Hi everyone,
I'm in a bit of a dilemna here - my Prophet just died due to massive ice tea overdose, so I'm in the market for a new phone. And as luck would have it, my O2 contract is coming up for renewal next month.
I can get an Xperia X1 for 220 Euros and a Touch HD for 250. What should I go for?
I like the idea of a hardware QWERTY keyboard and the D-Pad, but the HD's screen is just so sexy. Are there any other reasons to go for the HD? How does the battery life compare between the two? Sound quality?
bemymonkey said:
Hi everyone,
I'm in a bit of a dilemna here - my Prophet just died due to massive ice tea overdose, so I'm in the market for a new phone. And as luck would have it, my O2 contract is coming up for renewal next month.
I can get an Xperia X1 for 220 Euros and a Touch HD for 250. What should I go for?
I like the idea of a hardware QWERTY keyboard and the D-Pad, but the HD's screen is just so sexy. Are there any other reasons to go for the HD? How does the battery life compare between the two? Sound quality?
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Here you can see what people want most:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446362
They are so different, keyboard, screen, etc
Really will depend on what you need from a device
If they were the only 2 devices in the world I would choose the Xperia just because the KB...
Might be picking up an Xperia myself tomorrow but am worried about the build quality with the massive problem of the casing cracking and coming apart.
Hopefully it won't affect the latest ones.
Thanks for the insight orb3000.
mcgra said:
Might be picking up an Xperia myself tomorrow but am worried about the build quality with the massive problem of the casing cracking and coming apart.
Hopefully it won't affect the latest ones.
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:O:O:O
Linky?
bemymonkey said:
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Linky?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=447211
I don't see any 2009 phones coming up on that at the moment so fingers crossed they have sorted it out.
Damn, that sucks. Sort of tilting me back toward the touch HD - how're the SIP options on there? Two-thumb-typing possible?
I use both thumbs to type on my Touch HD all the time, and it's pretty good. It takes a bit of getting used to - it is much easier to type the wrong letter.
Some apps have been developed to arrange an alternative keyboard (see "FingerKeyboard" in Blackstone -> Themes, Apps, Software forum), but they do end up taking about half the screen. So you Xperia gets the bigger screen when you type.
BUT! The Touch HD's video playback (once you get it working...with the help of SDTuneUp, CorePlayer) is amazing. 3.8" of screen awesomeness.
Battery-life wise...I don't use wifi that often, and I'm holiday-ing in Hong Kong at the moment, so no 3G roaming. After about a day I'm down to around 70% if I don't use it much. Use it a lot (wifi/3G on most of the time) and you'll drain it in a day, easy. But that's the story for most devices. The easiest way around that is to find some replacement batteries no eBay and the like...they are pretty cheap.
In my opinion, if you are going to do a lot of typing, the Xperia appears the way to go (you can even get TF3D for it). But if you're looking for that multimedia-kick, then the Blackstone is the only drug for you =]
Hope that helps a little.
Hmmm, that's the thing - all I really need is a PDA phone that doubles as an MP3 player and ebook reader. I would've gone with a Touch Diamond, but there's a huge thread about it having problems with audio lag - that would pretty much screw it in terms of using it as an MP3 player...
Do the HD and X1 have any problems like that? Skipping/lag/pausing during audio or video playback?
How about build quality on the HD? No problems with cracking, creaking or anything like that?
Thanks a lot for your help so far, everyone
hmm...
....if you're not going to do much typing or watching of videos..
if you don't mind waiting for a bit, then maybe the Touch Diamond 2 is the phone for you.
It's basically a 3.2" version of the Blackstone, complete with WVGA res. The processor, ram are all the same and has an improved TF3D.
As far as I can tell, Blackstone doesn't have many issues with audio playback. The music app is pretty good, and you even have an "Audio Booster" app from HTC that will give you Equaliser control plus some preset Equalisers.
Touch Diamond 2 (and Touch Pro 2) are going to come out some time in Q2 (probably late Q2)...so that's a 3 month window where these phones could come out. They might be good for you. Also cheaper....probably.
I've been doing some reading in the Diamond/Touch Pro/Xperia and HD forums, and it seems that they all have the problem with skipping.
