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[Q]3G on the HTC Raphael/Touch Pro

Is the HTC Touch Pro able to work on U.S 3G band , if not is there a radio patch that will activate the U.S band on the device. Please help.

This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl

Bxsteez said:
This is a very hot topic on this forum but so far from what i've been able to see none of the radios have enabled 3G. This is not to say that 3G isn't supported by the hardware although its looking pretty grim. It appears that the ELITE team is working on this since they just released Hardspl
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We shall see what happens, although the bands are available in the "band" settings tab so it MAY be a radio issue.
Bit early to know yet, as there is only one user here so far who has hold of an AT&T Fuze (RAPH11000) we dont have a huge ammount of detail yet.
Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?

I really wish i could help out on this 3G front but no 3G in my area...

I can help...
mrvanx said:
...Both the newer 1.02.25.31 and 1.02.25.19 radios seem to have similar protocols (same QCT_BOOT and HTC_BOOT), it would be good if any user could flash the (apparently) older 1.02.25.11 radio and see if it does anything?
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I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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I've installed the radio 1.02.25.11 and no luck with 3G in US ATT. only edge support.

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I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.

technillion said:
I have the 1.02.25.19 radio here in Chicago. I know I have good 3G coverage from my TyTN II that I had previously. But why would you think the OLDER radio (1.02.25.11) would have U.S. 3G? ...jus curious.
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Its bundled with the AT&T ROM which is currently on the AT&T Fuze devices people are testing.
Higher radio version number doesnt necessarily mean a better one, as veterans of the Hermes will verify

The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.

Anyone know when AT&T sould release US version/ATT Fuze?

stpete111 said:
The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.

I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping

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Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.

jcrompton said:
I have a TouchPro coming tomorrow. I called HTC today and (although I have about as much confidence in this as the paper I wrote this on) I was told by a lower level tech (I think he knew what I was talking about) that a "software" upgrade would allow for the European 3G enabled device to work in the US for 3G
... I sure hope so since I forked out the cash today
The Treo 750 didn't even start out 3G capable at all and was made 3G able with a ROM upgrade
Hoping
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I sure hope that the HTC tech guy knew what he was talking about! Im want to know before 9/17 so i can either pre order the HTC dream with t-mo (current provider) or switch over to AT&T so i can (hopefully) use 3G with my touch pro

Don't take this the wrong way...
ausbj said:
I tried all the radios listed on the wiki too. None of them worked with 3G.
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...but can we ASSUME you DO in fact KNOW you have 3G coverage in the U.S. area(s) you tested these ROMs?
Not trying to upset or belittle your efforts...just had to ask.
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erikjonpeterson said:
Maybe a very stupid question, but what about openning up an eu version to see if the quad radio hardware is there? I would assume the radio chipset would be labeled and numbered so that we would know once and for all.
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I thought about this but cracking open a 900 dollar device and completely voiding the warranty really isn't worth it. If someone can get schematic from HTC which i doubt we could see if the hardware is installed.

stpete111 said:
The overseas Touch Pro cannot get 3G in the US. Just like the Diamond, the Touch Pro from overseas (RAPH100) does not have a WCDMA 850 radio.
Flash all the radios you guys want... it's not going to get you 3G on the 850 band. You'll have to wait for the US version/ATT Fuze if you're in the US and want 3G data.
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I believe there is an asian hardware version, this is what the HTC techs keep mentioning that might have the 850 3G radio.

I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.

mallman said:
I have a case into HTC support asking them to answer the question for me around if the radio is hardware capable of 3G in the US and explained what bands I was talking about and that it was in the software to enable those. I Posed the question as if I was unhappy that I was selecting these bands and it wasnt working to try to get an answer out of them will report back when I am answered one way or another.
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Just so you know - I sent a similar email to them regarding the 850 band on the Diamond and I was sent a very nice response informing me that the phone I purchased was not intended for the US and did not have the hardware capability to be used on ATT in the US. Low and behold the xda developers made the 850 band work. Now HTC offers a rom upgrade opening the 850 band they said was not in phone. Unfortunately the response you get will not be the definitive answer.

mrvanx said:
Until we have tested newer ROMs and radios that statement is pure speculation. MANY devices have had missing bands and etc...but have had them unlocked in ROM and Radio updates so it is too early to be writing off 3G support yet.
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I understand yours and others' reasons for not believing me or assuming it's speculation. All I can say is there will be a lot of effort put forth for no reason, just like with the DIAM100, only to confim that the hardware everyone is trying to unlock isn't even there. If the efforts put forth do nothing more than prove the above to be true, then at the very least people can rest more easily with full confirmation.

