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Good news for all TNT series users (about 1620 build)

hi to all
i would like to say that: i finally ported a real build after getting some instructions in porting the roms from a device to another.
the good thing is that i fixed the known issues about the phone, like if you call a busy number you will get busy tone and the phone shows busy instead of showing connected , also when you recieve a waiting call and you didn't answere that you get missed call instead of recieved call, these things will know them if you use any other builds like 1437, 1620 and 318(the official one).
all my roms cooked using old builds because of these issues, thats why i started working and learning about porting. (i will never use any other cooks like 1437 or 1620 and you know for that with the releasing)
the new build will be exclusivly for TNT users (no need for write the causes)
the new TNT (5.0) will be released in 10 days (i hope )

So you don't plan on releasing this in a kitchen?
If not the title is misleading, because it is not 'good news for all wizard users'. It would only be good news for the people who use your rom, which would be a small percentage of all wizard users.
Please release this in a kitchen so the fixes will reach more people, whether it is through people creating their own rom or using a cooks rom who used your kitchen.

jruser said:
So you don't plan on releasing this in a kitchen?
If not the title is misleading, because it is not 'good news for all wizard users'. It would only be good news for the people who use your rom, which would be a small percentage of all wizard users.
Please release this in a kitchen so the fixes will reach more people, whether it is through people creating their own rom or using a cooks rom who used your kitchen.
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sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news

WOOT!!!!
its right said:
sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news
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FANTASTIC News!!!! I hope you use the compressed and tested Office 2007 so we can get goodies like BT DUN along with Internet Sharing in the roms. I think including the PP change files would solve alot of the "gotta upload 5 different PP versions" and ease your distrobution headaches.
I personally dont care for the "touch" look at all. Its Flat and lifeless. I use programs I paid for such as Ilauncher, Pocket Breeze, and Resco for my Today layout.
I do like the touch scrolling but thats about it.
I do wish there was a way of including the WeatherPanel & WP-Pilot, but its rather large with all the added icons, unless we boot out defaults and just include the chameleon-240 and Yahoo weather icons aka making those the defaults.
I love your roms, great selection of included apps.
Waiting with baited breath,
A Die-Hard Fan.

RevAtB said:
FANTASTIC News!!!! I hope you use the compressed and tested Office 2007 so we can get goodies like BT DUN along with Internet Sharing in the roms. I think including the PP change files would solve alot of the "gotta upload 5 different PP versions" and ease your distrobution headaches.
I personally dont care for the "touch" look at all. Its Flat and lifeless. I use programs I paid for such as Ilauncher, Pocket Breeze, and Resco for my Today layout.
I do like the touch scrolling but thats about it.
I do wish there was a way of including the WeatherPanel & WP-Pilot, but its rather large with all the added icons, unless we boot out defaults and just include the chameleon-240 and Yahoo weather icons aka making those the defaults.
I love your roms, great selection of included apps.
Waiting with baited breath,
A Die-Hard Fan.
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good notes bro, about compressions i don't like to compress any file, compressions sure will give some of issues if you don't noted now you note later, but give more explain for BT DUN

its right said:
sorry for writing for all users and i will change it right now.
about share the kitchen, i'm so sorry for that because there are many and many of people (especially come of cookers) i saw they didn't credit their cooks to the base rom chef, this thing sure will make the porter to stop porting and maybe encrypt that (like i will do), this doesn't mean all cookers, there are many credit their base rom to his cooker like mfrazz.
and this thread is for discussion before it is good news
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Thanks for helping the community.
I hope you get the pat on the back that you are looking for.

jruser said:
Thanks for helping the community.
I hope you get the pat on the back that you are looking for.
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i'm looking for crediting the work for every one helped and worked very hard for any part of cooking, go to the most of rom threads and check if they credit something to anyone else or not!! is it mean the rom cooker did all the work hemself !!!

I know exacly what its right is saying... now we are starting to see button free activation of the cube in more and more roms and the HTC 4.11 camera is in many roms but do you see my name anywhere? NO

gullum said:
I know exacly what its right is saying... now we are starting to see button free activation of the cube in more and more roms and the HTC 4.11 camera is in many roms but do you see my name anywhere? NO
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this thing will kill the extractor efforts to do any new working
these thing will never be full understaing till you see someone used your works w/o credits, for example dr.yar and winxplore i never saw them on any rom, i did the package and of course i lost a lot of time to looking for usefull apps, finally you will see other people used them as he did it himself.

Thank you, its right!
You make excellent ROMs and I am looking forward to this next one!

@its right, many people who gives credit i think should be allowed via PMs, i say. I mean if we don't share then basically there will be no community. I'd say can you can give kitchen to ppl who gives out credit like mfraaz, myself and alot others. As far as i go, i don't release my cook anymore because alot of other pros like you and mfrazz have em out. I keep it for myself because of the appz i like in there. Anyways do take in consideration.

Perhaps those whose work has been stolen or used without permission could address offending members via PM. Alternatively those whose work was stolen or used without permission might like to consider publicly naming and shaming the offenders.
Watermarking your work is another method that may reduce the incidence of stolen work. Furthermore when members release something perhaps they could advise that permission needs to be granted before incorporating their work into other projects. I suppose at the height of anti-pirating measures and also at the height of complexity remains the incorporation of activation codes, but I'd hope this forum never degrades to the point of needing this counter-measure.
I'm not going to remind you all that most of the information associated with your devices and their operating systems should be freely available and distributed information. Well....not yet anyway.
@its right
All the best and Good Luck with your release

peter petrelli said:
Perhaps those whose work has been stolen or used without permission could address offending members via PM. Alternatively those whose work was stolen or used without permission might like to consider publicly naming and shaming the offenders.
Watermarking your work is another method that may reduce the incidence of stolen work. Furthermore when members release something perhaps they could advise that permission needs to be granted before incorporating their work into other projects. I suppose at the height of anti-pirating measures and also at the height of complexity remains the incorporation of activation codes, but I'd hope this forum never degrades to the point of needing this counter-measure.
I'm not going to remind you all that most of the information associated with your devices and their operating systems should be freely available and distributed information. Well....not yet anyway.
@its right
All the best and Good Luck with your release
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Its not anti-piracy. The people that release these roms hold no copyright in them whatsoever.
I think people should release stuff to the community with the expectation that it will be used and re-used if it is worth it (like mUn's releases). People expecting credit for software they did not write are releasing for the wrong reasons.
Microsoft and HTC own most of the copyrights, yet people want credit for ripping off their software.
There are a few people around here who wrote tools and developed the methods that are used for dumping and porting roms. Most all other 'cooks' do nothing but use these tools and methods, create a few OEM packages, and change a few registry entries.
EDIT: I'll stop posting now and let this thread serve its original purpose.

