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Little help here Chefs - WM6 iPhone Edition

Does anyone know if there is an application (EXE file) within WM6 or WM5 that executes the "programs" and "settings" list, without tapping the Start button?
Also, on a soft reset, how can you make a single application load everytime?
Thanks...

bradsnw said:
Does anyone know if there is an application (EXE file) within WM6 or WM5 that executes the "programs" and "settings" list, without tapping the Start button?
Also, on a soft reset, how can you make a single application load everytime?
Thanks...
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Anyone? I am sure there is a simple solution that I am overlooking. With a little help here I can fix a couple of problems with an iPhone emulator that can be incorporated into any WM6 Rom. I am currently running this now, but these fixes would make it perfect, and would almost do away with the Windows Mobile today screen. I am pretty amazed with this so far, The new iPhone today screen perfectly mathes what you would see on the apple website, and I am not noticing any signifigant lag time between apps that are loaded this way.

To make an application load on a soft reset, just place it in the windows/start up folder or place a link to it in that folder.

bradsnw said:
Does anyone know if there is an application (EXE file) within WM6 or WM5 that executes the "programs" and "settings" list, without tapping the Start button?
Also, on a soft reset, how can you make a single application load everytime?
Thanks...
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not directly.... they are linked to explorer.exe and the shell....and of course the registry.....if my memory serves me rigth.

faria said:
not directly.... they are linked to explorer.exe and the shell....and of course the registry.....if my memory serves me rigth.
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Faria, memory cannot serve you right. You are already at 97% capacity and the only way to get the information you require is to do a soft reset at which point you will get down to 75%. Or in the alternation upgrade.....

Is this the emulator you are talking about?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=301517

Did you find out how to start the functioning of program from icon.
I cannot find the explorer.exe in the rom

samy.3660 said:
Did you find out how to start the functioning of program from icon.
I cannot find the explorer.exe in the rom
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Nothing as of yet. Without recompiling the software, each button on the iPhone today screen requires an .exe file, executable, to launch that particular service or program. To make things easy, I wanted to know how to create an exectuable file that will launch contacts, programs folder, and settings folder, with these, the normal WM6 today screen would not be needed anymore.

So Far....
So far....

Wow, those screens look cool already
Any idea when a first beta will be ready (if you are gonna release it)?

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Wow, those screens look cool already
Any idea when a first beta will be ready (if you are gonna release it)?
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I have figured out how to link to Outlook Contacts, I am just having troubles getting settings and programs to pull up. Wven with creating shortcuts to them

well if you want settings like for example the task manager then a call to this would bring it up:
ctlpnl cplmain.cpl,4,2
Didn't want to leave you hanging so I ran a quick search here to see if it has a list and here's something that should steer you in a direction...that is if this is what you wanted:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=289005

that doesnt help, you know how to add a shortcut to start start menu

Here's a similar app:
http://rychlicki.net/en/2007/04/01/174/
http://rychlicki.net/inne/res_ppc-custom.icons.zip
Clock doesnt work there though

Open running applications instantly?

Maybe a strange topic title but this is what I mean:
When I have PocketInformant running for example in the background, it opens instantly when it is selected from a TaskManager like pBar (wich I use). When I want to acces the programm using a normal shortcut from my startmenu it has some delay before it opens.
Does anybody have any tips or ideas about this?

You kinda answered your question yourself. If it running already it doesnt need to be loaded....

crazybadger said:
You kinda answered your question yourself. If it running already it doesnt need to be loaded....
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You are correct. But I wanted to know why a programm opens instantly when you open it using a task manager. While opening it using the StartMenu takes more time, In both cases the programms are already running in the background

mccune said:
You are correct. But I wanted to know why a programm opens instantly when you open it using a task manager. While opening it using the StartMenu takes more time, In both cases the programms are already running in the background
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I actually do understand your question because I noticed that too. When a program is alreading running in the background minimized and if you select it using a task manager of choice, it opens up quickly since it was just minimized where as if your where to go through programs menu and run the program shortcut again, there is some delay. I think it is because its closing the program or checking if it is already running that is causing the delay. Don't know for sure actually

i'm not sure if it works the same way as in desktop windows, but here it isl like that...
when you want to code a program that can be launched only once you put a specific section in program's startup part, that checks wether another copy of the process isn't already running, if no is found application starts normally, if it finds previously launched copy it terminates.
now i'm not sure how does it work here in wm5/6 as it happens with all the programs, so probably it is more os dependant, but if i'm right the delay comes from the fact that taping a shortcut actually runs the program again in the first place...

banannq is absolutely correct. This is how things work in WM as well.
When you click a link to the program or its exe file directly from file explorer it is launched again even if it is already running.
If this is a big app like Skype or PI it will take time just to load the exe so even if all it has to do is close right away there is still a delay.
The task manager however calls the program copy already running directly so there is no delay.

