaris as currently manufactured does not use these alternatives.
Now I also wonder at a question I have asked in another thread - UK retailers that are currently claiming stock or "real soon now" stock (eg. Expansys UK) have also recently edited the spec list to quote ONLY 2100Mhz for UMTS in Europe.
The US and other countries (including Aus) use 850Mhz outside the cities. So if we accept that newly-arriving retail stock is limited to 2100Mhz (ie. single, not tri-band) then the UTMS capability is very limited.
And then I lose interest in the thing.
The HTC website still says HSDPA/UMTS: 2100 MHz (Europe), 850/1900 MHz (USA).
Wonder if this will change...it did for the S730 (has the same chipset as the Polaris).
kevinrirvine said:
Relax posts 11 and 12. I have the Polaris in my hand right now and it is for sure TRIBAND UMTS/HSDPA and as I like to say for our side of the Pond. I am one of the first in the USA to have this device and it does work very quickly I might add on the US 850/1900MHZ UMTS/HSDPA Band. Buy it for it is the lightest pocket pc/pda/phone on the market and very good looking too.Thanks, Kevin
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Thank you for your comment. That is exactly what I have been asking of current owners for 3-4 days now (up till now, no answer).
BUT I will not lay out $$$ until I am absolutely assured that the device as now retailed now is tri-band.
There still remains the distinct possibility that retail stock before and after this court ruling are differently configured.
ianl8888 said:
Thank you for your comment. That is exactly what I have been asking of current owners for 3-4 days now (up till now, no answer).
BUT I will not lay out $$$ until I am absolutely assured that the device as now retailed now is tri-band.
There still remains the distinct possibility that retail stock before and after this court ruling are differently configured.
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@ianl8888,
I think truthfully your making a mine out of a molehill. Htc or no oem can change the spec's after a device is released and this whole quaLcomm situation is stll filled with uncertainty and it will take possibly yrs for the courts and lawyer's to resolve. I bought mine just 3 dys ago at www.onthegosolutions.com and they are very reputABLE and I have done bsuiness with them for yrs and you will get the Polaris triband and all I assure you. No one in the country USA has stock now yet they do and it will ship the same day however you like. As for expansys UK, NEVER, REPEAT NEVER GO BY ANYHING THEY SAY OR DO FOR I HAVE DEALT WITH THEM BEFORE AND IT WAS A NIGHTMARE.
kevinrirvine said:
As for expansys UK, NEVER, REPEAT NEVER GO BY ANYHING THEY SAY OR DO FOR I HAVE DEALT WITH THEM BEFORE AND IT WAS A NIGHTMARE.
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Really? in what way? I have it on back order with them.
Side questions: Am I allowed to use my credit card for multiple back orders? I might have to place another back order with a different retailer if they are really that bad.
Abbsta said:
Really? in what way? I have it on back order with them.
Side questions: Am I allowed to use my credit card for multiple back orders? I might have to place another back order with a different retailer if they are really that bad.
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They really are that bad and it is a long and complicated story. Deal with Clove Tech and Tell them Kevin Irvine sent you and they will take very good care of your order and keep you up to date about stock pricing etc. A very honest company. Simply put, I sent several e-mails to them to cancel my order for the toshiba g900 when it was first released and they never had the courtesy of a reply back and then out of the blue stock came in and they shipped to me, charged my card illegally and to top it all off did not declare the device properly for US Customs so it was held for days until I not they had to solve the problem. Then when I finally received it I refused delivery and expansys never returned any of fed ex's calls to return the item to them and you probably get the point by now.
Yes, to your first question but be careful here for if the companies your placing your backorder's with get stock on the same day for example your in trouble. Kevin
Sorry to hear about that and I better cancel it then. Cheers for the advice Kevin.
kevinrirvine said:
@ianl8888,
I think truthfully your making a mine out of a molehill. Htc or no oem can change the spec's after a device is released and this whole quaLcomm situation is stll filled with uncertainty and it will take possibly yrs for the courts and lawyer's to resolve. I bought mine just 3 dys ago at www.onthegosolutions.com and they are very reputABLE and I have done bsuiness with them for yrs and you will get the Polaris triband and all I assure you. No one in the country USA has stock now yet they do and it will ship the same day however you like. As for expansys UK, NEVER, REPEAT NEVER GO BY ANYHING THEY SAY OR DO FOR I HAVE DEALT WITH THEM BEFORE AND IT WAS A NIGHTMARE.
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Again, thank you for your comment. I had no doubt that earlier retail supply was tri-band; I have much doubt about later supply - the Court order states "IMMEDIATE STOP ..." and turning off available UMTS frequencies is a fairly simple ROM change. That's not a molehill. Perhaps the ROM cookers here can bypass that !
The only bright spot here is the limitation to US-only sales. Purchasing a fully specced device from elsewhere bypasses that, with the downside of Warranty service also being elsewhere.
I agree with you on marketing - marketers are to be trusted even less than lawyers, if that were possible. UK retailers other than Expansys have also changed the spec list in the last 3-4 days.
Supply is still in the "real soon now" category for most of the world. So we only have to wait for "real soon now".
