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I just got done reading a PM from someone who bought a used phone. And guess what they had on it, My Vanilla ROM.
Guys if you are going to sell your phones, please flash them back to factory. I dont think its smart to sell it with my rom or any other bleeding edge rom. These releases are still considered to be testing.
I understand your concerns and I agree...but I think that if we (as a community) are sharing ROM's...this is one of those things that is going to happen and we'll have to live with ya know...
agree with j3d1n4s7y (pain to copy out!lol)
and i agree with you nottoosmart.
if the seller didnt make it a selling point then, it shouldnt matter. but if the seller was saying 'oooo loooky here, wm6-rare!!!!!!buy me!' then the seller frankly is an idiot!
"What is the world coming to?" ?
Frankly, I don't see what the issue is. As long as the seller clearly indicates that the phone is running a third-party ROM, such as mUn's, then what's the problem? Undeniably, the person ought mention such information, but that's just an issue falling under the category of normal auction and commerce etiquette (i.e., that one should always disclose any major modifications made to a device).
Most people would be happy to get a phone pre-installed with mUn's ROM (regardless of what it's re-branded as). The functionality and stability of the mUn WM6 ROM you speak of are real and significant improvements over the OEM's ROMs.
This thread seems little more than public boasting.
cheers.
fluxist
fluxist said:
Frankly, I don't see what the issue is. As long as the seller clearly indicates that the phone is running a third-party ROM, such as mUn's, then what's the problem? Undeniably, the person ought mention such information, but that's just an issue falling under the category of normal auction and commerce etiquette (i.e., that one should always disclose any major modifications made to a device).
Most people would be happy to get a phone pre-installed with mUn's ROM (regardless of what it's re-branded as). The functionality and stability of the mUn WM6 ROM you speak of are real and significant improvements over the OEM's ROMs.
This thread seems little more than public boasting.
cheers.
fluxist
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much agreed
People are now SELLING the cooked roms...
Check out what I found on craigslist...
http://vancouver.craigslist.org/ele/294772477.html
not cheap either lool
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not cheap either lool
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I know... If I wasn't worrying about M$ getting up my ass, I'd sell your rom at a lower price than that guy and we can split the profits...
Selling cooked roms
OK, I guess I have to disagree with a lot of you folks here. I think it is a bad idea to sell cooked roms. The problem is with people who are new to pocket pc's and to WM5 and WM6. If you will remember, there is a learning curve to these devices, and the extra complexity of many cooked roms adds to the confusion. Also, where are they going to get help for their questions about WM6? or where do they turn to when their comm manager screen doesn't look like the one in the picture? Is the seller going to offer support? Likely not, probably they will refer them to this forum and they will end up PMing the rom chef indignantly, expecting their help.
Leave the stock rom in place. If you want to unlock the device, fine, but put it back the way you found it. That way the people who buy them know where to turn for support. (Microsoft, or the carrier).
Regards,
Make it Factory!
Heck even if you update to the original carriers latest rom, thats fine. You are doing the next guy a favor. But just think of it this way.
If you DONT flash it back to a factory rom, can you really be sure that you have removed all your personal info from the device?
Ever hear about the 100's of HDs that are bought and sold on ebay without being security wipped? Phone numbers, B-Days, eww its ripe for the identity thief.
If you have taken the time to unlock it and play with it, have the common courtesy to put it back to a carrier supported format.
btw Great rom there NTS
sellling cooked roms WTF?!
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sellling cooked roms WTF?!
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I second that!!!!!!
Here is another person selling on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...E:L:RTQ:CA:1&viewitem=&item=120106155132&rd=1
Updating Roms are great but they need support for what they have purchased.
lol i love it..some sorta powerseller this jackass is..
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Ok, let me state the issue with this......
I got 3 PM's through the forum about support of this. I know this sounds like me coping out on support, but I am not about to support someone who does not know anything or has not spent the time reading the posts here. Most of the PM's I get are from people who have done the research here and not just saying "BTW I bought a device with your ROM on it, can you help me do this or that"
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I got 3 PM's through the forum about support of this. I know this sounds like me coping out on support, but I am not about to support someone who does not know anything or has not spent the time reading the posts here. Most of the PM's I get are from people who have done the research here and not just saying "BTW I bought a device with your ROM on it, can you help me do this or that"
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I totally agree with this. Its very similar to the people that are seeing posts in PC Mag, and other places about WM6 roms for the wizard can be found here. They come here and start flashing before they even know what they are doing then start demanding (and yes I mean demanding) people to fix their phone they have now screwed up (I get numerous PM's from people that want me to be their personal support center and tell them step by step how to do things. Most of those PMs get deleted or I will point them to one of the how to threads and not answer further PMs from them. I'll continue to assist people that post in the forums, but am starting to ignore ones that its pretty obvious they haven't even tried looking before asking. I love the ones that ask for where to download a rom, and just a couple of posts above theirs is a link someone posted.
