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Upgrading Radio on G4 locked device?

How does one go ahead and flash to an updated Radio Rom on a G4 Cingular locked Wizzard? I am currently running NBD 8.0 using 2.25 radio and would like to try out faria's 2.69 radio...and have the nk.nbf file for the radio. Do I just flash it using ShellTool as I have done with all the other full operating systems? Is this even possible to flash the radio on a G4 locked device?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319751&page=18
im not sure if you read the nbd 8.0 thread lately but you asked this similar question and it was answered for ya if you still dont understand just mail me

mdajunkie said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319751&page=18
im not sure if you read the nbd 8.0 thread lately but you asked this similar question and it was answered for ya if you still dont understand just mail me
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oh, sorry man totally missed your response
my only last question is, do I still copy over and run the cert and enablerapi cab's on the phone before I use shelltool, or just flash the rom without it?

fliplyricist1 said:
oh, sorry man totally missed your response
my only last question is, do I still copy over and run the cert and enablerapi cab's on the phone before I use shelltool, or just flash the rom without it?
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no you dont need to run those cabs again. all you have to do is just replace the nk.nbf file and run shell tool and thats it less than five minutes and your working with a new radio. Now if 2.69 dont satisfy you look in the cingular and t-mobile radio threads i have posted a zip file with a variety of radios collected from all over the wizard forums so you can test and try them all if you like. enjoy
edit: the file should be in the first or second page of each thread

i don't believe that you have to use the shelltool method in order to flash a radio rom. on my first rom flash, i followed the "Faria G4 Step by step installer with instructions" and did use shelltool for the OS part, but i used the regular RUU and flashed the 2.19.11 radio with no problems, without installed the enable rapi and cert cab.

thanks a bunch guys...im going to flash it now

are you going to go through the shelltool process? or install it simply with the RUU? i know it's a lot to ask you to put your device at risk but i'd just like to know if G4 Radio ROMs can be upgraded with RUU. i'm using 2.19.11 right now (with the radiofix) but i've heard 2.69 can give me better results. just would like to see if i can go the easier, RUU route.

Azimuth21 said:
are you going to go through the shelltool process? or install it simply with the RUU? i know it's a lot to ask you to put your device at risk but i'd just like to know if G4 Radio ROMs can be upgraded with RUU. i'm using 2.19.11 right now (with the radiofix) but i've heard 2.69 can give me better results. just would like to see if i can go the easier, RUU route.
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just a headsup...but a shelltool 2.69 flash messed up my nbd installation (would freeze at the nbd splash screen)
had to flash back to original factory cingular rom, and then reflashed the radio using ruu tools....and it worked perfectly.
now im just trying to reinstall nbd succesfully (always have a hard time with 8.0 for some reason)

radio 0.24.00.05 rom upgrade problem

Hi all,
I am having troubles updating my radio rom. This device has been a beta pre lease.
Current version is:
R: 0.24.00.05 (believe it or not...)
G: 22.23.40.00H
D: 1.56.00.00
I was able to load the kaiser cooked rom (but radio and camara are not working properly). I have Hard SPL for Kaiser loaded.
I've tried many roms, but they all fail at 95% with error [262]. And then I have to reload the cooked rom to get the system working again.
Anyone any suggestions?
Jeroen

do you have a Kaiser?
I don't think that is the correct radio for Kaiser ROMs. If so there may be special stuff cooked into the original ROM, just like the ATT Roms which use a specific radio.
read the sticky regarding radio's.

Yes, I have a Kaiser (loaded S.N.E. cooked rom)
apposite said:
I don't think that is the correct radio for Kaiser ROMs. If so there may be special stuff cooked into the original ROM, just like the ATT Roms which use a specific radio.
read the sticky regarding radio's.
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I'll look some more in the sticky's about radio's.
Thanks,
Jeroen
(loaded this rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357274)

that is not a Kaiser rom!! I'm surprised you didnt brick your device lol! Make sure your trying to flash a Kaiser RUU_signed.nbh that has only a OS.nb inside and then flash the radio.nb later...