Is there an older HTC device that's usable as an MP3 player (i.e. no skipping, good quality, low noise floor) and has HSDPA? Preferably with a 3.5mm jack, but ExtUSB is OK too...
i got an x1 and love it. had the choice of htc hd and bb storm when i bought it in november and still very happy with my choice
No cracking casing or skipping MP3s?
the silver x1's seem to crack, my black one is knocked about everyday at work and theres no cracks only a bit of paint coming off the metal battery cover edge,
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yes had to send it back as it did get cracks, but sony replaced it and had no probs with this handset, which is silver.
never had and skipping in mp3's
i was hesitant on getting the touch HD because of lack of a hardware input method, since i was so used to my touch dual, orange dint carry the xperia so i dint really have much of a choice. im extremely happy with it though, because the screen is so large, the on screen inputs are actually quite comfortable to use, while i cant type as fast as my touch dual, i can type almost as fast.
my friend is having lots of issues with his xperia, cracking case, sluggish performance, poor battery life.
the HD actually has very very surpisingly good battery life. thers a good review at this site if u wanna check it out:
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-touch-hd-en.shtml
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Well, I've had the Touch pro for a while now and I love it to death... But a phone that seems equally appealing is the SE Xperia X1. First of all, would anyone be interested in buying my Fuze... And second, what's everyone's thought on the Xperia? I know for me it seems to be a touch pro with a curved keyboard, but more importantly, something to keep me entertained because it's new. I've loved sony ericsson phones in the past, so a blend of them and HTC seems to be bliss.
Back to the Fuze for a moment, includes 6 screen protectors (bought as a pack from expansys), tv-out, fm radio and headphones, as well as a ton more software to extend its capabilities beyond AT&T's intentions. Also includes HTC leather case, USB cable, home and car chargers. PM offers (if there are any). Thanks.
Forgot, it also comes with an 8 gig microsd card and tons of software (gps, etc) with backups for EVERYTHING.
I think TouchFlo is more functional than the X1's "panels" display, even if it's a bit of a mem hog. But I think a combination of the two would be killer, using the X1 panels as a pseudo Alt+Tab.
For me the major difference would be the Touch Pro's better keyboard or the X1's larger display, and I would personally go with the better keyboard.
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I think TouchFlo is more functional than the X1's "panels" display, even if it's a bit of a mem hog. But I think a combination of the two would be killer, using the X1 panels as a pseudo Alt+Tab.
For me the major difference would be the Touch Pro's better keyboard or the X1's larger display, and I would personally go with the better keyboard.
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Interesting... Well, after using this for 2 weeks I have no qualms with screen size, but I do love the keyboard... Maybe I'll see if I can get one from a store that'd possibly allow a return within a few days and see if the keyboard is to my liking. Thanks for the input.
Black I Know What You Are Thinking!
The SlingBox/SlingPlayer mobile on my mini jimbotron X1 super TV screen, me and my Mets, Black I've been thinking the same thing too.......!(lol)
The Xperia is allready delayed for a couple of months (Dec - Jan) and there are rumors about SonyEricsson breacking. http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7601.html And given the recent economic results might just be true.
But... I used to have P900 and it was the best phone ever!
In all the X1 is a good phone, touch panel is not fully developed as of yet, and video playback is absolutely a negative, fps is very poor, guess these and all other negatives if taken care of xperia is going to be a good phone.
Another negative is the earpiece sound quality.. manageable at half volume..but anything more than half is bad, (this is relative anyway) and overall system sound is low, but it feels very sturdy, and sleek, all aluminium casing except the camera area thats is plastic, keypad is not too bad for small fingered people but a little tiny for big thumbers!
Battery life is pretty good and battery is same as the Sonyericsson P1i.
I have used 3 of this phone , still have the 3rd one now, 2 has been given out (dont ask me how )
there is room for improvement on what obtains of this phone as at now..
bR
X1 - Four row keyboard. Available Q1 2009 - maybe
Touch Pro - FIVE row keyboard (you will never want to go back). Available - now
graemesmith said:
X1 - Four row keyboard. Available Q1 2009 - maybe
Touch Pro - FIVE row keyboard (you will never want to go back). Available - now
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Well, availability may not be an issue... I might be able to cop one now. The only thing I don't like is the look of the buttons on the front, I think the Touch Pro is much more attractive aesthetically.
