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OK - So does this work on Next G

Alright, I know this has probably been covered some where, and I know that this is a "world wide site", and I know this is all going to sound stupid given the answer is in my own post, but a question:
I am really liking the look of this phone, and I want to get one (when ever it comes out), but in Australia, our largest HSDPA network is Telstra NextG, which is 850 band. Looking at the specifications for the machine (this site had everything well laid out):
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_pro-2413.php
It states the European/Asian version will be HSDPA 900/2100. So I am going to guess that I can not use it on the Next G network with this version of the phone. Correct?
Also, the site states that the Americas (US) version is 850/1900.
So, I assume I have to get a phone from the US to use it on Telstra's Next G. Is this correct, or is there some other quirk that I do not know (like some CDMA difference or something)?
Thank you for homouring me

Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.

Cheers and Beers
Black93300ZX said:
Correct, the NextG network will not work on this phone at present. Also correct, it will work on the US version. Here's the nice part though...
One of our members was nice enough to leak a version of the new AT&T ROM for the upcoming Raphael in the US, and since the hardware is all the same, HOPEFULLY flashing with that ROM will enable the 850mhz HSDPA band you and I both need. I'll be testing this on a Raphael when it releases in Europe, and I'll have a post up very quickly in this section letting people know how it went. If it works, you can buy any version and flash it (only takes 5 mins) for it to work in AUS.
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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The above sounds good. I really do not want to go down the road of a Telstra locked phone (not that Telstra will release this one). I await your tests with anticipation.
Cheers and beers

Yeah, well, I figure if it doesn't work (hoping it doesn't brick it) I'll just resell it for like $25 less and it's not much of a loss for trying.

I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.

TheBundo said:
I don't know much about Australian telephone networks, but I've always wanted to go there and see what it feels like to be upside down all the time.
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Haha, seems like one of the nicest vacation spots in the world. Can't wait to go there someday.

Here is a photo of the Australian system:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffwerner/278050267/

The Australian networks arent too bad. We have a choice of frequencies here. Telstra have the 850mhz 3G band and Optus and Vodafone are each expanding their exisiting 2100 3G network using 900mhz which will be launched over the next few months. The good thing about Raphael is that it will work on the 2100 and 900 3G bands and given that Telstra's voice and data plans are ridiculous many of those who want to use data on it wont care about the absence of 850...this is good news. However if the device can be flashed to work for everyone...even better.
As for the photo of the Australian networks that was a network similar to what I built in Sydney in the early 80's. A large carrier paid me a small fortune to decommision it as it was making them look bad!!

I'm also in Australia and plan to get this phone from one of the UK stores as I can't wait for 3 odd months for it to be released here. Now I'm sure there might be a few aussies here who have ordered from online stores outside Aus. What I wanna know is if I might have to pay any import duty on my purchase? If I buy from expansys uk, the unit will cost me roughly AU$920, but with bank fees and shipping charges, I would have paid $1010. I know that import duties are applicable if the cost of the unit is $1000. So does this count for me as well?
I just want to avoid paying more that I should.

However, I need Next G
Thanks all for your input on this. I was pretty sure that the phone would not work on the NExt G nextwork if I bought one (from say an internet dealer in Sydney or Melbourne), but as you can see from my "location", I need Next G. There is not 3G nextwork in the Top End except Telstra Next G (Or at least none that cover all of Darwin and its area adequately. Anyway I don't knock Telstra too much).
Further to that, I work away a lot and once again, Next G is OK (note I only said OK) for outside of major cities, and Telstra GSM is good for most rural townships also.
Anyway, I suppose my upgrade will be to a TyTN II to replace my old phone, at least it has the 850 band that I need for Next G.
Cheers and beers

Black93300ZX said:
Edit: Don't listen to GSMArena, HTC lists this phone as quad-band although they say it's tri-band.
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Not entirely true...see this post

merten3000 said:
Not entirely true...see this post
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The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.

Black93300ZX said:
The Diamonds were listed as Tri-Band too, but now every Diamond is quad-band since they came out with the newer ROM. Same with the Touch Pro, some ROMs (apparently that nation's) don't support quad-band, but in time (or with a quick reflash) they will.
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Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!

merten3000 said:
Thnx finally some clarification...
But still strange that our countries HTC would not enable that bandwith. They state it's a business phone. But business often means travelling arround the globe. Quadband would then be preffered above tri-band....
But black you know for sure the bandwith can be activated by just software? Some people say you need a different antenna. (I'm a noob in that area...).
Thnx anyway!
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The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.