jruser said:
Its not anti-piracy. The people that release these roms hold no copyright in them whatsoever.
I think people should release stuff to the community with the expectation that it will be used and re-used if it is worth it (like mUn's releases). People expecting credit for software they did not write are releasing for the wrong reasons.
Microsoft and HTC own most of the copyrights, yet people want credit for ripping off their software.
There are a few people around here who wrote tools and developed the methods that are used for dumping and porting roms. Most all other 'cooks' do nothing but use these tools and methods, create a few OEM packages, and change a few registry entries.
EDIT: I'll stop posting now and let this thread serve its original purpose.
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the purpose started with the starting of this thread bro, its discussion.
of course microsoft and HTC have all credits w/o writing the credits.

Looking foreward to it...Its Right

Credit
Sorry for saying this but not releasing the kitchen because of not giving credits is bull ****, why?? if only 1 freak don't give credit's to witherat is not a reason not to releae a kitchen . I don't see you give credit to microsoft for suppling you the rom what will they say???
But nice work if you do it and will release it.

its right said:
the new TNT (5.0) will be released in 10 days (i hope )
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Excellent. I am a happy user of TNT 4.0 (because of most of other ROMs having problems with registering missed calls properly when data connection is active).
Thank you for the great work.
IMHO it would be good to release the all info for community (there will be always people stealing other people work, it is just reality), but if you do not want to do it, I understand...
Being quite happy with TNT, I do not need kitchen personally.
Mirek

This is turning into the PSP community in which the latest custom firmware (similar to the ROMs here) was encrypted and had a check placed to brick the PSP of anyone that went to a specific website which had stolen work in the past - no one deserves a bricked device and it won't be long before the attitude here will be the same...

can't wait for this release.... TNT 4 is clearly one of the best ROMs out there.

I'll state first I don't agree with the whole "I'm not gonna share because you might not give me credit" however since he did all the work porting it, then really he's free to do whatever he chooses.
That being said...don't most of the current kitchen's allow you to take a released rom and extract it directly to use as a base? Doesn't that make the whole "I'm not gonna release" issue moot?
*I have not cooked a rom so I'm asking based on posts I've read.*

Our Little World

i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this, but i felt the need to say it: as imperfect as it is, with all our noobs, experienced users, rom cooking just for the fun of it, donations (hell, smb was willing to donate even a whole kaiser!!), advices for free, fun all around, helpful persons willing to help just because we share a common passion...
... all these mean so much to me and in my eyes they are a lot more beautiful than the world we see everyday.
dont know exactly why i had to say this, but please go on and keep it as such. also, thanks to all of you for putting your little brick at the foundation of a beautiful building!
as smb was saying in another post, love is in the air... maybe its the spring...

Although it's a bit twee, I have to agree.
The concept of developers & users sharing ideas and code and actually HELPING each other in return for donations to the level you can afford is a fantastic concept - and one that Microsoft would do well to learn from (amongst others).
The end result is everyone is MUCH happier and the product is much better. The only problem is I suspect nobody on here could make a living from it...

I'm feeling all teary eyed now. But you guys & gals are right. Group hug.

Let's all sing together now.
Koom By Ya...... why am I the only one singing?

Sorry....
I was too busy reaching for the kleenex box

hehe... bunch of nerds... really!!... get all hot and flustered at the idea of a new rom or some cab file... it's so sweet...
isn't there a restaurant in London with no prices on the menu but where patrons pay what they believe the meal is worth? Remember hearing about it years ago. Wonder if they still in business.
Yeah there are some talented cooks/programmers on this site. It's a wonderful site for owners of pda's looking for a little doctoring of their phones and I wish xda-developers.com all the best in the future...

Because...
ionutz6 said:
i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this...
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...you fell down and cracked your head ?
Just kidding mate

I cracked my screen last night.... was thinking of having a service for my phone.... bagpipes and everything... let me know if you guys will be coming.

What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????

Oh...
GSLEON3 said:
What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
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...you just hurt my feelings...

I agree
ionutz6 said:
love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
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I am totaly Agree, specialy If you post something, if it is already posted, there is alot of love around...Yeah its the spring

i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...

its not even about money or anything, its about people. just hearing that laurentius spent one whole day (9am - 12pm) to tweak a new rom for us, for you, for anybody, made me think that passion is everything, or anyway a lot more than what people are forced to do for a living.
ive been reading this forum for over 2 years now and remember a lot of things, funny posts, things that, together with the great pieces of software developed, made my day now and then. thank ya all for this!
as you say, this is a silly thread and should under no circumstances stay especially here under the rom development section. kyphur, related to a discussion from laurentius new diamond rom thread, feel free to delete all these.

thesire said:
i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
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as most of you probably, i am user on different forums as well. although some amount of flaming is present here as well, it is under no circumstances comparable to things happening on other sites and im grateful to all of you for this.
maybe we should have the national hymn of xdadev, for example Kombaya, somewhere to be downloaded or at least to be visible.

Me too!
Just wanted to add my agreement and appreciation for all that is offered from xda and the people that make it all work. A heart felt "Thank you very much!"

Delete this thread? NEVER...
I'll just move it to someplace more appropriate (but I did leave a perm redirect so it's always hooked to Kaiser Rom Dev)...

True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )

harry_x said:
True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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Agreed, if I were head of marketing for HTC I would pay Dutty (amongst others) to continue cooking roms for our devices.

OMG, sensitive nerds! *turns around and sneaks away*

Just to also add few thoughts on this forum.
This year I bought my first ever PDA, and had to go to considerable trouble to have it delivered here. In a country where the concept of customer support is not yet in existence, and with thousand noob questions, this forum has provided all the help that I needed. So, this forum means a lot to people like me who have no access to official customer support services or other facilities available elsewhere.
My only regret is that as yet, I am unable to more actively contribute to the great community here.
Thanks XDA developers and keep it up.