2 thing x1 got on raphael is
1 microSD access without having to open it as it would result in microSDIO cards with ext connectors would only when when raphael is open
2 3.5mm minijack
Rudegar said:
2 thing x1 got on raphael is
1 microSD access without having to open it as it would result in microSDIO cards with ext connectors would only when when raphael is open
2 3.5mm minijack
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Woah it has a 3.5mm headphone jack? That's HUGE to me.
Some reviews I've read say the X1 keyboard feels cheap and cheesy like it's fixing to break, vs the TP's keyboard being very good. My thoughts are there are fewer keys on the X1's keyboard, so I think it'd be easier to type on if they get the hardware fixed.
Another thing to remember is the X1 uses WVGA, which is a non-standard 480x800 screen res, whereas the TP uses standard VGA of 480x640. Some people think the non-standard screen res will cause some app's to not work properly, but I'm not so sure of that. I believe someone could write a 'virtual screen' driver to create a VGA screen inside the WXGA screen area. Any video playback software shouldn't matter...
black
not sure if you saw my post in the other forum but I have a good friend that works for Qualcomm and he is a cab tester and a proc tester for new upcoiming devices. He got the xperia some time ago and has basically had to get 3 of them. The first the keyboard fell off lol. The second the screen blew out lol. And so far he says the 3rd has so many problems with the hardware drivers and WM that it wont stay stable for very long. Basically his advice was to steer clear for a ling time until a lot changes.
If you like i can relay some questions to him for you if your need to know something specific that he may know.
As a side note, he also had the TP for a long time and said there is absolutely no comparison and the TP wins hands down in all areas. BUT (hehe you knew there was a but), he is an IPhone user DOH!!! So take all that for what it is worth bro.
ill give you 500 shipped.
volcomnator999 said:
ill give you 500 shipped.
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he payed like 900
just to throw my towel in...
I was told that the SE was delayed as a result of a lot of complaints from those who are testing it. My AT&T rep got to test one shortly and he also said it was buggy and hard to use without the desire to bash it against a wall from time to time.
I'd wait this one out. But I agree that selling your TP now is the right move. You should be able to make money on it since nobody else has one.
-Mc
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ill give you 500 shipped.
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Haha, pending sale for $1,000. It's hilarious, I've also had offers of $350 and $400 from some clowns on here... When it comes out for AT&T, the retail price (no contract) will be like 599-699... Why the hell would I sell it months before release for $350? Seriously guys? I'm not desperate.
That being said, if the sale falls through for a grand I'll let everyone know. I also have offers in the 850-1000 range so don't even consider 500 next time. ;-)
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black
not sure if you saw my post in the other forum but I have a good friend that works for Qualcomm and he is a cab tester and a proc tester for new upcoiming devices. He got the xperia some time ago and has basically had to get 3 of them. The first the keyboard fell off lol. The second the screen blew out lol. And so far he says the 3rd has so many problems with the hardware drivers and WM that it wont stay stable for very long. Basically his advice was to steer clear for a ling time until a lot changes.
If you like i can relay some questions to him for you if your need to know something specific that he may know.
As a side note, he also had the TP for a long time and said there is absolutely no comparison and the TP wins hands down in all areas. BUT (hehe you knew there was a but), he is an IPhone user DOH!!! So take all that for what it is worth bro.
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Yeah, after seeing quite a few reviews of the Xperia I realized how lucky I got with the Fuze. The SE is buggy as all hell because it's a pre-release, and it just made me more thankful that this thing has no problems at all. Also keep in mind though, the Xperia isn't slotted till Q1 2009 for release... Hopefully they have more time to work it out.
That being said, I think the keyboard will be a gigantic disappointment compared to the touch pro... Typing and having all of the punctuation available without a function key was the nicest part of the 5 row... Will the bigger screen and less memory-hungry interface (hopefully) make up for it? Well, I hope so... Maybe I'll wait for the AT&T release in Q1 so I can return it within 30 days and get another Fuze.
i was just joking :shifty......
ill be waiting to get mine soon...less than retail price..heheh
volcomnator999 said:
i was just joking :shifty......
ill be waiting to get mine soon...less than retail price..heheh
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Haha ok, like I said I've gotten plenty of ridiculous offers.