read your reply
the link you provided to the "no evil" rom doesn't mention anywhere in the thread about the radio you are using. where did you get it?
recommended by thread author - radio 1.27.12.17

bought device on ebay
I know the radio is not compatible with the rom. That is why I want to update the radio.
It is just that the radio flash process hangs at 95%.
Best regards,
Jeroen

problem solved
At this location ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Uploads/Kaiser/Radio/ I found a rom similar to the existing in my device: 0.26.07.06. This one worked, and afther that I was able to flash the version I wanted: 1.27.12.11.
I'm happy. My device is up to date and very quick with Alex's Utra clean rom!
Thanks for listening!
Jeroen

hmmmmmmmmmm
try a hard reset and flash before you customize (upon initial bootup) - maybe???

Flash - What Went Wrong?

I've always fancied flashing my Kaiser (V1615) with a new ROM, but was always nervous because I wasn't sure of the process and didn't want to risk bricking the phone as well as all the effort needed to get everything back on it I needed. Well, a few days ago my old Kaiser met the floor and an untimely end. So I decided to take the risk and put a new ROM on it and decided on the latest Dutty WM6.1 ROM.
I read all about flashing on here and made as much sense of it as I could. Thing is, I'm very technical in general, but not very familiar with Windows Mobile or flashing. I found there was lots to read, but it was all written with an assumed level of knowledge and understanding of terminology. As a result I found it quite hard to understand. I took the plunge anyway and started, but things didn't work out as expected and I didn't understand why.
I'm not trying to be critical of all the work a lot of people have put into the documentation that is available online, it's just that when I originally approached this with zero flashing experience I found it difficult and confusing to understand. What I really needed was a concise and basic introduction to flashing. I've now been through the process and after re-reading the documentation it makes a lot more sense.
I worked out you need to run something called HardSPL before you could flash a new ROM. I'm still not sure what HardSPL does apart from CID unlock the device, but what does CID unlock mean?
I ran HardSPL v1 and it started ok, but then I ended up with a white screen. At this point I already wished I hadn't started, but no going back now. Is it known why some phones white screen? Turns out it's a common problem, so followed the instructions to recover. All was well again, but still with the original ROM.
I thought I'd be brave and stuck with it and this time tried JumpSPL1.56-KAIS instead of HardSPL as recommended on one of the tutorials. This went better and I ended up with the Tri-Color screen. I plugged my USB cable in and USB showed on screen.
Next step I thought was to flash a ROM onto the device. I ran the Dutty updater on my PC and all started ok, but when the update got to 18% I received a communication error. I tried to recover using the updater, but the same thing happened. At this point the phone wouldn't boot, so I was more than a little worried and wishing I hadn't started!
Found something that described several options for recovering from this problem. I decided to try and flash the device back to the original ROM from Vodafone. When I eventually found that ROM I ran JumpSPL again, got to the Tri-Color screen and ran the updater. This time the update completed successfully and the phone rebooted and was all working again.
I decided to leave the device as it was and started customising it myself. I'd still love to put a cooked ROM on there, especially if it helps with performance, but after the experience above I'm not very confident.
Can anyone tell me where or what went wrong? I'm going to get my old Kaiser repaired and want to try again on that phone.

My flashing routene (not ideal but it works for me)
1) run the first part of the Kaiser SIM/CID Unlocker & Changer
2) after device reboots, hold camera button and restart to check SPL
3) Flash rom/radio of choice
4) Follow HardSPL v3.07, v3.28, v3.29 and v3.56 by JockyW 's second guide "If you have problems with the above process, try this:" and flash my 3.XX SPL of choice.
Sam

Wow, I need a cuppa now
I'll go through 1 at a time... (and Sam has answered some questions already)
-CID unlock means that when the phone is loading a new device into the ROM the Carrier ID check is removed, each Mobile phone carrier has a different CID in thier OS ROMs. Unlocked means you can flash a OS ROM from any carrier or a cooked OS ROM from this site.
-The Jump SPL should only be used for replacing the SPL. Do not flash anything other than SPL's when at the Jump SPL (or SSPL). OS and Radio ROMs should be flashed from either in Windows Or By Manually Entering the Bootloaders. More info on SPL's is here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
-Have a look at flashing from SD Card to avoid communication problems, http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserSDFlash
-The most clear instructions can be found here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser#ROMx20.Upgrading
Hope this helps.
Dave