HTC touch pro with US 3G network....

Hello,
I've been seeing in the flee market lots of HTC touch pro (not fuze) that claim to work with North American 3G networks. Are they not telling the truth? I thought that HTC touch pro does not do 3G networks in North America? Or is there another version of the phone that works? I'm talking about HTC touch pro and not the fuze or any other version of the phone.
Thank you.

Allegedly, there are Touch Pros made for the American market.
A websearch will reveal the specs - then all you have to do is lite up the phone and compare to see if it will work in US.

since there is no way of trying the phone since I want to buy it online, is there another way of telling if the phone works on north American 3G network or do I have to take the words of the seller?
Thank you

iamcanadian said:
since there is no way of trying the phone since I want to buy it online, is there another way of telling if the phone works on north American 3G network or do I have to take the words of the seller?
Thank you
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Ask them for the phone's Model ID. RAPH100, RAPH110, etc.
Once you have the Model ID, you can verify if it supports US 3G.

NotATreoFan said:
Ask them for the phone's Model ID. RAPH100, RAPH110, etc.
Once you have the Model ID, you can verify if it supports US 3G.
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oh ok thank you
However which model supports US or Canadian 3G? I looked at the Raph_Specs in the wiki and I only found specs for Raphael 800 and Raphael 100; not 100/110. Plus I thought that the HTC Touch Pro has only two versions: the Raphael 100, which is GSM, and the Raphael 800, which is CDMA
Thank you again

iamcanadian said:
oh ok thank you
However which model supports US or Canadian 3G? I looked at the Raph_Specs in the wiki and I only found specs for Raphael 800 and Raphael 100; not 100/110. Plus I thought that the HTC Touch Pro has only two versions: the Raphael 100, which is GSM, and the Raphael 800, which is CDMA
Thank you again
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The Fuze is RAPH110. Once you find out the Model ID, post it here and I'm sure someone can tell you for sure.

RAPH 110 is the fuze i believe

ok so in conclusion, there is no US or Canadian 3G unless its a fuze... Those that claim to have a touch pro that works on North American Network are scammers. and I'm only talking about the HTC touch pro that has only the HTC logo and no carrier logo. Correct???

iamcanadian said:
ok so in conclusion, there is no US or Canadian 3G unless its a fuze... Those that claim to have a touch pro that works on North American Network are scammers. and I'm only talking about the HTC touch pro that has only the HTC logo and no carrier logo. Correct???
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A US 3G-compatible Touch Pro may exist. Once you know the Model ID, post it here, and someone should be able to confirm if it will work.

Touch pro
People there is no us 3g version of the Unbranded Touch pro Yet point Blank And FYI The Fuse And Unbranded Touch pro Are the Same phone Just Fuse has no Front Camera And Soft Touch Back other then that The Fuse is the Touch pro Same Speeds And Specs If you Flash the Oem Touch pro unbranded Rom to the Fuse And unlock the Sub Sid Bam there you Go Plus Fuse is Better We have Us 3g and World Wide Hsdpa Hell if i want a Front Camera I will pull out My TyTN II ....Lol

There is the the Diamond Touch (not the Pro) that is compatible with North American 3G. I saw it on www.mobileplanet.com I called HTC direct and confirmed that there is not a North American version of the Touch Pro Other than the Fuze. The will tell you that the Euro Touch Pro has the GSM support but not the 3G.

NotATreoFan said:
Ask them for the phone's Model ID. RAPH100, RAPH110, etc.
Once you have the Model ID, you can verify if it supports US 3G.
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How about the HTC Touch 3g T3232? I just bought one and i'm having problems accessing the internet through AT&T...