Thanks for the explanation!
Now I understand what was driving me mad
So opening programms from a TaskManager is the fastest way to work with you PPC. Or maybe run a today plugin that has a running programms line. I believe the O2 plugin has this kind of functionality.

WisBar Lite and MagicButton (both free) add a running programs icon list to the top menu bar so you can more quickly task swap.

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WisBar Lite and MagicButton (both free) add a running programs icon list to the top menu bar so you can more quickly task swap.
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I use pBar for this, works like a charm

The funny thing is - this is exactly the kind of thinking that brought M$ to create the ever so hated "smart minimize" concept and spawn a hoard of "close button / task manager" applications like magic button.
It is nice when programs start right away, but the trouble is RAM on WM devices is still stuck on at very low limit. Now, if we had devices with 256 or more MB of RAM we probably would not need to close apps.

Notification Queue, fixing & cleaning HOWTO

This is version 0.1 of a guide I am putting together about the Windows Mobile Notification Queue. I don't really know which forum to put this in, so mods feel free to move it if you feel that General is not the best place - thanks.
WARNING: Follow the advice below at your own risk! Backup your device first before trying any of this! Messing with the Notification Queue can stop Activesync and other software working permanently if you screw up, which only a hard reset can fix!!!
### Preface ###
After calendar reminders (and other notifications) stopped working again on my HTC Universal running WM5, I decided to do some research into this so-called "Notification Queue" and find out what each entry did, which were causing problems, and which ones could be safely deleted.
There is very little information out there regarding the notification queue (and a lot of misinformation), so I have gathered up what I could and hopefully this will be the only post you need to read if you are having problems with alarms/reminders/notifications/etc, or just want to do some spring cleaning to speed up your device.
The Notification Queue is present on all WM2003, WM2003SE, WM5, and WM6 devices - both PDA's as well as Pocket PC phones. I don't know about the Smartphone, I don't think MemMaid works on those devices anyway, can any Smartphone owners comment?
Its purpose is to basically run tasks and activate alarms/reminders at scheduled times, particularly when the device is in standby or low power mode.
The Notification Queue is the cause of many problems/bugs such as alarms/reminders not working, or alarms going crazy when the device is rebooted, etc. It does not cause anywhere near as many problems on WM6, but WM6 users may still benefit from this information.
### Tools you will need ###
DinarSoft MemMaid. The 15 day free trial will be enough, or you could buy it. Other software exists that will do the same thing, but this guide will focus only on MemMaid.
Also some backup software like SPB Backup!
Firstly: Install MemMaid, but don't open it just yet. Disconnect your device from your PC so that Activesync is not connected, then you should also properly close/kill ActiveSync with your task manager so that it doesn't interfere with the queue by frequently adding new repllog.exe entries (perhaps this is not required, but I think it is a good idea anyway).
Secondly: Now open MemMaid, and click on the second tab which should be the Notification Queue. This is where you need to be.
### Entries in the Notification Queue ###
Duplicates: The first thing you should do is press the "Find Duplicate" button, and remove all duplicate notifications. This is safe to do.
"Blank" entries: These appear to be blank, but when you select them, they have lots of seemingly random hex letters and numbers. These are left over from old failed ActiveSync connections, and should be deleted.
repllog.exe: These are all added by ActiveSync, and are necessary for it to work correctly. There should only be a few (like 3 or 4) entries in the queue, all of which look different from each other. You can only safely delete ONE type of them, which is the type at or near the top of the queue that looks like this: Argument: /sched /remote /h 01 October 2007 - 16:48:56. Delete any of this type that have dates/times in the past, but leave the future ones alone. And definitely leave the other repllog.exe entries alone that appear further down in the queue!
CALENDAR.EXE: Delete all of these, don't worry they will be re-added in the proper order later on. A backlog of these are what causes most problems.
\Windows\clock.exe: Same as CALENDAR.EXE - delete all of them. Also the cause of many problems. If you do find any of these, after deleting them you should then turn off all Alarms in Start->Settings->System->Clock & Alarms.
\\.\Notifications\NamedEvents\xxxxxx: The SCRIPT ones apparently relate to the flashing screen notification type for your device, but they don't seem to cause any harm and I don't know enough about them, so don't delete these.
CALNOT.EXE | \\Windows\calupd.exe | clocknot.exe: Leave these well alone, unless you have some with dates/times in the past (at or near the top in MemMaid) AND there are also others of the same type in your queue with dates/times in the future (in the middle or bottom). If this is the case, delete only the ones in the past. If in doubt, leave it alone, unless you have a backup and are feeling adventurous!
\\Windows\sddaemon.exe: This is the Smart dialer service. There should only be 1 of these entries after you cleaned the queue of duplicates earlier, so leave this alone.
There will probably be some other entries not mentioned here caused by software you have installed, leave these alone also unless you have good reason to think otherwise.
At this point if you scroll to the top of your Notification Queue, the first few entries should all have dates/times in the near future, and nothing else in the queue should have a date/time in the past. So you have cleaned your Notification Queue, and now you only have one last step to perform
### FINAL STEP (important) ###
You can now close MemMaid. Open up your favourite file explorer, the WM5 default one will do but personally I prefer Resco Explorer 2007. Navigate to the My Device\Windows\ directory. There are a LOT of files in here, so it may be a bit slow.
Now you need to execute each of the following 3 files, only once and in this order:
clocknot.exe
calnot.exe
calupd.exe
It will seem like nothing has happened once you execute each of these, as they all run in the background and are very small files.
Then, close Explorer and perform an ActiveSync connection with your PC to make sure your calendar entries are properly registered on your device.
Now you should wait at least 5-10 minutes for your changes to be saved by the operating system, then you can perform a soft reset and any notification-related problems you were having previously should all be gone! (and your device may be a little bit faster too)

