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Rom that fixes Edge/3g mistake?

I did search and I was sure there'd be a thread on this, but I frankly couldn't figure out what to seach for and got no hits. My Tilt makes the mistake of showing an "E" for Edge instead of 3G sometimes. My data rates seem to indicate that this is not just an icon mistake but an actual problem with the radio (though I am still not sure about this). This is all the more strange because, where I live, the telcos skipped edge and deployed HSDPA directly so I have no idea where this phone is getting an edge signal from. I have my Tilt next to a N95 and the N95 is showing 3g and getting faster transfer rates.
So my question is, which of the roms (if any) will fix this? Thanks!

I've had similar problems on my Tilt with every rom I've tried so far. The download speeds vary wildly, and the icon constantly changes between E, 3G, and H. Sometimes it changes every couple of seconds, even when standing still, in a typically good connection area. My GPS connection has similar problems. It's constantly jumping between various satellites, and never seems to hang on to the same one for more than a second.
I really hope a radio upgrade fixes these problems!

Thanks for the reply! That is too bad . Guess I will be sitting tight for an update .

Did you guys call AT&T about this? If they don't know they won't bother trying to fix it...
My Tilt stays on 3G or E, which ever I choose, very solidly. It might be just your area is a little weak on signal, which is a fix done at the towers at your location. So, you'll need to let AT&T know.

I don't know if this is reLated. I do not have 3G in my area but only EDGE. However I find my TyTn II uploading and downloading data at only half the rates to what my HTC Touch can manage. While my TyTn gives me around 100kbs the Touch can manage 200+kbs. I have tested repeatedly by swapping SIMs between the two. Could this be a radio problem?? Can I bank my hopes on a future ROM upgrade??

same issue here. I had to reboot few times and hope for the best. I was in San Jose ( EMC / Yahoo Campus) and was getting EDGE but I rebotted the device few times and it finally picked up 3G.

Been using this rom for a few hours now: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341886, and is seems to have fixed my problem. You should give it a try.
BTW, I got a Tilt as a gift but I have never had AT&T service. I am still puzzled as to where the old ROM was finding an Edge signal, as my carrier confirmed they never implemented Edge, just straight from GPRS to HSDPA.

ATT Edge Data Speed

Just like many others, I am a US ATT user with a Euro version --- so I am not getting 3G but....
My real problem is not just putting up with the lack of 3G. I got my TyTNII Kaiser back out today and started toying with what I suspected. In side by side comparisons the Edge data speed (thus Opera, OperaMini, etc etc) was 20 - 40% slower on the HTC Touch Pro compared with the TyTNII. I think it seems to me that it relates to radio differences (or maybe antenna). Since having the Touch Pro for several weeks I noticed that I dropped calls fairly regularly and I think the decreased receprtion in general is effecting my data speed.
Has anyone else experienced this? If so, I wonder if all our probelms will be solved even if the guys figure out out to "turn on" 3G for us

jcrompton said:
In side by side comparisons the Edge data speed (thus Opera, OperaMini, etc etc) was 20 - 40% slower on the HTC Touch Pro compared with the TyTNII...
... if the guys figure out out to "turn on" 3G for us ....
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If it is real 20-40% then considered yourself are lucky. According to my benchmark via speedtest.net on Tilt, EGDE is about 60 - 140Kbps, meanwhile H is 700 - 1.4 Mbps. Hence, it must be 1,000% slower
Wait 'til the Fuze come out to see if it might availbale.

Not exactly what I meant -- I mean that if I force my TyTNII to Edge only (NO 3G) it still out performs the HTC Touch Pro
..... I believe it may be that it's reception is worse even at the same place ? worse radio ? worse antenna ???

That's odd, and quite troubling... Your EDGE speeds should be identical with both phones in the same location. Might it be that the Diamond just takes longer to render the web page, and the connection speed isn't actually slower? Try going to speedtest.net on both devices and see how they stack up against each other.

I actually ran www.dslreports.com mobile speed test form the Internet Explorer (PIE) on both devices. The numbers proved that the Edge (non 3G) speed was definitely less on the Touch Pro vs the Kaiser, which was obvious with just daily use ...
I am really surprised that no one else has noticed this ???
If I add this to the "fear" that we may not get 3G it's just really is disappointing . I've actually carried the Kaiser the last several days to see if I could go back to it after carrying the Touch Pro for several weeks - the speed issue ssure has made it easier.

