Hi All,
New member (to state the obvious). Sorry if this is in the wrong place.
Will try to cut a long story short.
The company I work for has aquired the book from a competitor that fell victim to the current financial downturn in the UK.
We have been doing sell offs from various sites around the county.
At one of the sites I found 3 Xda Orbits with all the bits, I assume they belonged to the staff that worked there. They worked for about 3 weeks then suddeny they lost the phone service yesterday. After near 24 hours of reading mostly on here I have come to the following.
1. the bill has not been paid so the phones are suspended.
2. They have been reported lost or stolen and have been blocked.
I don't need the devices as phones as I have a blackberry for work.
I can however make use of one or all as access points on my home network for controlling my media pc and doing away with the wireless keyboard and mouse and need for my laptop when I am in other rooms.
Can you guys please advise me on the following.
If the handsets have been reported lost or stolen do I run the risk of trouble by keeping hold of them. (under the terms of the purchase of the book all assets that remain after the administrators left belong to us).
If it is just a case of unpaid bills then do I have a duty to return them to the provider?
Not a techy type so this is a very gray area for me.
Many Thanks
Mike
(I bet you never expected to be answering this type of question)?
Thats a nice mess you got there.
If the devices have been reported lost or stolen then they are usually rendered useless. Normally you will be in trouble if they have been reported stolen but this is a different scenario. Simply put another sim card in and see if the phone can connect to the network. You might need to unlock the device if you are inserting a SIM from any other operator.
In the case of unpaid bills, you do not have to return them. I am guessing your company owns the contracts now as well so you guys might have to pay the bills anyway. You might want to check the contract terms though before you decide to keep them.
And what a waste for those great phones; access points?
Why not check to see if the phones are insured and if they were reported lost / stolen then maybe they can be replaced. As above try a different sim card and as i understand it, the phones wont be sim locked or at least mine weren't. If you want to solely use the devices to connect to an access point then there should be no problem as the operators blocking (blacklisting) works by preventing the device connecting to a base station and therefore preventing telephony.
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If I buy my [hermes] phone (as in not free), do I own enough of the phone for it not to be barred if I come to end my contract (whether in agreement with them or out of terms)?
Of course the phone is still probably subsidised, but probably covers the cost of their bulk trade prices anyhow (£100).
Can they still barr it, or is owning at least "some" of the phones value enough to stop them bothering?
various countries various rules but i never heard of a country who blocked phones imei
but phones are often sim locked so one have to simnlock them
click xda-wiki and find your phone and look how you sim unlock it
thanks, but i mean like for example if i refuse to pay my contract (for legitimate reasons) or I actually cant or something like that. I assumed they would brick the phones imei.
Or is that only if you report it lost.stolen?
only if reported stolen as far as i know
but if you dont pay your bill i'd imagien they would
sue you or send a repoman around he might take your phone
and maybe your tv and or pc
Hi guys, believe me I looked around the forum before setting out to ask, but it could take years to read all the threads and posts.
A few months back I bought my son a Galaxy S 3 for Verizon through Amazon wireless.
The phone came, I activated it and it worked fine until the idiot put it in his pocket, went out, got drunk, and came home with some barely visible cracks in the screen which now will not light up.
He went to the Verizon store, but without their insurance, they refused to deal with it. Instead, he ported an upgrade from another one of my 5 lines and buys another phone for $250-.
Now I have the 3 month "old" S 3 with a cracked screen that won't light up, and no SIM card.
What am I supposed to do now with this paper weight??
I was hoping to never have to deal with Verizon again, but now I'm locked in for another two years on two of my five lines and I have this very useless but valuable phone.
Suppose I take it upon myself to repair the screen, is there anyway to use this phone on a different network? or at least with a different carrier?
Perhaps a carrier that isn't looking to skin me alive for whatever I can bare? I know this device works with SIM cards, and I've heard folks claiming that it can be used on GSM networks, so what prevents me from using this phone on a GSM network with another carrier??
Can someone explain in layman's terms what this post will do for me??
Or is there some other direction I need to take??
Thank you!