I know that you guys are getting flack from Microsoft, and I don't mind using something that they don't like. I don't mind voiding my Warranty either. (After all, I had to replace my HTC wizard's screen myself!) But is it legal to use a WM6 rom? I don't use pirated software, so I would avoid any Roms that have any, and I do like WM6.
But I'll ask it like this: Is installing WM6 like installing a pirated copy of XP on my PC? Or is it like modding Windows XP to do things similar to Vista?
Installing WM6 on a WM5 phone is the equivalent of installing XP on a machine that had windows 98 installed on it.
Yes, but in your example, was it a pirated version?
The reason I say this is because I've heard that the copy of WM6 that was first found was leaked from Microsoft. So then is it something that is legal?
Its a grey area. From my understanding, Microsoft released WM6 and gave phone manufacturers free upgrades to offer to customers. HTC intended to release them, but the carriers (AT&T and T-Mobile) chose not to so that they can push new phones on people who don't need them just so they can get WM6 (i.e. T-Mobile's Wing, which has the same power, features, etc as the Wizard, just a little thinner, a retarded blue color, and with WM6).
So I guess you can say, since WM6 isn't for sale, you didn't necessarily steal it, so its not illegal. Microsoft's main issue is the fact that cookers on this forum have taken WM6 and modified it to their liking, which they consider copyright infringement.
from my understanding, everyone paid already for it
Wares was sold, another are waiting to BE sold etc...
Grey area is what is working for they bills imo.
imagine whole process...since computer became home thing.
Are they poorer or richer now..?
Do we have to feel like sinners?
(i am not lawyer, you know..)
Then give me linux noW. For my Wizard.
Thanks for clearing that up! Now I don't feel bad about using it.
At Tech Ed, I cornered Microsoft's Pocket PC guy, and asked him the same thing. He also explained it for the same reasons up above.
He said Microsoft would have NO problem distributing the OS, except that they sign contracts with the carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T), and in those contracts, it says that they will give them the OS exclusively.
From a legal standpoint (I am not a lawyer), it seems like Microsoft has no problems distributing it, but if they did (or openly endorsed it), it would violate their contract with the carriers. Since I have no contract with the carriers, I have no problem using it.
Btwa -- The Microsoft guy also says that everyone here at xda-developers are bad-asses, and he reads the forum regularly.
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Btwa -- The Microsoft guy also says that everyone here at xda-developers are bad-asses, and he reads the forum regularly.
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meh meh, we all are here to learn
Beta testers
Yeah, I bet the watch the forum for tips and ideas, then claim the cred for it
Ford Motor Company is working with Microsoft to develop a "Sync" system for cars and trucks. Lets you connect your phone, ipod, usb drive etc. to the Cars entertainment center. They recently flashed a bunch of the vehicles at my shop, with the latest upgrades. I cmplained to the guy, about my Wizard not syncing. After the flash he came over and asked to try my phone. Not only did it work, it was capable of streaming to the the sync system. This was the first time they had it working in the field. The guy was so excited he made phne calls telling everyone about it!! He wanted to buy my Wizard!! I told him about how we make our own ROM's and stuff. And he asked me if I knew about XDA-Developers?! He tld me that get great ideas, and free programs from there!! So yes microsoft does use this site!!
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I know that you guys are getting flack from Microsoft, and I don't mind using something that they don't like. I don't mind voiding my Warranty either. (After all, I had to replace my HTC wizard's screen myself!) But is it legal to use a WM6 rom? I don't use pirated software, so I would avoid any Roms that have any, and I do like WM6.
But I'll ask it like this: Is installing WM6 like installing a pirated copy of XP on my PC? Or is it like modding Windows XP to do things similar to Vista?
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It's so illigal as hell!
Regards, Schmia
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Installing WM6 on a WM5 phone is the equivalent of installing XP on a machine that had windows 98 installed on it.
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I'm seeing it more like hacking an XBOX2 firmware on to an original XBOX. The PC analogy doesn't work because there are other OS choices that could be used - Linux for example. The hardware isn't dependent on the software and can be purchased sperately.
But the PocketPC is like the XBOX where the firmware only works on that hardware and they are sold together and can only come together. You can't get the hardware without the software and add it later.
I say it's a Grey area but I ran into a Microsoft Rep at a training class and he was running WM6 on his Cingular 8125 and was all proud of it until I showed him my K-Jam running the Touch FW.