Hi sl9,
thank you for your post, I've found it very useful. I have frequent reminders problems on my Artemis and it's really pain for me to fight it almost every day and although I like my device I'm thinking of change it to other OS phone (Palm OS or Symbian) only because Microsoft don't care about clients.
I hope other users will add their tips in this threat so we could finally make our WM devices more stable and reliable.
For those who deleted to much from notification queue and their PDAs don't synchronize - there is "Recreate ActiveSync" feature in SKTools. I used it with good results so you could give it a try.

i have a problem with a duplicate:
every time i softreset i have a new duplicate of tmail.exe. how can i avoid this?

varvocel said:
For those who deleted to much from notification queue and their PDAs don't synchronize - there is "Recreate ActiveSync" feature in SKTools. I used it with good results so you could give it a try.
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Good advice, but if you follow this HOWTO correctly then it won't break ActiveSync. The repllog.exe entries are required by ActiveSync to work so just don't delete those (although you can safely delete 1 type of repllog.exe entry - see above)
LordDeath said:
i have a problem with a duplicate:
every time i softreset i have a new duplicate of tmail.exe. how can i avoid this?
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tmail.exe is Pocket Outlook, sounds like your version may be a little buggy. What OS are you using, WM2003(SE), WM5 or WM6? There is no tmail.exe entry on my HTC Universal running WM5. Check your Windows\Startup directory in file explorer, and if there is more than 1 entry of anything (especially anything that looks like tmail or outlook) then just delete the duplicate. What does this notification look like exactly, is there any other text besides "tmail.exe"?

Try SKtool Lite. Free and good to clean Notification Queues

sl9 said:
Good advice, but if you follow this HOWTO correctly then it won't break ActiveSync. The repllog.exe entries are required by ActiveSync to work so just don't delete those (although you can safely delete 1 type of repllog.exe entry - see above)
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Yes, I know that. Maybe I should write: if you unintentionally delete...
tmail.exe is Pocket Outlook, sounds like your version may be a little buggy. What OS are you using, WM2003(SE), WM5 or WM6? There is no tmail.exe entry on my HTC Universal running WM5.
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On my Artemis with WM6 there is no tmail.exe in NQ too, although I'm sure I saw this entry (maybe before upgrading to WM6).