From Amazon Wireless:
AmazonWireless Terms and Conditions
Instant Discount Policy
When you purchase your device with service from AmazonWireless.com, we automatically pass along an instant discount based on a commission paid to AmazonWireless by your wireless service carrier. The commission depends upon your continued service, and if you do not maintain your service for 181 days from the service activation date, AmazonWireless must return the commission to the carrier. Thus, this discount has been provided to you in good faith based on your agreement to (a) activate a new or extend an existing line of service for the device(s) with the carrier for two years, (b) maintain this line of service in good standing, and (c) not alter the line of service type other than adding an additional line of service to an individual account for at least 181 consecutive days.
The following are some scenarios where we may determine that you have not maintained your service and have not met the requirements listed above:
If your device with the carrier is not activated per Amazon's activation instructions within 14 days
If your service is canceled/disconnected before 181 days and you do not return the device(s) to Amazon
If a new individual or new family account is merged with or replaces a pre-existing account
If you transfer this equipment to another carrier's service or to another line in your family account and deactivate the line that Amazon established for your device
By accepting this Instant Discount Policy, you agree to repay $400 per smart phone or tablet and $200 per other device if you do not maintain your carrier service for 181 consecutive days from the service activation date. You also authorize us to collect that amount using any credit card we have on record for you. Amazon can periodically check your account status with the carrier to confirm your line of service is active and in good standing and thereby confirm you are in compliance with this policy.
The Instant Discount Policy will not be applied if you cancel your order and return the device(s) within our 30-day return period. You must return your device(s) to Amazon within the carrier's 14-day return period in order to avoid the carrier's Early Termination Fees (ETF). If your purchase was an upgrade, your upgrade eligibility will not be reset unless you return your device to Amazon within the carrier's 14-day return period.
Additional Terms
Amazon reserves the right to decide who is eligible to purchase a device from us (e.g., an individual may be deemed ineligible based on identify verification checks) and can limit purchase quantities or refuse to sell to an individual who has been approved by a carrier.
Devices with service purchased from Amazon are for individual use only, and Amazon reserves the right to reject orders from resellers or distributors.
These AmazonWireless Terms and Conditions are in addition to the AmazonWireless site Conditions of Use.
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Let us know if you get hit with a $400 bill from Amazon
The first thing you need to do is, change your Verizon password, so your dumb-ass, irresponsible son, can't stick you with anymore bills.
Let us know if you get hit with a $400 bill from Amazon
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I would think that since they removed the SIM card from the broken phone and placed it into the new phone, and since he purchased the new phone with an upgrade from a different line, but retained service on the same line, that perhaps VZW is copacetic with that. Service is retained on the original line.
But something needs to happen with this broken phone that I have.
and, you didn't answer any of my questions.
What needs to take place? ...and in what order?
Let me take a stab at this...
Fixing the LCD is probably the first thing that has to happen.
I assume the phone, being a PDA will boot without the SIM card. Yes?
So if it's bootable, and you can see what you're doing, then I guess it's rootable. Yes?
And if it's rooted, then you can unlock it? Yes?
And once its rooted and unlocked, then what?
With which carrier can this phone be used? Rooted and unlocked, why would it even matter?
Thank you, and please.
merciless_alien said:
Hi guys, believe me I looked around the forum before setting out to ask, but it could take years to read all the threads and posts.
A few months back I bought my son a Galaxy S 3 for Verizon through Amazon wireless.
The phone came, I activated it and it worked fine until the idiot put it in his pocket, went out, got drunk, and came home with some barely visible cracks in the screen which now will not light up.
He went to the Verizon store, but without their insurance, they refused to deal with it. Instead, he ported an upgrade from another one of my 5 lines and buys another phone for $250-.
Now I have the 3 month "old" S 3 with a cracked screen that won't light up, and no SIM card.
What am I supposed to do now with this paper weight??
I was hoping to never have to deal with Verizon again, but now I'm locked in for another two years on two of my five lines and I have this very useless but valuable phone.
Suppose I take it upon myself to repair the screen, is there anyway to use this phone on a different network? or at least with a different carrier?
Perhaps a carrier that isn't looking to skin me alive for whatever I can bare? I know this device works with SIM cards, and I've heard folks claiming that it can be used on GSM networks, so what prevents me from using this phone on a GSM network with another carrier??