Rom 20815 WAW

How the hell the chineses get this fabulous rom MAMBOJAMBO versions?
http://www.brsbox.com/filebox/down/fc/b65ce1d84c96efc4b36b37bf399b2afb/rand/1560472572
WM6.1 20815 Universal
at this speed, they will have the wm7 before microsoft finish ( kidding).
But really, how they do it, from where they get this crazy versions?
Why they close this roms just for chinese in a way just a BIG VODOO can dump the imagefs.bin? and just after some months we that spend 2h to understand one ideogram can have to?
:-(

Have you tested already?
Any screenshots?

i wanna give it a try tonight but its gunna take me 3 hrs to dl hopefully someone can do it faster

i wonder if this is for G3 or G4.. downloading and testing.. comments later..

Damn it!
Fast, very fast compilation on standard CPU speed.
WM 6.1 Professional, CE 5.2.20815 20815.1.4.0
Beautyfull icons,
stable, GPRS, Wi-Fi (WPA-PSK2) ok. Included MMS Composer 5.0.27.35, WMP 10.3 B20748, Camera 3.0 B25626

Is it in chinese? Can we understand anything?

Ooop! relly fast, pretty icons etc.
but only chinese
wondering if we can have this damn thing in WWE

nfbarata said:
Is it in chinese? Can we understand anything?
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All in chinese, but partialy understandable (arrangement identical as in english WWE)

What do me AFRAID, is, if i start to search more its possible to find more newer version, i find about 209xx versions for dopodop900 .
more crazy is, if you read at chinese forums, this rom have one, 2 months. WE ARE SLOW in ocident
soon they will release windows 8 when ever microsoft started to work in that.

Screenshots please

F_R_I_T_Z said:
How the hell the chineses get this fabulous rom MAMBOJAMBO versions?
http://www.brsbox.com/filebox/down/fc/b65ce1d84c96efc4b36b37bf399b2afb/rand/1560472572
WM6.1 20815 Universal
at this speed, they will have the wm7 before microsoft finish ( kidding).
But really, how they do it, from where they get this crazy versions?
Why they close this roms just for chinese in a way just a BIG VODOO can dump the imagefs.bin? and just after some months we that spend 2h to understand one ideogram can have to?
:-(
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this rom not real 20815 was HEX from 20738

F_R_I_T_Z said:
What do me AFRAID, is, if i start to search more its possible to find more newer version, i find about 209xx versions for dopodop900 .
more crazy is, if you read at chinese forums, this rom have one, 2 months. WE ARE SLOW in ocident
soon they will release windows 8 when ever microsoft started to work in that.
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209xx also HEX , there also had 20777 , 20759...etc real version was 20758

mwang said:
209xx also HEX , there also had 20777 , 20759...etc real version was 20758
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So, it's a fake?

Jmp_3f8h said:
So, it's a fake?
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It's a working rom, with old build

Everyone, i know that, about to be hex.
first thing i look inside a rom was dsm, certificate dates and other things..
( the only ROMS versions i have doubts are 20755 and 20753 seems at last in part real.
But i do this posts in a provocative way.
More about this **** crippling in imagefs, in nk.nbf they are doing to "PROTECT THEIR WORK" ( GUESS WHEN MICROSOFT WILL PROTECT THEeir WORK SAME WAY PLUS LAWYERS AND OTHER THINGS) FROM OUR ( OR SENYOR MEMBERS REALLY DO THE HARD JOB) reENGINEERING.
If they want cript some icons, or programs is inside ok.. programs, programs codes, etc. belongs who made.
BUT .RGUS, DSM, XIP, SYS, STANDARD OEMS? they are protecting WHAT FROM WHO? THIS BELONGS MICROSFT/HTC NOT THIS PERSONS. THE KNOWLEDGEMENT TO USE THIS WAS SPREAD AROUND FOR PERSONS THAT REALLY HAVE THE SPIRIT OF LEARN AND SHARE LEARN. ( BIG HUHAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa FOR THIS GUYS, LIVE IN MY HEART, HAVE MY SUPPORT, HAVE MY FRIENDSHIP).
HOW CLOSED WE BECOME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ( AGAIN) A SINGLE THING FROM OUR DEVICES JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SPEND 10 DAYS DISCOVERING AND DINT WANT TO SHARE THE DISCOVER. IF this do they fell better, stay with information not release something that use this. if you have a new info and release something with this but dont give to the COMMUNITY or share this for other, THEY are using this just to show HOG GOOD they are in detriment others and how BIG THE EGO IS. ( when i say information is drivers, registry things and similars informations for our unis, not OU CODE PROGRAMS and this like)
How can be or happens if Tovalds start hide the GIT codes, because he spend hours working in a single piece of kernel code and lather just wrote in blog, now this work and say everyone, who. no, iam not releasing this, iam protecting my work. discover by yourself or way someday i release this.
BESIDES some devices forums still active a lot, look around, XDA forum is dying for some devices, ( UNIVERSAL ONE), just because A KIND of envy, not share knowledge ( iam not speaking CODES OR PROGRAMS).
PDAVIET release their roms without RGUS, chinese do thing in chinese for chinese in chineses sites that now need to be write in chinese and levitated by chinese because XDA guys stolen her jobs ( Who? i read this a lot some CHINESES sites).
I hate to live in a world where IAM BETTER YOU BECAUSE I SPEAK THIS OR IAM FROM THERE. ( DAMN HITLER w. BUSH and all MA'FIAA" and all "RED BOOKS" GODS GOVERNMENT that spread this)
This do me upset, ****...
and about what iam speaking... if someone write hoo, and what you do for community?
Soon, WITH the poorly SUPPORT i have. iam to release a kind of kitchen for our unis. Not new at side of discovery, not new at side of drivers. Using the well know tools.
But more to do new peoples, play with this things, do stupid obvious question and maybe after some time this NOT MORE stupid person was attracted by play with this, write something or do a BRILLIANT new discover for us.
but at last iam trying to put a fresh air here.. not closing forums with languages or cript things...
Well, was just this i have wish of speak..
A LITTLE EDIT..
About this crazy new numbers versions.
for US, UNIVERSAL, if no one start to try port THINGS REALLY MATTER, like OEM PACKAGES, DRIVERS ( like phonesettings from newer devices).
just upper XIP/SYS with new numbers will show GREAT, but it is something cosmetic in most part..
What matter is someone do a HELL HACK in XIP to speed bost our devices, or MERGE all PIECES of RAM IN ONE I MEAN FLASH DISK AND STORAGE), DO A HELL HACK in OUR GSM DRIVER TO EVEN GET THE BASIC ENGINNER MODE WORK and we have use of cell towercode. DO A CRAZY MOD IN OUR BT DEVICES to become CRAZY NEW.. DO A MORE THAN CRAZY CRAZY VODOO and besides upgrade 128 MEGS but 256megs. PORT THE CRAZY DRIVERS FROM NEWER DEVICES TO TAKE ANY KIND OF ADVANTAGE FOR OUR UNIS, SAME NOT HAVE NEW AWESOME GPU/OMAP/AT/NVIDIA CHIPSET INSTRUCTION.
So then will have something NEW, not just VERSIONATE NUMBERS.
Huu.. iam more THIN now i put oustise what i have wish of speak...