Sian said:
Try SKtool Lite. Free and good to clean Notification Queues
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You could even buy full version. It's not so expensive and has unlimited free upgrades. They have unbelievable support. I wrote them 2 times and they send me advices after couple hours (last time it was Sunday
Good luck

Do you know what notification is this?
After soft reset I have always duplicates notifications (logs from SKTools):
Application: {635A02A8-E099-4E88-8797-2DDD7119C909}
Notify Type: 2
Event Status: 0
Event Type: 0
Arguments: (none)
Application: {635A02A8-E099-4E88-8797-2DDD7119C909}
Notify Type: 1
Event Status: 0
Event Type: 1
Arguments: (none)
Anybody knows from where are these entries?
Thanks

my ppc has windows mobile 6 with aku 0.3.0. i have looked a bit more:
a new tmail.exe duplicate is left into the notifcation queue every time, when my device automatically sends/receives mail for my pop3 gmail account. it was set to do it once a day and i changed it to manually and now i have no tmail.exe entries anymore.
but i have a new question:
i have five alarms for every day from monday until friday.
for each of this alarms i get a queue entry with "windows\clock.exe" and the correct time. so i have 5 queue entries for clock.exe.
but what does happen, when one of these alarm is ringing and i press "dismiss"? should it create a new entry for the same day in the next week immediately or does it leave only 4 entries in my queue?
because on my ppc it acts like in the last example:
the last time i deleted and added my alarms was last week on wednesday. so last week's thursday, friday and this week's monday is already gone. thuesday and wednesday from this week are left over and so i have only these two alarms in my notification queue.
will my ppc create new entries for the next week, if all the current alarms have been done, or should a new one be created immediately after an alarm has rung/rang/ringed, no idea ?
did you understand, what i mean? i ask it, because i don't know if my ppc has a bug or if it is working right.

I've setup SKtools to clean notification Queue every night while I sleep and so far my morning alarm has gone off as it should.
Embarrasing how M$ can deliver an os that can't even work reliably as an alarm clock...
(WM6 on Tytn)

jompao said:
I've setup SKtools to clean notification Queue every night while I sleep and so far my morning alarm has gone off as it should.
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I do the same, but there is one problem with this method - when NQ is corrupt SKTools will never run, because it is never called... On the other hand, when I've spoken with SK Software support yesterday they've told me they observed "not working reminders" problem only when there are about 100 bad entries in NQ, so cleaning it one a day should be enough.
Jompao - do you often use recurring reminders, have you third party today plug-ins like Pocket Breeze or SPB Diary? And how long have you your device?
jompao said:
Embarrasing how M$ can deliver an os that can't even work reliably as an alarm clock...
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I agree 100%. I'm sure people using Windows Mobile devices have significantly often heart attacks then others
Truly speaking I was seeking Symbian device for me only because NQ problems...

But why do they keep coming back?
Hi,
I've been using MemMaid to handle notification and alarm problems for a long time. I run it every night and at least once or twice daily, just to keep up with dupe notifications. I found the info in the first post of this thread extremely useful and informative and I learned a lot I didn't know about the problem. Many thanks.
But... after following the suggested procedure, the dupe notifications still keep coming back!!! Even before I could do the soft reset after resyncing the calendar with AS, 7 dupe notifications reappeared. Is this just another curse of the WM op system? Or am I the only one this happens to? And is there no permanent cure other than getting a new PPC device?

New version of pmClean
Hi,
There is a new version of pmClean here: http://www.pocketmax.net/_d/pmClean.arm.cab
Program has better cleaning algorithms and Autostart feature. I used 1.04 version and found it very useful so why not to try it (it's freeware - thanks PocketMax and especially Bruce).

Nehpets said:
Even before I could do the soft reset after resyncing the calendar with AS, 7 dupe notifications reappeared. Is this just another curse of the WM op system? Or am I the only one this happens to?
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Many people have issues with NQ (WM2003, WM5, WM6) so you are not the only one I stopped to synchronize my device with Outlook (actually I removed Outlook 2007 from PC - too many bugs for me) and now I have less problems with NQ.
Nehpets said:
And is there no permanent cure other than getting a new PPC device?
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Bad news - getting new Pocket PC is not cure - all three last Windows Mobile versions had issues with NQ. So getting new device could be a good solution, but device with other OS (Symbian?).

awesome info...here's another question...
i see some of the longer-range (5-6 weeks and more) events with the Notifications\NamedEvents folders...
however, the only ones in the near term listed are for later today...does it only work 1 day at a time? will it populate tomorrow's notifications at midnite?
thanks!

