Hey,
I just watched the video comparison by pocketnow, and I was stunned how much slower the TP was than the Sony X1!
It's actually kind of worrying. Considering the similarity of the hardware, what could be the cause for this?
Now that TF3D can be ported to the X1, does that make the X1 the preferable device? I was really hoping to be happy with a subsidized FUZE, but I hate rotation speed sluggishness.
Could this be fixed by firmware? Or, more importantly, will it?
I have some questions just like, plus my Touch Pro disapointing me, it's too expensive to have so much bugs, problems, lags, I'm really dissapointed, i wanna get back to my old school SonyEricsson W810i (Sony ...).
I wish they will make a software update (in english and french language), to fix ALL of this!
i've had my TP for 4 days and already I'm praying for a god-damned update.
soft-resets just to keep **** running acceptably is a pain in the wang. (and yes, i do check my task manager to make sure i don't have half a dozen different thing's going)
Um. Flash new rom?
I'm not sure what you mean by slower rotation. If you mean the Gsensor rotating the screen then you can adjust the timeout of the rotation.
I think it is set to 200ms by default. So if you rotate TP there is always the 200ms delay. I've changed it to 40 and the rotation is almost instantenous now.
HTC uses always second class hardwares, but sells its products with first class prices.
where is it possible to adjust the timeout mate? sounds like a plan to me.
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where is it possible to adjust the timeout mate? sounds like a plan to me.
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I used the Advanced Configuration Tool for this. Another possibility is to adjust it in Gyrator.
alright, i'll have to have a look into it properly next week after exams, cheers for the tip.
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HTC uses always second class hardwares, but sells its products with first class prices.
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That comment made no sense whatsoever. Are you saying the Touch Pro is slower than the Xperia because it's made by HTC? Why don't you take into consideration that both phones are manufactured by HTC, so your comment is completely irrelevant to the discussion.
but the x1 doesnt have the g sensor or accelerometer. Can someone confirm.
Hemant said:
but the x1 doesnt have the g sensor or accelerometer. Can someone confirm.
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That's the truth, the only way to rotate is by mapping 1 of the buttons to screen rotation or opening the keyboard.
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I'm not sure what you mean by slower rotation. If you mean the Gsensor rotating the screen then you can adjust the timeout of the rotation.
I think it is set to 200ms by default. So if you rotate TP there is always the 200ms delay. I've changed it to 40 and the rotation is almost instantenous now.
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Doesn't that affect battery life by reading the sensor data 5x more often?
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Doesn't that affect battery life by reading the sensor data 5x more often?
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Not really. At least I didn't notice any difference in battery life. I think the power consumption of the Gsensor is not very high in the first place.
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I'm not sure what you mean by slower rotation. If you mean the Gsensor rotating the screen then you can adjust the timeout of the rotation.
I think it is set to 200ms by default. So if you rotate TP there is always the 200ms delay. I've changed it to 40 and the rotation is almost instantenous now.
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To clarify, I think OP was referring to this 1-day old video by pocketnow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfBLsMl-yoI
I think OP also mentioned TouchFLO 3d on the X1, also shown in a fresh video by pocketnow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WA-DdszBo0
No, I meant the time it takes for the screen to rotate when the keyboard is extended. Since the X1 has no Gsensor, it's impossible to compare "auto" rotation speeds.
Check out the video here:
http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=6183
It's pretty bad when it comes to important apps like Opera. And I'm kind of stunned because they share the same hardware... except the video display. And one would think that the larger display would be slower -- not faster -- than the smaller one.
This leaves me back to thinking it's driver-related (i.e., firmware). But I wonder if this is truly software-related that can be fixed, or if there is a hardware accellerator in the X1 that gives it that great switch speed.
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I'm not sure what you mean by slower rotation. If you mean the Gsensor rotating the screen then you can adjust the timeout of the rotation.
I think it is set to 200ms by default. So if you rotate TP there is always the 200ms delay. I've changed it to 40 and the rotation is almost instantenous now.
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Thanks dogyo01. That's exactly right. I've updated my original post with the hyperlinks.
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To clarify, I think OP was referring to this 1-day old video by pocketnow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfBLsMl-yoI
I think OP also mentioned TouchFLO 3d on the X1, also shown in a fresh video by pocketnow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WA-DdszBo0
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LoL! That's funny. There's other things to consider IMO. Like the fact that the Touch Pro does have the g-sensor and it's running in the background. Also manilla and biotouch is running in the background. The person in the video says they both don't have any programs running, but what I'd like to see is how long it takes the X1's screen to rotate on those panels it uses
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HEy all
i was using my brothers iPhone earlier on and i couldnt help but notice how responsive his screen is to finger touches! is this something that is unique to the iphone (i.e hardware based) or is there anything to make WM phones that responsive?
