Hi everyone,
I have a refurbished ATT TILT (my 4th TILT), and the warranty is over, so I would like to entertain the idea of flashing some cooked roms to my phone. There are so many posts about the ROMS and how to do it and I just have a few questions:
1. What is the best ROM to use on a locked ATT TILT? I have not unlocked my TILT and don't really have a need to, so what are my options for a good ROM to use (NON ATT).
2. What software is best to use to flash a ROM from Windows Vista? I've seen several tools available and would like to know what the different opinions are on which one to use.
3. Is there anything else I should know about flashing a cooked ROM on a locked ATT TILT? I'm new at this so any advice would be helpful.
Thanks
Best I can tell you is read these threads even if they don't pertain to you at the moment and read the stickies and the wiki listed at the top. tells you everything, from what is a good radio to flash to what rom, what apps, etc. all there for the taking!
Absorb! absorb like a sponge!
thisbejoe77 said:
Hi everyone,
I have a refurbished ATT TILT (my 4th TILT), and the warranty is over, so I would like to entertain the idea of flashing some cooked roms to my phone. There are so many posts about the ROMS and how to do it and I just have a few questions:
1. What is the best ROM to use on a locked ATT TILT? I have not unlocked my TILT and don't really have a need to, so what are my options for a good ROM to use (NON ATT).
2. What software is best to use to flash a ROM from Windows Vista? I've seen several tools available and would like to know what the different opinions are on which one to use.
3. Is there anything else I should know about flashing a cooked ROM on a locked ATT TILT? I'm new at this so any advice would be helpful.
Thanks
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It's all about taste, check every link that has a ROM and look into the screenshots, all the ROMS on this section works on your tilt of course you have to install HardSpl first. Check also this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362987
#1 is use hard spl (as they said above)
#2 verify the radio you have is compatable with whatever ROM you choose.
i just installed dutty's v4 with radio 1.27.12.11 and the ROM is great. the different radio ver (i had 14.09 before i think) is much much better as well. I'm almost 2x better reception with the radio (or its all in my head LOL)
as a noob to this site myself i can understand you are overwhelmed, but take a day or so and READ all you can; including how to recover from a bad flash (read: hard button combo for boot loader) and some issues ppl have with certian rom's.
good luck!
Read the stickies...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=356895
I am new, recieved my Tilt 3 days ago and have flashed 2 roms already. It is really easy once you understand the basic steps.
1) Flash HardSPL (mine went to the solid white screen, it freaked me out but the sticky that has the fix works and is easy to do).
2)Choose your ROM, if you have AT&T, I suggest you look at one that has an AT&T version, it takes care of alot of the manual setup for you. (Alex's and Q-MObile have AT&T versions) I am using Q-Mobile 1.2 and am loving it.
3)Add any extras you want. So far I have added GoogleMaps, HTC Home, TotalCommander (registry editor).
So I used hardspl v1 and then flashed dutty's wm6.1 hybrid v2 rom to my tytn. Everything went well and it is working fine but I wanted to try out some other roms. Do I need to do anything in particular before trying other roms. I've been doing research and can't find any information on what to do now. Do I need to hardspl again before I flash another rom? Thanks for the help, I realize that its a noob question.
SharpieMarker said:
So I used hardspl v1 and then flashed dutty's wm6.1 hybrid v2 rom to my tytn. Everything went well and it is working fine but I wanted to try out some other roms. Do I need to do anything in particular before trying other roms. I've been doing research and can't find any information on what to do now. Do I need to hardspl again before I flash another rom? Thanks for the help, I realize that its a noob question.
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No. You do not need any additional process before you flashing to another ROM.
Hard-SPL is just a safety procedure that ensure your Tytn II not to be a brick when you flashing ROMs. Since you've got a Hard-SPL, there's no need to flash another one unless the old Hard-SPL has some bugs.
ss1271 said:
No. You do not need any additional process before you flashing to another ROM.