F_R_I_T_Z said:
Everyone, i know that, about to be hex.
first thing i look inside a rom was dsm, certificate dates and other things..
( the only ROMS versions i have doubts are 20755 and 20753 seems at last in part real.
But i do this posts in a provocative way.
More about this **** crippling in imagefs, in nk.nbf they are doing to "PROTECT THEIR WORK" ( GUESS WHEN MICROSOFT WILL PROTECT THEeir WORK SAME WAY PLUS LAWYERS AND OTHER THINGS) FROM OUR ( OR SENYOR MEMBERS REALLY DO THE HARD JOB) reENGINEERING.
If they want cript some icons, or programs is inside ok.. programs, programs codes, etc. belongs who made.
BUT .RGUS, DSM, XIP, SYS, STANDARD OEMS? they are protecting WHAT FROM WHO? THIS BELONGS MICROSFT/HTC NOT THIS PERSONS. THE KNOWLEDGEMENT TO USE THIS WAS SPREAD AROUND FOR PERSONS THAT REALLY HAVE THE SPIRIT OF LEARN AND SHARE LEARN. ( BIG HUHAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa FOR THIS GUYS, LIVE IN MY HEART, HAVE MY SUPPORT, HAVE MY FRIENDSHIP).
HOW CLOSED WE BECOME TRYING TO UNDERSTAND ( AGAIN) A SINGLE THING FROM OUR DEVICES JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SPEND 10 DAYS DISCOVERING AND DINT WANT TO SHARE THE DISCOVER. IF this do they fell better, stay with information not release something that use this. if you have a new info and release something with this but dont give to the COMMUNITY or share this for other, THEY are using this just to show HOG GOOD they are in detriment others and how BIG THE EGO IS. ( when i say information is drivers, registry things and similars informations for our unis, not OU CODE PROGRAMS and this like)
How can be or happens if Tovalds start hide the GIT codes, because he spend hours working in a single piece of kernel code and lather just wrote in blog, now this work and say everyone, who. no, iam not releasing this, iam protecting my work. discover by yourself or way someday i release this.
BESIDES some devices forums still active a lot, look around, XDA forum is dying for some devices, ( UNIVERSAL ONE), just because A KIND of envy, not share knowledge ( iam not speaking CODES OR PROGRAMS).
PDAVIET release their roms without RGUS, chinese do thing in chinese for chinese in chineses sites that now need to be write in chinese and levitated by chinese because XDA guys stolen her jobs ( Who? i read this a lot some CHINESES sites).
I hate to live in a world where IAM BETTER YOU BECAUSE I SPEAK THIS OR IAM FROM THERE. ( DAMN HITLER w. BUSH and all MA'FIAA" and all "RED BOOKS" GODS GOVERNMENT that spread this)
This do me upset, ****...
and about what iam speaking... if someone write hoo, and what you do for community?
Soon, WITH the poorly SUPPORT i have. iam to release a kind of kitchen for our unis. Not new at side of discovery, not new at side of drivers. Using the well know tools.
But more to do new peoples, play with this things, do stupid obvious question and maybe after some time this NOT MORE stupid person was attracted by play with this, write something or do a BRILLIANT new discover for us.
but at last iam trying to put a fresh air here.. not closing forums with languages or cript things...
Well, was just this i have wish of speak..
A LITTLE EDIT..
About this crazy new numbers versions.
for US, UNIVERSAL, if no one start to try port THINGS REALLY MATTER, like OEM PACKAGES, DRIVERS ( like phonesettings from newer devices).
just upper XIP/SYS with new numbers will show GREAT, but it is something cosmetic in most part..
What matter is someone do a HELL HACK in XIP to speed bost our devices, or MERGE all PIECES of RAM IN ONE I MEAN FLASH DISK AND STORAGE), DO A HELL HACK in OUR GSM DRIVER TO EVEN GET THE BASIC ENGINNER MODE WORK and we have use of cell towercode. DO A CRAZY MOD IN OUR BT DEVICES to become CRAZY NEW.. DO A MORE THAN CRAZY CRAZY VODOO and besides upgrade 128 MEGS but 256megs. PORT THE CRAZY DRIVERS FROM NEWER DEVICES TO TAKE ANY KIND OF ADVANTAGE FOR OUR UNIS, SAME NOT HAVE NEW AWESOME GPU/OMAP/AT/NVIDIA CHIPSET INSTRUCTION.
So then will have something NEW, not just VERSIONATE NUMBERS.
Huu.. iam more THIN now i put oustise what i have wish of speak...
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Understanding your point , the problem came from many cookers who dump rom and recooked never mention base rom came from where , special PDAVIET,some of us working hard to get new build working with old devices but what we got ? nothing , we can share with our work but who care ? from long time ago darkforcesteam release some of build without protection after three days that build all of place ( which I release 5 different languages) , did they said base rom came from DFT ? no , nothing at all , seems thier work and ask for donation , we never ask for donation , we are working for free but even a little be "Thank your hard work" no one want to say that's why we start add protection,we was here long enough and help this COMMUNITY,
if you can read Chinese see here http://www.darkforcesteam.com/showthread.php?t=351, we will release 20758 for Uni WWE/CHT next week , of couse will be had protection.
see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436821 does he mention where base rom from ? 20758 was we working a month to got that .