Just got another for $875, kinda wish I'd taken that $1400 offer when I had it... Oh well :-(
I have been reading several topics on the forthcoming HD and it seems that most of us are very excited and anxious about the HD. Was wondering how many of us would actually dump the TP for the new HD...!!!
I personally don't see the point. The HD is basically a bigger diamond with Pro specs.
I seem to be one of the few who still prefer phones that actually fit in a pocket.
Now a Diamond with Pro specs (RAM, card slot, video out, etc) only missing the keyboard but thinner would be something to think about.
I'm very tempted to go for the Touch HD when (if!) it eventually gets released on T-Mob UK.
Fed up of waiting for them to get the Pro out of the door, plus now I'm running TF2D on my Hermes with the Diamond keyboard I'm not so sure I need a hw keyboard, especially with the bigger screen of the HD typing should be a breeze.
It's not so big as to not fit in a pocket, same size as an iPhone pretty much and noone complains about the size of that (not even Apple haters like me!). It'll be like going back to my old Blueangel! I think the thickness of the Pro makes it less pocketable than a bigger but thinner phone like the HD.
the reason i didnt get a diamond or iphone is because theres no keyboard... so no, im still on the raphael ship
Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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directional buttons? make use of the accelerometer! i really wish WM has games like iphone
Hmm i'm thinking the same, i currently own a Pro but i'm thinking of selling it and get a HD later. But i'm not sure atm.
I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???
Never: it's way to big, it has no keyboard and no flash(light).
Well... talkin about the flash, I dont really think that the flash on touch pro is of any use either...
I just saw someone walking by that just might be prittier than my current girlfriend....
Because I'm spoiled (and Christmas is almost here), I'm going to get the HD and keep the TP. This way, I can alternate depending on which type of mood I'm in. Just like swapping my watches.
Geez...I love my wife!
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Please note that the HD has no directional button. This will make it useless for games. Even with Diamond and Touch Pro, the limitation of buttons available make it difficult running games. Further more, I'm missing the camera and record button. It is quite troublesome using the TouchFlo 3D to get to the camera.
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That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now.
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I don't know if i'm convinced about the iPhone/HD big, wide & flat format.
Plus the fact that I always have the impression that the larger the screen the more susceptible to damage that screen is. I would be scared witless to put something like a HD in my pocket!!
I really would have to play with one in a store and see how good the onscreen keyboard was before I could make an informed choice.
So far my TP is doing everything I need and is a big improvement over my old Artemis that served me well for 2 years. Would changing from a TP to a HD be an improvement??? Seeing the specs are similar what "improvement" would I be getting??? If the answer is only a "nice big screen" then why would I bother bearing in mind it would probably cost a couple of hundred pounds to 'upgrade'???
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5MP camera, 3.5mm headphone jack for starters.
The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing. But yes the audio jack is definately a good improvement on the HD, I always prefer to have a conventional audio connector...
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The 5mp camera is not really a major thing to be to be honest, cause mobile cameras could never come even close to the quality of the actual point & shoot cameras, hence ppl who takes snaps with their phones can very well get away wit the 3.2mp for random moments capturing...
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I totally agree the camera is just a gimmick really. If you want good quality pics to keep you'll take them with a conventional digital camera with an optical zoom. Phone cameras are only good for MMS messages and snapshots to be disposed of at a later date IMHO.
As for the audio connector... why spend 200 quid to update the phone when you can get a HTC mini USB to 3.5" audio adapter on-line for £5???? Doesn't make sense to me unless you have money to burn!
I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!
"That means the iPhone is useless for games? I've even seen NES emulators on iPhones... Come on now."
maybe he mean useless for all those current wm games where many require more hardware buttons then any htc phones got to control various functions like tombraider don't know of any htc phone which had enough buttons for that
I wouldn't replace my TP with HD because I think it's great having a keyboard on your phone for messaging, email, even writing blogs or modifying web pages when I'm not home.
