Has anyone else noticed that their Fuze gets worse reception than previous phones? My Tilt NEVER had less than 3G at my house. The fuze is constantly in EDGE and many times drops to GPRS. I went to the ATT store and was told that the original ones had an old ROM and that they needed to replace my phone. They did that and I still have the problem. Not only that but when it switches between 3G/EDGE/GPRS I drop calls!!! This is very fustrating. For as much as I love the Fuze I must have good data speeds and got to stop the dropped calls.
Any one else have the same issue?
GABIGDAWG
gabigdawg said:
Has anyone else noticed that their Fuze gets worse reception than previous phones? My Tilt NEVER had less than 3G at my house. The fuze is constantly in EDGE and many times drops to GPRS. I went to the ATT store and was told that the original ones had an old ROM and that they needed to replace my phone. They did that and I still have the problem. Not only that but when it switches between 3G/EDGE/GPRS I drop calls!!! This is very fustrating. For as much as I love the Fuze I must have good data speeds and got to stop the dropped calls.
Any one else have the same issue?
GABIGDAWG
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Not sure if you plan on switching to diffferent ROM's/Radios, but there is a link in the ROM Dev thread with steps to get this changed. A different radio (the one that works in your area best) should help with the 3G signal and could improve clarity of your calls/GPS signal.
Redundant thread. Try different radios. There are many threads on ways to improve your reception. No need for this one. Thread closed.
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Has anyone else had issues with frequently dropped calls?
I have had this issue with 3 Cingular branded Treos so far.
It seems to get progressively worse over time where I will be forced to get a replacement device.
I have had the same problem with 3 different ROMs (default WM5, leaked AT&T WM6, and Vodaphone WM6).
I have had my SIM replaced multiple times as a possible fix. which doesn't work.
I have made sure that my SIM and IMEI number are correct in AT&T's system.
I don't understand why I am having this problem and no one else seems to be complaining about the same thing. Does anyone have any advice for things I can check?
I take it from the lack of response that I am one of the only people who is having this problem. I guess I am just having bad luck with the devices I am getting. I think I will give it a shot one more time with another new device. I am jumping off the Treo bandwagon if it happens again to a 4th Treo.
Occam's Razor would point to the service. It's possible you're just making calls in an area with poor reception.
I wonder if those dropped calls are happening from a 2G to 3G handoff or the opposite. Do you have 3G coverage in your area?
I did search and I was sure there'd be a thread on this, but I frankly couldn't figure out what to seach for and got no hits. My Tilt makes the mistake of showing an "E" for Edge instead of 3G sometimes. My data rates seem to indicate that this is not just an icon mistake but an actual problem with the radio (though I am still not sure about this). This is all the more strange because, where I live, the telcos skipped edge and deployed HSDPA directly so I have no idea where this phone is getting an edge signal from. I have my Tilt next to a N95 and the N95 is showing 3g and getting faster transfer rates.
So my question is, which of the roms (if any) will fix this? Thanks!
I've had similar problems on my Tilt with every rom I've tried so far. The download speeds vary wildly, and the icon constantly changes between E, 3G, and H. Sometimes it changes every couple of seconds, even when standing still, in a typically good connection area. My GPS connection has similar problems. It's constantly jumping between various satellites, and never seems to hang on to the same one for more than a second.
I really hope a radio upgrade fixes these problems!
Thanks for the reply! That is too bad . Guess I will be sitting tight for an update .
Did you guys call AT&T about this? If they don't know they won't bother trying to fix it...
My Tilt stays on 3G or E, which ever I choose, very solidly. It might be just your area is a little weak on signal, which is a fix done at the towers at your location. So, you'll need to let AT&T know.
I don't know if this is reLated. I do not have 3G in my area but only EDGE. However I find my TyTn II uploading and downloading data at only half the rates to what my HTC Touch can manage. While my TyTn gives me around 100kbs the Touch can manage 200+kbs. I have tested repeatedly by swapping SIMs between the two. Could this be a radio problem?? Can I bank my hopes on a future ROM upgrade??
same issue here. I had to reboot few times and hope for the best. I was in San Jose ( EMC / Yahoo Campus) and was getting EDGE but I rebotted the device few times and it finally picked up 3G.
Been using this rom for a few hours now: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341886, and is seems to have fixed my problem. You should give it a try.
BTW, I got a Tilt as a gift but I have never had AT&T service. I am still puzzled as to where the old ROM was finding an Edge signal, as my carrier confirmed they never implemented Edge, just straight from GPRS to HSDPA.
I changed from a Tilt to a Fuze. I now tried the Fuze on my wife's T-mobile. I noticed that the Fuze seems weaker. My working place is really bad for T-Mobile. With my tilt I get 2 bars and sometimes 1. With the Fuze, I get 1 and sometimes when I try and update the weather, I loose all connection. And sometimes I get dropped calls.