mwang
I already know your viewpoint and from other persons about this to.
I already have work stolen and even fired after this and the company used my work with another name( under justice now )..
But its the risk of all this.
Again.. imaginate if Linus Tovalds stop the kernel just because companies use some code inside a program or already the entire KERNEL and receive BIG MONEY for that. ( iam speaking REALLY BIG MONEY and this really happens all time).
The spirit of SHARE sometimes need to be little more than that.
when i start something i think. Humm, iam doing this for money, for personal use, to hobby or for GLORY?
If iam doing something for money. and someone use my work. Its matter of justice. I NEED RECEIVE FOR THIS...
If iam doing this for fun, hoby.. damn.. the time i spend trying to understand something or do work was the cool point of all, someone used this and never speak about me? so.. problem of this person. I know the risk of do something and turn public. who know what i do, is enough to do BETTER what was better ( the CHALLENGE by itself).
If iam doing this for personal use ( to prof myself iam GOOD A LOT), i even mentioned this to someone.
If iam doing something for GLORY THEN, of course i want everyone speak my name... but is not usual in my formation. Because this i become sad..
And same you can look about this here at xda forum.
from a time to now. besides some devices still very active.. others are failing down ( not because are old), but because the refuse of what EXIST and was shared sometime not be around any more. BECOME HARD.
Of course i can search and learn like who discover first time..
but reinvent the reinvented wheel. its loose time. Its put a happiness in develop something UTILE, in the sadness of doing something standard. so i close my knowledge and another one come to try to, start everything again.
What we need to know is for what purpose we are doing what we are doing. if this is for money, you are correct in protect your work and be sad and even do more things to protect this. but if it is for FUN? get something " RE ENGINE" put to work better.. huuu... lets to do it better then, everyone.. OPEN...
**** who get this use and not mention who made staling the work or even putting at EBAY ( already find it at ebay) . GOOD JOB FOR this person.. hope
the best friend of him do the same with the her wife .
My intent writhing this things is not to FLAME anything, but share a VIEW POINT. other persons do it to.. and maybe the GOODNESS from TOOLS AND PORTS look we are here to, the small ones.., that like to try play and have funn to..( the fun is not just write the rom to device, but play with the rom) and maybe one day EVEN BECOME A A GOD and start to contribute with REAL Things to community.
Another thing. Already is working to close this way the roms?
Because from a time to now after close the roms and turn everything more hard to be OFFICIAL RELEASED HERE. seems chinese/RUSSIANS/BRAZILIANS sites started to spread more fast PSEUDO PORTS and "STOLE" the works more fast. Because become in hands of so little. And worst persopn taht everyone go to search in another place, like a do..
now closing same the WRITHED knowlled by restricting by language in a WAY THE BAD GUYS FROM XDA stolen something.
Dont know about this new version yours but is freely know that already have roms with this versions from whre BAD OR GOOD PORTED JUSTT REBRANDED. but they are there. and closing your rom or not. They will release a rom and not speak from where come.
Look iam not chilling here about TOOLS, codes, and this things. But at last sources from WHERE get this? or hoo, this work fine.. can you speak how you do it? iam not asking to give everything from your work. but informations.. BASE to another one to start to from where you are or at last to HAVE THE SAME CONCLUSION you have.
I respect a lot darkforceteam work.., pdaviet and others, guys like , buzz, toff, Beepe, dtroy, laurentius, erviu, beast, luca and many many others ( the only come now in my mind, iam not excluding no one).. what they do was amazing..
BIG HUHAAAAAAAA EVERYONE FOR THIS GUYSSSSS
but now to havA NEW NAME in OLIMPUS, the poor person will need to start everything again.. and then some day to be at the same level, this ones are today.
AND THIS IS SAD
wish if i have HOW ( i mean time and money) to create a kind of REPOSITORY for what we discover here ( since we cant store the microsoft files from roms, for law force).
A place where my discover, or my idea, or my tool CAN BE THE START for a FUN of other persons not the GOAL for this person.
Again mwang the same way you become SAD when bad things happens with the roms from your work. i become SAD with what happens. different side from the PROBLEM with different view point.
And i write this not to FLAME but to EXPOSE my FEELING the same way you cript your roms to expose your.
Its good to talk about this. not a bad thing.. IDEAS ARE NEVER BAD, THEY BECOME BAD JUST WHEN IMPOSED and more we talk about more good things can happens. ( or a WORD WAR OF COURSE, kidding )
so!!
IT IS..
BIG HUHAA FOR YU TO

