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Truth about Xperia X1 and WM - is it really worth it ?

Hello WM community !
To cut long story short, I got very interested in WM and now I am considering to buy Xperia, but after reading a lot in this forum I got my doubts about it.
A lot people says that WM is way ahead comparing to symbian and yeah, for example Xperia's cpu and ram size is almost twice (or even more) as big as any other symbian device. But what are they good for if Xperia can hardly play good quality clips smoothly and run game emulators at decent speed ( I mean snes ,gba emulator with sound or even FPSCE) ? The old, practically unchanged S60 platform can run those things ( and even .avi files) without problems (well except FPSCE of course ). As you probably all know, few symbian phones even are able to run Q3 at a very very decent speed. So my question is, why Xperia is worth paying around 800 $ ? Just for super comfy office tools? Sexy design? Nice touch screen? Why ?
I don't want to judge anything, I just want to find arguments why I should buy the Xperia ? And I need your help guys
Thanks in advance
P.S. As you noticed, I want to use phone as a multimedia entertainment device, especially for movies.

hi,
i understand your concerns.. i am sorry i do not watch shows on it..
but my own experiences,
PRO:the screen is sharp. 3 inch is good.. touch pro is only 2.8 and its heavier.
the CPU to me seems ok. In fact youtube has a vs touch pro video out there.. x1 is faster when switching landscape.
the touch screen is good in response for me. most task can be used one hand finger.
Keyboard is good.. you can type pretty fast on it.
as of all WM devices, you need to customize it before it becomes better.. i am speed dialers .. launchers... cool.
battery life for above average usage is 24hours. (am told other devices is shorter )
CON:
the camera button is difficult to press
you may get the rattle "add on" (ie a rattle sound when shaked )
price is a little on the upside.. well this is suppose to be their flagship premium phone.

for my subjective opinion, WM, especially touch HD is the best for me, that will be my future device,. hehe,.
easy software upgrade, ROM cooking, etc,.

i agree with -G-, my next device will be the touch HD, the wait to march will be ohhh soooo long

touch HD is good.. however if poster needs a h/w keyboard.. then touch HD is out..

leobox1 said:
touch HD is good.. however if poster needs a h/w keyboard.. then touch HD is out..
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lol, yeah,.

The Touch HD is a media orientated device (what with it having things like the 3.5mm headphone jack) and in CorePlayer (or even TCPMP) the HD can play full size AVI movies pretty much perfectly!
The X1 has very similar hardware, except for the keyboard, but that may be used in game emulators. Also, I'm sure that emulators would run okay (they can run on my Prophet, with a 200MHz processor, and 64MB of RAM!)

I've seen both (but not used them, only reviews).
The Xperia is much better looking than the Touch Pro IMHO. It is smaller, lighter, and just cooler. They both should perform the same, but I think the Pro has the better UI

thanks for commenting.
I will probably buy it, but still I can find the arguments to justify the price....
anyway, thanks again.