Hard-SPL is just a safety procedure that ensure your Tytn II not to be a brick when you flashing ROMs. Since you've got a Hard-SPL, there's no need to flash another one unless the old Hard-SPL has some bugs.
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Awesome. One more noob question. If I want to flash a rom that has a radio included that is a lower version than the one I have currently what do I need to do? Remove the radio from the rom or will it flash without issue?
If the ROM includes a radio, it will overwrite whatever you currently have. So no need to do anything else.
SharpieMarker said:
Awesome. One more noob question. If I want to flash a rom that has a radio included that is a lower version than the one I have currently what do I need to do? Remove the radio from the rom or will it flash without issue?
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you just flash the new rom with the radio... if u dont like the radio you can always flash the radio you want later on.
noob question, sorry but this is my first ever flash and im confidant i can do it
basically i want to unlock my phone to work with other sim cards im on orange uk stock rom but i want to use other sim cards, even if its just to check ones i find around my house
i picked up instructions from here
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361039
in this it tells me i need to flash the phone with the radio again once i finished but ive checked threads and theres only htc roms and atnt roms and cooked ones
ihave rom version 1.81.61.2 wwe adn radio 1.27.14.32
What rom do you want? you can use a cooked rom just fine with your phone.... Or you could used the generic HTC rom.
Did you register for the HTC club? if your phone is HTC branded you can usually download roms right from there.
double posting you should be ashamed of yourself
Yeah, you really should be flammed... Cause I commented on the other post too...
jayjay8585 said:
... in this it tells me i need to flash the phone with the radio again once i finished but ive checked threads and theres only htc roms and atnt roms and cooked ones ..
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This is because the 'unlocking' process is specific to a particular ROM i.e. install a ROM that can be unlocked, then replace the 'unlock-ROM' with the original ROM or one of your own.
Not all ROMs are available, so searching for a copy of your original ROM to re-install is beneficial if you wish to keep the original on your phone (warranty etc blah blah blah).
PS. There is nothing wrong with the 'unlock-ROM' if you wish to keep it on the phone.
i should ashamed but im not, since this post has slight differences to the one in geberal and besides i needed a fast answer and theres more people here
jayjay8585 said:
i should ashamed but im not, since this post has slight differences to the one in geberal and besides i needed a fast answer and theres more people here
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just follow the instructions to unlock the phone ( by flashing the patched radio) then once it is unlocked flash a different ROM. ( Dutty's or the new Throttle ROM, best one so far. Looks COOL!!! and runs great too.......lol ) Once you step away from the HTC ROMS the Kaiser is in a world of its own. So much better with a cooked ROM compared to a branded one. No contest....
yeah but i cant find my radio anywhere its 1.27.14.32 and now spl wont flash
jayjay8585 said:
yeah but i cant find my radio anywhere its 1.27.14.32 and now spl wont flash
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just flash a newer radio after you unlock. Should work OK...... a lot of the cooked ROM's have preffered radios anyway.
The way I did it:- First flash HardSPL, then unlock phone using instructions, after complete decide which cooked ROM to flash and its corresponding preferred radio. The result: works like a charm, no problems....
see that the thing ive done my device just the wae i want but the sim unlocker needs my origional radio and i cant get it
and now my hard spl wont work after the dos bit does its business in loads up kaisercustom ruu or summit and this nees an activsync connection but the stepss on the first part of the hardspl thingy render the phone in bottloader and the activsync icon grey
I've read the wiki article about SPLs, located here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
What is the difference between Flashing and installing?
And I've a few clarifications to make. There was this note that says "You should never use a SoftSPL to flash a full ROM to your device. You should only use them to flash a new SPL and once the new SPL is on your device, then flash the ROM! This is why you need to extract the SPL and flash it first and then once it is "HARD" on your device you can flash the ROM."
From what I understand, a SoftSPL cannot be used immediately until the SPL is extracted first, then flash it, then flash the ROM.