There is new (1.5) version of pmClean released - another improvements and autostart bug fix.

I'm glad some people have found this useful. Spring cleaning the notification queue can often save you having to hard-reset your device, and is a good idea even if you aren't having problems with it
One last thing about duplicate notifications: You don't need to clean these so often, once a day or more is probably overkill. I clean mine once every 2-4 weeks, which is enough to prevent any problems from reoccurring.
Also note that the advice in this thread will NOT "cure" the problem, it will not prevent duplicate notifications from happening in the future.

Notifications\Named Events\WLMScheduler_TimeChangeEvent
Notifications\Named Events\WLMScheduler_TimeChangeEvent
Anybody know if I can take this one out..Have no idea why WLM (which I think is Windows Live Messenger) should have anything to do with giving me a notification event.. Wondering whether I can take out . I rarely even use WLM Messenger to begin with!

Quick fix for alert problems
I wrote a small free application, that clears notification queue. It works fine for me. Can someone (who have alarm problems) run and check it as well.
Download
Thank you

Just tried your app, found 353 duplicate entry's or so.
Seems to be working fine so far after the Soft Reset.
I will have to wait till my next Alarm before I will know if it fixed my problem but either way, thanks for the app!
ActiveSync isn't broken nor does anything else appear to be broken.

Removing the system tray WM5 & WM6!!

ah ha amen!
I've searched for months for an answer to removing the system tray on WM5 & WM6
Edit your registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/ Software/ HTC/ Trayapplt
Export the Trayapplt string just to be safe you can merge it back if you change your mind.
Once exported delete the Trayapplt string completely and then soft reset your device.
System tray gone and the space is usable
Enjoy

You could have just removed the Init_Tray.lnk in the windows startup folder.

I afraid for most people that doesnt work as they dont even have that link file. I think the difficulty with the system tray is that different people have different circumstances. Some people can remove the int_tray link but If you search the web your'll see a lot of people desperate for a alternative method as they do not have this file on their devices.
It maybe the case that my method may not work for everybody but until someone produces a stable app to remove the system tray we'll keep searching for the best way individually to achieve this.

Sorry, didn't realize that that link didn't exist on all WM devices, but I haven't owned every device to know that. There are however programs that force the system tray such as DotFreds task manager and MyMobiler, etc, which even removing the Init_Tray.lnk doesn't fix because the icons will create their own system tray. Does your fix for it stop them from doing that? If it does, then I might just have to try your fix out for myself.

So far ive been running this setup for 2 days.
I use xcpuscaler which 110% uses a system tray icon whilst running. Ive also minimised many programs and the tray has never reappeared. Im not garenteeing this will work but I do know that its worked perfectly for me.
I hope this helps and if you export the reg as I sugested if the tray doesnt stay hidden for you for some reason then you can always merge it back

Hmm, my kaiser doesn't even have that key so I guess I'm out of luck there. I'm not sure if my wizard does or not, I'm working on cooking a new ROM for it and the ROM I have on it now is kind of messed up. I'll have to check it out when I get my new one cooked though.

fair enough, it seems to be very device related, im talking intensively to a strong programmer to try and sort out something permemantely.
Im running a XDA Orbit (Artemis).
Willl post any findings here
sorry it didnt work for you

Darren_Bridgeland said:
ah ha amen!
I've searched for months for an answer to removing the system tray on WM5 & WM6
Edit your registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/ Software/ HTC/ Trayapplt
Export the Trayapplt string just to be safe you can merge it back if you change your mind.
Once exported delete the Trayapplt string completely and then soft reset your device.
System tray gone and the space is usable
Enjoy
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that did the trick for me - thanks

Thanks, just joined today and i am now very happy with the fact this hack worked for me
Joined the forum chasing icons and now i think i wont be able to ever leave
Thanks again.....

No TrayApplt in my registry, unfortunately. Still can't figure out how to remove the tray bar on my Vario II (WM5) permanently. Whatever I tried, nothing worked to my satisfaction..
Edit: No Init_Tray.lnk either! Still looking for solutions, every solution is very welcome as long as it works...