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I thought about it too, but my main concern is battery life. Its not great on my TP, with that screen it will be terrible on the HD. I doubt you'll get through watching a full movie!
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Are you still running the stock ROM? Wouldnt hurt to explore a cooked flavour before you abandon it
either tomorrow..or sometime before sunday..
So that'll be the tilt, a fuze and now the omnia, for verizon wireless, im leaving At&t.
so yea..anyone have any suggestions? or recommendations?
Late,
Jstar
Good move. I've been a huge fan of HTC for years but their latest devices are just not good multi-media devices at all.
Both the Diamond and Touch pro video playback suck with every piece of software I've tried.
The Omnia on the other hand...WOW !
Awesome video playback, screen size is perfect, cool touch/mouse pad above all else...TV-out.
Can't believe I wasted so much money on a Touch Pro (damn thing can't even play a low bit rate 640x480 mp4 smoothly).
blah!
looks like its going to be over the weekend..worked another late night tonight
either way thats what i was thinking force..the video driver for the price i paid for my FUZE, should have been on point..BUT still im getting some increment lag..and that is no bueno!
so needless to say..i shall be on the hunt over the next few days for a new ROM, if any some themes..and some other goodies for the Omnia.
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Jstar
Have a read up over at the omnia modaco forums and also samsung-omnia.org
Lots of usefull info there plus tips and tweaks.
I gave my tpro to my daughter at UNC-CH, (and the guys all go crazy over it). I'm using an omnia on ATT, even though it's only on edge, no problem so far. I really like the extra stretch of the screen, even tho it's wqvga (my eyes don't see that big of a difference). The tv-out is a biggie for me. I use it a lot now for presentations. I could be wrong, but it seems the new stuff coming out don't have tv-out??
I can't see what the big deal is about VGA because the screens on both the Diamond and Touch pro are too small to see any real difference, even when compared with a QVGA device of the same size.
I done a demo (inc. high bit rate video) for a bunch of friends with the Diamond and Touch Dual (I love this qvga device) and they all loved the Dual.
As for WQVGA, the larger Omnia screen blows the latest HTC devices away and yes, the eyes don't see any less just because it's not VGA.
Playing Virtual Pool Mobile on a big screen plasma or LCD kicks ass.
Surfing the web on a big screen TV and using the Omnia as a mouse is just awesome too.
So come on HTC, sort out your video drivers and get on top of the game again.
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I can't see what the big deal is about VGA because the screens on both the Diamond and Touch pro are too small to see any real difference, even when compared with a QVGA device of the same size.
I done a demo (inc. high bit rate video) for a bunch of friends with the Diamond and Touch Dual (I love this qvga device) and they all loved the Dual.
As for WQVGA, the larger Omnia screen blows the latest HTC devices away and yes, the eyes don't see any less just because it's not VGA.
Playing Virtual Pool Mobile on a big screen plasma or LCD kicks ass.
Surfing the web on a big screen TV and using the Omnia as a mouse is just awesome too.
So come on HTC, sort out your video drivers and get on top of the game again.
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see..its posts like this that make purchases much easier!
thanks alot for the feedback.
and as far as modaco.com, as u mentioned petest i just signed up and mann...the porting they got going on over there for the omnia is SICK! im really gonna dig this device!
thanks to all!
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The other thing that bugs me about my touch Pro is it's weight and depth.
It's like 2 Diamonds sandwiched together.
With todays technology, the qwerty keyboard should be a lot slimmer.
And finally, with such a fat device, why no built in memory ?
Don't tell me they didn't have space.
The Diamond had 4GB but the Touch Pro has non !!!!!
The Omnia has 8 or 16GB built in (depending on the version you buy) and a micro SD slot for expansion.
I love HTC but they are being left behind by others now.
IMHO, please hold the Sony Xperia X1 before deciding.
You'll have a very different oppinion after testing this device, it's amazing.
Not that the Omnia is a bad phone, no way, but the Xperia is far away in RAM, screen resolution, build quality etc.
Take a chance on it and hold it in your hand, turn it on and play a little with the keyboard, feel the metal chassis... you'll fall in love
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IMHO, please hold the Sony Xperia X1 before deciding.
You'll have a very different oppinion after testing this device, it's amazing.