Thanks for the advice, but this is what I normally encounter when I read something on here, which is advice which no doubt makes perfect sense to the author or others experienced in flashing, but usually raises more questions than it answers in my head.
For example;
1) run the first part of the Kaiser SIM/CID Unlocker & Changer
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What do you mean by the "first part"? The thread you've linked to doesnt really explain what I'm downloading and doing.
2) after device reboots, hold camera button and restart to check SPL
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Ok. I get this assuming you mean the device will reboot automatically and I restart it to check the SPL version that gets shown on the boot screen, but why do I need to do this?
3) Flash rom/radio of choice
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So at this point I can simply plug my device into my PC and run the ROM updater I've downloaded. Working out what rom/radio version to download is a minefield in its own right.
4) Follow HardSPL v3.07, v3.28, v3.29 and v3.56 by JockyW 's second guide "If you have problems with the above process, try this:" and flash my 3.XX SPL of choice.
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I thought HardSPL needed to be run before I flashed? Also, why the different versions? Which one do I choose?

BTW, not trying to moan about everything, just posting my experiences to find out where I went wrong, but also highlight some issues hopefully other flashing newbies can relate to and authors of tutorials can draw some useful feedback from.

Only one question, do I need to CID Unlock before using Jump and HardSpl or, the Hardspl does the Supercid ?
I'm not referring about SIM since I don't care, for now
With WM6.1 - Oficiall HTC ROM
Thanks

Thanks for that one dave, on reflection i kinda missed the whole point of the thread, and as for the majority of the stuff you posted i didnt undertand that to begin with.
Also, DaveTME, if you are wanting to flash a custom rom to youre kaiser. from my experiance and from the number of times ive seen this happen. i advise against asking for reccomendations(sp?) (not saying you will but its worth saying) try a few roms out and decide from there.
Also another thing to note. if you flash to WM6.1 remember to use a 3.xx spl otherwise you'll encounter a few problems with youre device.
Sam
What do you mean by the "first part"? The thread you've linked to doesnt really explain what I'm downloading and doing.
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download the Kaiser unlocker and run the first stage of it, the program is in the linked thread.
Ok. I get this assuming you mean the device will reboot automatically and I restart it to check the SPL version that gets shown on the boot screen, but why do I need to do this?
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No, after the device reboots, youre given youre Rom, Protocol and Radio. if you hold the camera button and reset you'll get youre SPL displayed, youre looking for 1.01 olinex to be shown
So at this point I can simply plug my device into my PC and run the ROM updater I've downloaded. Working out what rom/radio version to download is a minefield in its own right.
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1) Yes, just run the RUU with youre chosen rom and thats it
2) its not a minefield, just make a decision on what rom you like and flash it. theres nothing to stop you flashing another one.
I thought HardSPL needed to be run before I flashed? Also, why the different versions? Which one do I choose?
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The 1.01 SPL will allow you to flash a cutom rom. following that you need a 3.xx SPL as they are designed for windows mobile 6.1. as for yure decision. i use 3.29, yet other users have had better sucess with 3.56. Most rom chefs will say which SPL they reccomend anyway with their rom.

-CID unlock means that when the phone is loading a new device into the ROM the Carrier ID check is removed, each Mobile phone carrier has a different CID in thier OS ROMs. Unlocked means you can flash a OS ROM from any carrier or a cooked OS ROM from this site.
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Great. Thanks for that. Makes perfect sense now
-The Jump SPL should only be used for replacing the SPL. Do not flash anything other than SPL's when at the Jump SPL (or SSPL). OS and Radio ROMs should be flashed from either in Windows Or By Manually Entering the Bootloaders. More info on SPL's is here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
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Ok. I think you mean that the SPL is a component on the device? What is the difference between HardSPL and JumpSPL?
-Have a look at flashing from SD Card to avoid communication problems, http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserSDFlash
-The most clear instructions can be found here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser#ROMx20.Upgrading
Hope this helps.
Dave
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Thanks, will have a read

DaveTME said:
Ok. I think you mean that the SPL is a component on the device? What is the difference between HardSPL and JumpSPL?
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Read the "SPL Questions" Wiki Page, it is all there and fairly clear.
Ta
Dave

What are SSPL, HSPL and Radio?

