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AT&T "Tilt II" Touch Pro / Raphael Discussion

Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.

north american version has passed your ffc fcc? federal communication ...

kareem9nba said:
Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.
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99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM

AllTheWay said:
99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
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Well I don't know whether to be happy or said :S and i hope the X1 wont outperform it.

I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.
I will snoop around on my side and report anything to this thread with any positive news.

Lol, I would say they're that bad , however i can imagine them releasing it sometimes in Q4 (October-ish?) or early Q1 of next year.

I thought CDMA version is coming out first for Verizon. or was it for Sprint... I read it somewhere in Engadget or BGR.

this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.

Why does the US seem to get this stuff last? I blame it on the carrier cartel that refuses to adopt the mobile phone industry models the rest of the world has.

If the only experience with HTC i had was my wizard, I'd be all over the Raphael. I paid 588USD for the tilt (off-contract) and get the shaft from them. Now, I'm up for a phone upgrade, and I'd really, really like to get my hands on this device, but I don't know if I trust them anymore.
Still LOOKS kickass, though.

AllTheWay said:
99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
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well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond

Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.
Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)

M3XICAN5 said:
well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
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That hos nothing to do with it. Verizon, Tmobile, and all the US carriers can pick up the phone. Whether another carrier decides to pick it up or not doesn't mean that ATT wont.

M3XICAN5 said:
well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
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I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.
By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.

AllTheWay said:
I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.
By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.
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i have talked to a certain someone... might not have to wait a couple of days to prove this person wrong...

The Juggler said:
Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.
Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)
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there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!

shogunmark said:
there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!
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I would be VERY surprised if the Raph couldnt be sorted out like this, remember the Hermes didnt have necessary bands for telstra in AU which was eventually sorted with a hack to allow the necessary frequency to be used.
Details details people, if AT&T were going to use it i imagine the bands situation would be trivial, im sure they are going to carry it.

herg62123 said:
this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.
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Why would they call it a "Tilt"? The Touch Pro's screen doesn't tilt like the Kaiser does it?

lavalamp said:
I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.
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You and I can hope but I'm 98% sure you're right. Trends point to AT&T releasing this sometime next year, as to not disturb the X1 and without the front facing cam. Right now it seems like Sprint is going to get this first as they're getting the Diamond sometime in September.

OK well lets just say in a matter of days we shall see if AT&T WILL be carrying the Raphael..............or not.

buying Blackstone in the US

Hey there
a friend's dad is in Alabama... and I was wondering if anyone knows where he would be able to buy a Touch HD and a Touch Pro WITHOUT a plan.. i just want the devices.
I went to the HTC website and all shops are service provider shops.. it's really urgent as he's staying there for only 2 more days... and i don't know how this works in the US.. with the plans and all
thanks in advance

Hd isn't sold in the US, You can by a touch Pro outright though from a service Provider.
EDIT: Are you looking for the gsm version or cdma?

GSM.. for israel.
the HD isn't sold in the US AT ALL? or only in AT&T.. T-Mobile.. and so forth

No HD in the U.S.
nir36 said:
GSM.. for israel.
the HD isn't sold in the US AT ALL? or only in AT&T.. T-Mobile.. and so forth
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Nope we didn't get the HD at all, not a single service provider has one. You can get a Touch Pro from AT&T by paying $500 to buy it without a contract, but you'd have to unlock it.

att is gsm, i don't think tmobile has it yet (i know they are getting it though)
...and just about every other major carrier in the US is cdma

joel2009 said:
att is gsm, i don't think tmobile has it yet (i know they are getting it though)
...and just about every other major carrier in the US is cdma
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Yup your right, AT&T is currently the only GSM carrier in the U.S. that does offer the TP and like you stated above, all the others are CDMA.

You might want to check it out though, The AT$T Touch Pro is the Fuze. I think AT$T had HTC do some subtle changes to the TP to make it a Fuze. Ask NATF, he has a Fuze.

wait, what about a diamond with an SD card?

denco7 said:
You might want to check it out though, The AT$T Touch Pro is the Fuze. I think AT$T had HTC do some subtle changes to the TP to make it a Fuze. Ask NATF, he has a Fuze.
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Yeah, AT&T got the keyboard layout changed(for the better IMO, but each to their own) but other than that i think everything else is the same.
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wait, what about a diamond with an SD card?
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What?!?!? Is there a different version of the Diamond that supports SD cards?!?!

master athlon said:
Nope we didn't get the HD at all, not a single service provider has one. You can get a Touch Pro from AT&T by paying $500 to buy it without a contract, but you'd have to unlock it.
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That's what I did, my old man lives in the states and I got him to get a fuze on his contract and now use it here in Australia (it looks a little stupid with the AT&T logo on the front though )

master athlon said:
Yeah, AT&T got the keyboard layout changed(for the better IMO, but each to their own) but other than that i think everything else is the same.
What?!?!? Is there a different version of the Diamond that supports SD cards?!?!
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http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1365
Diamond with SD (400Mhz processor, but who cares)

What's With The Terrible CDMA Support?

