I changed from a Tilt to a Fuze. I now tried the Fuze on my wife's T-mobile. I noticed that the Fuze seems weaker. My working place is really bad for T-Mobile. With my tilt I get 2 bars and sometimes 1. With the Fuze, I get 1 and sometimes when I try and update the weather, I loose all connection. And sometimes I get dropped calls.
Now, I know the radio has much to do with this. But in general, has anybody noticed if the Fuze seems weaker than their old phone? I can't judge 3G/H because I never had it till now.
no absolutely not id say at worst the same if not better. It has all to do with the radio as well.
I figured as much. Maybe ATT optimized it for 3G network of theirs. I was hoping if anybody else on another network noticed a drop of signal quality with the stock rom/radio with tmobile.
I'm using the stock Fuze ROM, and I have worse reception on the bay area AT&T network. It's not a matter of bars on the display - it's that the calls are dropping in areas that never did with the Tilt.
My Tilt gets better reception. But it has a more mature radio. Hopefully this is an issue of radio firmware, and not bad hardware.
You do know where the antenna is in your device???
(read the manual)
In bad reception area's your hand can easily block the "low" signal....
I just switched from the Tilt to a Fuze 3 days ago and have definitely noticed the Fuze is weaker where I'm at (Statesville, NC).
And Karloe is right, the antenna is in the base of the phone, where I normally hold it. I've been holding it at the top and people on the other end of the line say it is clearer than when I first got the Fuze. Calls aren't dropping as much either.
Kind of awkward to hold the phone this way though....
It worked great when I was in Winston-Salem yesterday, had excellent 3G also.
I don't think the signal is worse than the Tilt. The display shows less bars than the Tilt did, but every phone displays signals differently.
As someone else said, the antenna is at the bottom, so you have to hold it differently than the Tilt.
So far I haven't had any dropped calls on the Fuze and I've had a few on the Tilt. Call clarity seems to be better on the Fuze than it was on the Tilt too.
Single is DEF worse then my 8525 I could take screen shots to prove it.
So far in my experience fuze has been giving me better reception that the tilt.
My Fuse def has less signal than my previous phones.
At my home in long island, NY I always had 4 to 5 bars on any phone I had.
The fuse only gives me 2 bars.
I live in a rural area and have noticed that while I usually only averaged two bars on my tilt, sometimes in a sweet spot I would get three.
The fuze peaks at two in sweet spots and a lot of the time it is hunting for a signal.
That being said, the tilt was the same way before I upgraded the radio rom many moons ago.
One thing I can say is that while the indicator shows poorer reception (it is just an icon) on the fuze, my call quality is better and is far less garbled during calls.
I work in NYC and with my tilt I would always have problems getting a signal in Manhattan. I could have full 3g reception in one signal spot, take one step foward and it would start searching for a signal. With my fuze Ive never seen less than 3 bars so far. It gets better reception than my tilt for sure.
My tilt had better reception while at home. The tilt never cycled through e -> g -> 3g like the fuze did. I agree that once the radio matures it will get better, but my stock tilt never had this problem when new. I also maintained a pretty steady 3g speed on the tilt whereas the fuze had huge swings in speed.
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You have to security unlock your phone, but I just flashed the Blackstone radio and it appears to get a little better signal than my stock ATT radio did.
I know it all depends on the area and conditions, but some of you that say it has worse reception might want to try some of the different radios that are out there.
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I changed from a Tilt to a Fuze. I now tried the Fuze on my wife's T-mobile. I noticed that the Fuze seems weaker. My working place is really bad for T-Mobile. With my tilt I get 2 bars and sometimes 1. With the Fuze, I get 1 and sometimes when I try and update the weather, I loose all connection. And sometimes I get dropped calls.
Now, I know the radio has much to do with this. But in general, has anybody noticed if the Fuze seems weaker than their old phone? I can't judge 3G/H because I never had it till now.