Then why not provide 2 things, the extracted SPL and the ROM, rather than both in one, and thereby create the need for the warning in the article?
Sorry if I sound like a noob, cos I really am!
Thanks!
ferns_mccanus said:
I've read the wiki article about SPLs, located here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
What is the difference between Flashing and installing?
And I've a few clarifications to make. There was this note that says "You should never use a SoftSPL to flash a full ROM to your device. You should only use them to flash a new SPL and once the new SPL is on your device, then flash the ROM! This is why you need to extract the SPL and flash it first and then once it is "HARD" on your device you can flash the ROM."
From what I understand, a SoftSPL cannot be used immediately until the SPL is extracted first, then flash it, then flash the ROM.
Then why not provide 2 things, the extracted SPL and the ROM, rather than both in one, and thereby create the need for the warning in the article?
Sorry if I sound like a noob, cos I really am!
Thanks!
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Think of it in PC terms, installing is downloading a program Adobe Flash or
Itunes ans installing it on your hard drive. Flashing is like going from Windows XP to Vista, you are replacing your operating system.
Generally , anything installed will get erased after a hard reset, anything flashed will survive a hard reset.
Generally the spl's are extracted from the roms already and are available in the forum to flash to your phone. Once your phone is flashed with Hardspl there is no need to flash a new spl for every rom.
Stock roms come with a new spl for every version, cooked roms do not contain an spl. There fore your phone must be flashed with a hard spl prior to flashing a custom rom.
Some say that when flashing a cooked rom that you should , for performance sake, flash the patched spl (hardspl ) that came with the rom that the cooked rom is based on ie: 3.56hard for roms that are based on AT$T 3.56.xxxx 6.1 roms or 3.34hard for 3.34.xxxxxx WWE based roms. I personally have seen no " hard " evidence of this. I have always used 3.29Hard whether I was flashing stock or cooked roms.
For more info, Dave has a nice thread on this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498320
Further clarification about ROMs
Thanks for the reply, I think I'm understanding all these a bit more.
Another thing to clarify:
Basically, my phone comes with PAPAGO, a navigation software pre-installed. In other words, after a hard reset, it's automatically installed. So if I do a ROM upgrade, does that mean I won't have this software anymore?
Thanks!
ferns_mccanus said:
Thanks for the reply, I think I'm understanding all these a bit more.
Another thing to clarify:
Basically, my phone comes with PAPAGO, a navigation software pre-installed. In other words, after a hard reset, it's automatically installed. So if I do a ROM upgrade, does that mean I won't have this software anymore?
Thanks!
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That is correct, you will not have it anymore, unless the new rom includes it.
but im pretty sure there is a program to install from a sd card to newly flashed rom. so if the navigator software is on card then you could do this
Recently, during testing TCP experience a symptom that also confirms my past experience. The most recent one I had was one of the network I connect to (I have 3 SIMs) having issue. This issue is gone after I did an OEM flash & hard reset before flashing again custom ROM.
I'm trying to understand better, thus starting this thread for all seniors and chef to educate us 'flashers' and 'noobs'
Firstly, it was said that Kaiser has different structure that actually flashing OEM before custom ROM is not needed. On Hermes, it's needed.
Question What is the primary differences that requires this?
Secondly, based on TCP's post, it seems that there're some leftover behaviour from previous ROM and hard reset does not take it 100% away. From forensic computing, we know that some data is not totally overwritten and can be recovered using special tool.
Question
Our phone does not use the special data recover tool for sure, but why that behaviour occurs?
When it occurred (in TCP's case), was the setting correct but the behaviour went against the setting, or the setting was incorrect due to the leftover and the behaviour conforming the incorrect setting. Which one?
Flashing OEM: there're so many version of OEM, each has it's own 'flavor'.
Question
What is so different from going direct from custom ROM (which is not bloated, and should perform better) to another custom than going OEM first. And if OEM is flashed, how many times it actually being needed (flashes, hard reset) to ensure its 'clean'?