F_R_I_T_Z said:
mwang
I already know your viewpoint and from other persons about this to.
I already have work stolen and even fired after this and the company used my work with another name( under justice now )..
But its the risk of all this.
Again.. imaginate if Linus Tovalds stop the kernel just because companies use some code inside a program or already the entire KERNEL and receive BIG MONEY for that. ( iam speaking REALLY BIG MONEY and this really happens all time).
The spirit of SHARE sometimes need to be little more than that.
when i start something i think. Humm, iam doing this for money, for personal use, to hobby or for GLORY?
If iam doing something for money. and someone use my work. Its matter of justice. I NEED RECEIVE FOR THIS...
If iam doing this for fun, hoby.. damn.. the time i spend trying to understand something or do work was the cool point of all, someone used this and never speak about me? so.. problem of this person. I know the risk of do something and turn public. who know what i do, is enough to do BETTER what was better ( the CHALLENGE by itself).
If iam doing this for personal use ( to prof myself iam GOOD A LOT), i even mentioned this to someone.
If iam doing something for GLORY THEN, of course i want everyone speak my name... but is not usual in my formation. Because this i become sad..
And same you can look about this here at xda forum.
from a time to now. besides some devices still very active.. others are failing down ( not because are old), but because the refuse of what EXIST and was shared sometime not be around any more. BECOME HARD.
Of course i can search and learn like who discover first time..
but reinvent the reinvented wheel. its loose time. Its put a happiness in develop something UTILE, in the sadness of doing something standard. so i close my knowledge and another one come to try to, start everything again.
What we need to know is for what purpose we are doing what we are doing. if this is for money, you are correct in protect your work and be sad and even do more things to protect this. but if it is for FUN? get something " RE ENGINE" put to work better.. huuu... lets to do it better then, everyone.. OPEN...
**** who get this use and not mention who made staling the work or even putting at EBAY ( already find it at ebay) . GOOD JOB FOR this person.. hope
the best friend of him do the same with the her wife .
My intent writhing this things is not to FLAME anything, but share a VIEW POINT. other persons do it to.. and maybe the GOODNESS from TOOLS AND PORTS look we are here to, the small ones.., that like to try play and have funn to..( the fun is not just write the rom to device, but play with the rom) and maybe one day EVEN BECOME A A GOD and start to contribute with REAL Things to community.
Another thing. Already is working to close this way the roms?
Because from a time to now after close the roms and turn everything more hard to be OFFICIAL RELEASED HERE. seems chinese/RUSSIANS/BRAZILIANS sites started to spread more fast PSEUDO PORTS and "STOLE" the works more fast. Because become in hands of so little. And worst persopn taht everyone go to search in another place, like a do..
now closing same the WRITHED knowlled by restricting by language in a WAY THE BAD GUYS FROM XDA stolen something.
Dont know about this new version yours but is freely know that already have roms with this versions from whre BAD OR GOOD PORTED JUSTT REBRANDED. but they are there. and closing your rom or not. They will release a rom and not speak from where come.
Look iam not chilling here about TOOLS, codes, and this things. But at last sources from WHERE get this? or hoo, this work fine.. can you speak how you do it? iam not asking to give everything from your work. but informations.. BASE to another one to start to from where you are or at last to HAVE THE SAME CONCLUSION you have.
I respect a lot darkforceteam work.., pdaviet and others, guys like , buzz, toff, Beepe, dtroy, laurentius, erviu, beast, luca and many many others ( the only come now in my mind, iam not excluding no one).. what they do was amazing..
BIG HUHAAAAAAAA EVERYONE FOR THIS GUYSSSSS
but now to havA NEW NAME in OLIMPUS, the poor person will need to start everything again.. and then some day to be at the same level, this ones are today.
AND THIS IS SAD
wish if i have HOW ( i mean time and money) to create a kind of REPOSITORY for what we discover here ( since we cant store the microsoft files from roms, for law force).
A place where my discover, or my idea, or my tool CAN BE THE START for a FUN of other persons not the GOAL for this person.
Again mwang the same way you become SAD when bad things happens with the roms from your work. i become SAD with what happens. different side from the PROBLEM with different view point.
And i write this not to FLAME but to EXPOSE my FEELING the same way you cript your roms to expose your.
Its good to talk about this. not a bad thing.. IDEAS ARE NEVER BAD, THEY BECOME BAD JUST WHEN IMPOSED and more we talk about more good things can happens. ( or a WORD WAR OF COURSE, kidding )
so!!
IT IS..
BIG HUHAA FOR YU TO
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nice post start like you as I said before we will release WWE version next week , BTW we play rom for fun not for money , even our forum not ask for donation and no AD in there, we knew its risk to post new build rom maybe one day we all been ask close it by "BIG GUY" and knew some "BIG GUY" was watch us .

hey guys,
this is really how things in this world are.
You do something for the people and other people will sometimes not even thank you, eventually they will steal your hard work and brand it under their name.
We have to live with that. That's how it works.
I know very good, how much time mwang and team invested into these ROMs. And it's not that easy to port the whole **** for old device like UNI is.
So as you said above FRITZ, before one even starts to do something, he must be clear about "why i am doing this?" question.
Anyway, the true ROMs for UNI are delivered by DarkForcesTeam. Everything else is recooked stuff.
All cookers should however mention, where they get the original from (as we used to do back in the good times) and give credits to original.
That will make everyone happy.
take care
buzz

WAW buzz_lightyear in my post. ( PLEASE BUZZ NEVE EVER CLOSE YR SITE OR WE UNIVERSAL USERS BECOME ORPHANS, its like loose DAD AND MUM AT SAME TIME
BIG HUHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA DOUBLED YOU
BIG HUHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
This become serious..
Was not my intent FLAME NOTHING.
By the way...
What buzz write about everyone come back old days, will not happens. more easy apple leave the source CODE OR IPHONE ( more than microsoft from windows). GOOGLE ALREADY SPEAK EVERYONE ANDROID IS NOTOPEN SOURCE AND FREE, BUT THE ANDROID KERNEL IT IS (SO JUST KERNEL not so much by the way). AND ME WIN LOTTERY AND BECOME RICH MOUNTING A BIG MEGA REPOSITORY FOR OUR KNOWLED AND CONTRACT MANY MANY LAWYERS TO PROTECT US FROM BIG BROTHERS..
AGAIN ABOUT STOLEN WORK..
WELL, why not in place cript something.. BRAND SOMETHING? PUT WAHTERMARKS.
starting by the screens, lather HEX names in codes and go on?
Soo, to get rid of this the STOLEN GUY will need to learn what you do very well. and at this point will start contribute to. more one looking a CODE mean LESS ERROR IN A CODE and MORE IDEAS COMMING. and even YU STOLEN IDEAS FROM THIS PERSONS.
When you port this crazy roms for US from, more crazy sources ( maybe a direct link with GOD?) .. PUT WHATERMARK IN EVERYTHING possible..
and let us poor guys ( this poor was for good now not bad).. get ride of this.. do WE HAVE WORK TO. STOLE TO STOLE, LET THIS be more hard for who do it, and put fun for who want to learn..and get rgus, modules and everything to play around.
and if someone start sell the rom at EBAY or post in sites without source , post a BIG **** gif in this place and con claim all GOOD GUYS KNOW ABOUT HARD WORK do it to.. ( in ebay case, just send to micro****.. and HTChit) they do the hard work, better WE DO.. ALREADY HAPPENS A CASE AT Brazilian EBAY, the guy was ****ed by microsoft and what i read from judical papers, micro**** even touch xda site name besides guy speak a lot about the site). MICRO**** in ow way like us..
Well.
I it is.. ( FOR NOW
AGAIN
BIGG HUHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BUZZZZ
HUHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

What Ive Never Understood...

