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Hello!
I'm about to receive my Diamond 2 (announced for next week in Switzerland, reserved and paid already), but I'm wondering which Nav software will be the best, fitting the screen and screen resolution. Any idea?
Hey! I live in Switzerland too and I'm waiting for my device also.
For me the best NAV Software is iGO... and I hope it's going to go well with Diamond2's resolution.
There's a thread in Blackstone section (another WVGA device) without about 50 pages or so about nav' programs. Just go over there, there's a lot of info you could use.
EDIT: Here's the thread about TomTom, there's a similar about iGO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432410&highlight=tomtom
@d3sm0nd: hehe... seems like we still have to wait 10 days iGo is a good product which I will first try.
@NoWorthWhile: Thank you for your message. I had (I just sold it) a HD and was running (had pain with that) iGo, following this famous 50 pages thread. Knowing that the screens have the same resolution but not the same size, I was wondering if this could apply to the Diamond2 as well.
Man... I can't wait to have mine!
Well basically, what i'm thinking is that software doesn't care about the size of the screen, but only about the resolution. IMHO you should have no problems
But not owning a TD2 (i'm on the first TD) I can't tell for sure.
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Well basically, what i'm thinking is that software doesn't care about the size of the screen, but only about the resolution. IMHO you should have no problems
But not owning a TD2 (i'm on the first TD) I can't tell for sure.
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quick question sorry its kinda off topic but doesnt that mean the screen on the diamond is A LOT sharper than the touch hd?
sharper, yes....a lot? well, u go from 3.8 to 3.2 inches with the same number of pixels, so each pixel is 15% smaller in size, and 30% smaller in area....
To say that this is a lot, or a little, is entirely up to you ;-)
imho, the pixel density of diamond or diamond 2 is very high, borderline of being overkill, especially if you are not myopic (furtunately, I am, but for older people with hypermetropy problem, such a high resolution on a screen this size is a waste imho, while it is not on the HD).
I am glad that highend WinMo device seems to go to WVGA resolution as standard, it is I think the best for a screen around 3.5'' inches (no need to go higher, it is already too high for video but nice for static images). Increasing the number of color and constrast would I think be the next logical step...
For info, going from HVGA to VGA means a decrease of 25% in size, 45% in area....so the difference increase of sharpness between HD and diamond 2 is less than what you would have if the iPhone went from barely ok (HVGA) resolution to good resolution (VGA) ;-)
The PPI density of the Diamond2 works out at around 292 (SQRT((800^2)+(480^2))/3.2). This is less than the highest resolution the average human eye can resolve unaided, which is around 300 PPI, but its not far off it. So what that means is that someone with average eyesight will actually notice an increase in sharpness looking at the same image on a Diamond2 screen as that on a Touch HD screen.
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The PPI density of the Diamond2 works out at around 292 (SQRT((800^2)+(480^2))/3.2). This is less than the highest resolution the average human eye can resolve unaided, which is around 300 PPI, but its not far off it. So what that means is that someone with average eyesight will actually notice an increase in sharpness looking at the same image on a Diamond2 screen as that on a Touch HD screen.
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When you speak about human eye resolution, you should always put it in PPI at a certain distance, or an angle of resolution, PPI alone are not usefull: I am sure anybody wth a more or less functional eye can pick the difference between HD and TD2 from 6 inches (15cm) away , if they can focus at that distance...from 20 inches (50 cm) away, it will take a good eye...from 3 feet (1m), my guess is that it is not humanly possible (or maybe some fighter pilots, or people with a very succesfull high order refractive lazik surgery? ;-) ).
I routinely watch my pda screen from 25-30 cm away (10-12 inches), so TD2 resolution will not be lost, at least on static images. For video, human eye resolution is lower, so there I think TD2 screen may be overkill, or I would need to watch the screen closer and hope for no headache ;-)
I own an official version of TTN6 that I bought for my Touch Cruise. It won't install properly on the Diamond2. I did manage to get it running once but the display was all messed up.