What is the criteria of 'clean'?
If I bought my Kaiser in Asia, should I go with AT&T stock OEM or it's better to use HK WWE?
Should we go through whole route (SPL, Radio, OS) or just the OS?
I hope by raising this, we can understand our phone better and have a safer flashing experience
anagarika said:
Recently, during testing TCP experience a symptom that also confirms my past experience. The most recent one I had was one of the network I connect to (I have 3 SIMs) having issue. This issue is gone after I did an OEM flash & hard reset before flashing again custom ROM.
I'm trying to understand better, thus starting this thread for all seniors and chef to educate us 'flashers' and 'noobs'
Firstly, it was said that Kaiser has different structure that actually flashing OEM before custom ROM is not needed. On Hermes, it's needed.
Question What is the primary differences that requires this?
Secondly, based on TCP's post, it seems that there're some leftover behaviour from previous ROM and hard reset does not take it 100% away. From forensic computing, we know that some data is not totally overwritten and can be recovered using special tool.
Question
Our phone does not use the special data recover tool for sure, but why that behaviour occurs?
When it occurred (in TCP's case), was the setting correct but the behaviour went against the setting, or the setting was incorrect due to the leftover and the behaviour conforming the incorrect setting. Which one?
Flashing OEM: there're so many version of OEM, each has it's own 'flavor'.
Question
What is so different from going direct from custom ROM (which is not bloated, and should perform better) to another custom than going OEM first. And if OEM is flashed, how many times it actually being needed (flashes, hard reset) to ensure its 'clean'?
What is the criteria of 'clean'?
If I bought my Kaiser in Asia, should I go with AT&T stock OEM or it's better to use HK WWE?
Should we go through whole route (SPL, Radio, OS) or just the OS?
I hope by raising this, we can understand our phone better and have a safer flashing experience
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i don't have answers for all your questions, but i know for myself since i have a tilt, i flash the stock att rom before i flash a cooked rom, and the stock rom i've been flashing is the full .exe that has spl and radio with it. i feel that the rom your phone comes with should be your rom to flash before flashing a cooked rom and thats why i flash the att rom and not the htc rom on my tilt. Seems like i have alot less troubles when doing this. heres what i do with my tilt:
1.)flash stock att 6.1 rom
2.)tap screen when prompted
3.)hard reset
4.)tap screen/then do the screen alignment
5.)let the customization process do its thing
6.)after it's done and reboots i do another hard reset
7.)flash custom(cooked) rom
8.)tap screen when prompted
9.)do hard reset
10.)tap screen/then do the screen alignment, and i proceed from there with installing my aps and all.
this has always seemed to yield great results for me
msd24200,
That's what I do nowadays, after several times having issue and more convinced after reading TPC's experience.
However, the technicality (how the chipset is being written, what's the 'ghost effect' is being handled by hard reset) etc. intrigues me and perhaps by understanding this, a lot of newbies will 'listen' (as I didn't ) until more flashing started showing funny symptoms
Flashing the stock ROM using the Ship.exe will use the Stock RUU instead of the custom one, so this will also Hard Reset your phone as part of the Flash.
I can't see any reason why a stock ROM would help, where a Hard Reset would not.
Ta
Dave
DaveShaw said:
Flashing the stock ROM using the Ship.exe will use the Stock RUU instead of the custom one, so this will also Hard Reset your phone as part of the Flash.
I can't see any reason why a stock ROM would help, where a Hard Reset would not.
Ta
Dave
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Dave,
Your response basically answers my last question in another way. To 'stretch' the argument further, how many cycle of hard reset it's required to make the phone 'clean' and load the latest ROM properly?
(Actually, what happen to the phone, the internal drive and the XIP chip by doing hard reset .. ?)
anagarika said:
Dave,
Your response basically answers my last question in another way. To 'stretch' the argument further, how many cycle of hard reset it's required to make the phone 'clean' and load the latest ROM properly?