I need to know so I can decide>>> orignal pro & FUZE

I keep reading on this forum and websites the last 5 days and I'm getting tired from this. I need someone fulfill me with an answer that will let me decide between the original HTC touch pro and the ATT FUZE.
I know some differences between them like
1. FUZE has not front camera
2. different keyboard layout (I like the orignal more the FUZE)
3. fuze has PTT button extra
4. the cover back on the fuze is shiny like the diamond; the original pro is dark black (which I like more than the shiny one)
5. the big difference between the prices (which is I do not care about)
HOWEVER, my question is if I bought the original unlocked HTC Pro the Europe version or north American (don't know what the difference), will it work in US with AT&T network as good as the Fuze? (I mean with the data connection e.g. 3G, GMS, UTMS, Tri and quad band, etc)
I need someone to help me so I can decide, please...
Thanks in advance..
Bassil

i would assume it'll work in all locations... i bought my tytn2 in kuwait and it works on at&t 3g in the states and tmobile 3g in the states, also worked on 3g in bahrain, qatar, afghanistan and kuwait

I've been thinking of the same thing... The biggest benefit is the big price difference between the Fuze and the Touch Pro for me....
But, I'll be without bloatware from the get-go... And teh rubberized back is a nice feature.
Plus, I think the Touch Pro is packaged with earphones from the start...

jeez... guys it boils down to one thing; the original touch pro DOES NOT work on at&t 3G. everything else is skin deep. if you want 3g on at&t get the fuze

omaralt said:
jeez... guys it boils down to one thing; the original touch pro DOES NOT work on at&t 3G. everything else is skin deep. if you want 3g on at&t get the fuze
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Lol... well that solves my problem! Thanks for the info!

omaralt said:
jeez... guys it boils down to one thing; the original touch pro DOES NOT work on at&t 3G. everything else is skin deep. if you want 3g on at&t get the fuze
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you mean the original HTC pro does not support 3G????

bassil2022 said:
you mean the original HTC pro does not support 3G????
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It does, but it does not have the proper frequency for 3G on At&T network. It will work on at&t edge network. At&t uses the 1900 (850 band in select places)(down)/2100(up) band is how i understand it. So to get 3G speeds you need to be able to pick up both. The rest of the world uses 900(down)/2100(up).

keyboard
does anyone know if the fuze's keyboard can changed to original pro's?
because I don't like the way that ATT organize the buttons in fuze's keyboard. I like the pro's coz its like the laptop's keyboard and of course easier to use and faster.

bassil2022 said:
does anyone know if the fuze's keyboard can changed to original pro's?
because I don't like the way that ATT organize the buttons in fuze's keyboard. I like the pro's coz its like the laptop's keyboard and of course easier to use and faster.
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Thats subjective, I did not like it until I got it in hand and its much better having the symbols around the keys vs the numbers which I dont use often while typing. Especially since I use my thumbs vs my full hand.
There are different roms that have different files for the keyboard, and I believe you can remap some of it...how much I do not know.

The Truth
Here's The Facts The Htc Touch pro unbranded Has no us 3g The Htc Fuse Has us 3g The fuse has no front Camera The Uk Version has a Front Camera If you Dont want the Att Bloatware Crap you Can Flash the HTC unlocked Rom to your Fuse Now you have a Htc UK Version With us 3gb And your keyboard layout will be the Same as The Uk Version As Well Now So you can Turn your Fuse into the Uk Touch pro plus get us 3g And Get the keyboard layout And Save 300 Bucks more For the Same phone....you make the Smart Choice

blakkheartt12 said:
It does, but it does not have the proper frequency for 3G on At&T network. It will work on at&t edge network. At&t uses the 1900 (850 band in select places)(down)/2100(up) band is how i understand it. So to get 3G speeds you need to be able to pick up both. The rest of the world uses 900(down)/2100(up).
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Not really, 3G doesnt depend on two seperated frequency bands for bidirectional data/voice.
Some details of the bands used in the UK HERE, the 2100 band has always been 3G only, 900 for GSM (O2 and Vodafone), 1800 for GSM aswell (Tmobile and Orange).
Generally you only need two specific carriers inside the frequency band allocated to 3G so your mobile would transmit on (for example) 2101.1 MHz and the Base station would transmit on 2121.1 MHz. Its quite a poor use of frequencies to have such a huge gap between the two since you are lowering the bandwidth available on the lower frequency. I believe the gap between the two carrier signals (in terms of frequency) is the guard band??? Ive no idea what sort of bandwidth 3G would actually use overall but i would assume MHz rather than Khz (as with 2G) since we can cram 7.2Mbit down the line now using HSPA.