Not that the Omnia is a bad phone, no way, but the Xperia is far away in RAM, screen resolution, build quality etc.
Take a chance on it and hold it in your hand, turn it on and play a little with the keyboard, feel the metal chassis... you'll fall in love
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i can dig that..
but uhhh where can i get my paws on it?
i have yet to see it in any store. id love to give it a whirl
Late,
Jstar
gtrab said:
IMHO, please hold the Sony Xperia X1 before deciding.
You'll have a very different oppinion after testing this device, it's amazing.
Not that the Omnia is a bad phone, no way, but the Xperia is far away in RAM, screen resolution, build quality etc.
Take a chance on it and hold it in your hand, turn it on and play a little with the keyboard, feel the metal chassis... you'll fall in love
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Yeah... But no TV-out
Recently i've been noticing a huge fuss about the HTC Diamond 2.. I mean have you people seen the Specs? Why would anyone buy this phone over the Touch HD?
The HD features says it all!! :
- HD has a bigger screen
- 3.5mm headphone jack
- more battery life (1350mAh)
- Slimmer
- Already has Diamond 2's interface updates.
Diamond 2:
- Zooming Bar? The phone would be smaller without it, or maybe increase the screen size instead.. This bar is useless!! Maybe great for Arkanoid (The Game)? ;-)
- Battery Cover isn't shaped like a diamond anymore, and there goes the name..
- No camera flash.. AGAIN!!
- No Headphone jack
- Battery is 1100mAh
- Should've came out in December or with the HD in November.
- Not a competitor with the head to head clash of phones this year.
The first Diamond was way ahead of all devices last year, It was phone of the year 2008!!.. :'(
Let me know what you guys think..
Thats true, and the reason why Im gonna keep my Omnia. But the Firestone and Thor seem to be the only phones with real updates. Cant wait till they come out.
About the specs, what is it with HTC ? Why does the video recording suck sooo much ? Hope they give recording at 720p on the Firestone or Thor (Omnia HD anyone ?). Otherwise I might have to go Symbian and I hate Symbian.
The price my freind... The price
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The price my freind... The price
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HD's Price is dropping down now..
These are the prices where I live:
Touch HD: € 589,-
Touch Diamond2: € 457,-
That's allmost 30% more.. for only a little more screen and a little bigger battery (what is indeed something I dont like much, but it's allready a better battery then the Diamond)
My choice is made i go for the Diamond2
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These are the prices where I live:
Touch HD: € 589,-
Touch Diamond2: € 457,-
That's allmost 30% more.. for only a little more screen and a little bigger battery (what is indeed something I dont like much, but it's allready a better battery then the Diamond)
My choice is made i go for the Diamond2
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The price tag for the diamond was € 280 before it was released.. it was then sold for € 420 - 460.
Before the HD was out it was priced € 480, and now like my friend FRD666 is saying its 589..
The point is its too early to know, and based by the price tags from previous HTC releases, Diamond 2's price will be more than what it is shown around.. And until it is out, how much would the HD be then?
Well if you're in the US like me, the HD will not work on AT&T's 3G network, which can be quite an inconvenience for people like me who are ALWAYS getting email, downloading huge files, watching online videos and just surfing the net. However, unless I am mistaken, the Diamond2 will be officially released in the US, which means AT&T's 3G network would be supported, which is a good thing. Although other than that, I understand what you're getting at.
Dave
Indeed, HTC just cased the HD in a new shiny box and started selling a new phone.
I hope to get my "diamond 2" in the next day or so...
But I can only see points in this thread that...well seem to miss the point!
OK...Battery:
Sure the HD has a bigger battery capacity but then again it has a bigger screen so the extra capacity in it is probably just to handle the screen requirements!
The backlight in a large LCD like that along with the extra touch sensors, display area, etc would warrant easily for that extra bit of battery life.
You put a 1100 in a HD and it won't last long - ok.... But a 1100 in a Diamond2 is probably letting it last just as long as the HD does with a 1350 as it uses less power!
We cannot tell until someone can test the Diamond2 in the SAME way as the HD...and I mean down the firmware, apps ...heck even the same touch points!