Can someone explain in layman's terms what this post will do for me??
Or is there some other direction I need to take??
Thank you!
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The Rooting post will allow you to have more control over your device. You can give apps permission to do thing that android usually restricts them from doing. For example, you can give SetCPU permission to change the minimum and maximum speeds of your processor. You must also root to use the GSM network... Check out this guide: Click Here. I've never used my S3 on another carrier though, so I'm not exactly sure what to do
When is a phone not a phone? According to Three it is when you have a Note 10.1 that is too big to be a phone even if you can use it to make regular calls instead of carrying around three different devices.
Thanks Three for blocking my all you can eat data plan that was working brilliently until today and binding me to a two year contract, which I will break once I have thrown my toys out of the pram, cancelled the direct debit and reported you to Ofcom for misrepresentation.
Has anybody else had this trouble? I immediately activated a Giffgaff simcard, which seems to be working fine but I'm not sure how easy it is to terminate a Three contract given the shop assistant who sold me the sim only plan knew what device I was going to use it on without telling me it was breaking terms of service. I bought the Note over an Ipad because I liked the Spen and wanted to consolidate a phone and a tablet into one thing with reasonable battery life I could carry around all day.
Is it possible to spoof my device's identity on the network so it no longer appears to be a tablet or is my IMEI number unspoofable, unchangeable and irredemably linked to a non-phone phone
Be careful breaking a contract by cancelling the DD may well trash your credit rating .
catshanghai said:
... the shop assistant who sold me the sim only plan knew what device I was going to use it on without telling me it was breaking terms of service....
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It's obviously not your fault. Go back to the shop, confront the sales person, and ask him to provide a solution.
Hello,
I know it has been 4 months since you had this problem but I wish to know what the outcome was. I have just signed a 1 year contract on "The One Plan" with Three stating to the sales rep that I would be using it in a Note 8 and after 3 days, the internet has simply stopped working.
Thank you very much
Hello,
I am wanting to find a way to make LEGAL cash and have no intention in breaking any laws whatsoever.
Say you have a phone (Galaxy S4, iPhone 5, etc) and it has been blacklisted and cannot be used with another carrier. What if i buy an S4 (or whatever) with a good IMEI or ESN but its broken (screen cracked wifi dont work, etc) and apply the ESN or IMEI to the blacklisted phone? Is this illegal?
I read that it is illegal to do this if you are intentionally applying an ESN to a phone in order to spy on someone, etc. but the ESN i would use to make the black listed phone work would come from a completely destroyed phone (but has a good ESN) and would most likely be taken apart and sold piece by piece after applying the ESN/IMEI to the phone being repaired.
I also read that you can unlock a phone to be used internationally if it is blacklisted in the U.S. and it would work for carriers overseas but that may change soon.
Is there any way that doing this type of thing would NOT be illegal? Is there any websites with up to date information you guys can recommend so i can read up on this? Any recommendations (besides ebay) to find destroyed phones with verified good IMEI/ESN numbers would get great as well.
I would like to start a side business as i love tinkering with phones/computers/tablets etc. plus the extra money would be nice.
I need some extra cash and i know that i would most likely have to purchase an expensive program like CDMA Workshop or something like that in order to legally transfer IMEI/ESN information but i would like to start a business doing this to make some extra cash on the side, but LEGALLY.
Any information on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
Hey all,
A few years back I bought a spare phone off ebay. My main phone just broke and when I went to activate the spare, of course, it was imei blacklisted. I don't care that much since I have little $$$ into it but I've been trying to read up on the blacklist and have found little information.
After some research it seems that there are companies who claim that they can fix the problem (I've seen imiefix.com discussed on this board). I have no intention of doing that to my phone since the phone is worth less than the cost of the service but I struck up an email conversation with someone who claims to perform the service. In the discussion he told me that he actually clears the IMEI from the blacklist of certain companies and does not change or mask IMEI's or do anything else to change the phone. (he has provided me videos showing a phone on the blacklist before he does what he does and how the same IMEI is off the blacklist after his service) but I am still skeptical.