I swear I have used the Search tool, but lots of topics have HSPL in their title, and I weren't able to find any FAQ topic talking about that.
Everybody here talks about SSPL, HSPL, how to use them and so on. The only think I understood is that to flash custom roms you need HSPL, and for official roms SSPL is "enough". Could anybody tell me something more and explain me why do we need this stuff to flash a rom and not just run a .exe on the device which could do everything automatically?
I also didn't understand what the Radio is. I thought a part of the rom which manages the GSM/3G antenna, but I think I am wrong.
Thank you in advance

Black Antitoon said:
I swear I have used the Search tool, but lots of topics have HSPL in their title, and I weren't able to find any FAQ topic talking about that.
Everybody here talks about SSPL, HSPL, how to use them and so on. The only think I understood is that to flash custom roms you need HSPL, and for official roms SSPL is "enough". Could anybody tell me something more and explain me why do we need this stuff to flash a rom and not just run a .exe on the device which could do everything automatically?
I also didn't understand what the Radio is. I thought a part of the rom which manages the GSM/3G antenna, but I think I am wrong.
Thank you in advance
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okay
spl = Secondary Program Loader. Think of this in the same sense as bios on a pc. (it sets where your system boots from, intialises sub system process etc)
sspl = soft spl (this allows you to flash another spl or hardspl).
hardspl = hard spl .. basically it allows flashing of any rom. It protects you from bricking your device. If you have a bad flash it just forces the phone to load into bootloader, from where you can flash another rom using pc or storage card to get your phone working again. Using a hardspl you can flash any carrier rom without cid unlocking your device first.
Radio = you are correct about your assumption as to what a radio does .
Now if you are flashing your carriers official rom than you don't need any of this stuff but different carriers set their cid in their roms so only phones that have their cid can flash those roms ... now if you like the wwe htc rom and want to flash it onto the tilt you will first need to hardspl your device or otherwise you won't be able to flash the rom ... it will time out with an error telling you invalid vendor id.

Many thanks! Now it is much clearer! Just one more question: why do people care so much for the radio and post their radio version to their signature? Is the radio revision so important? Why is it not just part of the rom?
Thanks again!

Black Antitoon said:
Many thanks! Now it is much clearer! Just one more question: why do people care so much for the radio and post their radio version to their signature? Is the radio revision so important? Why is it not just part of the rom?
Thanks again!
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well radio is definitely important ... i mean if you have a uncompatible radio you will loose sound, camera, connection etc on your phone. Reason people list the radio they are using is basically to let others know what radio is working for them on the rom they have. This way if someone else doesn't know which radio to use with the rom than can use the radio they have listed. Radios are location dependant. Some radios give better reception here in states while others give better reception somewhere else in the world.
Most of the time chefs will include a radio with their rom, but some leave it out so you can choose the one that works best for you. Just a keynote to keep in mind when selecting radios is that wm6.1 roms need wm6.1 radios and wm6 roms need wm6 radios. Also DO NOT flash a radio that is intended for another device i.e a rapheal radio onto a kaiser (this will brick your device). There are exceptions to this rule. Also you should get your phone security unlocked before proceeding with flashing various kinds of radios. This will save you from getting stuck with a radio that locks itself to the device (thus rendering itself unchangeable; no matter how many times you flash another radio you will be stuck with that radio) an example of this is "the radio from hell" which alot of people in the kaiser forum got stuck with and weren't able to get rid of it until "FrankenKaiser" came along.
Hope this helps.

Thank you, it does.
Another term I read is Jump SPL. What's that?

Some poeple encounter problems trying to flash hardspl, Jump spl "jump starts" the process.
(problems like the kaiser white screen issue here)

Ok, thank you all.
Now I only have to wait for the Blackstone Hard SPL.