Its due to the software being designed with animation in mind, and using graphics accelerators.
To get the same in WM would mean a rewrite of the whole UI basically, but 3rd party software can approximate it.
Surur
Actually it's the hardware too. on the iPhone there's no need for pressure (like on our PPCs). It's enough to touch the screen and it senses it.
Hardware. The iPhone uses an electrostatic like touchscreen while WM uses a pressure sensitive one. The good with the iPhone is that it's sensitive and you can have a hard screen (like the glass they use), but you can't use a stylus or do it with gloves on.
Good bumper sticker
WM USERS DO IT WITH GLOVES ON lol
You mean to tell me that the iphone has one theme,limited customisation and NO stylus?Have they heard of Calligrapher? Then again,guess thats why they call it the iPHONE.I get it now.
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You mean to tell me that the iphone has one theme,limited customisation and NO stylus?Have they heard of Calligrapher? Then again,guess thats why they call it the iPHONE.I get it now.
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limited customization for now!
they will start releasing the ability to use 3rd party apps. Currently, you have to hack through it, inorder to use 3rd party apps (that voids your warrenty)
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Actually it's the hardware too. on the iPhone there's no need for pressure (like on our PPCs). It's enough to touch the screen and it senses it.
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If you played with touchflo sensitivity on the kaiser etc you will see it does not take much pressure at all for touch to be sensed. Its the software which is more responsive.
Surur
I stumbled somewhere on the net that the iphone screen can sense heat of the fingers that is why its so responsive. But it sure'll give problems over a period of time.
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If you played with touchflo sensitivity on the kaiser etc you will see it does not take much pressure at all for touch to be sensed. Its the software which is more responsive.
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You, my friend, are wrong !
I actually own a Kaiser, and i bought my wife a Touch, so i assume i have two of the most finger friendly HTCs out there atm.
I also had a chance to play with an iPhone a little.
It's the hardware that makes the iPhone finger-friendly, unless you don't mind putting some oil on your fingers when using HTC's pressure sensitive screen - it's not that you have to press hard, but you have to press and move, and the screen isn't slippery (unless your screen is really dirty).
You do have a point about the responsiveness of the iPhone, but there are (a few) apps on WM that are pretty fast and the finger thingy is still not that pleasant.
Also, our touchscreens "feature" a lag, which you can see when drawing: draw something and look carefully, you'll see the line is draw a little behind the stylus (don't tell me it's the app, i know for sure there's a 100-200ms lag on input)
Bottomline: i wouldn't trade any of my WM devices for an iPhone, but the iPhone touchscreen really is better - finger-wise, because not being able to use a stylus kinda sucks big time.
Hi I would like to ask all of you orbit 2 users out there.
I own one and its giving me a great headache because of the screen. I mean it physically. Cause of the screen.
I use the screen under normal room lighting so no bright sunlight or anything but when i try to watch movies or take photos in landscape mode I would notice a very bad discolored view when I am watching anything in landscape mode.
Also when in potrait mode, the discolored view will occur when I look at it from a slight top-down angle. I hate that . Is this suppose to be normal for all the other orbit 2 or am I just the "luck" one ?
REally need to sort this out, love this phone but this problem is giving me loads of headache. Practically killing me slowly,, any advice or help would be greatly appreciated?
Thank you.
PS. I have just passed the 28 days exchange period , so no hope of getting it exchanged. Hope I can get it fixed from o2 but I read somewhere that there is no replacement screen out in the market yet.
Sorry buddy, I don't have any of the problems you're talking about.
I know a lot of people complain that their phone is giving us headaches with no drivers but not literally. Your phone should not be giving you physical headaches.
Also watching a movie on that screen can't be too good. In my opinion it's too small to concentrate on for long periods of time. I have never watched anything on there for more than 10 minutes.
Hi thanks for the reply,
I see you own a HTC Touch Cruise. I have a slightly different model although I know they are the same.
But the screen is different for orbit 2. I have know touch cruise to have not known such problems. But seriously dude, this screen of orbit 2 is way too different for proper viewing. I am not someone who asks alot or have high expectation out of my phone. But if you have seen it it would be unacceptable by any standards.
Also i have compared a touch cruise with mine orbit 2. The differences is unbelieveable.
Thanks for the reply.
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leynos
I raised this issue when I first got my Orbit 2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367550
I've read somewhere that the Orbit 2 and TC use different screens with the Orbit having crappy viewing angles
DMAND said:
I raised this issue when I first got my Orbit 2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367550
I've read somewhere that the Orbit 2 and TC use different screens with the Orbit having crappy viewing angles
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Thanks for your comment.