REVIEW: Need for Speed: Undercover released for Windows Mobile

The iPhone folks have eagerly been waiting for this title for at least half a year – and it’s still isn’t known when it comes out (see THIS for some additional info & comments). Despite the superior profitability of the iPhone platform when it comes to gaming, EA Mobile, the developer of the Need for Speed franchise, deemed it better to release the Windows Mobile and the Blackberry versions first.
Note that, because there’re no trial versions for any of these platforms, I could only test the Windows Mobile version – I didn’t want to shell out another (I paid for the WinMo version) 10 bucks for a Blackberry game just to realize it’s plain slow / too simplistic (as with most Java racing games) on my BB 8800.
First and foremost, the Windows Mobile version is accelerated on some of today’s most popular phones; most importantly, the HTC Diamond and the HTC Touch HD.
This, however, doesn’t mean it’s
- unplayable on non-accelerated phones. Actually, on some of my phones / PDA’s, it runs – taking into account the lack of hardware acceleration – very well. Not exactly like most top-tier racing games on the iPhone (Asphlat4 etc.), but still very playable – much more so than some of the alternatives.
- compatible with the 3D accelerator (the 2700g) of the Dell Axim x50v / x51v PDA’s. Actually, the game is plain unplayable on these two models. Don’t even give it a try – it’s not worth it.
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(3D hardware accelerated HTC Diamond screenshots; on non-hardware accelerated models it's far more pixelizated and "blocky", of course.)
Availability
It’s available for purchase HERE for 10 bucks. If you have either the HTC Diamond or the HTC Touch HD, it’s a no-brainer: get it, you’ll love it.
If you have some other device, I can’t give you precise advice: on some models, it runs pretty well (e.g., the iPAQ 210); on some other, it’s considerably worse (e.g., the HTC Universal) and, on some, it’s plain useless (e.g., the Dell Axim x50v / x51v). You might want to give Google a try: just search for the words NFS Undercover and your PDA / phone model; you most probably will find some kind of info on this.
Note that a lot of current device models are missing from the online “select your model” list. With EA NFS Undercover, however, I found the HTC Diamond version (version v17.0.19, inner filedates in the CAB: 11/14/2008) working OK on my other WinMo devices, VGA and QVGA alike, as well. I’m not sure whether, say, the Touch HD version CAB is any different and whether it runs on other models. It might be, as some folks at XDA-Developers state. It also stated to take advantage of the accelerometer of the phone – I couldn’t personally check this out (but will, as soon as I gain access to a Diamond / HD). Note that the Diamond also has an accelerometer, but it must be separately unlocked.
Compared to the other, current racing games on Windows Mobile,
if you have a compatible phone (again: not the Dell Axim x50v/x51v), you might find it great. For example, compared to Gameloft’s Asphalt4 Elite Racing and Ferrari (the last two racing game releases for Windows Mobile),
- the native (non-Java) versions of these games run definitely slower on my HTC Wizard than NFS Undercover, and
- the Java versions of the games are plain ugly on VGA devices (currently, there is only a QVGA-compliant native [non-Java] version of these two games; they both utilize the upper left quarter of the screen on VGA models) with far less detailed cars, buildings, roads etc.
However, compared to e.g. Raging Thunder, the latter is, generally, better (faster) on non-3D accelerated hardware – and uses high resolution on VGA devices (unlike NFS). Astraware’s GTS World Racing is also faster; it’s just that I find it quite boring – unlike, say, Asphalt4, particularly on the hardware accelerated, accelerometer-equipped iPhone.
If you have an iPhone or an iPod Touch (preferably of the second generation, meaning far faster 3D graphics), I don’t think you should bother with the unaccelerated WinMo version, though – current top-end iPhone racing games are simply far-far better.

Thanks!
I love that game!
Hope my old Uni can support it...

i had that game already on my cruise. liked it but am not a big game fan so i deleted it. found it somewhere wich will be remain nameless

i also had asphalt4 and they all played great.

Here's a video for people who wanna see the game in action running on a HTC Diamond http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdPBUzx6o7Y
The video is of the older version, there's now a new version available which supports the accelerometer and which also has greatly improved textures...

orb3000 said:
Thanks!
I love that game!
Hope my old Uni can support it...
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Don't bother - it's not the fastest on the Universal. Give a try to Raging Thunder instead, should you need some more rendering speed.

dortyboy said:
i also had asphalt4 and they all played great.
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You mean the native (non-Java) version?

owziee said:
Here's a video for people who wanna see the game in action running on a HTC Diamond http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdPBUzx6o7Y
The video is of the older version, there's now a new version available which supports the accelerometer and which also has greatly improved textures...
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BTW, on Handmark (where I purchased my copy from yesterday), the HTC Diamond version is still the one I've mentioned in the review - are there other (legal) sources of the new version?