I found a version 7 file on the internet somewhere that works great and the display looks truly fantastic. However, my maps from the version 6 package are not found for some reason.
I went to tomtom.com to buy some new maps via tomtomhome but when it asks to link the D2 to my online account it says I have an invalid version of tomtom so I can't do anything with it.
nav program
can report iGO is working.
need to edit sys text a bit then it is ok
add this
[rawdisplay]
autoconfig=1
try amazegps.com for a free solution. It does not download the maps to your phone though so as you drive it refreshes the maps. It does do spoken turn by turn directions and for free it's hard to beat. It works on the HD so it should work for the Topaz.
wilcovh said:
can report iGO is working.
need to edit sys text a bit then it is ok
add this
[rawdisplay]
autoconfig=1
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Good to hear this, does it look nice on Topaz's resolution?
think it looks good.
at first it was a bit weird because as soon as you switch the screen orientation the bottom bit of the screen was not used and could not get it back to be used in iGO. but when you add the line to the sys.txt it is fine
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Just a random thought I had. I own a Fuze and I love the 480 x 640 resolution of the screen. If someone gave me a phone with anything less than a VGA resolution I think I would go crazy. I saw my old Mogul laying around and decided to turn it on to compare both screens. What a difference! So, do you think you (VGA owners) could ever go back to QVGA?
i did, sold my touch pro and used my vogue. it was a hella big difference at first but when you get used to it, you will barely notice the difference
the biggest place where i miss my vga screen is when im web browsing
mike21pr said:
i did, sold my touch pro and used my vogue. it was a hella big difference at first but when you get used to it, you will barely notice the difference
the biggest place where i miss my vga screen is when im web browsing
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That sucks that you had to sell your TP. I can see how one would get used to the screen resolution again though, but for me it would be really hard.
I voted no, however I would have to agree with mike. For purely phone related tasks VGA is not necessary, however once you use the more "advanced" functionalities like web browsing, third party apps, VGA becomes quickly the minimum resolution, especially for web browsing.
VGA works great for me with my 3.5" 640 x 480 pixels, Just in 2008 devices started to make this screens and my Universal is from 2005!!
QVGA I really don´t like it
WVGA never used...
Awesome, that's sweet! palmares assurance vie
VirgilIantu said:
Awesome, that's sweet!
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Welcome to the forum
May I know what is sweet?
It's def a big factor in choosing a phone, but sometime a qVGA phone is better. Like Omnia vs Diamond. Either way, I prefer my Storm's screen
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It's def a big factor in choosing a phone, but sometime a qVGA phone is better. Like Omnia vs Diamond. Either way, I prefer my Storm's screen
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I had no idea the Omnia was only QVGA. I figured it was such a well-rounded device and expected the VGA screen, but I guess not.
The Storm does have a beautiful screen though. I'll give you that. I'm really starting to regret getting rid of the Storm...
I can't have less than my Fuze's VGA screen. WVGA or higher is next for me!
BTW, what is the name for screens with res 360 x 640, like the Omnia HD and Idou. I googled it but no go . . . it may be "qHD" though?
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BTW, what is the name for screens with res 360 x 640, like the Omnia HD and Idou. I googled it but no go . . . it may be "qHD" though?
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qHD sounds good, but I doubt that's the name for it. Actually (and I could be completely wrong) I think 360 x 640 is still considered VGA. I think that maybe once it gets to a certain amount of pixels it would change up to the next level. I don't think I know what I'm talking about.
I had my HD, and i thought that all WM devices look like this until my brother got an Omnia, and i thought something was wrong with the device. Thats until i found the difference was WQVGA and WVGA.
BIG difference in quality, so no it will be hard to go from VGA to QVGA, but you will get used to it.
I've got the Blackstone, and briefly had the Omnia in my hand.
Returning to QVGA is pretty much impossible after you've got used to >= VGA.