All the U.S. Cdma carriers were late with the first wave of wp7 devices. I'm with Verizon and we didn't get the HTC Trophy until June. Sprint got HTC arrive a couple month earlier but by the time those devices were released in the U.S. they were already year old devices.
So 6 months later GSM is getting the roll out of the mango phones with front facing cameras and those of us with cdma arrives and trophies are looking with no signs of a cdma wp7 with a ff cam in sight. What gives?
How come HTC and Samsung aren't making cdma variants of their phones they give carriers and bringing them to cdma carriers? Like how they brought variants of the HTC touch pro 2 and the HTC evo to all the carriers?
Anyone else getting angry with the lackluster cdma support? Why aren't they launching more phones than just the ones that seemingly come out annually?
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My bet is that Sprint and Verizon are effectively done with bringing CDMA phones to market and they don't want a new phone unless it is an iPhone or 4G (LTE and/or WiMax).
I expect Verizon phones once LTE support hits with Tango.

It'll be spring.

I, for one, am really happy VZW got a 3G WP7 phone. I am in an area that prob will get LTE in the LAST phase of any roll out (we got 3G in Oct 2010). I was also able to get it before the end of unlimited data.
What is killing me isn't carrier support, but hack support. I would love to developed a ROM for the HTC Trophy, but I have the CDMA Verizon version, and it has yet to be unlocked.
I know part of this is that the unlock devs are in China and do not have access to the CDMA Trophy.. but it seems no one wants to get together and buy/send them a Trophy CDMA to work on. :/
I know I can't afford it myself.. and for some reason the price has increased on Amazon Wireless (the phone alone was going for $388, now its $479)... but perhaps if a bunch of us chipped in we could send them one.

I have talked to mwang and cotulla and offered to buy them both Verizon trophies . They have both told me that they have cdma devices in hand and are currently testing .. I know it's taking a while , but the good news is that it IS being worked on . I want a DFT rom as bad as anyone ...hell id settle for interop unlock .. I suppose we just have to be patient .
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Well, it's good to know that its a work in progress. I just pray that the unlock will be based on the 7.5 rom.. many people got burnt by installing the demo rom... (well, maybe you could base it on the demo rom??). The only way to get rid of the demo rom was to install the leaked 7.5 rom (I was refused RMA because of the demo).
Oh well, if I have to go back to the demo just to unlock, I'll pray that is a workable option (many can't unlock after getting 7.5 roms).

Well, there simply are much less CDMA carriers in the world than there are GSM/UMTS ones. Given that Verizon and Sprint seem not to be too much into WP7 that explains why developing those devices is a low priority to the manufacturers.

It is a bit strange considering the Sprint Touch Pro/TP2 were the more popular devices back in the WM days then any of the other carrier devices. Now with the Arrive being almost a direct successor of the Touch Pro 2, you would think it would have gotten the same dedicated treatment, sadly, this is not the case. I do hope Sprint continues with the Arrive and whatever comes next has the same keyboard and a more refined design with the Titan like upgrades.
A 4" screen with the same keyboard, 1.5Ghz processor, and all the other Mango bells and whistles would be grand.

The most frank response is very simple:
The entire world uses GSM.
I know of all of two, maybe three countries where there are even CDMA networks. If I was making a phone, I wouldn't even be thinking about CDMA unless I was selling millions of units and expansion was easiest by using the inferior (whether true or not technologically, CMDA is inferior in a pure business sense) technology.