Lastly, I'm not panicking in the slightest. If the thing really is crippled by Qualcomm's Court-decided patent infringements, that's simply too bad. Another "thing" will turn up eventually, without the rain clouds, in response to demonstrated world-wide demand. But the impact of this Court decision will be felt - we can't yet predict how.
how to check UMTS
Hello Everyone, I am using HTC touch cruise for the last one week and it is such a cool device. got from On the go solutions. But after lots of confusions in the thread, is it any way to check what frequency of UMTS that my phone supports. I m with T-Mobile and there is no 3G. Is there any where can i check.. Please...
Mates, think waht you're discussing 'bout!
Qualcomm is forbidden to sell it's chips - since the beginning of this week!
HTC may have ordered a few 10.000th items of this chip for the polaris which are obviously already delivered.
The polaris is assembled in taiwan.
And last the devices have to be delivered all 'round the world (hee - something like santa hoohoo).
You thing, the time from delivering the chips from qc to htc and the device in the stores is less than one week?
All devices, which are sold till now are fully functional!
All other will do well too ...
Designing a mobile (any so called hightech) lasts several months. If they change the umts-functions they will to it by firmware change they won't be able to simply replace the chip. Or they leave it like it is, maybe some compensation will be payed to Broadcomm.
greetz
a happy polaris owner
I can't seem to find out any proper information or benchmarks for the MediaTek SOC's that are being used on budget smartphones these days. I have read many user comments which didn't inspire any confidence about these SOCs. Are they really that terrible for performance or are those comments out of prejudice about the mediatek cpu's being using in chinese phones?
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I can't seem to find out any proper information or benchmarks for the MediaTek SOC's that are being used on budget smartphones these days. I have read many user comments which didn't inspire any confidence about these SOCs. Are they really that terrible for performance or are those comments out of prejudice about the mediatek cpu's being using in chinese phones?
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Actually, its due to the lack of info about them which is resulting in this. They dont provide much info to the end user/devs. I had a phone based on a mediatek chip about a few years back, and had trouble figuring out much about it. It was a fake nokia model. Eventually, just threw it away.
from what i know and can see on you tube there's actually a lot of information about MTK soc based smartphones.
you just have to know what model to look for. i suggest u check out merimobiles and see what it is ur looking for and then checking google for it.
Plz can someone tell us what does it mean 'vendor packge'in the instruction of b324
A vendor, also known as a supplier, is an individual or company that sells goods or services to someone else in the economic production chain.*
Vendors are a part of the*supply chain: the network of all the individuals, organizations, resources, activities and technology involved in the creation and sale of a product, from the delivery of source materials from the supplier to the manufacturer, through to its eventual delivery to the end user.
Parts manufacturers are vendors of parts to other manufacturers that assemble the parts into something sold to wholesalers or retailers. Retailers are vendors of products to consumers. In information technology as well as in other industries, the term is commonly applied to suppliers of goods and services to other companies.
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Think but we need the meaning in relation with mate 7
Prof1977 said:
Plz can someone tell us what does it mean 'vendor packge'in the instruction of b324
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The vendor package contains the apps the manufacturer decided to install on your device by default, aka bloatware. So if you ever wondered why some games and other apps either reappear after a factory reset or refuse to be uninstalled via titanium backup - they are part of this package.
That's not technique problem or whatever. Samsung want people to buy Samsung phone. On the website,it says functions may be limited bla bla... but, that does not mean you can limit the function on function to make people buy your phone. To all consumers who buy gear s2, it's unfair. It's discrimination.
As far as I knew, Uber in America and Wechat in China are limited for Samsung phone only.
Hope your company consider this problem seriously
And I wonder is there a way to install apps without Samsung's official store?
This is there attitude
Dear XXXX,
Thank you for taking the time to contact us at Samsung Technical Support. We always appreciate hearing from our customers.
After reviewing your Email, I understand that you are having concerns in regard of applications on Non Samsung devices. I will assist you with all the available information from our end.
I would like to inform you that we in email support only have the information in regard of Samsung phones. We do not have much information on Non Samsung devices.
I hope you understand our limitations. If there had any alternate options, I would have surely offered you.
Should you desire additional assistance, we invite you to access the web-link http://www.samsung.com/us/support/contact to speak to a Chat Specialist. Our technicians are more than happy to assist you further. Chat Support is available 24X7.
For additional support and updates regarding your product, please follow us at @SamsungSupport on Twitter or like our page at https://www.facebook.com/samsungsupport.
Thank you for choosing Samsung products.
If you have a minute, please fill out a brief survey to help us serve you better. To begin the survey, click on the “Start Survey Here” link at the bottom of this email. Please note that you can access the survey page only when the pop-up blocker is disabled in the browser.
Sincerely,
Pooja
So basically they are shameless...
They do not care their consumers, I mean, buy discrimination.
Think about this, they treat their gear s2 consumers unfair. They specific don't offer the service that all the consumers should get, because the pay the same money.
So basically you are mad at their support staff for not having information, made at Samsung (the whole company) because of a corporate decision to limit some apps to Samsung phones.