I see now that my worse fear is coming true. Guess until I see more response, I will still try to hope that is only a few isolated cases that the orbit 2 has a viewing angle problem.
Hopefully more orbit 2 users will give me their feedback.
Will keep my finger crossed until then.
Really love this phone. First phone I really grown into it. Dun do this to me.
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leynos
I have found the same problem in certain situations... but If I view with the wheel to the left the screen is fine... Viewing angle is like an old-aged TFT but still... it's clear and viewable straight on.
with the wheel to right (Camera default due to button position) the screen puts a lot of strain on my eyes with or without glasses... just seems like it's blurred but it's not...
For vids.... use CorePlayer... default full screen seems to be with the wheel to the left.
And thankfully my fav game Worms is a wheel to left game.
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I have found the same problem in certain situations... but If I view with the wheel to the left the screen is fine... Viewing angle is like an old-aged TFT but still... it's clear and viewable straight on.
with the wheel to right (Camera default due to button position) the screen puts a lot of strain on my eyes with or without glasses... just seems like it's blurred but it's not...
For vids.... use CorePlayer... default full screen seems to be with the wheel to the left.
And thankfully my fav game Worms is a wheel to left game.
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Hi phil,
thanks so much for sharing with me. I understand this pain you face with orbit 2. Movies or surfing the net or even taking pictures kills u. Did you do anything about it? complain to o2 or send it back to them for repairs ?
cause I am close to sending it back. I just cant bear to be without a orbit 2 for weeks. As you know repairs takes weeks or even months. So I will send it only as my last option.
Also is there a free coreplayer I can download from somewhere to try out whether it works on my phone before I buy it ? I cant find it anywhere and everyone been saying good things about them. Saying they fix the video issue we have caused by HTC whom didnt provide the proper driver for us.
Thanks,
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leynos
Hi,
I noticed the same problem the very 1st time I used my Orbit2 in landscape. In portrait mode, if you watch the screen as you move your viewing angle up and down you can really see haw much this screen varies. So when you view in landscape, with each eye seeing the same part of the screen differently it gets really uncomfortable and hard to focus on.
In portrait the screen is ok (much better than my old MDA compact) but in landscape its worse!
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Hi phil,
thanks so much for sharing with me. I understand this pain you face with orbit 2. Movies or surfing the net or even taking pictures kills u. Did you do anything about it? complain to o2 or send it back to them for repairs ?
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No, I've kept mine... apparently it takes a while on the repairs turn around so I try for over-phone fixes... But I doubt there will be a fix for the dodgy LCD unit in these...
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Also is there a free coreplayer I can download from somewhere to try out whether it works on my phone before I buy it ? I cant find it anywhere and everyone been saying good things about them. Saying they fix the video issue we have caused by HTC whom didnt provide the proper driver for us.
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TCMCP or something named to that effect... What CorePlayer apparently derived from. Although the codec support is better that built in media players it really makes no difference to playback.
CorePlayer does however playback 320x240 Xvid and Divx AVI with mp3 audio at 400kbps bitrate and 15fps fine (hence my MSDHC is now full of Family Guy)
CorePlayer is worth paying for... I demo'd it via a torrent download first as I couldn't find an actual demo/trial and was sceptical but have since purchased a licence/key meaning all is legal
And I don't recommend or condone any illegal downloads! even if for a short period that was hypocritical .
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No, I've kept mine... apparently it takes a while on the repairs turn around so I try for over-phone fixes... But I doubt there will be a fix for the dodgy LCD unit in these...
Guess I will have to wait until there is sort of a third party upgrade LCD unit available for orbit 2.
TCMCP or something named to that effect... What CorePlayer apparently derived from. Although the codec support is better that built in media players it really makes no difference to playback.
CorePlayer does however playback 320x240 Xvid and Divx AVI with mp3 audio at 400kbps bitrate and 15fps fine (hence my MSDHC is now full of Family Guy)
CorePlayer is worth paying for... I demo'd it via a torrent download first as I couldn't find an actual demo/trial and was sceptical but have since purchased a licence/key meaning all is legal
And I don't recommend or condone any illegal downloads! even if for a short period that was hypocritical .
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Cool , sound pretty powerful with it. But still the orbit 2 is not good for watching videos with their lousy LCD.
Just tot of this question below,
Any suggestion where I can sell it off and get a touch cruise from ? except on ebay.. sorry dun like using them.
I agree with you in paying for it. CAuse I do some programming work here and there. I understande the pain of your work being pirated.