I know this is true too.
I can't wait for LTE to roll out and put Verizon on the same playing field as most of the world, but I also know that my area will likely be the last, even if it is being used as the primary example of how broadband internet needs to be pushed out to rural areas.
I mean, the other carriers in this area just plain don't care. Dial 16407 as the zipcode into the AT&T and Sprint coverage areas, and you'll see that neither has even got 3G up and running in this area.. let alone 4G! T-Mobile = non-existent.
I can't even get DSL on my outer rims road because Verizon (which just happens to be my land line provider) won't run DSL down it because of a massive farm that takes up the first 1/3 of this section of road!?!
Anyone who says "just move" is ignorant and should be shot.

wana purchase hp palm phone plz suggest which one?

i there
i had gifted him android phone few months back but he dint liked it
he told its complicated for my age
now i want to buy a simple and fluid webos phone for my old father
can u suggest which model should i go for
phone should b fast and fluid
i need a gsm unlocked phone
i need your suggestion

Pre 2 or Pre 3 if u ask me...Pre 3 might work out better because of its larger (and higher res) screen and keyboard. They should both be fluid enough for all tasks.

The Veer is also a good choice; the build quality is excellent, and is still speedy. 4g is also nice. And you can get one for $50 without looking hard. Small screen? Yes. Charger is odd too. But for a basic phone, it works well, and on a Straight Talk bring your own GSM phone, economical.

SIROSISOFLIVER said:
...on a Straight Talk bring your own GSM phone, economical.
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LOLz - I don't think they have Straight Talk in Bahrain where the OP is from.
Important for you is getting a European model - NOT North American - so that your comm board is compatible with the carriers in Bahrain.
Veer or Pre 3 might be a good choice to get 4G data speeds - but for ease of use with any GSM carrier and a more proven model go with the Factory Unlocked GSM Pre 2... Just my humble opinion.

Difference between Canadian and AT&T One X

So after reading the Engadget review of the One X, I've become intrigued with the differences between the Canadian and AT&T versions of the One X. Searched and didn't see anything referencing this directly. The article says LTE should work fine on both AT&T and Canuck networks.
So, besides saying HTC at the top instead of AT&T and I suppose having Rogers bloatware instead of the usual AT&T crap, is there any other difference?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/01/htc-one-x-for-att-review/

One big difference is the rogers has the ability to toggle lte off which is not the case with the at&t version
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E.Cadro said:
One big difference is the rogers has the ability to toggle lte off which is not the case with the at&t version
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The moment we have a ROM granting that functionality, I am flashing. I do not live in an LTE area
First world problems....
Also, another difference is the ability to tether freely. Not that I use this feature. However, it would be nice.

I believe the AT&T model lacks the ability of a LTE on/off toggle, tethering and a few optings in the camera like time lapse (I think there might be one othere, not sure though).
I think most things we will be able to rip out of the International model or the Rogers model and cram them into the AT&T version. Also, Im sure custom roms will add all of these features back in.

Red5 said:
I believe the AT&T model lacks the ability of a LTE on/off toggle, tethering and a few optings in the camera like time lapse (I think there might be one othere, not sure though).
I think most things we will be able to rip out of the International model or the Rogers model and cram them into the AT&T version. Also, Im sure custom roms will add all of these features back in.
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Sounds good. Well I pre-ordered like most of you and see mine has shipped. Can't wait until tomorrow!

Is there any PHYSICAL difference to the exterior of the AT&T version? Are the phones identical apart from CPU and software?
Cheers!!

nimrod77 said:
Is there any PHYSICAL difference to the exterior of the AT&T version? Are the phones identical apart from CPU and software?
Cheers!!
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isnt the hardware identical? just att has locked some features including the bl...
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nimrod77 said:
Is there any PHYSICAL difference to the exterior of the AT&T version? Are the phones identical apart from CPU and software?
Cheers!!
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cpu's are the same, all hardware is the same.. only difference is software...

Will the ATT LTE work if we put the SIM into the Roger version

leletyM3 said:
Will the ATT LTE work if we put the SIM into the Roger version
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Yes, it will, I have a Rogers One X and used the micro sim from the AT&T One X in it. But the trick is getting them to add the LTE data plan to your account. If you already have an AT&T branded LTE device, then you shouldn't have a problem. But good luck getting them to add an LTE data plan to your account if you don't. They insist on using IMEI numbers now to determine which data plans you can add to the account. Your best bet is to borrow or buy a cheap LTE AT&T phone, get your data plan switched to an LTE one, get a micro sim, get them to activate it on your non-micro sim device ,and then switch the micro SIM to your Rogers One X.
It is possible, just a PITA.