bassil2022 said:
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4. the cover back on the fuze is shiny like the diamond; the original pro is dark black (which I like more than the shiny one)
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Bassil
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FYI, You can get the Pro back for the Fuze http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455650

thanx
lulugirl896 said:
FYI, You can get the Pro back for the Fuze http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455650
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thanks man, you are the best
cover has been solved
keyboard>>>> still under the light (no solution)

nucentury08 said:
Here's The Facts The Htc Touch pro unbranded Has no us 3g The Htc Fuse Has us 3g The fuse has no front Camera The Uk Version has a Front Camera If you Dont want the Att Bloatware Crap you Can Flash the HTC unlocked Rom to your Fuse Now you have a Htc UK Version With us 3gb And your keyboard layout will be the Same as The Uk Version As Well Now So you can Turn your Fuse into the Uk Touch pro plus get us 3g And Get the keyboard layout And Save 300 Bucks more For the Same phone....you make the Smart Choice
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ummmmmmm sir I don't think I understand you. BUT, if you mean the HTC pro UK version uses 3G same as the AT&T frequency uses, you are wrong. I checked htc.com/UK and I didn't find one. Also, I checked the network coverage that UK use is 2100 for the 3G....
>>> here you go http://www.gsmarena.com/network-bands.php3?sCountry=UNITED+KINGDOM

I dont use data, so i could care less about the 3g. I would be happy to trade my fuze for a touch pro if anybody cares too, although the actual trade would be the hard part.

Question about radio chipset in Touch Pro and G1

Hey guys, I just have a quick question. Does the G1 and Touch Pro share the exact same hardware when it comes to radios? If so, I would assume that the chipset in the Touch Pro would be capable with the Tmobile 3G bands but it just needs the proper drivers for it to work. I had the G1 but sold it because Tmobile wouldn't allow me to use my $6 data plan on the G1, or any other plan than the G1 data plan. I now have an HTC Fuze and am looking for any way to get 3G Tmobile data access. It doesn't seem like many phones out there has the Tmobile 3G bands. And also, it seems like the Rhodium is coming to Tmobile with the 3G bands and was wondering if anyone had access to the Rhodium radio firmware could flash the Touch Pro and see if it enabled the 3G bands for Tmobile.

AFAIK, flashing an at&t FUZE ROM (and radio) to a Touch PRO doesn't bring up at&t 3G speed at all.

Gsm or not?

I want to buy this phone on ebay but I have a couple of questions.
I live in CHile so I need the quadband gsm vercion.
1) Can anyone tell me what carries use this? just to make shure, I cant exacly take the sellers word. For example I say a nextel for 300 bucks (about). The seller clames it works world wide.
2) Is the unlock software available already?
Sorry found it!
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone? I have seen some that look very diffrent, are they exacly the same just different color. What really looks different is the keyboard.
Thanks

fernandosaez said:
3) is the fuze and the raphael the same phone?
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They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.

rmcknight said:
They are the same phone. There are GSM and CDMA versions of this phone.
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Just to clear something up,
FUZE = GSM this version of the phone released by ATT on their US GSM network (only North American 3g version)
RAPHAEL = TOUCH PRO (both GSM and CDMA)
You will want to find out what frequencies your carrier uses for GSM and 3G (they will tell you, or look it up) and get the Raphael that suits your needs
Currently in the GSM iteration there is the FUZE, which works with North American 3G and the Touch Pro which will work with Euro/Asian 3G.
If you post your ebay link (or PM me or somebody) we can tell you for sure

thanks...much clearer! Searching..searching