-Mc
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come to think of it you would need a copy of the eula or any licence agreement with the os to actually know. Otherwise we are all guessing.
I looked at the license for my copy of WM5 and it did say it was only to be used with the device on which it was purchased and could not be rented, leased, or lent. But, yeah, I agree with Sandrobber.
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I looked at the license for my copy of WM5 and it did say it was only to be used with the device on which it was purchased and could not be rented, leased, or lent. But, yeah, I agree with Sandrobber.
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Here is amy view as to what we are doing. The issue is not Microsoft, but our carriers who take a base OEM ROM and play with it to push their services and we end up with a less than optimal phone.
I do not use pirated software on principle, but I use the ROMs we cook and host elsewhere( not in this board) because I have tried and cannot buy the OS from MSFT directly. So If we could buy the software and get service, updates and Service packs, I am certain we would all be willing to pay for it.
I have Microsoft development folks who come to me with issues in their devices and I point them here. They love what we do "unnoficially".
But I kid you not we are a threat to the carriers and they are the ones pressuring the vendor to try to shut us down...
Be on the lookout for the new FCC guidelines which are part of the bandwith spectrum sale. They will allow us the end user to use our devices with any carrier and install ANY software we want in OUR phones.
Just use it
Seriously who cares? Just use it buddy! We all do so many illegal things in life. Illegal things do not always amount to being a criminal like recording a TV programme which is ok with billions of people but criminal according to the FBI but then isn't everything illegal according to the FBI?
I was at a Tmo call center the other day working and a HTC rep was there preaching about the wing. I asked him if we will ever be offered a WM6 download and he told me that there is instructions on the internet of how to do it if I look around.
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It's so illigal as hell!
Regards, Schmia
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u're such a dumbass
As we all know, Windows mobile supported push email with certificate based authentication.
Apple have now released iphone 2.0 and I'm wondering whether they also support certificate based authentication for push email service.
Anyone have any source on this ?
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i would pretty much guarantee they are, it will probably even be better than windows mobile push email
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How much "better" can a push email service get? I get all my emails instantly through FlexMail in HTML with the IMAP server, always idle. Works very well, and the new design of FM is better.
Yeah, I'm actually going to retire my HTC Touch for an Iphone. Hands down, they where successful this time.
I'm not sure about this as this feature not stated in the official pdf. They only mentioned VPN certification based authentication is supported.
yes, v2 (beta at least) does support certificate authentication for EAS
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Yeah, I'm actually going to retire my HTC Touch for an Iphone. Hands down, they where successful this time.
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I was thinkin about it too, but unless you have AT&T, the difference in your monthly bill will shoot up quite a bit...
the iPhone 2 doesn't really have anything new besides push email and 3G... no new animations(which i believe cannot be customized) or even a new look of the phone overall... the interface looks identicle...
True its gunna be FAR more affordable than the old one, but if in 6-9 months WM7 will be released, i think i'll wait for windows' version of multitouch screen, which i am also POSITIVE will allow UBER AMOUNTS of customization!
good luck kproj, let us know how you like it. but without the ability to customize and make your phone way different than everyone elses, you'll just be "fallin in".
yeah, when I was deciding between a kaiser and a iphone, winmo won me over because I had a ppc, and the customization avaliable is amazing. But I don't use it too much as a business phone, my laptop is enough, so I don't know about your needs.
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yeah, when I was deciding between a kaiser and a iphone, winmo won me over because I had a ppc, and the customization avaliable is amazing. But I don't use it too much as a business phone, my laptop is enough, so I don't know about your needs.
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i have the same needs... winmo just gives you more... i guess it takes more to satisfy me
I asked the question about EAS for Iphone using certificate based authentication in an apple forum...
the answer was... NO the iphone is not able to manage EAS with certiifcate authentication...
If somebody knows how to configure it... Please help me...
specially "tmknight", he told in his post that was possible with beta version...
WOW!
Apple includes something that has been a part of Windows and its revolutionary?
I have a really cool gadget for sell. You plug it into any AC outlet and it blows hot air really fast! It can dry your hair in half the time! I am going to ignore the other folks selling items that are kinda' similar for $20 and offer mine for $299! If you feel like you are getting ripped off, take comfort in knowing that my hair dryer is really trendy and Pairs Hiliton owns 2!!