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The AT&T version of the One X has a snapdragon dual core processor as opposed to the international version that has the Nvidia Tegra quad core processor. This is due to the Tegra processor not being compatible with LTE .http://www.att.com/onex/
Does anyone know if the external measurements of the two One X's are the same?
Thanks guys

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Yes, it will, I have a Rogers One X and used the micro sim from the AT&T One X in it. But the trick is getting them to add the LTE data plan to your account. If you already have an AT&T branded LTE device, then you shouldn't have a problem. But good luck getting them to add an LTE data plan to your account if you don't. They insist on using IMEI numbers now to determine which data plans you can add to the account. Your best bet is to borrow or buy a cheap LTE AT&T phone, get your data plan switched to an LTE one, get a micro sim, get them to activate it on your non-micro sim device ,and then switch the micro SIM to your Rogers One X.
It is possible, just a PITA.
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I am currently on the Unlimited iPhone Data plan, and they switched me over to the LTE Unlimited Plan with an LTE IMEI. I might buy the One X from Rogers Unlocked.
Thanks for the above info, all I wanted to know if the LTE was working.

nimrod77 said:
The AT&T version of the One X has a snapdragon dual core processor as opposed to the international version that has the Nvidia Tegra quad core processor. This is due to the Tegra processor not being compatible with LTE .http://www.att.com/onex/
Does anyone know if the external measurements of the two One X's are the same?
Thanks guys
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Between the LTE ones yes. International and LTE ones are different

Both the Canadian(Rogers) One X and US(AT&T) One X are the Same Device other than the sofware running on it, and the lithographed branding under the glass at the top (one say's htc, the other AT&T printed backwards on the underside of the glass)
Both are the PJ8310000
If there was a variation in the hardware one would have a different digit in this number
like the Telus DHD and Inspire 4G for example
both same device, different housing (for branding) <- why it got the different number
Telus DHD was PD9814000 and the Inspire 4G was PD9812000 (International was PD9810000)
THE CANADIAN AND U.S. ONE X'S ARE THE EXACT SAME DEVICE.
THEY ARE INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN AS THE 'ONE XL'
THE ONLY THING DIFFERENT IS THE SOFTWARE ON IT.
(that includes software customization, rf channel configs, dz data, etc...)
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E.Cadro said:
One big difference is the rogers has the ability to toggle lte off which is not the case with the at&t version
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when you guy's get root, you'll be able to swap the services.jar, services.apk and get the same thing for yourselves.
ps: other than the boot/down annimations - being pointed to by ../CID/default.xml, the 'scene' addidion/layout in ../MNS/default.xml (both the customize folder), and carrier apps, the rogers rom is vanilla.

I'm not familiar with the Rogers software. I'm in the US and eyeing a Rogers version, if I were to get one from say Negri, does it have FREE wifi hotspot?

Not in an LTE area
mikelebz said:
The moment we have a ROM granting that functionality, I am flashing. I do not live in an LTE area
First world problems....
Also, another difference is the ability to tether freely. Not that I use this feature. However, it would be nice.
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From what I have seen, when you are not in an LTE area the LTE is disabled and doesn't kill your battery. It's still be nice to have a toggle though.
For tether, why not just root and use WiFi Tether?

differences.
Hi XDA members n mods and devs! hehe
so I have a really disturbing question and I want to be very2 careful when I buy The HTC one X
my biggest question is how to know if the HOX is AT&T or International version? does it have some kind of logo or something?
second does the AT&T and International version have differences in terms of internal memory?
thanks and please reply quickly? I'm planning to buy this phone next week.^^

GeekaPhone said:
Hi XDA members n mods and devs! hehe
so I have a really disturbing question and I want to be very2 careful when I buy The HTC one X
my biggest question is how to know if the HOX is AT&T or International version? does it have some kind of logo or something?
second does the AT&T and International version have differences in terms of internal memory?
thanks and please reply quickly? I'm planning to buy this phone next week.^^
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AT&T version is dual core, international is quad core. The AT&T version has 16 gigs of storage whereas the international version has 32.

Do you want a AT&T One X in particular or just a Evita from North America?
Rogers, Telus and such all have the same phone but have less restrictions.
Also you could buy an Evita from many places in the world but you need to take care with what LTE frequencies it supports. If you are in NA you should buy a NA phone.

GeekaPhone said:
Hi XDA members n mods and devs! hehe
so I have a really disturbing question and I want to be very2 careful when I buy The HTC one X
my biggest question is how to know if the HOX is AT&T or International version? does it have some kind of logo or something?
second does the AT&T and International version have differences in terms of internal memory?
thanks and please reply quickly? I'm planning to buy this phone next week.^^
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System Settings > about phone > hardware information
Should say at the top Dual Core or Quad Core. Dual Core is the AT&T, Rogers, Telstra One XL.
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