[Q] Fuze 3G/HSDPA Speeds?

Hey guys,
What speeds do you get on your fuze?
I check on http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed
and it shows that i'm getting about 663 kbps
I did this test next to my coworker with an iPhone 3G and that darn thing returned double (1200 kbps) of what i got
are all of you getting about 600 or 1200(1.2mbps)?

is he doing the iphone test or the reg m test? i get a higher speed when i dl a bigger file. 1MB i got 928 with my fuze and i did the reg m test not the iphone test

I got 1660 on my fuze.

I'd just like to know who at at&t turned off the [H] speeds in the southwest Missouri area. Never had any problems with HSDPA (or whatever it is called).
On the fuze, every hack I've tried and it still refuses to pop up....just 3G.
Any ideas?

the iphone test was on testmyiphone.com
and i did the 1mb test on dslreports and got 663 ... is there anything on the fuze that would restrict the hsdpa speed?
... as for getting the H icon, just use schaps advanced config tool

First of all, the ROM on ATT's Fuze just has the 'H' icon disabled. There is a reg hack to enable it, try searching around.
That being said, I'm having major issues with the 3G speed on my Fuze.
I have a BlackJack II as well, and I can literally pop my SIM out, put it in that, and get normal decent 3G speeds. Go back to my Fuze, and it's so slow that pages often don't even load at all, and time out. I am testing with all the same websites. Even updating the weather in the TF3d panel often times out and when it does work it takes like 10 seconds per city.
Doesn't matter if I'm in Opera or IE, it's just slow as hell on the Fuze. Go back to the BlackJack, and again it's fine.
I am taking it back today, I'll try a replacement, but I am not willing to try a ROM flash because I'm afraid they won't take it back.

I'm getting 254 kbs... blazing.

814 kbps. Not bad, on HSDPA

speed issues
I am not sure if this has anything to do with it but I was looking at the connection settings that defaulted in my Fuze and the apn is ims.cingular
I am familiar with wap.cingular and I know isp.cingular ut I have never heard of ims.cingular. Would this even have any impact on this?

im getting 2600Kbps down 700Kbps up on full bars HSDPA

Im in NYC and when I dont have an active data connection it will show 2-3 bars 3G but as soon as I try and connect It'll revert to E. Is this happening to anyone else?

you know what... i'm not even using the default Fuze modem connection (the one called "MEdia Net" that has wap.cingular, username and password).
My boss and I created a new GPRS/3G modem connection without any settings on our Fuzes.... and its working for us. So i don't think that has anything to do with it. I think all it does is let AT&T know that you're authenticating onto their servers the the default username and password.
Go ahead and give it a shot, create a new GPRS/3G modem connection and name it whatever you want. Go through the steps and leave everything blank. The 3G/HSPDA will work fine, at least for us....

On my Fuze, forced to do the 1MB test, with 3G, I got:
1345 kbit/sec
0.32s latency
6.363s d/l time.again.

My FUZE with Romeos ROM is reaching HSDPA at pretty damn low speeds on AT&T 3G...
Avg between 300-700 on dslreports.com/mspeed. Usually somewhere around 500kbps.
If I swap out my SIM and put it into my X1i, I get between 800-1300kbps in the same location a minute later!
Absurd. Really, really absurd. Something is wrong here. Either the radio, or some software setting, or, even perhaps a hardware limitation is causing the FUZE to get much slower speeds than other HTC made phones...
I also have an I-Mate 9502 which gets the same range of speeds my X1i gets. Tested my buddys Tilt, and he was getting between 750-1000kbps...
Any ideas? Anyone have similar issues in the U.S.?

Thanks for confirming my suspicions that the G3/H on this phone is the same.
As for the Fuze, like my other HTC phones, I have trouble getting bars while other peeps with other phones on ATT get full bars. I wonder if it's the antenna? I wonder if HTC does a bad job with them?

Yesterday I had to revert to a 2 year old SonyEricsson K800 just to keep myself from dropping calls.
I'm beginning to think that it's the antenna, and not just some funky AT&T control. I used to regedit tweaks to enable HSDPA and its icon and the best result I've ever returned was around 660kb/s down. Also of note is that it didn't matter how many bars I had; one test with 1 bar returned a down speed 200kb/s faster than a test I did with four bars.
I really want to like this phone but it's getting too wonky for me.