UPDATE (4/13/2009 14:32 CET): XDA-Developers forum member owziee has made some screenshots of the new version using better textures on hardware accelerated models like the HTC Diamond. I still don’t know where it can be purchased from as the Handmark version I purchased is still clearly an old (11/14/2008) one. Also see THIS for a discussion.
Also, there's a video of the HW accelerated version HERE.

10bucks is a reasonable price.
So your actually saying this would run well on a touch pro?
I wonder if I can see FPS factor or something.
If this doesn't run smooth, does it make sense to use speedbooster?

MistyFrog said:
10bucks is a reasonable price.
So your actually saying this would run well on a touch pro?
I wonder if I can see FPS factor or something.
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Based on the Diamond (which is, HW-wise, pretty similar), it should make use of the 3D acceleration. However, I can't guarantee anything - it might turn out to be incompatible.
(Too bad neither EA nor Gameloft offer trial versions at Handmark to check their stuff's compatibility before purchasing them.)

UPDATE (4/13 16:45 CET): note that, as far as Gameloft’s above-mentioned two racing titles are concerned, Gameloft’s Asphalt4 Elite Racing and Ferrari GT,
1. I referred to Asphalt4 Elite Racing HD, not the earlier (and much-much inferior: much worse graphics, no multiplayer etc) Asphalt4 Elite Racing. The latter runs OK on VGA devices too. (Nevertheless, I don’t recommend it because of the, compared to the HD version, ugly graphics and so on.)
2. On my HTC Wizard, it’s Ferrari GT that is considerably slower (it’s pretty much unplayable as of version 1.09) than EA’s Undercover, not Asphalt4 Elite Racing HD. The latter is somewhat faster (as of version 1.07) than EA’s title. The situation might be similar on other OMAP 850-based devices.

sames like EA convert ngage version to ppc and improve it to sopport touch screen
but why they didnt do a special version for the diamond like the iphone ?
cant the diamond do better than this ?
see the comparison
Ngage 2.0 version
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Diamond version
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iPhone version
video Ngage 2.0 version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcBl4RnWvas
video diamond version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdPBUzx6o7Y
video iPhone version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_p1c99sFJw

Menneisyys said:
You mean the native (non-Java) version?
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yes the non-java version

dortyboy said:
yes the non-java version
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The HD or the non-HD version? (The latter is pretty lame but it's compatible with VGA devices, unlike the HD version, which is QVGA only)

Menneisyys said:
Don't bother - it's not the fastest on the Universal. Give a try to Raging Thunder instead, should you need some more rendering speed.
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Thanks
I´ll give a try to Racing Thunder then

Aqrab said:
sames like EA convert ngage version to ppc and improve it to sopport touch screen
but why they didnt do a special version for the diamond like the iphone ?
cant the diamond do better than this ?
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I can agree that the iphone version looks better but still the Diamond version looks way better than the ngage version imo, also the ngage version seems to run slow as hell in the video.
Also remember the Diamond renders at vga (640x480) & that requires a lot more power than the iphones resolution, it's easy to see the jagged edges in the iphone screenshots due to it's low resolution.

owziee said:
I can agree that the iphone version looks better but still the Diamond version looks way better than the ngage version imo, also the ngage version seems to run slow as hell in the video.
Also remember the Diamond renders at vga (640x480) & that requires a lot more power than the iphones resolution, it's easy to see the jagged edges in the iphone screenshots due to it's low resolution.
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i dont want to go out of the topic
but if you see Playstation 3 , if you put a Playstation 1 game there is an aptions to make the game go smooth
what the Smooth option do ?
it make the game have a little more FPS and removed the Squares all around the pleace in a playstation1 3D games
the same thing in diamond it jast the same game as ngage but they make it smooth
i think the diamond can do better than this
so what you guys think ?