This may be irrelevant and this thread will probably be closed, but Ive had a few while Im looking for a new rom and it lead me to a question.
WHY DONT ALL THE DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THE ULTIMATE ROM?
Im sure on of the ultimate answers would be based off of preference etc. but if we would all unite towards one specific goal, not only would we have more solid builds... but we would have more versions (lite, etc) but more themes, faster updates, etc.
I mean ive used this site for a couple years with different phones and we all seem to want the same thing. Speed, reliability, better battery life, etc. So why dont we conference, put our individual talents to use, create specific focuses and put together something Google themselves need to compete with.
I know a lot of the devs here already work together and I have no problems with the way things are... nor am I trying to disrepect any of the hard work you all have contributed. I was just thinking out loud.
Comments?

There is a similiar Thread already:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572788

this is not a development topic. this belongs in q&a

We ARE working together, but we want to create ROMs for different purposes.

'ultimate' is pretty subjective.
it's easy to see all the different, seemingly random threads about different roms and mods and assume there's no teamwork involved, but really, it's just different people trying different things and when one works well most others adapt it. otherwise, everyone has a different 'ideal rom' anyways.
it's a fairly darwinian approach, but it works pretty well. you COULD try to get everyone to organize and work on one idea, but i think we can save that for companies like htc, motorola, huawei, samsung, google, etc.
besides, anyone who follows this or other android dev sites for more than a couple weeks knows which devs to kep an eye on.

what i feel is the ultimate rom, you don't think is the ultimate rom...

the ultimate ROM for me is feature lite, and fast.

despisedIcon said:
the ultimate ROM for me is feature lite, and fast.
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And I like fast and feature heavy. Best of everything. :-D

All of your responses is exactly what I mean... Lets say for example, the devs focused on the fastest, most stable and lightest rom as a base. then moved on a way to easily create or modify a theme.
from there, we could move on to different versions... like a hero or blur, etc.
ultimately, every user is going to pick there favorite programs, so maybe we develop a way to easily choose which programs you want included before you flash the rom and voila...
i mean, im sure im making this sound easier than it might be, but with clear and open communication/ exchanging ideas and coming to a reasonable base... the possibilities are endless.
users could focus on the aesthetics like icons, themes, widgets, etc.
ALL WE NEED IS A SOLID BASE...
sure, there are some talented individuals accomplishing this on their own and thats all fine and understandable. I just know that with the power of many over one... a lot more could be accomplished easier, more deliberately and effectively.
Each dev could have a specialty that they focus on...
1. Themes
2. Troubleshooting
3. Speed/ Framework
4. Battery Life
5. The list goes on...
Create an FTP for everyone to access and we could show Google exactly what theyve been hoping for... which is developers alike coming together for the greater good... again, this is just my opinion, but im glad ppl are leaving their input

and with the choosing of apps example... my idea is, if there were a lite version and an ftp or somewhere to host a list of signed apks that you could choose via checkmark, click download and it would automatically save them to a special folder on the sd card. then, the lite version could have a script that auto runs during the initial boot to install directly from this folder on the sd card.
I guess im just trying to create simplicity for the newbs and the devs or veterans that have been on the site and are tired of flaming or answering the same question.
I say, we streamline this process, create simplicity through orginization and leave more room for progress...
Ok, well thats all i have for now... I mean, I have a lot more ideas, but we'll see where this goes...

It's HTC / Google's fault for releasing different models of the same phone, as most blog publishers are oblivious to the difference and post news under the *insert adverb here* title 'htc magic donut'

Well michael this thread did prove one very important thing. That even if your a senior member on this website you dont know jack. First cyan knows the nines and round here noone can really improve his stuff but him. Hence the reason he wont do his own hero rom. They lag no matter what. Sure you can take out all the widgets cut some fat off rosie. Well hell at that point just theme a donut rom. Running the heros and blurs r fun on g1 and mytouch. But if u ever actually pick up a hero phone or blur phone and test them.... u would see a huuuuuuuuuuuuge dif in performance. So basicly the guys know their crap. All of them. and they do work together. Read a drizzy post. Or other dev post. They always thank whoever for help. And if you want your ultimate rom follow cyan he will make it eventually.

Michaelr219 said:
This may be irrelevant and this thread will probably be closed, but Ive had a few while Im looking for a new rom and it lead me to a question.
WHY DONT ALL THE DEVELOPERS WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE THE ULTIMATE ROM?
Im sure on of the ultimate answers would be based off of preference etc. but if we would all unite towards one specific goal, not only would we have more solid builds... but we would have more versions (lite, etc) but more themes, faster updates, etc.
I mean ive used this site for a couple years with different phones and we all seem to want the same thing. Speed, reliability, better battery life, etc. So why dont we conference, put our individual talents to use, create specific focuses and put together something Google themselves need to compete with.
I know a lot of the devs here already work together and I have no problems with the way things are... nor am I trying to disrepect any of the hard work you all have contributed. I was just thinking out loud.
Comments?
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You my friend are a pure genius, the problem is users ignorant and ROM makers naturally have low self-esteem. You see, take a guy like Haykuro he built the foundation for the first ROMs on the sapphire. Now he's fizzled out. BUT in the beginning he was the ****... Sure in every ROM maker's thread you will find credits etc. but that's all just ass kissing... You see, NO ROM MAKER DON'T MAKE ****! The only thing they get is an EGO BOOST! Who doesn't like an Ego boost? Developers at Google, HTC etc. Because they make $90,000+ a year doing what they do and they have normal lives with a wife and kids ideally... As for ROM makers on XDA they are either A) former workers at Google, HTC etc. who have grudges against their former employers OR B) they never got a real job working for a high end corporation like Google, HTC, etc. and ended up bumming it on XDA hoping one of their "fans" will buy they a lap dance... OR C) They are rich as **** and just love doin this **** for the hell of it because they like making ROMS, getting credit and most importantly, recognition and they ASS kissed constantly by people they don't even know... So there you have it in a nutshell with this kind of mix of developers, the ULTIMATE ROM is simply not possible... I certainly doubt I will never see it in my day or if we all go in 2012... If anyone does come up with something even slightly close to the ULTIMATE ROM I bet it will be Cyanogen or my man Dwang. Eugene was on the right track but he lost it when he turned out to be a SNiTcH AKA BIATCH of all ROM makers! But for real I love all ROM makers on XDA regardless of their motives or intentions, they spice up my life and hook my phone up and that makes them the ****. All of their work is appreciated obviously...