Well, I went and exchanged my Fuze today for another one. I must admit it seems to be working a lot better. At first it wasn't, but after using it a while it is now reasonable. For now anyway. It's still not as fast as my BlackJack II, but it is at least working, which is more than I can say for the one I returned.
Earlier, I was trying to get a speed report on dslreports.com/mspeed, and it kept saying that it was invalid test on the 1MB because it was too quick (1.4 seconds), ironically.
I'm still not sure I trust this phone. I might try RomeOS now that I know I can flash back to stock ROM if I need to return.
Maybe the Epix will be OK for now until the X1 is out.
I'm going to do some dslreports testing and compare to the BlackJack II from the same spot, will post up.

Test Results
Well, here's the results of the testing. Unbelievable. This is with a "3G" connection. Granted it's in my apt, but my other phones work in here. I did a bunch of tests with each phone, my Fuze and a Blackjack II. These were all done within a few minutes of each other from the exact same location (my couch, LOL) using the same SIM. I'll try more tests tomorrow from a better location, maybe I'll go to Fullerton as another member here posted he got awesome HSDPA speeds there.
I did these from http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and most did not work on 100k, they gave the error "unstable or too fast results" so I'd go up to 200k or 1MB.
First the Fuze (in succession):
100k:
74 kbit/sec
0.647s latency
11.41s d/l time
100k:
too fast- 1.99s
200k:
188 kbit/sec
0.703s latency
9.188s d/l time
100k:
48 kbit/sec
4.23s latency
17.215s d/l time
100k:
57 kbit/sec
0.762s latency
14.777s d/l time
100k:
72 kbit/sec
0.707s latency
11.804s d/l time
Then the Blackjack II (in succession):
100k:
too fast - 0.41s
200k:
too fast - 0.567s
1MB:
761 kbit/sec
0.103s latency
10.681s d/l time
1MB:
too fast - 1.484s
1MB:
411 kbit/sec
0.161s latency
19.977s d/l time
1MB:
unstable / too fast result
1MB:
unstable / too fast result
100k:
unstable / too fast a result
1MB:
unstable / too fast a result
So you can see that the Fuze is abysmal. For some reason I kept getting that weird error result. On the BJ it just stopped working after a while, but I was still able to browse to pages just fine. In fact on the Fuze, I can't even load Gmail usually at all, so I went to it on the BJ after these tests and it came up and loaded instantly.
I am not pleased. I think we should also post our ROM versions. Someone else thought maybe ATT imposed a limit of some kind (I can't see how they could limit it this bad, from a business point, but I wouldn't put it past them). Maybe the people with just fine connections have older ROMs, pre-limited. Just a thought.
Here's my info:
ROM: 1.95.502.5 WWE (10/20/2008)
Radio: 1.02.25.32
Protocol: 52.39c.25.22H
SPL: 1.95.00.00
I really really want to like this phone and make it work. But even though this replacement is better than the first one, it's still not usable as you can tell. It does happen to have all the same ROM versions as the prior one.
Please post up similar info guys, speed test results, and your phone ROM versions, etc. To find that info, you can look in the bottom right when you first boot up the phone, and also go into Start->Settings->Phone(?), somewhere in there you'll find it.
If anything, we will document this enough to force ATT to fix it.

I'm running NATF's rom and getting decent speeds here from my house, 1400, but I have noticed that I have less connection bars that my Tilt. I've always had 4 bars here at home on the tilt, but the Fuze will drop to 3 and 2 bars sometimes. I'm not getting anywhere near the reception with the Fuze as opposed to my Tilt, so I'm thinking it's got to be an antennae problem.

I'm getting approximately the same displayed bars from my house as I was getting on my 8525; however, the Fuze seems to be performing better with that displayed signal strength. That is, I frequently got drop-outs in certain parts of the house with the 8525; with the Fuze, I don't believe I have heard a drop-out in the five days I've had it.
I did a couple of speedtest runs this morning sitting in my car waiting for someone; one was 1260 kbps, the other 1450. I certainly can't complain about the speed.

[Q] Is the Fuze weaker in signal grabbing than the Tilt?