However, the difference is not the screen real estate, but the DPI. Once you get used to a higher definition screen, it's horrible to go back to the ill defined QVGA screens. However, a small VGA screen still looks great, but a physically large QVGA screen looks even more hideous! (I recently had reason to pull out my IPAQ, the original ancestor to modern Windows Mobile devices, and was surprised to see that the screen was bigger than the Blackstone, but no where as well defined).
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MY Diamond screen cracked and my insurance company said they could not replace it, so offered me a £350 cheque. as I was due an upgrade in 3 months (1 month to go) I took their cash and banked it decideding to go back to my old artemis for a few months.
Whilst VGA is sooo much better, you can survive with QVGA. However I am happy with it because I know it is temporary till mid june (ish) when I get a TD2
Rumor is around that HTC are prepping for an upgrade to HD2 with WinMo 7 .. http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12268
I like amoled screen after seeing the Nexus One vs the HD2's but I would prefer it being the size of the HD2's. The screen on a phone that size is a gigantic plus of the HD2. I also like the 4gb internal memory and micro sd card feature.
Good looking phone. My hope is the HD2 can be upgraded to WM7 so I can have a honest choice when my wallet catches up to my desires.
The phone mentioned in that story is reported to have a 3.7" screen.
Since the HD2's biggest statement is its screen size, I would not call anything an upgraded HD2 if it has anything less than a 4.3" screen.
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I like amoled screen after seeing the Nexus One vs the HD2's but I would prefer it being the size of the HD2's. The screen on a phone that size is a gigantic plus of the HD2. I also like the 4gb internal memory and micro sd card feature.
Good looking phone. My hope is the HD2 can be upgraded to WM7 so I can have a honest choice when my wallet catches up to my desires.
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if Nexus one that size I would get it in a heartbeat!
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Since the HD2's biggest statement is is its screen size, I would not call anything an upgraded HD2 if it has anything less than a 4.3" screen.
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+1
Anything less than 4.3 would be a downgrade!
I think a 3.7" display would be fine..I love my HD2, but if it was a touch smaller, I wouldn't grumble either!!
Yeah, not just because screen it´s not bigger you can´t call it an upgrade.
Personally I prefer a screen of 3.7"
They're releasing an HTC HD2 with a smaler screen but AMOLED and better drivers.
Wow.
Amazing like a broken PC... lol.
IMHO this isn't a better device only because it has got 512MB RAM.. the HTC HD2's 4.3" screen is simply the better thing never seen. If only it would be AMOLED.........
Anyway, I think that I'll stay with my HTC HD2 for more than a year if they're releasing devices like this as a successor.
The only good thing to have is WM7 on the HD2.
kholk said:
IMHO this isn't a better device only because it has got 512MB RAM.. the HTC HD2's 4.3" screen is simply the better thing never seen. If only it would be AMOLED.........
Anyway, I think that I'll stay with my HTC HD2 for more than a year if they're releasing devices like this as a successor.
The only good thing to have is WM7 on the HD2.
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I read somewhere that the screen of HD2 is capable of displaying 16 million colors but is limited to 65K because of WM 6.5. If this is true, we should be able to get 'near Amoled' experience with HD2 running WinMo 7.
dnwizard said:
I read somewhere that the screen of HD2 is capable of displaying 16 million colors but is limited to 65K because of WM 6.5. If this is true, we should be able to get 'near Amoled' experience with HD2 running WinMo 7.
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Hardly. You won't even get close to OLED black levels on the HD2 screen, nor will you get the kind of smoothness of motion and lack of blur/judder that an OLED display gives you, nor will you get the major battery-life-extending benefits of OLED.
Even if the HD2's display is theoretically capable of >65k colours, it quite possibly still can't do 24-bit colour - most phone LCD displays are only 18-bit.
On the other hand, thus far most OLED screens seem to deliberately over-saturate the colours. My HD2's white point is a bit pushed to blue, but otherwise the colours are quite accurate. OLED sunlight readability is also often poor (although it has to be said the HD2's is pretty bad because the screen is so glossy).