Disable system tray for everything
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Hmm, my kaiser doesn't even have that key so I guess I'm out of luck there. I'm not sure if my wizard does or not, I'm working on cooking a new ROM for it and the ROM I have on it now is kind of messed up. I'll have to check it out when I get my new one cooked though.
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My Tilt doesn't have that key either. I don't use the tray, have it disabled, but Task Manager always creates it again, until I exit Task Manager.
My Wizard doesn't have that key either.

Programs I have found so far that may cause the system tray to appear:
- Dotfred's Task Manager
- My Mobiler
- Pocket Informer
- SOTI's Pocket PC Controller (or similar: I don't recall its name)
- SPB Pocket Plus
All of these can be made to not create a system tray through their respective settings or otherwise, I believe. Currently I have MyMobiler, Dotfred's, Pocket Informer and Pocket Plus installed, and I have no system tray on my Kaiser. The above registry hack didn't work for me.

[Q] removing programs - best way?

Hi - question from a WM newb.
[phone: HTC Fuze. Da_G 1.7 ROM]
What is the best way to remove programs?
I am aware there is a "remove program" function in the settings. Unfortunately, this seems to either:
a) be unable to remove certain programs
b) leave behind remnants of programs after it "uninstalled" it.
For example - I saw there was a google maps update out today which gives you street view. So I went to m.google.com/maps and installed it from there.
It seems to not have updated google maps at all which is what I was led to believe it would do but installed a whole new google maps (shows up as a "e" icon in my programs labeled "java". really annoying - what is that all about?).
I wanted to remove the old google maps and did so via the "remove programs" utility. It left behind the google maps icon which I just deleted from the windows/start menu/programs. I am left wondering though if I removed everything I could or if it left behind any mess that will slow and clutter my phone in the future?
I have searched and people seem to recommend SKtools to do this job. I was led to believe that it will do a better job but I am afraid it might mess with my registry - and registry tweaks seem to be the norm here (I've already done about a million).
Will SKtools leave my registry alone? Does it only remove registry enhancements that have to do with the program in question? Will altering even that mess with how other programs function? etc etc etc.
What is the best way to remove programs? (AND to remove programs that dont appear on the list like the "E" google maps thing)
thx much

the e icon is for the java emulator, the old version was a JAva one, this one is for Windows Mobile
that icon was created by Esmertic (the name of the java cemulator) for shortcut to Google Maps, else you'll have to go fireup the Emualtor first, then selct Google Maps from it
There are many tricks in SKTools, and yess it corrupts ur reg too, you just have to know what you doing..try PocketMechanic a shot too
hope this helps ya
Cheers

so is it pointing towards an online version of google maps or something, hence the reason why i cant find it to delete it in the first place?
thx

the one from "m.maps..." is a java version i guess, there is anew version in cab format here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=457376

awesome - thats what i was lookin for!
so if i delete that "e" icon will it be ok?

bpm2000 said:
awesome - thats what i was lookin for!
so if i delete that "e" icon will it be ok?
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Is it not clear to you that you have two totally different versions installed? You have a native WM app installed and the Java applet version?
Is that what this whole question revolves around??

no thats pretty clear now hehe:
-original question remains: what is the best method of removing programs (stock "remove apps" vs using a program like sktools), i guess wondering if there is sort of a general consensus when it comes to this. (like on a mac I always use appzapper vs just throwing the app in the trash)
-I installed the native wm version and I want to get rid of the java applet version but I am not finding how to remove that version since it doesnt show up on the "remove apps".
thx

Apart from the problem of the "Google thing icon", I was very interested about input on "how to remove programs properly"...
I too am annoyed with the builtin "remove program" function not being able to uninstall anything completely.
Any hint (beside deleting everything manually in registry and file system) ?
Thanks for your help.

mysterd said:
Apart from the problem of the "Google thing icon", I was very interested about input on "how to remove programs properly"...
I too am annoyed with the builtin "remove program" function not being able to uninstall anything completely.
Any hint (beside deleting everything manually in registry and file system) ?
Thanks for your help.
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i use ClearTemp for totally removing bad registry files. it's pretty usefull, and i dont see any unused icon in program menu

ingerasu said:
i use ClearTemp for totally removing bad registry files. it's pretty usefull, and i dont see any unused icon in program menu
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Thanks for the answer and sorry for being late replying.
I'll give it a try...
David