(Actually, what happen to the phone, the internal drive and the XIP chip by doing hard reset .. ?)
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Just one AFAIK. As I said, the CustomRUU's we use, don't do a Hard Reset (so your phone isn't wiped when flashing Radio's / SPL's / Splashes). So you have to perform one manually, this should clear any remaining data?
Did I post this link for you to look at before? There's a bit of discussion with stepw on this.
Dave
This is what I learned/understand, the Hermes has an extended rom. This ex. rom gets written to as you use your phone. Flashing a new rom does not over write this ex. rom because not all custom roms come with a written extended rom. So information from the previous rom is left on this extended rom. The only way to clean the extended rom is to flash the OEM rom first, and then the custom rom. Thereby cleaning the extended rom and allowing phone to write new info to the extended rom.
So on the Hermes, if the custom rom comes with an extended rom, there is no need to flash OEM first. If it doesn't, then you need to flash OEM first to avoid freezes and Spontaneous HR's.
The Kaiser does not have an extended rom so there is no discernible reason to flash OEM first. I never do (except on that rare occasion where I am flashing from a new chef and he insists, in his instructions. ) I have flashed over a hundred times, and can count on one hand how many times I have flashed OEM first.
Interesting. I have the HTC RUU, I think I'll start using that to flash ROMs, and use the Custom for radios and SPLs. I'm curious if that will make a difference in needing to flash a stock ROM...
personally, I've never had an issue with just flashing a ROM (no hard resets or stock rom or anything). If I find a ROM I like, I just download it and flash, that's it.
mbarvian said:
personally, I've never had an issue with just flashing a ROM (no hard resets or stock rom or anything). If I find a ROM I like, I just download it and flash, that's it.
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I have had to do hard resets for other various problems but none were due to a "bad" flash. I find a rom i want to play with and flash it
Flashing stock before TPC's Elite helps me out a lot. Prior to that, I never bothered with hard resets, and never really had an issue.
DaveShaw said:
Did I post this link for you to look at before? There's a bit of discussion with stepw on this.
Dave
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Dave, no, you didn't .. but thanks that you do .. especially this post is very enlightening. That's exactly what I'm looking for, the understanding of how the hardware being written/overwritten, that should answer the need of flashing OEM or not before custom and if hard reset is required.
Thanks for all that has responded ..
I flash at least 10 times a day, and have never flashed OEM ROM or did a HR after flash!
I never did the OEM thing before either, until I flashed TPCs ROM and had very strange issues. Hard reset (few times!) didn't clear it up either, only after I went back to OEM ROM (ATT for me) and then flashed TPC did all my weirdness clear up.
Perhaps it hasn't been needed before, but maybe going to 6.5 has some special conditions? Or something about the way TPC built his ROM?
Or maybe it's the fact that flashing the OEM includes the Radio so there's some extra stuff being overwritten that doesn't with a custom ROM.
Or perhaps it was just the phase of the moon combined with the low sunspot activity.
curwiler said:
I never did the OEM thing before either, until I flashed TPCs ROM and had very strange issues. Hard reset (few times!) didn't clear it up either, only after I went back to OEM ROM (ATT for me) and then flashed TPC did all my weirdness clear up.
Perhaps it hasn't been needed before, but maybe going to 6.5 has some special conditions? Or something about the way TPC built his ROM?
Or maybe it's the fact that flashing the OEM includes the Radio so there's some extra stuff being overwritten that doesn't with a custom ROM.
Or perhaps it was just the phase of the moon combined with the low sunspot activity.
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I'm going to try his next ROM with the HTC RUU, to see if that makes a difference at all. I think that this will all get worked out in time. I don't really want to flash stock first, mainly because I'm too impatient to start playing with a new ROM lol. I will if necessary though, only takes a few extra minutes.
anagarika said:
Dave, no, you didn't .. but thanks that you do .. especially this post is very enlightening. That's exactly what I'm looking for, the understanding of how the hardware being written/overwritten, that should answer the need of flashing OEM or not before custom and if hard reset is required.