Thanks for the info, guess I will have to source out coreplayer and give it a go. And see if it works well.
It's strange that the device is almost in the stores and there are no real in dept reviews from bloggers available? Of did i miss something?
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It's strange that the device is almost in the stores and there are no real in dept reviews from bloggers available? Of did i miss something?
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My device should be here tomorrow - Review to follow
I'll be anxiously waiting for it!
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Me too anxiously waiting for the review...
If it is half as good as HTC claims it would be awesome..
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I'll be anxiously waiting for it!
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You may be waiting a while longer than a day
check out gsmarena for a review well worth the read.....
Company reviews are great but you cant beat user reviews.
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check out gsmarena for a review well worth the read.....
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I couldn't find any Touch Pro reviews on gsmarena, only Diamond. Can you please provide a link?
Thanks!
Ok - the T-Mobile Vario 4 aka Raphael:
First impression: smaller and not as heavy as the Kaiser... unlike the HTC version there is not that annoying diamondshaped backcover so that it lies even on the table.
It has still no infrared - so forget about your all-in-one-remote... but: the camlight is back! yiha! Additionally, the camera is a lot faster than on my kaiser!
The usb-jack supports a video-out cable which is not included... and unfortunately it is located now more in the center of the device: so go buy a new active car-holder
The keyboard slides out now on the other side again (like Tytn I) and has now 5 rows of very touchy, respondive buttons... hey and there is a ctrl / strg button now!
The Vario 4 HAS a fm Radio and an acceleration sensor!
The rom including its TouchFlo3d is pretty fast... no comparison to my Kaiser.
GPS is on board, but didnt test how fast it gets its fix.
The display with its bigger resolution is very nice - but its a little bit reflective for my taste - and i guess placing a screenprotector on it will vanish its frameless design
Its only tri-band, but as long as u stay in good old europe: no problem All others need to wait till the end of the year when its released in U.S. as a quadband (not 100% sure about that release date). Browsing with the preinstalled opera in hsdpa is really a fun!
All in all: a very sexy device which kicks the ass of my kaiser as well as all those iphone kids!
PS: Sorry for my english
Edit: I forgot - the 10sec backlight bug is on board, but putting a mortscript into autorun will solve it
licht77 which t-mobile is it? what country?
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Browsing with the preinstalled opera in hsdpa is really a fun!
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Can you please give a statement about the reception quality of HSDPA/3G compared to your Kaiser? Is it equal, worse of better?
You know there's an issue with the Diamond, but hopefully the different housing/(antenna setup?) could solve this problem for the Touch Pro.
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licht77 which t-mobile is it? what country?
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T-Mobile Austria
foo said:
Can you please give a statement about the reception quality of HSDPA/3G compared to your Kaiser? Is it equal, worse of better?
You know there's an issue with the Diamond, but hopefully the different housing/(antenna setup?) could solve this problem for the Touch Pro.
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hmm... no issues so far. I am running Tejaks V5 on the kaiser which is damn fast... but i would say the Vario 4 faster somehow. Reception is good too.
@licht77
since you didn't mention it, I take it the screen does not "tilt" when the keyboard is pulled out. I really love this feature on my kaiser.
CU,
Chacu
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@licht77
since you didn't mention it, I take it the screen does not "tilt" when the keyboard is pulled out. I really love this feature on my kaiser.
CU,
Chacu
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I think it does, it wouldn't make sense at all not to.
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I think it does, it wouldn't make sense at all not to.
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No, it does not tilt.
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No, it does not tilt.
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But that's when it's vertical right? When it's horizontal the accelerometer tilts it, doesn't it?
There is no "tilt" feature for the "Touch Pro" like the "Kaiser" has.
Smaniac, I think you talk about screen orientation (landscape mode). Of course the Touch Pro rotates the screen in general, but "tilt" is something completely different.
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There is no "tilt" feature for the "Touch Pro" like the "Kaiser" has.
Smaniac, I think you talk about screen orientation (landscape mode). Of course the Touch Pro rotates the screen in general, but "tilt" is something completely different.
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Oh lol, now I see what you mean. You mean the screen doesn't physically rotate when keyboard is used. Yes, I knew that, and I think I prefer the 5 row fixed keyboard instead of a 4 row tilting one.
I wouldnt be surprised if it was marketed as the "AT&T Touch Pro", or perhaps the AT&T 3525 or similar.
Camera and hardware buttons
licht77,
Could you please confirm: there are many less hardware buttons compared to the kaiser, is this correct? Counting on the Kaiser there are 8 in the front (plus action and dial) plus the side's jog wheel and four side buttons (including power) and from what I saw on the Raphael there are only four in the front (plus action and jog) and the power button on the sides?