Now, I know the radio has much to do with this. But in general, has anybody noticed if the Fuze seems weaker than their old phone? I can't judge 3G/H because I never had it till now.
no absolutely not id say at worst the same if not better. It has all to do with the radio as well.
I figured as much. Maybe ATT optimized it for 3G network of theirs. I was hoping if anybody else on another network noticed a drop of signal quality with the stock rom/radio with tmobile.
I'm using the stock Fuze ROM, and I have worse reception on the bay area AT&T network. It's not a matter of bars on the display - it's that the calls are dropping in areas that never did with the Tilt.
My Tilt gets better reception. But it has a more mature radio. Hopefully this is an issue of radio firmware, and not bad hardware.
You do know where the antenna is in your device???
(read the manual)
In bad reception area's your hand can easily block the "low" signal....
I just switched from the Tilt to a Fuze 3 days ago and have definitely noticed the Fuze is weaker where I'm at (Statesville, NC).
And Karloe is right, the antenna is in the base of the phone, where I normally hold it. I've been holding it at the top and people on the other end of the line say it is clearer than when I first got the Fuze. Calls aren't dropping as much either.
Kind of awkward to hold the phone this way though....
It worked great when I was in Winston-Salem yesterday, had excellent 3G also.
I don't think the signal is worse than the Tilt. The display shows less bars than the Tilt did, but every phone displays signals differently.
As someone else said, the antenna is at the bottom, so you have to hold it differently than the Tilt.
So far I haven't had any dropped calls on the Fuze and I've had a few on the Tilt. Call clarity seems to be better on the Fuze than it was on the Tilt too.
Single is DEF worse then my 8525 I could take screen shots to prove it.
So far in my experience fuze has been giving me better reception that the tilt.
My Fuse def has less signal than my previous phones.
At my home in long island, NY I always had 4 to 5 bars on any phone I had.
The fuse only gives me 2 bars.
I live in a rural area and have noticed that while I usually only averaged two bars on my tilt, sometimes in a sweet spot I would get three.
The fuze peaks at two in sweet spots and a lot of the time it is hunting for a signal.
That being said, the tilt was the same way before I upgraded the radio rom many moons ago.
One thing I can say is that while the indicator shows poorer reception (it is just an icon) on the fuze, my call quality is better and is far less garbled during calls.
I work in NYC and with my tilt I would always have problems getting a signal in Manhattan. I could have full 3g reception in one signal spot, take one step foward and it would start searching for a signal. With my fuze Ive never seen less than 3 bars so far. It gets better reception than my tilt for sure.
My tilt had better reception while at home. The tilt never cycled through e -> g -> 3g like the fuze did. I agree that once the radio matures it will get better, but my stock tilt never had this problem when new. I also maintained a pretty steady 3g speed on the tilt whereas the fuze had huge swings in speed.
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You have to security unlock your phone, but I just flashed the Blackstone radio and it appears to get a little better signal than my stock ATT radio did.
I know it all depends on the area and conditions, but some of you that say it has worse reception might want to try some of the different radios that are out there.
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starstreak said:
I changed from a Tilt to a Fuze. I now tried the Fuze on my wife's T-mobile. I noticed that the Fuze seems weaker. My working place is really bad for T-Mobile. With my tilt I get 2 bars and sometimes 1. With the Fuze, I get 1 and sometimes when I try and update the weather, I loose all connection. And sometimes I get dropped calls.
Now, I know the radio has much to do with this. But in general, has anybody noticed if the Fuze seems weaker than their old phone? I can't judge 3G/H because I never had it till now.
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I definitely agree. I would routinely get 4 bars with my tilt in my apartment. I'm lucky to get 1 bar with the Fuze. Anyone have a suggestion for the best radio for those of us who have not security unlocked yet? I'm willing to do the unlock if there are no other viable options.
Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has not been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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I have noticed this as well. My Fuze is very quick to changef rom G > E > 3G > H.
With my Tilt it was almost always on H especially with the 1.70.19.09 radio. All in all I do think that it could be dependent on the radio it self. I guess with time we will see if it's the radio or the device itself.
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Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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You can try some different radios from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566
Unfortunately so far I haven't noticed any big differences between them in regards to reception. I've tried quite a few of them.
I wanted to start this thread to discuss making and receiving phone calls on AT&T's 3G network. I find that making and receiving phone calls while connected to 3g or HSDPA is very unreliable on my Fuze. The phone seems to always connect to H whenever there is any signal available, even if the signal is very low and unreliable.