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I definitely agree. I would routinely get 4 bars with my tilt in my apartment. I'm lucky to get 1 bar with the Fuze. Anyone have a suggestion for the best radio for those of us who have not security unlocked yet? I'm willing to do the unlock if there are no other viable options.
Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has not been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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I have noticed this as well. My Fuze is very quick to changef rom G > E > 3G > H.
With my Tilt it was almost always on H especially with the 1.70.19.09 radio. All in all I do think that it could be dependent on the radio it self. I guess with time we will see if it's the radio or the device itself.
stevieraveon said:
Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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You can try some different radios from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566
Unfortunately so far I haven't noticed any big differences between them in regards to reception. I've tried quite a few of them.
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Hi.
I have a diamond and compared to my vario 2 the reception on gprs and 3g is very poor.
I only need to be about a mile from the mast and reception drops out while my vario 2 still has 2 bars and my friends nokia n95 has 3.
Could anyone try a comparison. I need to know if the radio is better than my diamond before spending a lot of money on the raphael.
Thanks in advance.
Sean.
I have had both devices in a lab environment and the radio performance (at least on the radio versions I tested) was as near identical as makes no difference - as would be expected due to the hardware being practically identical.
Comparing signal strength by number of bars (especially on devices from different vendors!) is an exercise in futility.
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Comparing signal strength by number of bars (especially on devices from different vendors!) is an exercise in futility.
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Biiiig 2nd. The iPhone 3G's got complained about a lot because "they only have 1 or 2 bars of service" yet the people would never complain of dropped calls or slow data connections. I think the 2.0.1 update did nothing more than lower the signal required to get a bar.
My reception levels seem ok (i.e. bars) but my data speeds feel slow.
I work in London and get HSPA, 3G and GPRS completely fine and of course the unit switches between them accordingly fine! This is on my HTC Touch Pro, but sadly I don't have the Diamond to compare with, but logically it should be the same since same hardware.
FWIW I updated the weather using HSPA whilst on the train this morning without problem, so I guess it's all down to coverage as always! Vodafone are pretty good in London.
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I work in London and get HSPA, 3G and GPRS completely fine and of course the unit switches between them accordingly fine! This is on my HTC Touch Pro, but sadly I don't have the Diamond to compare with, but logically it should be the same since same hardware.
FWIW I updated the weather using HSPA whilst on the train this morning without problem, so I guess it's all down to coverage as always! Vodafone are pretty good in London.
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Hrm I'm in London too but on T-Mobile. My Kaiser is fine but the Touch Pro is definitely having data issues.
For example, it doesnt always initiate a data session when you need one, like whne you want to refresh your RSS or sync email etc.
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Hrm I'm in London too but on T-Mobile. My Kaiser is fine but the Touch Pro is definitely having data issues.
For example, it doesnt always initiate a data session when you need one, like whne you want to refresh your RSS or sync email etc.
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Sorry to hear that, hopefully a ROM update (more specifically the Radio) will help you out! As always, the first ROM versions can be a bit funny which later versions iron out!
Out of coincidence, when you first started your Touch Pro, did you automatically set the settings according to the Network when prompted or did you perform this manually? I did this automatically as set by Vodafone network and all seems well!
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Sorry to hear that, hopefully a ROM update (more specifically the Radio) will help you out! As always, the first ROM versions can be a bit funny which later versions iron out!
Out of coincidence, when you first started your Touch Pro, did you automatically set the settings according to the Network when prompted or did you perform this manually? I did this automatically as set by Vodafone network and all seems well!
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Auto configured as usual...
Also in London, on Vodafone, and I'm going to say that the Raphael is pretty much identical for signal strength as the Diamond. Not found any places where it won't work yet (rail tunnels excepted). 3G signal still isn't available inside my house. But it never was with any phone.
I never had any problem with the Kaiser, Hermes, Universal, Magician, or any other device. All the reflashing of Radio ROM's that goes on around here for an extrordinarily marginal (and subjective) improvment completely baffles me...!