I can probably do this for you once I get my diamond2 as I do repairs on these units and will have access to the diamond2, HD and other units.
Onto point 2...Bigger screen.
For me...I want something portable...sure the iPhone and HD screen is lovely to look at....but for ME, the novelty wore off there. I put it in my pocket and I feel I need an extra belt just to hold my trousers up. The Diamond2 should be pocketable even in a shirt pocket as was the Diamond1... I can't do that with a HD.
For me... I want a phone that still feels like a phone and the diamond1 did it for me for almost a year (I've never kept a phone that long!)
The Diamond2 should still do this for me.
3.5mm jack... I've never needed this to be honest.
I have never found the need of using my HTC devices as a music device. At work, I have a headphone port in the laptop/desktop.
In the car, I have a 16GB USB stick with music plugged into the car.
At the gym, I would never take my phone out of its case in risk of it falling/loosing it and use a Sony MP3 player.
Slimmer: Not by much (if at all!) and is easily comparable for the height which then brings me back to the bigger screen...with the diamond2, I potentially should still be able to hold it nicely and snugly in my hand - like a phone... when I hold the HD, I don't feel comfortable with it - not over a long period of time and my calls can run into the hours!
Zoom bar - don't dis it until you use it... It might be a waste of space - to be honest, I think it looks ugly but it might prove to be very useful. I liked the zoom on the Diamond1 by turning your finger on the circle but found it to be eratic when it was loading pages...maybe this is the solution - who knows.
Battery Cover: You can't live with it, you can't live without it - it seems! There were hundreds of critics complaining about the back cover on the Diamond1 on how bad it was, couldnt lay it flat, g-sensor would not be correct etc etc etc and now you're complaining ? :- )
In all fairness to HTC... the code name is Topaz, I think the media just decided to call it the Diamond2 as it is closer to the Diamond2 in size etc
My only annoyance potentially is with the iPhone which is releasing its new OS etc... could this suddenly bring the Diamond2 even on a 6.5 firmware back in the dark ages?
These are my personal opinions but I feel the arguement between the two units is not that valid and is more like comparing a Lambo with a Aston Martin DB9 rather than a Ferrari with a Lambo
All 3 are sport cars but the DB9 and Lambo are very different cars
I like the advantages the diamond 2 has for the US users, at least that's a change..
I appreciate your opinion akash_84, I'm used to small slim phones, and my last one was the first Diamond.. But now having the HD around, i realized its a new experience.. Suddenly i like using internet surfing allot, writing notes, ms Office, watching movies and playing games.. Diamond 2's screen will be very good too, and the battery capacity is for the screen functionality like you say, it makes sense to me now..
First i thought of the HD as a big phone which would bother me having it in my pocket like you say.. But i was amazed of how comfortable it is.. To me i didn't notice any difference when i check if my phone is in my pocket or not between the diamond and the HD, I remember feeling the diamond shape edges battery cover in my pocket to check if it's there..
Even though they changed the battery cover shape, it's named Topaz as some kind of diamond shaped rock, so why make it normal now?.. I liked the touch pro cover, material was great..
Can Diamond 2 compete this year like the first did last year? HTC will release much better phones later..
This year will be the only year that i buy an HTC device by the end of the year..
Good point actually... Topaz is actually another type of stone which only just struck me!
However, looking at the pictures, the flat surfaces followed by curved edges almost imitates the "diamond2"
well tomorrow is the release date for it so lets see what happens!
akash_84 said:
Good point actually... Topaz is actually another type of stone which only just struck me!
However, looking at the pictures, the flat surfaces followed by curved edges almost imitates the "diamond2"
well tomorrow is the release date for it so lets see what happens!
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I hope its cheap.. It'll change allot of my doubts and other HTC users..
apparently you've got the HD, because i have the Diamond 2 and i love it!
Its much better then the HD ( wich is to big!!! ) Smartphones are supposed to be smaller.
Video recording is much better with the Diamond 2 in comparison with the Diamond
Who? I have a Diamond2 ... first one to get it on here I think...or maybe second because I missed the morning delivery
Loving the diamond apart from a badly applied screen protector so just waiting for my Brando one
TheTroubleMaker said:
apparently you've got the HD, because i have the Diamond 2 and i love it!