Thanks for all that has responded ..
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Anagarika, you started one of the best threads I've seen since being a member. You started with very logical and good questions which are worthwhile to pursue. Your timing is perfect for me as I was trying to think of an approach that would be fruitful. I would encourage you continue to be logical and methodical to get to the answers. Real answers!
If you haven't already considered it, let me mention that it was implied that the flashing tools have limitations... no disrespect to the author is intended in my comment, but while everything he says may be true, the fact is the same tool is used to flash OEM and stock ROMs. So perhaps it was just an FYI for us all or I just didn't get the point.
This is a REAL issue. Before starting up on this board again, I used the previous kit and did my own ROMs and used other ROMs, with my tilt and blah blah. Sorry, not 10 times a day though... yikes dude! This week, when I started up again trying to revive my tilt, it hit me right away with OEM ROMs. So, I downloaded 6 OEM ROMs and the stock ROM. Because of the mood and the mode I was in, I was only looking for success and not experimentation and thus I don't have exact data. But, I can tell you that once I used the stock ROM a couple of previously "problem OEM ROMs" are working.
For me this important information should be used to find out why and how it can be improved..... That is of course if the developers want to continue to develop.
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...the fact is the same tool is used to flash OEM and stock ROMs. So perhaps it was just an FYI for us all or I just didn't get the point...
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Yet Dave said:
Dave said:
Just one AFAIK. As I said, the CustomRUU's we use, don't do a Hard Reset (so your phone isn't wiped when flashing Radio's / SPL's / Splashes).
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I take that to mean that the tool isn't exactly the same. There is a difference.
Now, the real question, for me (since I don't understand these things) is this:
Is there any difference, large or small, in a hard reset on the phone and the (I think) task 28 command issued by the OEM RUU? Dave? Anyone?
SoberGuy said:
Yet Dave said:
I take that to mean that the tool isn't exactly the same. There is a difference.
Now, the real question, for me (since I don't understand these things) is this:
Is there any difference, large or small, in a hard reset on the phone and the (I think) task 28 command issued by the OEM RUU? Dave? Anyone?
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No.
Ta
Dave
SoberGuy said:
I'm going to try his next ROM with the HTC RUU, to see if that makes a difference at all. I think that this will all get worked out in time. I don't really want to flash stock first, mainly because I'm too impatient to start playing with a new ROM lol. I will if necessary though, only takes a few extra minutes.
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I theory it shouldnt make a difference. I rarely use RUU as I know I have fried a MB cuz of that (I am sure I had something to do with it as well)! And had an expensive brick!
gadgetologist said:
For me this important information should be used to find out why and how it can be improved..... That is of course if the developers want to continue to develop.
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Exactly my point. I didn't want to dilute TPC's thread as he's doing a wonderful job and his thread should be about his ROM
To put it another way is that:
Do we know what exactly being done on our device memory (XIP, NAND, etc.) during a ROM flash, during a Radio flash, during a HR, etc.
By knowing what's happening, we know better what approach to take. For example, most cooked ROM is sized 50-80 Mb (newer ones). Those OEM's are usually about 100Mb. I guess by flashing OEM, it overwrites a lot of the space left behind by previous ROM. However, in my view, flashing custom that has smaller size will have some parts of OEM left over (using space only as comparison). This might be useful if all chef's do the cooking based on OEM and bugs hunting also based on OEM first. This will give almost a 'standard' benchmark against which all other bugs are troubleshot.
I suggest (to myself too) to re-read the thread Dave pointed, especially the post I remarked. I've not yet understood fully what it really means, so I'll do a re-read.
As a side note, I came from UIQ/Symbian before .. and it was discussed they used NAND while WM uses XIP .. (which I don't quite fully grasp also) .. and there's such thing as format internal drive and flashing OS too.