Heh, well, the AMOLED display saturation is somehow superior in some images and it's not good while exposet at sunlight, but the battery life of an AMOLED screen device is really, REALLY SUPERIOR, because AMOLED simply powers down the pixel if it is pure black and it consumes less power because it plays on the voltage/amperage of an AMOLED pixel for "colouring" it.
Anyway, I'm just happy with my HTC HD2 and with his pretty BIG screen.... we can only wait and see if WM7 will use 24bit colors with the HD2's screen!
...I think the battery (1230 mAh) is not enough for this specs.
the obsession is just another device from htc coming after hd2 doesnot mean it is an upgrade to hd2 if it was we would consider td2 as an upgrade to blackstone
and upgrade means huge different in specifications (like between hd1 and hd2 so the 64 mb more ram is not a really upgrade as they have the same processor running at 1gz )
cause its size i think its more diamond3 than hd3... looks like my next phone
this would be my next phone too....but..who knows when we will ever see it....at best it's still 9 months away!!!
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cause its size i think its more diamond3 than hd3... Looks like my next phone
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you are right it seems to be upgrade for diamond 2
Whatever devices come out next, I`m hoping they will have a TV out (or even HDMI).
It would be great, to have a mobile film player wherever we go ( for the kids of course), but also would not have to remote desktop using a tiny screen.
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you are right it seems to be upgrade for diamond 2
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It's being released awfully late if it's an upgrade to the TD2; the TD2 launched last April, but the Obsession isn't out till October - HTC doesn't usually leave that long between refreshes. And from a 3.2" screen to 3.7" is quite a jump, especially bearing in mind that the TD2 was positioned specifically as a smaller and lighter equivalent of the Touch HD and TP2.
Still, I agree that the consensus does seem to be that it's a Diamond 2 replacement (possibly originally intended to ship earlier but delayed by the late arrival of WM7).
Any news up on this? Waiting for snapdragon WM6.5 phone with no giant screen to replace my Diamond1.
looking at the thread i was just wondering is there anyone who loves small and sharp displays
hi everyone
I need to ask something that i was unable to find answer on internet or Google searching. I come straight to the point. It's basically a general thing about devices that i found different in aspect of screen resolution and i couldn't find difference.
There is one Android device which gives resolution of 540*960 on a 5inch LCD and there is an Android phone which gives 1080*1920 resolution on 5.1 inch LCD like S5 AND 1440*2560 resolution on 5.1 inch LCD.
I want to ask what is the difference that these resolution gives, i am currently using 540*960 resolution phone and what difference i would note by using 1080*1920 resolution? will thing appear small on it?
For example on a home screen, i have a gadget of weather, will it appear more smaller? because i didn't get the difference of resolution and their result difference.
awaisagha said:
hi everyone
I need to ask something that i was unable to find answer on internet or Google searching. I come straight to the point. It's basically a general thing about devices that i found different in aspect of screen resolution and i couldn't find difference.
There is one Android device which gives resolution of 540*960 on a 5inch LCD and there is an Android phone which gives 1080*1920 resolution on 5.1 inch LCD like S5 AND 1440*2560 resolution on 5.1 inch LCD.
I want to ask what is the difference that these resolution gives, i am currently using 540*960 resolution phone and what difference i would note by using 1080*1920 resolution? will thing appear small on it?
For example on a home screen, i have a gadget of weather, will it appear more smaller? because i didn't get the difference of resolution and their result difference.