Its much better then the HD ( wich is to big!!! ) Smartphones are supposed to be smaller.
Video recording is much better with the Diamond 2 in comparison with the Diamond
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Could you upload a video sample ? Sounds too good to be true.
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Could you upload a video sample ? Sounds too good to be true.
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i will do it tonight.. the video resolution is 640 x 480 according to HTC
If you want an example video, Pocketnow.com (my favorite WM news site with videos, news, reviews, etc.) posted this example video online.
Just download it, and if you get a security warning like I did, it's nothing. The site is extremely trustworthy, and I scanned it a bunch and it came back clean, and played fine. The full Diamond review is here, and apparently he likes is a lot.
It also seems to get better benchmarks in performance than the Touch HD. You can also check out the Pocketnow youtube channel, which now has a couple of Diamond2 videos. I'm holding out for the Pro2, but this device is really nice looking.
Dave
Finally VGA (640x480) video ! Tough other manufactures are going for D1 (720x480) and 720p (1280x720), but still nice improvment.
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- HD has a bigger screen
- more battery life (1350mAh)
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- Battery is 1100mAh
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The screen takes up a huge fraction of the power, so I wouldn't be surprised to see that the Diamond has better battery life even with a smaller capacity battery because it also has a smaller screen.
I'm using the Diamond 2 ROM on the touch HD, The camera too (No VGA capture though)..
Guys, I just need to know:
- How many free ram and rom are use and free in the memory on the diamond 2?
- And regarding the benchmarks, has anyone played Divx (.avi) files yet?
I use Coreplayer 1.3 and it plays Divx smoothly on the Touch HD..
- How loud is the speaker phone on real ringtones?
- Is it easy and finger-accurate when using the Full QWERTY Keyboard?
Well it turns out i was wrong and this was the first that an HTC phone came out cheaper than expected... ;-)
Please share any interesting experience you find so far with the device..
Thank you all..
Regards....
Hi I have noticed that you can get a tg01 in uk for £150 on orange payg which seems really cheap and was wondering what people thought about it?
So from what I have seen tg01 has better processor and bigger screen but the phone is too big for many people as the screen is big plus it has a thick edge as well.
I supose what I would like to know is can the tg01 do any of the following?
can a new rom be loaded?
can touch flow or xperia panels be put on it?
is the touch screen good quality? is it sensitive enough?
is the battery life any good?
is the gps good?
can android be put on it?
anything else i need to know?
on another not I'm always looking for the coolest devices are there any known coming out which are better than hd2? I like the idea of milestone 2 if its real, has htc got anything coming?
custom rom = not as yet
xperia2 panels = yes
i find touchscreen very responsive best with stylus but finger touch good too
battery life depends on what you are doing mine lasts 2 days for very light use, usual use i would say needs a charge every day and if like me use fpsece alot then you will hate the battery but its comparable to most similar devices and you can always get a bigger mugen battery.
havent used gps
no android as of yet
sound quality in calls is extreemly rubbish and rintone ect very quite and srswow dont work properly, no tv out, stupid headphone connector had to buy bluetooth headphones. camera is worse then iphone
its worth £150 but depending on your budget i would go for a hd2 wish i had been more patient. as for anything new as always there will be new phones later in the year and some good ones when windows mobile 7 comes out.
dont let me put you off as i do like my tg01 and it has potential if it gets cracked for cooked roms and the expected update improves sound quality
Hi thanks for that,
I think it's prob best i just be patient and stick with my hd for now. I very much like the idea of a bigger screen and faster processor but I have become accustomed to constant rom upgrades which I might miss on the tg01.
Still at £150 just seems such a good deal. Can it be unlocked easily?
Also I think i remember seeing tf3d as a pannel for the x1 if i did get the tg01 and put x2 panels on it can tf3d be a panel?
unlocking is the usual £10 code from ebay ect,
people are getting sense2.5 from hd2 working on tg01 which im goning to try later, EDIT yes to tf3d and there are a few tweaks that improve it alot like better keyboards ect.
anyway for £150 with no contract ect i would be happy with it as its cheap enough to get a better phone when winmmo 7 comes out at the end of the year.