@Syphon Filter - My wife is on T-Mobile with an original Touch. Can't get a signal in our house at all unless she hangs out of the window or stands in the garden, but that's T-Mobile in South-East London for you...
Oh that's bad news. I was hoping the different housing could give the Raphael some improvement on 3G reception.
The Diamonds 3G reception is definitely worse then the reception quality of my TyTN and if the Raphael is identical to the Diamond...
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Oh that's bad news. I was hoping the different housing could give the Raphael some improvement on 3G reception.
The Diamonds 3G reception is definitely worse then the reception quality of my TyTN and if the Raphael is identical to the Diamond...
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Like I said, it's all subjective. I've never ever struggled for 3G reception on my Diamond in any location where my Hermes (TyTN) worked. Even in low signal areas, the Diamond has never failed me.
Admittedly speaker volume was better on the Hermes, but that's a different matter...
Well it's not that subjective because it's simply counting bars.
Where Diamond shows 1 bar, TyTN shows 2 bars - same location, same time, same network.
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Well it's not that subjective because it's simply counting bars.
Where Diamond shows 1 bar, TyTN shows 2 bars - same location, same time, same network.
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But how do you know that 1 Diamond bar doesn't equal 2 Tytn bars?
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I understand about the bars but the problem is how far from the transmitter you can use the phone.
There are many places where I can make calls and use the interner on my tytn bus I can't on my diamond.
at work I can walk about and have a conversation with no problems on my tytn but with my diamond I can only use it by a window.
listening to internet radio while driving is no problem with the tytn but with the diamond I keep having to restart the stream at various places when I lose the signal completely.
This is why a comparison would be helpful
Thanks to everyone so far for the feedback on this
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But how do you know that 1 Diamond bar doesn't equal 2 Tytn bars?
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This is of course a valid argument, but I also experienced, that the Diamond did not switch to 3G without forcing it by setting because of this weak 1 bar reception quality while the TyTN automatically switched to 3G.
So it seems that also the software internally assumed that the reception is too weak for 3G.
I would assume that the reception indicator is quite comparable between different HTC devices as the same operating system and the same manufacturer is involved.
Don't think I can add anything more to this discussion, on the basis that all of my 3G HTC devices have performed almost identically even in weaker signal areas.
I must just be very lucky? Best of luck to the rest of you though.
For me connection is definitely very very similar between the touch pro and tytn II. However I do think that the point at which is switches of 3g, becauase it doesn't think there is a good enough connection, may well be too early. It definitely seems to switch between 3g and gprs more often than the tytn II. Hopefully this can be fixed quite easily with an update.
Mine's going back.
My Hermes and Kaiser never lose the network in my house. My Touch Pro is constantly on and off. All with T-Mobile SIMs.
Shame 'cos it looks like a great device.
I have two phones here. TYTN II and a Raphael. Both on T-Mobile UK
The trusty TYTN II has 3 bars and always shows a 'H' whilst the Raphael is drifting from 'G' to 'H' and 1 bar occasionally losing a signal altogether.
I really want to like this phone but I might have to keep using the old one till HTC sort this out
I have both the Diamond and the Raphael side by side on the same network (Vodafone) and the signal strength is exactly the same.
I have had friends over with other phones, especially tilts. They can lock on 3G/H with 2-3 bars all day. I get 0-1 bars, and flip to edge all the time, and I would love to stick to H, even at the expense of battery life.
Is there a hack/registry setting to help with the fuze yet? I have searched and searched here to no avail. I guess it's too new, and might have to wait for a new radio rom, which would be a different section here.
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about since I don't have that problem, but you might want to head over to the Raphael ROM Development forum and see about flashing a cooked ROM and a different radio from the one you currently have (i recommend .28 since it's the only one i've got working with my GPS). Besides the fact that you'll get better reception, you'll get countless other improvements including blazing fast speeds, which you probably don't know about since you own a Fuze . I have a Fuze also, and going from the stock ROM to ANY cooked ROM is such a massive improvement it's not even funny.