I read recently that the Iphone is not infact a true push email system. It uses IMAP with a very high poll rate so, if its true its in fact pull with synchro. This has also caused the apple fan club issues as it can take up to 15minutes for contacts/calender entries to sync up to the server.
btw, my mates done nothing but moan and ***** about his Iphone since 2.0 - reckons its buggy as hell. Thats some statement as he is a mad apple fan boy so if he's upset then it really MUST be bad!
and here we go: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/16/mobileme_not_pushing/
Email is managed through IMAP, and strictly speaking is pulled by polling the IMAP servers every minute, though that gives a reasonable impression of being pushed.
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I asked the question about EAS for Iphone using certificate based authentication in an apple forum...
the answer was... NO the iphone is not able to manage EAS with certiifcate authentication...
If somebody knows how to configure it... Please help me...
specially "tmknight", he told in his post that was possible with beta version...
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I do not use cert auth, but in speaking with my peer on our messaging team (spoke with him upon reading this thread way back) it is possible with Exchange 2007 - he stated he successfully tested it. Afraid I can't offer more.
@ojp,
Check this link
Maybe you'll have some answers to your questions.
Yeah I just ordered a new iPhone had my HTC Tilt for a while and well... I wasnt too impressed with WM. I do look forward and would love to be on a WM but one that works smooth would be a must.
All you guys leaving WinMo phones to go straight to the Iphone, I wish you the best luck, but I´m sure you will come back, after the Iphone-fever has passed and you realice that not too much can be done to PERSONALIZE your phone.
Anyway, it´s just my personal thougth and wish you the best luck!
Cheers
I've used my Tilt and I've used Both iPhones and for what I do the iPhone fits me better. Other HTC phones I like a lot more than the iPhone but I'm getting it at a 1/3 or 1/4 the cost of an HTC I'd rather have.
http://www.iphoneapps.org/
Thoughts on this software for customizing your iPhone?
WM beats iphone 2.0 ...
complex OS for smart people .. Simple OS for.. ok the other people.. not so smart
Hello to everybody.
After some time reading you as a visitor, I've decide to post my first doubt for you.
I have a Qtek S200 since 2 years, and it is the third PPC that I have. It is a slow process, but it works.
By other hand, after avoiding for a couple of years, finally I have accepted from my company a Blackberry device. That is a very nice device: the ball is useful, the GPS is also useful, and so on, BUT
I only want to have one device and I use some software SPB Finance that is necessary for my normal life. So There is no option to change the software. And, also, I use and I actually have words and excel made under WM5.
So, here is my question for the experts and experienced people:
What new device should I buy taking into account:
I only want one device, with windows mobile where I can run my current software and MS mobile files but with the ability to have Blackberry Entreprise running in it.
GPS is also wellcome, and more speed than my S200 also. keyboard is not a must, but is not a problem if the best one have keyboard.
The operator that I have now is Movistar (Spain) and we (my company) are going to change to Orange in the next months.
As an additional data, I'm not a complet useless in computers, but, I would like to save as much as posible my time, due to I do not have enough free time, so, fiability will be really appreciate.
Thank in advance for reading me and, more thanks if you can give me some advise about
HTC Rapheal my friend! Or Sony Erricson X1...both very nice. Not too sure about availability on your carriers, though.
Also, you have the option of Blackberry connect to connect your PDA to your company's Blackberry servers (if they let you of course). Then you'll have the best of both worlds.
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Also, you have the option of Blackberry connect to connect your PDA to your company's Blackberry servers (if they let you of course). Then you'll have the best of both worlds.
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Thank you both for your comments and suggestions. Raphael looks nice. I will wait until to have some real experience about.
Regarding the connection, that is exactly the think that I wanted to do. But, I'm getting worried about, because I would like to connect with the information that I have in the blackberry without any external petition to my IT department.
Do you think that could be possible?
Hi,
I need some information. How good is blackberry phone compared to recent Windows Mobile phone from HTC?
I absolutely know nothing about BB, never have one, never used one.
But I have some discussion with my friend who likes his BB very much. While on the other hand, I like my HTC Kaiser.
We have another friend who wants a new phone and asked us.
The rest you should know whats going on. I recommended those new HTC WinMo (HD, HD2, TD2, TPro2 ...), and my BB friend recommended some BB (BB bold, Gemini?).
I only know that BB user like to CHAT a lot using BB ... But thats it. And of course its corporate feature, like email, etc.
So, could you guys share your knowledge about this comparison?
Does BB has GPS? and application like TomTom?
Does the BB web browser any good?
I know probably their email client is better than WinMo?
What are the worse features in BB?
Thanks
They have good corporate e-mail and enterprise software options. You can check attachments, get onstant updates, etc. It is more secure concerning private data some people say.
It has the ugliest possible form factor for a mobile device in my opinion.
Good for journalists, businesses, etc.
HTC phones are far better for anyone else.