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AT&T "Tilt II" Touch Pro / Raphael Discussion

Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.

north american version has passed your ffc fcc? federal communication ...

kareem9nba said:
Wish us ATT users can know if it's going to be picked up or the x1 :\.
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99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM

AllTheWay said:
99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
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Well I don't know whether to be happy or said :S and i hope the X1 wont outperform it.

I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.
I will snoop around on my side and report anything to this thread with any positive news.

Lol, I would say they're that bad , however i can imagine them releasing it sometimes in Q4 (October-ish?) or early Q1 of next year.

I thought CDMA version is coming out first for Verizon. or was it for Sprint... I read it somewhere in Engadget or BGR.

this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.

Why does the US seem to get this stuff last? I blame it on the carrier cartel that refuses to adopt the mobile phone industry models the rest of the world has.

If the only experience with HTC i had was my wizard, I'd be all over the Raphael. I paid 588USD for the tilt (off-contract) and get the shaft from them. Now, I'm up for a phone upgrade, and I'd really, really like to get my hands on this device, but I don't know if I trust them anymore.
Still LOOKS kickass, though.

AllTheWay said:
99% sure this device will be on AT&T. Some prominent member informed me that they have a AT&T touch pro ROM
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well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond

Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.
Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)

M3XICAN5 said:
well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
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That hos nothing to do with it. Verizon, Tmobile, and all the US carriers can pick up the phone. Whether another carrier decides to pick it up or not doesn't mean that ATT wont.

M3XICAN5 said:
well im 100% sure its not
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
tmobile ftw along with the diamond
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I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.
By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.

AllTheWay said:
I will prove you wrong in a couple of days.
By your analysis that means the T-Mobile in the USA would have the MDA Vario III which they don't.
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i have talked to a certain someone... might not have to wait a couple of days to prove this person wrong...

The Juggler said:
Isn't the Raphael/ Touch Pro missing the GSM 850 freq? I thought AT&T uses GSM 850/1900.
Seems like it's made to be a T-mo device. (GSM 900/1800)
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there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!

shogunmark said:
there is a rumor that the missing band can be enabled by a radio firmware upgrade!
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I would be VERY surprised if the Raph couldnt be sorted out like this, remember the Hermes didnt have necessary bands for telstra in AU which was eventually sorted with a hack to allow the necessary frequency to be used.
Details details people, if AT&T were going to use it i imagine the bands situation would be trivial, im sure they are going to carry it.

herg62123 said:
this will be called tilt II for at&t. this is a rumor i heard from a friend from at&t wireless side.
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Why would they call it a "Tilt"? The Touch Pro's screen doesn't tilt like the Kaiser does it?

lavalamp said:
I can only assume, AT&T will need to have their own "uniquely named" device and not the vanilla Touch Pro the rest of the world will enjoy. This in itself will add 6 months to any official release date of the Raphael in North America. I hope I'm wrong.
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You and I can hope but I'm 98% sure you're right. Trends point to AT&T releasing this sometime next year, as to not disturb the X1 and without the front facing cam. Right now it seems like Sprint is going to get this first as they're getting the Diamond sometime in September.

OK well lets just say in a matter of days we shall see if AT&T WILL be carrying the Raphael..............or not.

3G PDA phone for Tmobile USA

Hi,
I am on Tmobile USA currently and waiting for it to launch 3G in my city. Reports suggest that it will do so on Oct 1. Do you have any information about what kind of PDA phones with 3G support will it launch?
Alternatively, what kind of PDA phones out there will be able to utilize 3G on Tmobile in USA? I am currently looking at buying Touch Diamond, but don't think that it will be able to use 3G on Tmobile USA.
thanks for your input.

here's a prior thread on the same question...maybe some info there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2428865

galaxys said:
here's a prior thread on the same question...maybe some info there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2428865
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thanks for the link, however that thread is old and doesn't have any information about what PDA phones can be used! thanks anyways

yeah, it's hard to get a straight answer from t-mobile! I just called the store and they said 3G is aproved for my area (Las Vegas)...but they are waiting on the new devices for it? They said one would be the google android, some blackberys, bla bla... They are not going to get many customers with that 3g bandwidth, since all current ppc's will not work.

The HTC Touch Pro work with ATT's 3G?