Go check it out!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=440
Did you find that the .28 radio improved your internet speed or the new ROM?
For the OP. You should really run a speed test to make sure about the speeds being seen, don't confuse number of bars with hi speed. I have seen times on my Fuze where "E" gets me 400 - 800K download speed and a weak "H" do the same but at times "H" goes into the 1.5M range with only being 1-2 bars. The worst part I have seen is when the phone is flipping between "E" and "H" at those times my connection just seems to suck, I think the data is just being lost.
-Tim
wow, where are you running your speed tests where EDGE (max of 250Kbps) is giving 400-800?
Anyways, the Fuze as far as i've seen has a crappy radio (maybe it's just hardware in general). My Blackjack 2 on the same table (side by side) has 4 full bars (-89dBm) and the Fuze has 1 (-99dBm) and sometimes goes to no signal.
With the newer ROMs (Da_G's ROM especially) however they unhid the "Band" menu in the Phone settings. So from there you can go and change the band to WCDMA (only) and your phone will be locked to 3G (H) all the time.
NATF posted that he was seeing a great increase in battery life and was wondering who else was running the radio on the ATT network. Just want to get a few more confirmations before I go and buy the unlocked to CID unlock my phone.
THANKS
dtmcnamara said:
NATF posted that he was seeing a great increase in battery life and was wondering who else was running the radio on the ATT network. Just want to get a few more confirmations before I go and buy the unlocked to CID unlock my phone.
THANKS
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Im running it, however you could look in the radio thread in the rom development section.
I am running it in SoCal. Just did the security unlock yesterday and decided to try 1.08.25.08. I'm testing the battery life today to see if there's any difference from the stock I was using before.
is batterry the only thing that improves? how about data speeds or reception
I am very interested in the answer to these questions as well. I have a Tilt (AT&T WM6.1 ROM with common tweaks) and the Fuze (AT&T stock ROM with common tweaks). I prefer the Fuze in almost every way but the radio is a dissappointment. In side by side comparisons it generally reads 1 or 2 bars less than the Tilt. This also means the Fuze falls out of 3G long before the Tilt. Both break the 2mbps barrier when sitting under a tower. But speeds vary greatly as distance increases and places where the Tilt was still getting 900kbps, the Fuze was down around 250-300kbps, including my house unfortunately. The Tilt now has my wife's SIM card in it making comparisons possible and easy. There are locations I no longer want to tether due to the performance decrease in the Fuze. Battery life is not that great of a concern to me since the phone is charging whenever I am in the house, car, office, or tethered (and I'll get a double-life battery for it like I did for the Tilt as soon as there are a few available with good reviews, history, and case back designs).
Peter
Here in Baton Rouge the signal was 1-2 bars lower with 1.08.25.08 than the stock radio. Need to try a few more since i paid to unlock it. Gotta get my money's worth
1 to 2 bars lower than stock, my bars will have to start pointing down instead of up! Think I'll wait...
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i want radio 1.08.25.08 please
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i have htc diamond reboot it self
Has anyone else noticed that their Fuze gets worse reception than previous phones? My Tilt NEVER had less than 3G at my house. The fuze is constantly in EDGE and many times drops to GPRS. I went to the ATT store and was told that the original ones had an old ROM and that they needed to replace my phone. They did that and I still have the problem. Not only that but when it switches between 3G/EDGE/GPRS I drop calls!!! This is very fustrating. For as much as I love the Fuze I must have good data speeds and got to stop the dropped calls.
Any one else have the same issue?
GABIGDAWG
gabigdawg said:
Has anyone else noticed that their Fuze gets worse reception than previous phones? My Tilt NEVER had less than 3G at my house. The fuze is constantly in EDGE and many times drops to GPRS. I went to the ATT store and was told that the original ones had an old ROM and that they needed to replace my phone. They did that and I still have the problem. Not only that but when it switches between 3G/EDGE/GPRS I drop calls!!! This is very fustrating. For as much as I love the Fuze I must have good data speeds and got to stop the dropped calls.