I will sometimes recieve a call while connected to H and the person cannot hear me at all. I'll look at the phone to see that the H signal strength is very low. Instead of smoothly switching to Edge, the phone completely loses signal and drops the call. After having no signal for around 10 seconds, it will then reconnect to Edge and have 2 or more bars of service. Why couldn't it just switch to Edge without dropping my call? Any why hang on to an HSDPA connection if signal is unusably low?
I see other AT&T customers with 3G phones (Bold, iPhone) and they don't seem to have this same issue. Their phones can remain in 3g mode and work just fine. My only choice seems to leave 3G turned off, but switch it on when I need a fast data connection (a terrible solution).
I used to have Verizon and they just connect you to both their 3g and 2g networks at the same time, you can even see 2 signal meters on most phones. They use the 3G (EVDO) for data and 2G(1xRTT) for voice or data, when 3G is unavailable. Why can't my Fuze do the same thing on AT&T? Clearly, 3G doesn't penetrate building as well as 2G and the phone needs to use both, seamlessly, to work properly.
Just for background, I am using a Fuze with the latest EnergyROM and Radio 1.14.25.35 and matching Rilphone.dll. I have noticed this behavior with other roms and other radios also. I can't remember how stock worked since I haven't had it in such a long time.
Does anyone else notice the same behavior as me and does anyone have any ideas on how to improve the way the phone manages 3G vs Edge during phone calls?
Thanks in advance for anyone who can help me understand and resolve this problem.
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Drop into the ROM section, hit the radio thread. I found better luck dumping the stock radio on the Fuze, and installed a different one.
Any particular one that you recommend? Ideally, a radio that doesn't use 3g unless signal is reasonably strong would be best. Ive tried all of the official Fuze ones without any change in the behavior I described at all. Based on your signature, it seems you are currently using the same radio as I am...
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Any particular one that you recommend? Ideally, a radio that doesn't use 3g unless signal is reasonably strong would be best. Ive tried all of the official Fuze ones without any change in the behavior I described at all. Based on your signature, it seems you are currently using the same radio as I am...
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I found the newest Xperia radio (1.16.25.48) to be very satisfactory as far as signal strength goes - in fact I had more bars of 3G and dropped a lot less calls because of it. However, you need to be Security Unlocked to flash your phone with that radio. The only problem with the Xperia radio I had was the pitiful GPS accuracy.
sopranos16 where are you located? There are a few cities where users have been complaining about the 3G network. NYC/Northern NJ and San Fransisco are two that come to mind. Check on howardforums.
I'm now using a Fuze because AT&T shipped to to me to replace my Bold which will drop 5-15 calls a day in NYC. I don't believe it is a problem with the Bold, I have other lines with 3G that have problems. But this is the solution they offered so I'll try it.
You cal also check the at&t support forums as there are plenty of complaints there too. I just got the fuze and haven't really tried it yet. See what happens on Monday.
I'm located in central New Jersey: Monmouth County. Edge coverage is pretty good but 3G tends to always have a weaker signal strength and occasionally drops out, especially indoors.
Well the first day in lower Manhattan and not one dropped call. I'll let you know what happens later in the week.
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soprano, did you try the xperia radio? Let us know, I have had this issue for a while now...and your explanation was on the head.
Think I may just go ahead and security unlock my phone.
Is anyone having cell signal issues? I moved from a moto q9 napoleon and never had any signal issues; i.e.alway getting evdo signal while in my home, but now with the tp2, i spend most of my time with a 1x signal. And this (1x signal) negatively impacts my battery life.
The better question - is there a fix or solution?
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John
I have noticed the same thing with my phone. Only had it for 2 days. It gets 3G until I turn into my drive and then it goes to 1x. I had a Treo 700WX on Alltel and always got EVDO. Verizon and Alltel are sharing the same tower. The TP2 has been getting 3G at a lot of other locations that I have tried. I did notice that I was getting no signal lines at home, but when I made a call, it went to 2 lines. I wonder if it is a power saving thing, but I guess the 1x isn't helping the power.
Terrible problems with 1st TP2
The first one Verizon sent me had terrible problems with the radio. Iffy to connect to a call and even though it said 3G could hardly ever connect to broadband. Kept getting irritating popup telling me it could not connect to #777. The replacement they sent is working great here in Ft Wayne. I will update when I get back out on the road and see how it does roaming. I suspect a few may have just been defective since everything about this new unit is better.
As a side note, if anyone knows which registry key can get rid of those stupid popups, I would be grateful since I can't seem to find directions anywhere. I really don't need constant reminders after I hit dismiss the 1st time.
i've been having horrible battery life as well - and received the #777 problem as well yesterday. i thought it was a network issue or some software that caused the problem. i guess it isn't, though it seems to be working fine now? anybody else see this error?
i'm coming from AT&T so it's hard to get worse reception than that.. will see if it is as good as my last verizon phone however.