Wolfyy7 said:
You my friend are a pure genius, the problem is users ignorant and ROM makers naturally have low self-esteem. You see, take a guy like Haykuro he built the foundation for the first ROMs on the sapphire. Now he's fizzled out. BUT in the beginning he was the ****... Sure in every ROM maker's thread you will find credits etc. but that's all just ass kissing... You see, NO ROM MAKER DON'T MAKE ****! The only thing they get is an EGO BOOST! Who doesn't like an Ego boost? Developers at Google, HTC etc. Because they make $90,000+ a year doing what they do and they have normal lives with a wife and kids ideally... As for ROM makers on XDA they are either A) former workers at Google, HTC etc. who have grudges against their former employers OR B) they never got a real job working for a high end corporation like Google, HTC, etc. and ended up bumming it on XDA hoping one of their "fans" will buy they a lap dance... OR C) They are rich as **** and just love doin this **** for the hell of it because they like making ROMS, getting credit and most importantly, recognition and they ASS kissed constantly by people they don't even know... So there you have it in a nutshell with this kind of mix of developers, the ULTIMATE ROM is simply not possible... I certainly doubt I will never see it in my day or if we all go in 2012... If anyone does come up with something even slightly close to the ULTIMATE ROM I bet it will be Cyanogen or my man Dwang. Eugene was on the right track but he lost it when he turned out to be a SNiTcH AKA BIATCH of all ROM makers! But for real I love all ROM makers on XDA regardless of their motives or intentions, they spice up my life and hook my phone up and that makes them the ****. All of their work is appreciated obviously...
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LOL... thank God for the internet. Id read some of the debates youve had in other threads and they got me laughing. Im on the fence, because Im not one to take sides, but not only are you funny... but I actually agree with you on this. I mean, just one thread above me I have some guy telling me that I dont know what Im talking about. For one, Im not claiming to know all there is to know about these phones... or Id be working for Google making the big bucks... and two, he only reiterated things Id already disclaimed.
I didnt start this thread to get flamed, but opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.
I realize that most of my ideas wont see the light of day, because without the cash or proper credit, people wont work together unless they "get theirs"
A lot of these devs work their @$$es off and receive "tips" or donations purely because they love what they do and I respect that sincerely.
However, the idea that working "together" to create the ULTIMATE rom is possible. Devs asking for tips, help, or using work that one already accomplished isnt what im referring to. It would take moderators, coordinators, infrastructure, hierarchy, etc... To those that see the light of what im talking about, thank you... to the rest, thanks anyway

rossmoore81 said:
Well michael this thread did prove one very important thing. That even if your a senior member on this website you dont know jack. First cyan knows the nines and round here noone can really improve his stuff but him. Hence the reason he wont do his own hero rom. They lag no matter what. Sure you can take out all the widgets cut some fat off rosie. Well hell at that point just theme a donut rom. Running the heros and blurs r fun on g1 and mytouch. But if u ever actually pick up a hero phone or blur phone and test them.... u would see a huuuuuuuuuuuuge dif in performance. So basicly the guys know their crap. All of them. and they do work together. Read a drizzy post. Or other dev post. They always thank whoever for help. And if you want your ultimate rom follow cyan he will make it eventually.
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Read my words carefully... I am aware of what has gone on here on this site. I acknowledged that a lot of developers work well together. Unlike you, im not giving specific credit to any one or two individuals. We all know who has hit the brick and mortar with the foundations that have been set. A lot of those individuals communicate regularly.
I was nearly drawing into the fact that with technology, they could all (those who are willing, of course) conference regularly, establish agendas, specific tasks, and create a template. One that has been re-worked inside and out by each of their hands till there isnt any input that one individually could produce. From there, the focus objective could be the bigger picture like compatible themes, updates, easier installs, more features, etc.
I know im repeating myself to a degree, but I want to make sure the image is clear. There are a lot of devs doing the same thing, for some of the same reasons. But us users all come here for the SAME reason. To take our toy/ pride and joy/ project/ whatever you wanna call it... to the next level. To make it better than it was out of the box, to see the realms that it is truely capable of.
So rather than seeing some devs running into similar problems with their roms individually or simultaneously... One of two things would happen, either A: Solve it immediately once and for all or B: Catch the bug before it was even released. Hopefully my words inspire some of you. If not, keep up the great work.

Lol - cracking read

A Gentle Reminder and a Huge Thank You

I'm going to start off with the thank you portion.
​I seriously want to thank every single developer, modifier, creator and contributor on this site. Without all your hard and continuous work, we'd all be stuck with stock ROMs. How awful would that be!! I am not nearly as gifted as you all or I'd be doing this myself.
This leads me to my gentle reminder.....
I understand people expect perfection in everything but it isn't there. I really wish people would remember that all the wonderful things they find on this site to make their phone/tablet experiences better are FREE!!! The people who develop all these ROMs do so without cost to use. There is the option to donate but they don't refuse anyone usage if they choose not to. They accept and even ask for people to share issues they may have with what they have created. They do this so they can make what they've created better for us. What they don't ask for, and don't deserve, is to be blamed or ridiculed for our ineptness. If one hasn't followed the OP's instructions and choose to modify things then the issue is theirs. Not the developers. They deserve constructive feedback not criticism.
Look at it like this. If our phone stopped working or was working poorly and we took it in to where we purchased the phone and the person working there took the phone apart. Cleared out all the crap and installed a whole new operating system...for FREE!!! We would be kissing their a**es. And we all know that would never happen!
So please, if you've installed any of the ROMs offered to you here, or used any of the radios or kernels suggested, then be appreciative when you you share how well it is or isn't working for you.​

OP, well put and Thanks.