Black93300ZX said:
The GSM antennas are all in every Diamond, the problem is with the UMTS radio. To keep the Diamonds so small, HTC had to remove the American UMTS radio, making it so you can't use a European Diamond to get 3G in the US ever. Likewise, the American Diamond will only have the US bands of 3G (850 and 1900). As for the GSM bands, though, EVERY Diamond has the capability to be quad-band, so you'll at least get EDGE wherever you go. Hope this clears things up.
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Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!

merten3000 said:
Thanks you really are the first one who makes sense!
Thanks again!
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Just wondering if anyone had n update as to the effect of the new radio rom in the touch pro. I understand the US issue was different with a release of GSM only touch pros (Booo Hissss) but would realy like to confirm if we are able to reflash to expand on the UMTS frequencies here in Aus making the touch pro UMTS tri or quad band.
Thanks for all the info in this post too.

I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.

its_tricky83 said:
I'm wondering if someone has worked out how to get the extra band to work in Australia as well. I am on Next G and my brand new phone simply sucks right now and I'm hoping I don't have to go over to a different carrier when my contract is up. I kinda like Telstra Next G, dare I say it.
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As far as I know it works fine with an ATT Fuze with a regular touch pro you'll never get NextG on the 850 band, it's a hardware limitation.

Gsm or not?

I want to buy this phone on ebay but I have a couple of questions.
I live in CHile so I need the quadband gsm vercion.
1) Can anyone tell me what carries use this? just to make shure, I cant exacly take the sellers word. For example I say a nextel for 300 bucks (about). The seller clames it works world wide.
2) Is the unlock software available already?
Sorry found it!
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone? I have seen some that look very diffrent, are they exacly the same just different color. What really looks different is the keyboard.
Thanks

fernandosaez said:
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone?
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They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.

rmcknight said:
They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.
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Just to clear something up,
FUZE = GSM this version of the phone released by ATT on their US GSM network (only North American 3g version)
RAPHAEL = TOUCH PRO (both GSM and CDMA)
You will want to find out what frequencies your carrier uses for GSM and 3G (they will tell you, or look it up) and get the Raphael that suits your needs
Currently in the GSM iteration there is the FUZE, which works with North American 3G and the Touch Pro which will work with Euro/Asian 3G.
If you post your ebay link (or PM me or somebody) we can tell you for sure

thanks...much clearer! Searching..searching

UMTS/HSDPA radio bands

Hi guys, I don't know if this is a basic question but I have to ask it since I haven't find an answer yet...
Can I modify the HSDPA/UMTS band via ROM or SPL update?
I bougth a HTC T-mobile myTouch (1700/2100 MHz bands, UMTS/HSDPA) but later I realized that here in CHILE my provider uses the 850/1900 band for 3g .
If I root my phone and try a different SPL and ROM, is it possible to change bands?
So, can I do somethig to make it work here or is it a matter of hardware?
Thanks

it would require hardware change....

You could sell the MyTouch and buy a Rogers Magic or Dream. They use the same 3G frequency as your networks in Chile. 850/1900

I'm from Chile too, I have the same "problem" But actually I don't care to much because next year 2 Nextel and VTR will offer mobile services... And they are gonna be based on the 1700/2100 bands...

:No-Frost: said:
I'm from Chile too, I have the same "problem" But actually I don't care to much because next year 2 Nextel and VTR will offer mobile services... And they are gonna be based on the 1700/2100 bands...
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Hi no-frost, I know that next year that will happen, but nobody really knows when... By the way, I saw your other posts, I wanted to tell you that I rooted an entel magic phone without loosing 3g or wifi...(via gold card) after a lor of trying an error I finally cach up with a mixture of ROM and SPL that worked

Which version TP2 can I buy?

I'm planning to buy an TP2 from ebay but I couldn't decide which version(s) are compatible with my country's cellular networks. I use Vodafone in Turkey and Vodafone uses GSM 900 and UMTS 2100 bands. I read the forum a lot but I got very confused.
I'll use both UMTS and GSM networks because the UMTS covarage is limited in Turkey so far. I'm looking for Sprint or AT&T versions but I didn't understand if need to unlock these devices or not. In a thread I read that Sprint is unlocked for GSM networks but the same thread didn't mention anything about UMTS band. Please make suggestions to me.
I hope that I could explain my concerns clearly.