What they did isn't discrimination, it's not anything but a business decision. Is Apple discriminating by only allowing apple watches to be used on iPhones? How about Google not allowing android wear to be used on windows devices, how about on iPhone, are all apps from the play store available on the app store?
Does it suck that you can't use the apps you want? Certainly does. But is it an issue of discrimination or Samsung doing anything other companies are not doing? No its not.
It's unfair of you to expect Samsung to cater to you. Don't want their product? Don't buy it. Don't like their policies? Don't buy their products.
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It's a poor business decision that carries through customer support. As a business Samsung maintains the right to exert such decisions, as a consumer, it's our right to complain about them, and dissuade potential users who would not wish to purchase a device with stunted functionality.
It was not expected prior to purchase that Samsung would stunt and limit their products functionality to their own phones, when the watch is advertised for use with other android phones. It's not discrimination, but there's an element of deception.
As opposed to not allowing android wear to be used on windows devices (additional effort where the wear OS is property of Google), Samsung took an active stance to limit a third party developer's app to use with their own phones, when that app could easily be used with others.
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So basically you are mad at their support staff for not having information, made at Samsung (the whole company) because of a corporate decision to limit some apps to Samsung phones.
What they did isn't discrimination, it's not anything but a business decision. Is Apple discriminating by only allowing apple watches to be used on iPhones? How about Google not allowing android wear to be used on windows devices, how about on iPhone, are all apps from the play store available on the app store?
Does it suck that you can't use the apps you want? Certainly does. But is it an issue of discrimination or Samsung doing anything other companies are not doing? No its not.
It's unfair of you to expect Samsung to cater to you. Don't want their product? Don't buy it. Don't like their policies? Don't buy their products.
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It's a poor business decision that carries through customer support. As a business Samsung maintains the right to exert such decisions, as a consumer, it's our right to complain about them, and dissuade potential users who would not wish to purchase a device with stunted functionality.
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True, you can complain. True it may have been a bad decision to limit certain functionality, or a good one, depending on your view. It may push people who do not have a Samsung phone to buy one.
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It was not expected prior to purchase that Samsung would stunt and limit their products functionality to their own phones, when the watch is advertised for use with other android phones. It's not discrimination, but there's an element of deception.
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Why not? I believe it says not all functionality will work with non-Samsung phones. If not I apologize because I seem to remember it saying that, but could be wrong.
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As opposed to not allowing android wear to be used on windows devices (additional effort where the wear OS is property of Google), Samsung took an active stance to limit a third party developer's app to use with their own phones, when that app could easily be used with others.
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You assume it is Samsung limiting the availability of the apps, and not the app developer. Do you have evidence of this or is it wild speculation?
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From CNN:
"ZTE Corporation, one of China's largest tech companies, has halted "major operating activities" after a US ban against the company went into effect, according to a new public filing."
"Some of the company's products, which includes smartphones and telecommunications equipment, appeared to be taken offline Wednesday. "
And this is so stupid because not everyone lives in the US.........
Unfortunately ZTE have not kept up an agreement with the US and action has been taken .... makes me think thank god for tdm and his amazing work
stinka318 said:
And this is so stupid because not everyone lives in the US.........
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The biggest part of the seven-year ban involves no buying any products from US based companies. So no Qualcomm chips, no Dolby, etc. That's what really is devastating to them.
That being said it still sucks. It seemed like they were heading in a good direction, but they violated terms of a legal settlement. I'll still be using my Axon 7 Mini as a "backup" phone, but unfortunately won't be able to get another ZTE...
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Is there still a point to purchasing one and going through the trouble of rooting it so that I will work on Verizon?
igresham said:
Is there still a point to purchasing one and going through the trouble of rooting it so that I will work on Verizon?
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If I were you I would maybe go with Huawei, they manufacture most of the parts themselves. Don't know if they will be also banned soon
ZTE should partner with Huawei and get the parts from them. Although I am unsure which supplier is being used for WiFi (if it would be Broadcom it would be funny)
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If I were you I would maybe go with Huawei, they manufacture most of the parts themselves. Don't know if they will be also banned soon
ZTE should partner with Huawei and get the parts from them. Although I am unsure which supplier is being used for WiFi (if it would be Broadcom it would be funny)
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Partnering with Huawei might get past finding a supplier for the CPU/SoC - switch from Snapdragon to Kirin. Mediatek would be another option.
Still, they'd be stuck needing to roll out a whole new lineup of devices based on the new hardware.
In any event, would still have trouble purchasing a license for Google-certified Android software such as the Play Services, Play Store, etc.
However, it's starting to look like the USA strategy all along was to use this export ban as a bargaining tool to force China to make concessions in ongoing trade negotiations. There's nothing like going thermonuclear (figuratively speaking) to catch your adversary's (also known as "trading partner's") attention. Trump has recently tweeted that he's open to "working together" with the Chinese government to re-start ZTE's operations. (On the other hand, I've read in other news sources claiming that the most recent string of events with the USA backpedaling on the ZTE file is evidence of China preying on a naive USA trade strategy. Who knows: Maybe both opinions are true?)