Aqrab said:
i dont want to go out of the topic
but if you see Playstation 3 , if you put a Playstation 1 game there is an aptions to make the game go smooth
what the Smooth option do ?
it make the game have a little more FPS and removed the Squares all around the pleace in a playstation1 3D games
the same thing in diamond it jast the same game as ngage but they make it smooth
i think the diamond can do better than this
so what you guys think ?
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On the Diamond this works really well (the screenshots don't look good, but the pixel density makes it much better on device).
Also, the accelerometer worked out of the proverbial box with the version I have.
Framerates aren't perfect with things running in the background, and it does complain if there's not enough RAM, but switch of TF3D and it's a great little game.

owziee said:
I can agree that the iphone version looks better but still the Diamond version looks way better than the ngage version imo, also the ngage version seems to run slow as hell in the video.
Also remember the Diamond renders at vga (640x480) & that requires a lot more power than the iphones resolution, it's easy to see the jagged edges in the iphone screenshots due to it's low resolution.
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Yeah, the n-gage version pretty much sucks. Unfortunately, no game have supported the 3D hardware acceleration in the models that otherwise have this (N95 etc.). This is why all the three racing games I mentioned in the review (Gameloft's two titles and EA's Undercover) are pretty unplayable and useless on my N95 - certainly a no-match for the accelerated and accelerometer-friendly iPhone version.

Windows Phone 7 games less fps?

Anyone else notice this? Doodle jump and fruit ninja have less frame rate than in IOS. It may be not much of a big deal for you guys but for a mobile/console gamer like me it is.

yea I noticed that too...

I never played either of these games on iOS so I can't say, but for me the fps is fine even for PES2011. Ive played the same games on Android and don't see a noticeable fps difference.
I just hope they get rid of the random lags in games come Mango, cause that's a serious issue that deters from the overall smoothness of WP7.

Hi, I own a HTC Mozart and a 3rd gen Ipod Touch (same hardware as IPhone 3GS), and this was one of the first things I noticed when playing games on my new WP7 phone.
Simple games like Doodle Jump, Angry Birds and Fruit Ninja all run fine but at a noticeably lower framerate. If you haven't played both it doesn't really matter, but when comparing wow the iOS versions are so much smoother!
A more demanding game is "I Love Katamari". This uses simple textures but pushes alot of polygons and has alot of objects in the world - enough to make it totally unplayable on 1st and 2nd gen IPhones. Comparing the game on both systems, again iOS runs it significantly smoother, and also has a better font and transitions in the menus. The HTC is obviously rendering at a higher resolution, as there are alot less polygon "jaggys".
What worries me is the 3rd gen IPhone is now 2 years old, which is an absolutely lifetime when i comes to mobile hardware, and has an almost 50% slower CPU. Yet it still outperforms the latest WP7!
It can't be a hardware issue, so maybe its the OS - can anyone offer any insight?

please use your brain!
iphone 3g screen resolution: 480 x 320
WP 7 screen resolution: 480 × 800
clear now?

Turkishflavor said:
please use your brain!
iphone 3g screen resolution: 480 x 320
WP 7 screen resolution: 480 × 800
clear now?
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Not really.
Doodle Jump is a very simple 2D game, yet it suffers the most obvious framerate drop. Are you saying it's just not possible to produce 30FPS on a WVGA screen with the 1st generation of WP7 hardware? If so that's a pity.

Resolution hasn't got too much to do about this, I think. Best bet is that the framework used on wp7 is more high level and if you want to squeeze more fps you have to work the plumbing.
If you look at games like The Harvest, it's damn smooth even compared to a piss-poor 2D game like Doodle Jump. There are Doodle Jump clones in the market which have better framerate.
Overall, I would say it's just the platform which is new.
The fact that half xbox titles are just bad and some are totally buggy, but many others are excellent, tells you that it's feasible. Maybe people need to familiarize a bit more with the platform.

Just lazy ports.

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Just lazy ports.
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I just love when people say what I wanted to say with 1/100 words

The current version of WP7 (NoDo) limits 30 fps in their games. Mango will up the FPS limit to 60 fps. I read somewhere that Doodle Jump will get this treatment and will be as smooth as a babies behind once mango is released..along with a number of other games I guess.