tasmania said:
I'm planning to buy an TP2 from ebay but I couldn't decide which version(s) are compatible with my country's cellular networks. I use Vodafone in Turkey and Vodafone uses GSM 900 and UMTS 2100 bands. I read the forum a lot but I got very confused.
I'll use both UMTS and GSM networks because the UMTS covarage is limited in Turkey so far. I'm looking for Sprint or AT&T versions but I didn't understand if need to unlock these devices or not. In a thread I read that Sprint is unlocked for GSM networks but the same thread didn't mention anything about UMTS band. Please make suggestions to me.
I hope that I could explain my concerns clearly.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566043
That should have the information about which phone you need. You can always unlock the phones, so make sure it has the correct GSM/CDMA networks and you should be fine.
*edit*
I should have mentioned this before. Sometimes carriers are really picky about which phones they will activate, make sure that Vodafone will activate the model TP2 that you get.

tasmania said:
I'm planning to buy an TP2 from ebay but I couldn't decide which version(s) are compatible with my country's cellular networks. I use Vodafone in Turkey and Vodafone uses GSM 900 and UMTS 2100 bands. I read the forum a lot but I got very confused.
I'll use both UMTS and GSM networks because the UMTS covarage is limited in Turkey so far. I'm looking for Sprint or AT&T versions but I didn't understand if need to unlock these devices or not. In a thread I read that Sprint is unlocked for GSM networks but the same thread didn't mention anything about UMTS band. Please make suggestions to me.
I hope that I could explain my concerns clearly.
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The Sprint TP2 will work for you in its stock configuration.
It supports GSM 900, GSM 1800 and UMTS 2100 out of the box and it is NOT SIM locked. Basically all you'll have to do it pop in your SIM card and go.
Now, you will still have to register the IMEI with customs (assuming Turkey still has that stupid ass rule) so it doesn't get blocked from the network, but aside from that you're golden.
If you get the ATT version it will also work, however it will be SIM locked out of the box and you will have to unlock it to use it. The same is true of the Verizon TP2.

burtonsnow8 said:
That should have the information about which phone you need. You can always unlock the phones, so make sure it has the correct GSM/CDMA networks and you should be fine.
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I read that thread 3 times But the the explanations about GSM does not contain UMTS band so i need to ask. Thanks for your reply.

gamescan said:
The Sprint TP2 will work for you in its stock configuration.
It supports GSM 900, GSM 1800 and UMTS 2100 out of the box and it is NOT SIM locked. Basically all you'll have to do it pop in your SIM card and go.
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Thanks. This was the exact answer I expected to get.
On ebay i found a Sprint with bad ESN. In the descriptions it says that it can be used in any networks other than Sprint. Can I use a phone like this in Turkey with confidence?

tasmania said:
Thanks. This was the exact answer I expected to get.
On ebay i found a Sprint with bad ESN. In the descriptions it says that it can be used in any networks other than Sprint. Can I use a phone like this in Turkey with confidence?
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Yes. A Sprint Touch Pro 2 will work just fine with a Vodaphone SIM so long as your local network is one of the three frequencies that I listed.
You only need to replace the Radio ROM if you want to use it on US GSM frequencies.

gamescan said:
Yes. A Sprint Touch Pro 2 will work just fine with a Vodaphone SIM so long as your local network is one of the three frequencies that I listed.
You only need to replace the Radio ROM if you want to use it on US GSM frequencies.
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Thanks gamescan. Does a bad ESN phone be a problem for me?

tasmania said:
Thanks gamescan. Does a bad ESN phone be a problem for me?
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Bad ESN means that the phone has been banned from its home network.
This usually happens because:
1) There is an outstanding bill that was not paid
2) The phone was reported lost and claimed on insurance
3) The phone was stolen
If you are using it on another CDMA network or on a GSM network, the bad ESN will not impact you (aside from possibly in a karmic way).
If it does have a bad ESN you should get it pretty cheap.

gamescan said:
Bad ESN means that the phone has been banned from its home network.
This usually happens because:
1) There is an outstanding bill that was not paid
2) The phone was reported lost and claimed on insurance
3) The phone was stolen
If you are using it on another CDMA network or on a GSM network, the bad ESN will not impact you (aside from possibly in a karmic way).
If it does have a bad ESN you should get it pretty cheap.
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Thanks a lot for the valuable information you give gamescan.