Black Antitoon said:
Ok, thank you all.
Now I only have to wait for the Blackstone Hard SPL.
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aren't we all ... hold tight though they are close to getting it done.

How do you know that? In the placeholder topic there has been no update about the development status since a while.

WOW!!
Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you to thesire and joel2009 for being so extremely nice to a newbie!!! This is probably one of the first posts I have seen where a newbie doesn't get their head bitten off for asking a question. (I don't think I've ever asked a question for that very reason! LOL)
I was searching for the answer to 'what is SSPL' because I couldn't find it in the Wiki acronyms section. What a pleasant surprise! Sorry if this steers away from the topic but I just could NOT pass over this thread without saying THANKS!!!!!!!!

You wont get flamed for asking Questions in this Forum
as for the Acronyms, try here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=265
more here : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=FAQ#techicalJargon
my friends, you need to master the art of searching

So I actually risked to find my skin burnt by the flame?
I didn't even know that there was a wiki/knowledge base here. Well, I actually felt somthing like that, but I completely forgot about that when searching. I searched carefully indeed, but only in the forum, and since lots of topics contain the words SPL, HSPL and so on, I was unable to find relevant results.
I'll look there next time, thank you all again.

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Just wanted to say a HUGE thank you to thesire and joel2009 for being so extremely nice to a newbie!!! This is probably one of the first posts I have seen where a newbie doesn't get their head bitten off for asking a question. (I don't think I've ever asked a question for that very reason! LOL)
I was searching for the answer to 'what is SSPL' because I couldn't find it in the Wiki acronyms section. What a pleasant surprise! Sorry if this steers away from the topic but I just could NOT pass over this thread without saying THANKS!!!!!!!!
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hahaha.... why do you think i finally posted my first post after joining for 2 years. I just didn't want to tick someone off
Now i finally understood the term "SSPL & HSPL"!

how to find original SPL FOR HD2
Does anyone know where to fin dthe original 2.10 spl for hd2 so i can return it ?

Unlocking/CID/SPL

Okay, im really confused after reading all these threads
i used to have a kaiser (but it turnt out to be faulty) and managed to flash hardspl, flash new roms (had wizard, hermes and raphael and flashed all those too) so i'm not a newbie to flashing however im a tad confused about all the new hardspl (jwocky) etc and jumpspl? can someone just give a quick summary about what to do and why it has changed from the ordinary hardspl? as i am looking at buying another kaiser
thank you ever so much

HardSPL Info
kingsizeriz said:
Okay, im really confused after reading all these threads
i used to have a kaiser (but it turnt out to be faulty) and managed to flash hardspl, flash new roms (had wizard, hermes and raphael and flashed all those too) so i'm not a newbie to flashing however im a tad confused about all the new hardspl (jwocky) etc and jumpspl? can someone just give a quick summary about what to do and why it has changed from the ordinary hardspl? as i am looking at buying another kaiser
thank you ever so much
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I think most of the info, and donwload links that you're looking for are at the following link below. Hope that helps you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498320

i did read that but still wasnt sure about it all, maybe im getting older (by 5 months haha).
what is jump spl used for? and why has it all changed from a few months ago!?

HardSPL
kingsizeriz said:
i did read that but still wasnt sure about it all, maybe im getting older (by 5 months haha).
what is jump spl used for? and why has it all changed from a few months ago!?
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I don't believe anything has changed in regards to installing a HardSPL to a phone. I've been following the same procedures for the last year or two. The Jump Spl files are used when changing / updating your HardSPL via ActiveSync (the only way I do it). Following the instructions on the thread below works like a charm, I've never had a problem. The instructions say HardSPL v3.29, but you can use any of the current HardSPL's just the same.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433835

Fair enough, as im used to just hardspl'ing the device rather than jumpspl then hardspl.. will do it by the book though when i get my new one (if i manage to sell my poxy blackberry!!!)

All the SPL types are on the SPL Questions wiki page in detail, so I'll save myself repeating.
The reason for the 1.* and 3.* different SPL versions is for WM 6.0 and 6.1 respectivly.
See my Hard SPL sticky for another breif overview.
Dave