I almost bought an HTC Touch Pro today from a vendor and the guy who was selling it said AT&T's 3G would work on it, that theres a program to install that allows it? now to me this doesn't make sense.. Is it possible to get 3G here in the states on AT&T's network with the HTC Touch Pro? Is there a program? flashing it? please let me know. thanks

ACMilan07 said:
I almost bought an HTC Touch Pro today from a vendor and the guy who was selling it said AT&T's 3G would work on it, that theres a program to install that allows it? now to me this doesn't make sense.. Is it possible to get 3G here in the states on AT&T's network with the HTC Touch Pro? Is there a program? flashing it? please let me know. thanks
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no. just buy the fuze when it comes out
only 550 retail

ACMilan07 said:
I almost bought an HTC Touch Pro today from a vendor and the guy who was selling it said AT&T's 3G would work on it, that theres a program to install that allows it? now to me this doesn't make sense.. Is it possible to get 3G here in the states on AT&T's network with the HTC Touch Pro? Is there a program? flashing it? please let me know. thanks
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Don't buy...getting hustled (though who cares about 3G...this phone rocks)

Touch Pro Differences: Unlocked, Verizon, Sprint, AT&T

What are the diffrences in the branding
for the three USA carriers
Verizon
Sprint
AT&T Fuze
Which is the most untached?
Which the most crippled?

Pinguino1 said:
What are the diffrences in the branding
for the three USA carriers
Verizon
Sprint
AT&T Fuze
Which is the most untached?
Which the most crippled?
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Without a doubt the Verizon version is the most crippled. They cut the RAM to 192, CPU is slower and took out the accelerometer. Plus it costs more.

where is everyone getting this "verizon took out the accelerometer" crap?

cellulararrest said:
where is everyone getting this "verizon took out the accelerometer" crap?
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One of the main stream gadget blogs posts about it, but I looked on HTC's site regarding the Verizon version and looks like that part is still intact. Everything else though still stands.

Pinguino1 said:
What are the diffrences in the branding
for the three USA carriers
Verizon
Sprint
AT&T Fuze
Which is the most untached?
Which the most crippled?
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Uhhh, you are atempting to directly compare the 'crippleness' of an AT&T or "unlocked" GMS phone to CDMA models?
For starters, you'd best declare that you are aware that CDMA devices are absolutely LOCKED to their branded carrier --- unless a third-party carrier is willing to accept another's device. Unless one is content with their carrier that may certainly be crippling status of a phone.

Keystone said:
Uhhh, you are atempting to directly compare the 'crippleness' of an AT&T or "unlocked" GMS phone to CDMA models?
For starters, you'd best declare that you are aware that CDMA devices are absolutely LOCKED to their branded carrier --- unless a third-party carrier is willing to accept another's device. Unless one is content with their carrier that may certainly be crippling status of a phone.
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Hi Keystone,
Of course I know the differences of GSM and CDMA technologies.
What I'm attempting is to compare features added or removed from the the original HTC. LIke I'm aware AT&T changed the keyboard layout.
Do you know what other features have been modified by those carriers?

tribalmunky said:
Without a doubt the Verizon version is the most crippled. They cut the RAM to 192, CPU is slower and took out the accelerometer. Plus it costs more.
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I believe the CPU still the same. I read somewhere a guy posted wrongly that it was a 400mhz. As far as specs, it is still the MSM201A 528MHZ.
I haven't seen the Sprint one, but apparently is the more intact of all.
I had in my hands the Fuze in an AT&T store, the Keyboard has a numbers pad ovelaying the alpha keys. But I verified it has accelerometer but slow or unresponsive
I think actual verizon, sprint and AT&T owners can tell what changes were made to their devices.
If I ever decide to go for one of those I don't want surprises.

Is the one coming out on Verizon include all those people and the dude with a clip board following you around, or did they remove that too?