[Q] Import Nexus S from USA to Europe (Austria)

Hi XDA Community!
I want to import a Nexus S from the States as soon as it is available there. As I am not totally sure if there can be problems using it in Austria, Europe, I would ask for your expertise.
I will buy the unbranded version without simlock from Best Buy.
Will GSM and UMTS work with the European frequencies?
Is the German language natively supported? I mean all the automatic word completing of the screen keyboard.
I do not care about the power plug, as I can recharge it using USB.
As for the HTC Hero there were two versions, one for Europe one for the States, I am afraid that I can run into problems with the Nexus S.
Thanks for your help,
Burt

burtner22 said:
Hi XDA Community!
I want to import a Nexus S from the States as soon as it is available there. As I am not totally sure if there can be problems using it in Austria, Europe, I would ask for your expertise.
I will buy the unbranded version without simlock from Best Buy.
Will GSM and UMTS work with the European frequencies?
Is the German language natively supported? I mean all the automatic word completing of the screen keyboard.
I do not care about the power plug, as I can recharge it using USB.
As for the HTC Hero there were two versions, one for Europe one for the States, I am afraid that I can run into problems with the Nexus S.
Thanks for your help,
Burt
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I would also like to know about the frequencies as I will be studying abroad in Salzburg next semester and hope to bring this with me. I would assume you could look at what frequencies your carrier operates at in Austria and compare those to what the NS supports, but someone more knowledgeable on this should probably chime in.
I know German is natively supported with dictionary and word completion (at least in 2.2), I use it all the time. I couldn't imagine them removing this in 2.3. In fact I think they added MORE language support, I think it's pretty unlikely they would remove functionality for a language like German.
As for the power plug, couldn't you just use an adapter?

Hello,
I thought Best Buy only ships to US & UK ?(Even not sure for UK) So how do you manage to get from Best Buy?
Thanks!

EleCtrOx666 said:
Hello,
I thought Best Buy only ships to US & UK ?(Even not sure for UK) So how do you manage to get from Best Buy?
Thanks!
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There are options for him, and anyone else outside of the States for that matter.
http://www.aramex.com/shopandship/default.aspx

@burtner22: I'm from Austria too and I think I will wait for the mobile until it's available in Germany, which will be in February (if the rumors are true).
best regards
mike

these are the supported bands:
# Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
# Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700
http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/tech-specs

"Best Buy does not ship to known freight forwarders, and orders to such will be canceled."
Best Buy, why don't you want my Euros???
I simply can't believe this, it's so dumb.

umbrella42 said:
"Best Buy does not ship to known freight forwarders, and orders to such will be canceled."
Best Buy, why don't you want my Euros???
I simply can't believe this, it's so dumb.
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I'll take your Euros
@Burtner22:
Do you know what frequencies you guys run in Austria?
EDIT: Found this:
Austria (GSM 900/1800/3G)
Source: http://www.cellular-blowout.com/gsmfrbyco.html
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neok44 said:
these are the supported bands:
# Quad-band GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900
# Tri-band HSPA: 900, 2100, 1700
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For GSM I am pretty sure there are no problems, we have 900 and 1800 MHz in Austria, depending on the operator.
With UMTS (HSPA) I am a bit suspicious. I "assume" that we use 2100 MHz here, but the network operators seem to make a secret of the frequency.
Burt

That's funny. I've never heard of carrier keeping freq. a secret...

EleCtrOx666 said:
Hello,
I thought Best Buy only ships to US & UK ?(Even not sure for UK) So how do you manage to get from Best Buy?
Thanks!
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A friend will is travelling to the USA.
Burt

I just called the operator (A1.net), not even the second level support could tell me the frequency of their UMTS network.
Strange?!

burtner22 said:
I just called the operator (A1.net), not even the second level support could tell me the frequency of their UMTS network.
Strange?!
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Very. Call them back and give them the answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks#Europe

shrivelfig said:
Very. Call them back and give them the answer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks#Europe
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Perfect, thank you very much.
So it seems that importing the Nexus S will be free of "bad surprises".
Best Regards,
Burt

I'm living in Germany and i will get mine at 20th of December. Can't sleep until this day

a friend will travel to usa for holiday maybe he is lucky and get an s if there is enough stock..

bananenlarry said:
I'm living in Germany and i will get mine at 20th of December. Can't sleep until this day
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Would be great if you could post your experiences using the phone in Germany. Also about the German spell checker and language support. In Austria it will exactly match I suppose.
I will sadly have to wait until the 10th of January.
Burt

bananenlarry said:
I'm living in Germany and i will get mine at 20th of December. Can't sleep until this day
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Ah, spontaneous New York shopping spree?

i think the language support wont be any problem. its android and no iOS as long as you have no asian version there will be german implemented. it will be my first pure android device. had an samsung i9000 before. samsung's android is a shame but now we will have samsung's high-end hardware with google's amazing android know how. this phone will be breathtaking

Nexus s sold in US will be without any logo from the us carriers?