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firstly i can guess by the post that you are a noob but would like to help you change to pro so here it goes
the difference are
420*320 and below ldpi-small- 2-3inches - packed with 100 to 150 ppi screen
470*320and below IS mdpi - normal- 3 to 4.2 inches - packed with upto 200ppi
640*480and up IS hdpi- large-4.2 to 7 inches - packed with 200 to 300ppi
920x720and up IS qhdpi- extra large- more than 7 inches - packed with >300ppi
if that's unclear to you
try searching up screen support on google or api guidelines
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rohitarora27 said:
firstly i can guess by the post that you are a noob but would like to help you change to pro so here it goes
the difference are
420*320 and below ldpi-small- 2-3inches - packed with 100 to 150 ppi screen
470*320and below IS mdpi - normal- 3 to 4.2 inches - packed with upto 200ppi
640*480and up IS hdpi- large-4.2 to 7 inches - packed with 200 to 300ppi
920x720and up IS qhdpi- extra large- more than 7 inches - packed with >300ppi
if that's unclear to you
try searching up screen support on google or api guidelines
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i am sorry if i sounded noob but i was unaware of these things. I was just wondering what's the difference of resolutions when the screen size is same.
From your post what i got was, that it is basically the PPI thing, which makes screen more bright and colorful etc. so more PPI is based on more resolution or pixels.
I am currently using Huawei G610s and it has 640*480 with 220ppi. I thought that resolution is same as in case of computers, the more resolution the more smaller the pixel and picture size and more desktop area. I am currently using 1680*1050. So i thought in same context and was wondering and thought to ask.
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i am sorry if i sounded noob but i was unaware of these things. I was just wondering what's the difference of resolutions when the screen size is same.
From your post what i got was, that it is basically the PPI thing, which makes screen more bright and colorful etc. so more PPI is based on more resolution or pixels.
I am currently using Huawei G610s and it has 640*480 with 220ppi. I thought that resolution is same as in case of computers, the more resolution the more smaller the pixel and picture size and more desktop area. I am currently using 1680*1050. So i thought in same context and was wondering and thought to ask.
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firstly ppi refers to the pixels per inch
it in simple words is how tightly pixels are packed in a sq inch of area on the screen . the more the ppi count the smaller each pixel gets providing you with sharper and intense quality display
also if you did not search api guidelines on google
i am here to help you
here go ahead and just go through the detailed version and i think it will solve almost all of your query
http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html
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Now. Don't get concerned on how you sound. We were all like that at some point. The resolution that you have probably is around 200 DPI (depending on screen size) My phone (Xperia SP) has a 4.6 inch 1024 x 720 display AKA 720p display. In person, how they look actually matters. Anything above 300ppi is crisp and extremely sharp. A Samsung galaxy s5 has a PPI of around 400. These numbers don't really matter but if you see them in person, they really look nice. Hope I helped you.
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Hi all!
I've had many android phones but this is my first tablet. I'm trying to find a good background using the standard wallpaper apps on play store but they all look like crap on this giant screen! Any advice? Do I need to use an app specifically for tablets or do I need to somehow modify the wallapaper?
Also just out of curiosity can someone please explain to me why this is? If my tablet as similar ppi why does a wallapaper made for a phone look so bad on a larger screen? I'm know there's an obvious answer but I'm not that savey with hardware and am trying to wrap my head around it
Thanks!
ebertshay said:
Hi all!
I've had many android phones but this is my first tablet. I'm trying to find a good background using the standard wallpaper apps on play store but they all look like crap on this giant screen! Any advice? Do I need to use an app specifically for tablets or do I need to somehow modify the wallapaper?
Also just out of curiosity can someone please explain to me why this is? If my tablet as similar ppi why does a wallapaper made for a phone look so bad on a larger screen? I'm know there's an obvious answer but I'm not that savey with hardware and am trying to wrap my head around it
Thanks!
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Main reason is resolution only thing close to this resolution wise is the LG g3 at 2560x1440.
Some nice wallpapers here. 2560 x 1600, 2880 X 1800 and UHD 4K at a crisp 3840 X 2160 resolution.
http://www.hdwallpapers.in/
Here are some wallpapers at an amazing UHD 8K of 7680 X 4320. Hope you can find a suitable image.
http://www.wallpapersultrahd.com/
ppi density (pixels per inch) is not the same as the actual image dimensions. You need at least 2560x1600. Higher is better.
As for good wallpapers, moving ones are much more fun. Personally I'm using this one: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dualboot.apps.forest