Any one else have the same issue?
GABIGDAWG
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Not sure if you plan on switching to diffferent ROM's/Radios, but there is a link in the ROM Dev thread with steps to get this changed. A different radio (the one that works in your area best) should help with the 3G signal and could improve clarity of your calls/GPS signal.
Redundant thread. Try different radios. There are many threads on ways to improve your reception. No need for this one. Thread closed.
I wanted to start this thread to discuss making and receiving phone calls on AT&T's 3G network. I find that making and receiving phone calls while connected to 3g or HSDPA is very unreliable on my Fuze. The phone seems to always connect to H whenever there is any signal available, even if the signal is very low and unreliable.
I will sometimes recieve a call while connected to H and the person cannot hear me at all. I'll look at the phone to see that the H signal strength is very low. Instead of smoothly switching to Edge, the phone completely loses signal and drops the call. After having no signal for around 10 seconds, it will then reconnect to Edge and have 2 or more bars of service. Why couldn't it just switch to Edge without dropping my call? Any why hang on to an HSDPA connection if signal is unusably low?
I see other AT&T customers with 3G phones (Bold, iPhone) and they don't seem to have this same issue. Their phones can remain in 3g mode and work just fine. My only choice seems to leave 3G turned off, but switch it on when I need a fast data connection (a terrible solution).
I used to have Verizon and they just connect you to both their 3g and 2g networks at the same time, you can even see 2 signal meters on most phones. They use the 3G (EVDO) for data and 2G(1xRTT) for voice or data, when 3G is unavailable. Why can't my Fuze do the same thing on AT&T? Clearly, 3G doesn't penetrate building as well as 2G and the phone needs to use both, seamlessly, to work properly.
Just for background, I am using a Fuze with the latest EnergyROM and Radio 1.14.25.35 and matching Rilphone.dll. I have noticed this behavior with other roms and other radios also. I can't remember how stock worked since I haven't had it in such a long time.
Does anyone else notice the same behavior as me and does anyone have any ideas on how to improve the way the phone manages 3G vs Edge during phone calls?
Thanks in advance for anyone who can help me understand and resolve this problem.
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Drop into the ROM section, hit the radio thread. I found better luck dumping the stock radio on the Fuze, and installed a different one.
Any particular one that you recommend? Ideally, a radio that doesn't use 3g unless signal is reasonably strong would be best. Ive tried all of the official Fuze ones without any change in the behavior I described at all. Based on your signature, it seems you are currently using the same radio as I am...
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Any particular one that you recommend? Ideally, a radio that doesn't use 3g unless signal is reasonably strong would be best. Ive tried all of the official Fuze ones without any change in the behavior I described at all. Based on your signature, it seems you are currently using the same radio as I am...
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I found the newest Xperia radio (1.16.25.48) to be very satisfactory as far as signal strength goes - in fact I had more bars of 3G and dropped a lot less calls because of it. However, you need to be Security Unlocked to flash your phone with that radio. The only problem with the Xperia radio I had was the pitiful GPS accuracy.
sopranos16 where are you located? There are a few cities where users have been complaining about the 3G network. NYC/Northern NJ and San Fransisco are two that come to mind. Check on howardforums.
I'm now using a Fuze because AT&T shipped to to me to replace my Bold which will drop 5-15 calls a day in NYC. I don't believe it is a problem with the Bold, I have other lines with 3G that have problems. But this is the solution they offered so I'll try it.
You cal also check the at&t support forums as there are plenty of complaints there too. I just got the fuze and haven't really tried it yet. See what happens on Monday.
I'm located in central New Jersey: Monmouth County. Edge coverage is pretty good but 3G tends to always have a weaker signal strength and occasionally drops out, especially indoors.
Well the first day in lower Manhattan and not one dropped call. I'll let you know what happens later in the week.
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soprano, did you try the xperia radio? Let us know, I have had this issue for a while now...and your explanation was on the head.
Think I may just go ahead and security unlock my phone.