In order to stabilize, ms limit fps

GT Racing 2: The Real Car Experience

It's out!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftRAHM
Good-bye Real Racing 3, maybe? We'll see
It's downloading to my Xperia Play as we speak, check this place for updates.
UPDATE: So, the game is XPO and shows in the launcher.
I have a mixed feeling about the performance though. You can pick one of the three settings : BEST VISUALS/BEST PERFORMANCE/OPTIMAL. The game defaulted to OPTIMAL but I was shocked how bad the frame rate was, so I changed to BEST PERFORMANCE but it's still not very good. But I am on stock ROM with no overclock so... They are trying to force this horrible free to play model down you throat, always bugging you to spend that precious green currency to upgrade you car and stuff like that .
As for visuals and the 'driving feel', Real Racing 3 is still the king, even without support for XP controls.
This game is not bad, but doesn't seem so addictive that I'd be investing countless hours into it like I've been with RR3.
Also, music is horrible but that's something I've got used to with Gameloft.
I'd recommend this game only if your device can play it fluently, as mine can't.

It looks so nice
Im actually playing Real Racing 3 so i'll try that alternative

It also have low framerate on ICS rom, even on perfomance settings (on stock speed, i didn't test it with overclock).
But it's XPO, touchpads also work. Not so memory-hungry as real racing 3, so it should work on heavy ics/jb roms.
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Where is the settings for graphics? I'm on GB (Gin2Kittkat) and there is nothing to set, so the framerate is terrible even with OC to 1,4GHz (my XP can't get higher cause freezing). I downloaded this game yesterday, must set controls to wheel+pedals (XP controller didn't show up) otherwise there was damn auto accel. It looks funny but unplayable on Xperia Play.

Using RAM Manager Pro at Hard Gaming somehow helps with the framerates. Running debloated Gin2JB v2.5.2, stock kernel.

Frame rate is atrocious on this game when other cars are on the screen, even on best performance.
I'll try it at 2.3ghz later when I reinstall extreme kernel! It runs smooth on max settings on my jxd so it cant be massively demanding!
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BensJammin said:
Frame rate is atrocious on this game when other cars are on the screen, even on best performance.
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Indeed. When on the lead, meaning no other cars on the screen, it runs fine. Also, lags are noticeable in areas where there are many buildings.
Dang, what's the point in making it XP controls-optimized but not ancient-chip-optimized? Oh, GL...

Miichaell said:
Where is the settings for graphics? I'm on GB (Gin2Kittkat) and there is nothing to set, so the framerate is terrible even with OC to 1,4GHz (my XP can't get higher cause freezing). I downloaded this game yesterday, must set controls to wheel+pedals (XP controller didn't show up) otherwise there was damn auto accel. It looks funny but unplayable on Xperia Play.
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You can choose Best perfomance or Best graphics.. just that
I set the game on Best Perfomance on Gin2KitKat (1.2Ghz OC) and its unplayable!

Honor 6 Games

Hi, what games do you play on your Honor 6 and what settings ?

Blescik said:
Hi, what games do you play on your Honor 6 and what settings ?
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https://pay.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/2pj2q6/much_simpler_way_to_install_hs_on_your_android/
I tried this and works awsome . The loading time is heavy but the game runs great.

And how is the readability of the cards? isn't it too small on a 5" screen?

I've been recently playing some Conker's Bad Fur Day on my H60-L02 using the mupen64plus core of RetroArch.
With sound disabled, and at 1280x960 resolution it's quite playable, but it really doesn't go full speed most of the time. Turns out the Honor 6 isn't fast enough yet. Maybe if someone discovers how to overclock it, it'll be a bit better.
I can still recommend it though, and I guess other games for that platform should go at real speed, because most of them weren't as demanding as the Conker.
Less demanding cores, such as Picodrive, Snes9x, Nestopia, all run at stable 60 fps, but that's not a surprise because these systems were much more simple than Nintendo 64.