And camera: how much it differs in terms of picture quality from the Kaiser?
I thank you.
Hey all,
Recently a friend of mine got the N97, and having used it I am shocked at how good the touch screen is. Eventhough it is resistive like my raphael, the response and pressure measures up to the iphones (ok not exactly but much nearer than mine does)
Can anyone explain why this is? Does nokia just make better drivers?
Regards
Have a look at this thread. Now my Touch Pro can select anything on my screen with a very light tap as opposed to pressing on screen. Beware though i have notice that sometimes it selects stuff rather than scroll on screen but i have to say its much better than pressuring the screen.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469865
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Beware though i have notice that sometimes it selects stuff rather than scroll on screen but i have to say its much better than pressuring the screen.
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Thats weird that you have issues with it selecting rather than scrolling, i have been using the iTouch_azharsunny.cab from that post for weeks and have never noticed this myself...i hate how there are so many different hardware configs of our phones!
Mine is almost the same as iphone... haha... sure beat N97
Just change the registry key...
Go to HLKM/Drivers/TouchPanel using registry editor such as total commander or PHM
Change the PressureThreshold value to 80866 in decimal (Not Hexdecimal)
After that, go to HLKM/Software/OEM/TFLOSettings.
Change FingerPressure value to 1 in decimal (Not Hexdecimal)
Soft-reset ur device...
Am using Latest 11th august Energy3.0 23016 ROM now
Been noticing that scrolling seems off. When scrolling through home pages, it sometimes takes 2 or 3 swipes to go to the next page. Anyone notice this?
Yes, same with swiping up on apps to close them. Seems you just need to swipe a little more aggressively/quickly though and all is well.
Yeah, I came from a 13 pro max and the scrolling was flawless. I feel like I have to keep my finger on the screen to finish a swipe on the pixel, it's pretty annoying.
Is it as noticable when you turn off Smooth Display?
I just tried it with smooth display off and Ii works perfectly. Wonder if it's a bug
This is what happens.
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I just tried it with smooth display off and Ii works perfectly. Wonder if it's a bug
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It's one of the first things I turn off as I prefer speed over style but you're right in that there needs to be a balance or a fix. With it on, the phone feels slow/laggy especially scrolling down webpages
It's probably enough for me to return the phone. I can't go back to 60hz lol, it hurts my eyes. I wonder if the 6pro has the same issues.
So another bug, wondering if I made the right decision ordering one of these yesterday!
All new handsets have bugs, although this seems to have more than normal. Hopefully this one will quickly be fixed with an update. There is no way I'm spending the best part of £900 on a phone to only have the screen usable on 60hz.
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It's probably enough for me to return the phone. I can't go back to 60hz lol, it hurts my eyes. I wonder if the 6pro has the same issues.
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I'm wondering if the non-pro 7 has the same issues.
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I'm wondering if the non-pro 7 has the same issues.
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As it only has a 90hz screen it could be less prevalent.
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As it only has a 90hz screen it could be less prevalent.
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Yeah. **** I'm really wondering if it was the right decision to get the 7 Pro instead of the non-pro..
Can't say I've noticed an issue. What refresh rate is being displayed when you scroll?
Went to my local Currys and played around on the demo unit there for around 20 minutes. Really like the feel of it, looking forward to getting mine now.
Anyway, for what it's worth I found absolutely no evidence of this issue with smooth display enabled. Everything worked fine on web pages and in the UI (settings menu for example) with the scrolling silky smooth and zero lags, stutters or delays in touch responses.
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Went to my local Currys and played around on the demo unit there for around 20 minutes. Really like the feel of it, looking forward to getting mine now.
Anyway, for what it's worth I found absolutely no evidence of this issue with smooth display enabled. Everything worked fine on web pages and in the UI (settings menu for example) with the scrolling silky smooth and zero lags, stutters or delays in touch responses.
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Definitely some weird scrolling issues. Maybe it's on an old fw or because it's on demo mode and processing etc is bumped up to max. I wonder if they're messing about with the touch boost to try and increase battery life?
Here is what I'm talking about.
Nevermind, it won't let me upload my screen recording
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Here is what I'm talking about.
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I don't know if it's because I'm on a mobile browser, but if you have linked or added something there I don't see it.
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I don't know if it's because I'm on a mobile browser, but if you have linked or added something there I don't see it.
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I'll try doing it from a PC
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I don't know if it's because I'm on a mobile browser, but if you have linked or added something there I don't see it.
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It won't let me upload a video.
Try this
New video by Paul armendarez
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