I changed from a Tilt to a Fuze. I now tried the Fuze on my wife's T-mobile. I noticed that the Fuze seems weaker. My working place is really bad for T-Mobile. With my tilt I get 2 bars and sometimes 1. With the Fuze, I get 1 and sometimes when I try and update the weather, I loose all connection. And sometimes I get dropped calls.
Now, I know the radio has much to do with this. But in general, has anybody noticed if the Fuze seems weaker than their old phone? I can't judge 3G/H because I never had it till now.

no absolutely not id say at worst the same if not better. It has all to do with the radio as well.

I figured as much. Maybe ATT optimized it for 3G network of theirs. I was hoping if anybody else on another network noticed a drop of signal quality with the stock rom/radio with tmobile.

I'm using the stock Fuze ROM, and I have worse reception on the bay area AT&T network. It's not a matter of bars on the display - it's that the calls are dropping in areas that never did with the Tilt.
My Tilt gets better reception. But it has a more mature radio. Hopefully this is an issue of radio firmware, and not bad hardware.

You do know where the antenna is in your device???
(read the manual)
In bad reception area's your hand can easily block the "low" signal....

I just switched from the Tilt to a Fuze 3 days ago and have definitely noticed the Fuze is weaker where I'm at (Statesville, NC).
And Karloe is right, the antenna is in the base of the phone, where I normally hold it. I've been holding it at the top and people on the other end of the line say it is clearer than when I first got the Fuze. Calls aren't dropping as much either.
Kind of awkward to hold the phone this way though....
It worked great when I was in Winston-Salem yesterday, had excellent 3G also.

I don't think the signal is worse than the Tilt. The display shows less bars than the Tilt did, but every phone displays signals differently.
As someone else said, the antenna is at the bottom, so you have to hold it differently than the Tilt.
So far I haven't had any dropped calls on the Fuze and I've had a few on the Tilt. Call clarity seems to be better on the Fuze than it was on the Tilt too.

Single is DEF worse then my 8525 I could take screen shots to prove it.

So far in my experience fuze has been giving me better reception that the tilt.

My Fuse def has less signal than my previous phones.
At my home in long island, NY I always had 4 to 5 bars on any phone I had.
The fuse only gives me 2 bars.

I live in a rural area and have noticed that while I usually only averaged two bars on my tilt, sometimes in a sweet spot I would get three.
The fuze peaks at two in sweet spots and a lot of the time it is hunting for a signal.
That being said, the tilt was the same way before I upgraded the radio rom many moons ago.
One thing I can say is that while the indicator shows poorer reception (it is just an icon) on the fuze, my call quality is better and is far less garbled during calls.

I work in NYC and with my tilt I would always have problems getting a signal in Manhattan. I could have full 3g reception in one signal spot, take one step foward and it would start searching for a signal. With my fuze Ive never seen less than 3 bars so far. It gets better reception than my tilt for sure.

My tilt had better reception while at home. The tilt never cycled through e -> g -> 3g like the fuze did. I agree that once the radio matures it will get better, but my stock tilt never had this problem when new. I also maintained a pretty steady 3g speed on the tilt whereas the fuze had huge swings in speed.
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You have to security unlock your phone, but I just flashed the Blackstone radio and it appears to get a little better signal than my stock ATT radio did.
I know it all depends on the area and conditions, but some of you that say it has worse reception might want to try some of the different radios that are out there.

Same Bad Reception
starstreak said:
I changed from a Tilt to a Fuze. I now tried the Fuze on my wife's T-mobile. I noticed that the Fuze seems weaker. My working place is really bad for T-Mobile. With my tilt I get 2 bars and sometimes 1. With the Fuze, I get 1 and sometimes when I try and update the weather, I loose all connection. And sometimes I get dropped calls.
Now, I know the radio has much to do with this. But in general, has anybody noticed if the Fuze seems weaker than their old phone? I can't judge 3G/H because I never had it till now.
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I definitely agree. I would routinely get 4 bars with my tilt in my apartment. I'm lucky to get 1 bar with the Fuze. Anyone have a suggestion for the best radio for those of us who have not security unlocked yet? I'm willing to do the unlock if there are no other viable options.

Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has not been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.

stevieraveon said:
Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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I have noticed this as well. My Fuze is very quick to changef rom G > E > 3G > H.
With my Tilt it was almost always on H especially with the 1.70.19.09 radio. All in all I do think that it could be dependent on the radio it self. I guess with time we will see if it's the radio or the device itself.

stevieraveon said:
Thank god I'm not the only one. My TILT always had full bars on 3g at home in my condo in Chicago. The Fuze constantly cycles from G > E > 3g and I have yet to be on a call that has been dropped.
I'm debating returning this. While I know I can flash better ROMs to be faster, I don't know of any better radios currently to flash.
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You can try some different radios from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439566
Unfortunately so far I haven't noticed any big differences between them in regards to reception. I've tried quite a few of them.

3G AT&T Calls on Fuze: Not Reliable!

I wanted to start this thread to discuss making and receiving phone calls on AT&T's 3G network. I find that making and receiving phone calls while connected to 3g or HSDPA is very unreliable on my Fuze. The phone seems to always connect to H whenever there is any signal available, even if the signal is very low and unreliable.
I will sometimes recieve a call while connected to H and the person cannot hear me at all. I'll look at the phone to see that the H signal strength is very low. Instead of smoothly switching to Edge, the phone completely loses signal and drops the call. After having no signal for around 10 seconds, it will then reconnect to Edge and have 2 or more bars of service. Why couldn't it just switch to Edge without dropping my call? Any why hang on to an HSDPA connection if signal is unusably low?
I see other AT&T customers with 3G phones (Bold, iPhone) and they don't seem to have this same issue. Their phones can remain in 3g mode and work just fine. My only choice seems to leave 3G turned off, but switch it on when I need a fast data connection (a terrible solution).
I used to have Verizon and they just connect you to both their 3g and 2g networks at the same time, you can even see 2 signal meters on most phones. They use the 3G (EVDO) for data and 2G(1xRTT) for voice or data, when 3G is unavailable. Why can't my Fuze do the same thing on AT&T? Clearly, 3G doesn't penetrate building as well as 2G and the phone needs to use both, seamlessly, to work properly.
Just for background, I am using a Fuze with the latest EnergyROM and Radio 1.14.25.35 and matching Rilphone.dll. I have noticed this behavior with other roms and other radios also. I can't remember how stock worked since I haven't had it in such a long time.
Does anyone else notice the same behavior as me and does anyone have any ideas on how to improve the way the phone manages 3G vs Edge during phone calls?
Thanks in advance for anyone who can help me understand and resolve this problem.

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Drop into the ROM section, hit the radio thread. I found better luck dumping the stock radio on the Fuze, and installed a different one.

Any particular one that you recommend? Ideally, a radio that doesn't use 3g unless signal is reasonably strong would be best. Ive tried all of the official Fuze ones without any change in the behavior I described at all. Based on your signature, it seems you are currently using the same radio as I am...

TheSopranos16 said:
Any particular one that you recommend? Ideally, a radio that doesn't use 3g unless signal is reasonably strong would be best. Ive tried all of the official Fuze ones without any change in the behavior I described at all. Based on your signature, it seems you are currently using the same radio as I am...
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I found the newest Xperia radio (1.16.25.48) to be very satisfactory as far as signal strength goes - in fact I had more bars of 3G and dropped a lot less calls because of it. However, you need to be Security Unlocked to flash your phone with that radio. The only problem with the Xperia radio I had was the pitiful GPS accuracy.

sopranos16 where are you located? There are a few cities where users have been complaining about the 3G network. NYC/Northern NJ and San Fransisco are two that come to mind. Check on howardforums.
I'm now using a Fuze because AT&T shipped to to me to replace my Bold which will drop 5-15 calls a day in NYC. I don't believe it is a problem with the Bold, I have other lines with 3G that have problems. But this is the solution they offered so I'll try it.
You cal also check the at&t support forums as there are plenty of complaints there too. I just got the fuze and haven't really tried it yet. See what happens on Monday.

I'm located in central New Jersey: Monmouth County. Edge coverage is pretty good but 3G tends to always have a weaker signal strength and occasionally drops out, especially indoors.

Well the first day in lower Manhattan and not one dropped call. I'll let you know what happens later in the week.

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soprano, did you try the xperia radio? Let us know, I have had this issue for a while now...and your explanation was on the head.
Think I may just go ahead and security unlock my phone.