HTC Touch ProVS US Touch Pro/Fuse/Sprint/Verizon
The Unbranded Touch Pro as you would Call it Has Dual Cameras For Video Confrencing And has No Bloatware Like Us Versions of the phone meaning there's no Network Software loaded on the phone other then HTC Apps.Now Some of the US Versions of the Touch pro Are A little Different First being none of the us Versions Have Dual Cameras as Video Confrencing is not on Any Us Network at this time But i did post a app called ivisit that is real Video Confrencing you can download on xda Search www.ivisit.com But Anyways..lol The Att Version of the Touch pro AkA Fuse Is just like the HTC Version keyboard layout was changed And the Soft touch Back was Droped The Sprint Back of there Touch pro They Diden't Even keep the Diamond Shape Back its All Smoth And Red So you See us networks Try not to change the phones to much but Somtimes they End up Droping alot of Features IE Verizons Version of the Touch pro Not kool What they Did to that phone....lol Att by far Has it right on the money With the Fuse Just no Soft touch back.......So now you see OH And Htc Version is not US 3G yet

nucentury08 said:
The Unbranded Touch Pro as you would Call it Has Dual Cameras For Video Confrencing And has No Bloatware Like Us Versions of the phone meaning there's no Network Software loaded on the phone other then HTC Apps.Now Some of the US Versions of the Touch pro Are A little Different First being none of the us Versions Have Dual Cameras as Video Confrencing is not on Any Us Network at this time But i did post a app called ivisit that is real Video Confrencing you can download on xda Search www.ivisit.com But Anyways..lol The Att Version of the Touch pro AkA Fuse Is just like the HTC Version keyboard layout was changed And the Soft touch Back was Droped The Sprint Back of there Touch pro They Diden't Even keep the Diamond Shape Back its All Smoth And Red So you See us networks Try not to change the phones to much but Somtimes they End up Droping alot of Features IE Verizons Version of the Touch pro Not kool What they Did to that phone....lol Att by far Has it right on the money With the Fuse Just no Soft touch back.......So now you see OH And Htc Version is not US 3G yet
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I assume there's some information in there somewhere...hmm

Pinguino1 said:
Hi Keystone,
Of course I know the differences of GSM and CDMA technologies.
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Ahh right, sorry...just on this forum some are very confused when concerning CDMA.
The Telus & Bell releases are spot-on the same as the internal hardware of the Sprint model. The exterior just isn't the red -- flat black smooth battery covers instead.

HELP Buying Touch Pro for Australia

I live in Australia and I'm thinking about buying a Touch Pro from USA since it seems cheaper. I was wondering is there anything I have to look out for that might stop it form working here. Eg. Network issues.
I'm thinking about this one

Hi,
The phone in the link operates on the CDMA network, you'll want the GSM version (the one that uses a simcard). It is also network locked and will need to be hacked/unlocked.
Very cheap though...

Thanks
Some of them say A & T service required for some of the features. What does that mean?

you don't really need to "hack" it. just get someone to create your unlock code for you. you can get it here on xda or even ebay. I believe olinex can provide you the unlock code for a price. I can gaurantee that these guys here at xda are very helpful so dont' worry about that too much.
you should think about what band your provider in aus is using.
Good luck!
EDIT: those "features" are ATT specific and you can make those disappear. check the links on "unbloating" your phone. It's pretty annoying but it does not do anything for your phone if you don't use ATT's network. Check out the thread on flashing for beginners. Read it carefully and if you have questions, be very specific.

Thanks for the help. I been using a jasjam (hermes) with a flashed rom but the hermes is in bad condition so thinking about getting a new phone.

Dood, I'm in Aus and also upgraded to Touch Pro from JasJam.
A warning. You will not get Telstra NextG video calls. The touch pro does not operate on Telstra's band. Just in case you were/are a Telstra man...
Also, you should be able to ebay a cheap as new unit in Australia... I've seen many go for under $300.

A brand new phone for less that $300???
What are you searching "HTC touch pro"?

Touch Pro or Fuze in Australia?
Mate, check the 3G/UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA frequencies used by your provider!!!
The TP AND the Fuze will work AS PHONE in almost any GSM network (beside some Asian countries i.e. Japan) since they are 4 band GSM devices. However, using the benefits of high speed data aka 3G you have to check which band your provider is using. AFAIK Telstra is using 850/1900 which matches the ATT US network while t-mobile and the std. TP use 900/2100. IF you are with Telstra get a Fuze and it will work. People here in the US buy the HD (not offered here in the US by ATT) in Australia to operate it in the US network.
Good luck and don't get screwed.