The main question I asked him was whether his service only removes the IMEI from the individual carrier's blacklist or if it removes it from the national and global blacklists (ie. will his service remove a T-Mobile blocked IMEI only from T-Mobile but leave it globally blocked for other carriers). In is response he provided this information he told me that phones are blocked for 2 reasons, 1) lost or stolen phones 2) failure to fulfull contractual obligations (ie. didn't pay subsidy). He told me that only lost/stole phones end up on the global or national blacklist, and that phones blocked for failure to pay are only blocked by the individual carrier.
is this information correct?
anyone have experience with these services?
I am conflicted about this blacklist thing. Yes, we need to find a way to protect consumers from theft and even carriers from fraud, and we shouldn't encourage the sale of stolen goods. But who does it benefit? the consumer? of course not. It is almost exclusively to the benefit of the carriers and manufacturers who get to pump more and more of their exorbitantly expensive phones into the market while thousands of useless phones sit around or end up in landfill. And, since there is such a delay in the time that it takes for phones to end up on the blocklist, and since the carriers seem to do nothing to stop fraud (ie. selling phones then reporting them stolen) the only people this hurts are the poor saps who dish out hundreds for a phone on the aftermarket just to have it locked on them a few months down the road.
silky28 said:
Hey all,
A few years back I bought a spare phone off ebay. My main phone just broke and when I went to activate the spare, of course, it was imei blacklisted. I don't care that much since I have little $$$ into it but I've been trying to read up on the blacklist and have found little information.
After some research it seems that there are companies who claim that they can fix the problem (I've seen imiefix.com discussed on this board). I have no intention of doing that to my phone since the phone is worth less than the cost of the service but I struck up an email conversation with someone who claims to perform the service. In the discussion he told me that he actually clears the IMEI from the blacklist of certain companies and does not change or mask IMEI's or do anything else to change the phone. (he has provided me videos showing a phone on the blacklist before he does what he does and how the same IMEI is off the blacklist after his service) but I am still skeptical.
The main question I asked him was whether his service only removes the IMEI from the individual carrier's blacklist or if it removes it from the national and global blacklists (ie. will his service remove a T-Mobile blocked IMEI only from T-Mobile but leave it globally blocked for other carriers). In is response he provided this information he told me that phones are blocked for 2 reasons, 1) lost or stolen phones 2) failure to fulfull contractual obligations (ie. didn't pay subsidy). He told me that only lost/stole phones end up on the global or national blacklist, and that phones blocked for failure to pay are only blocked by the individual carrier.
is this information correct?
anyone have experience with these services?
I am conflicted about this blacklist thing. Yes, we need to find a way to protect consumers from theft and even carriers from fraud, and we shouldn't encourage the sale of stolen goods. But who does it benefit? the consumer? of course not. It is almost exclusively to the benefit of the carriers and manufacturers who get to pump more and more of their exorbitantly expensive phones into the market while thousands of useless phones sit around or end up in landfill. And, since there is such a delay in the time that it takes for phones to end up on the blocklist, and since the carriers seem to do nothing to stop fraud (ie. selling phones then reporting them stolen) the only people this hurts are the poor saps who dish out hundreds for a phone on the aftermarket just to have it locked on them a few months down the road.
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So playing around a bit I just saw a Tmobile phone on Ebay that is blocked by Tmobile. The ad gave the IMEI so I called Tmobile to enquire. The friendly CS rep checked and said the phone is indeed blacklisted but it is still attached to the account holder's account and she cannot tell me anything else. So long story short, person probably sold the phone to Ebay shop and told them it was Tmobile blacklisted. The store will sell the phone as having a bad IMEI but since it is only Tmobile blacklisted it can still be used on AT&T. Since, however, the phone is still on the other account it is likely that (and there is nothing to stop) the original owner will claim it lost or stolen within a few months, especially if they have theft protection. The new buyer, therefore, will get a phone to use for a couple of months until it is globally blacklisted but by then the Ebay complaint window will be closed so purchaser will be stuck.
They need to find a way to fix this. Instead of keeping the phone on an active account all blacklisted phones should be put into default accounts and cannot be changed in any way. Of course the carriers have no interest in doing this.