http://cgi.ebay.com/WM6-WINDOWS-MOB...ryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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http://cgi.ebay.com/WM6-WINDOWS-MOB...ryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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What???????????, thats is very bad, Dutty send a email to the ebay Listing Violations. this is the link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index_4.html?tier0=report_listing.js&item=290229506456
This seller need to stop sell your rom, you do all the hard work and they make money for your work.
It cant be stopped... Its crap but true...
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It cant be stopped... Its crap but true...
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Please elaborate.
It makes me sick, if you look at this guys ebay postings he is almost exclusively selling other people's "free" software.
Now, legally he could sell a service...say helping you install Dutty's on your phone, but I believe that is against ebay policy (selling a service).
Dutty please write to ebay...this guy has apparently had postings removed in the past. Make sure you point that out as well as ALL the software he is selling like yours...the more you can offer the better a case you will have.
Once you write to them and get some feedback, let us know. I think all of us that are ebay members should also write on your behalf (referencing your case ID).
Another thing you can do is to contact high-bidders and winners and let them know what he is doing.
While it may be an arduous process people like this need to be stopped.
I just sent a report violation on ebay claiming it was an OEM violation (since he states he is selling the "official HTC" ROM). I followed it up with this e-mail:
I have just sent in a report for item# 290229506456
It should be removed because it violated ebays policies regarding OEM infringement listed here:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/oem.html
This user is selling a copy of Operating System software that is from HTC (OEM) and is legally only available if you have purchased an HTC TyTn II device.
In addition, this user has been selling many products on ebay that are verions of software developed by others and distributed as "free ware" on the internet community.
In fact, this user appears to make a tidy profit to the unwitting public selling the work of others that even it's original authors do not charge for.
I would appreciate if you remove this listing and review all of the user's auctions for similar infringements.
It appears this user has been cautioned in the past and continues to violate these policies.
Thank you.
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I would encourage other user's to do the same. Feel free to use my e-mail. although please modify it slightly.
This is horrible. That person is the scum of the universe. This guy is a sick and shallow individual. Making money off of other people's hard work is just wrong.
there is a member with the exact same username
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=693931
Instead of saying its OEM... why not tell eBay its 'warez'. They take that much more seriously...
hm, not a bad idea, I think I'm gonna grab all the ROMs on XDA and start selling them on ebay to ****@$$ for $$$$$.
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Instead of saying its OEM... why not tell eBay its 'warez'. They take that much more seriously...
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Becuase technically I don't believe it is "WAREZ" it is not software that can be obtained through retail channels. No where can you go out and "buy" a ROM. In addiiton, the user doesn't claim he is selling a special hacked ROM, he claims he is selling the official HTC one.
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This is horrible. That person is the scum of the universe. This guy is a sick and shallow individual. Making money off of other people's hard work is just wrong.
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Oh yeah, because Dutty hasn't made a dime from all these ROMs.
I mean, I never got the idea he wrote them from scratch either.
The point being that generally ALL of the chefs here take someone else's work (HTC, OEM, et cetera), and do whatever they want with it, regardless of what that original entity wants or thinks.
This guy is doing the exact same thing whether you happen to like it or not.
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Oh yeah, because Dutty hasn't made a dime from all these ROMs.
I mean, I never got the idea he wrote them from scratch either.
The point being that generally ALL of the chefs here take someone else's work (HTC, OEM, et cetera), and do whatever they want with it, regardless of what that original entity wants or thinks.
This guy is doing the exact same thing whether you happen to like it or not.
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He's not. Because Dutty provides it for free and allows people to make a contribution. He takes the work and improves it with his own hard, he's not charging you for someone elses work, or even for his own work.
This guy on ebay is getting paid by saying it's his work when it's clearly clearly not.
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Oh yeah, because Dutty hasn't made a dime from all these ROMs.
I mean, I never got the idea he wrote them from scratch either.
The point being that generally ALL of the chefs here take someone else's work (HTC, OEM, et cetera), and do whatever they want with it, regardless of what that original entity wants or thinks.
This guy is doing the exact same thing whether you happen to like it or not.
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First off...Dutty doesn't SELL his ROM or REQUIRE payment. He accepts donations, that's all. Same with all the other chef's
Secondly, this guy isn't doing the exact same thing...he is not cooking his own ROM and selling it. He is selling DUTTY's ROM...the pictures and descriptions are identical.
In addition, even Dutty selling his cooked ROM would be illegal both by HTC's standards and by eBay's because it is copyright infringement since, as you correctly stated, these aren't being written from scratch, or rather written at all. They are just conglomerations of other's files (90% HTC, 10% 3rd party apps, many of which are "free").
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He's not. Because Dutty provides it for free and allows people to make a contribution. He takes the work and improves it with his own hard, he's not charging you for someone elses work, or even for his own work.
This guy on ebay is getting paid by saying it's his work when it's clearly clearly not.
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You missed the point: The point being that generally ALL of the chefs here take someone else's work (HTC, OEM, et cetera), and do whatever they want with it, regardless of what that original entity wants or thinks. The original manufacturers don't want Dutty, et al, doing it REGARDLESS of whether it's a tip or a donation or not.
It would likely bother you regardless of whether he claimed it as his work or not. Besides, I didn't see that he claimed that it was his work in that eBay listing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=693931
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=290229506456&Category=38331&_trksid=p3907.m29
same guy
IP BANNNNN
Originally Posted by rush242
It would likely bother you regardless of whether he claimed it as his work or not. Besides, I didn't see that he claimed that it was his work in that eBay listing.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/WM6-UPGRADE-T-MOBILE-MDA-HTC-WIZARD-WINDOWS-MOBILE-6_W0QQitemZ290229506911QQihZ019QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
here you go
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First off...Dutty doesn't SELL his ROM or REQUIRE payment. He accepts donations, that's all. Same with all the other chef's
Secondly, this guy isn't doing the exact same thing...he is not cooking his own ROM and selling it. He is selling DUTTY's ROM...the pictures and descriptions are identical.
In addition, even Dutty selling his cooked ROM would be illegal both by HTC's standards and by eBay's because it is copyright infringement since, as you correctly stated, these aren't being written from scratch, or rather written at all. They are just conglomerations of other's files (90% HTC, 10% 3rd party apps, many of which are "free").
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Again: The point being that generally ALL of the chefs here take someone else's work (HTC, OEM, et cetera), and do whatever they want with it, regardless of what that original entity wants or thinks.
This guy is selling what Dutty gave away for free. As was discussed earlier in Olipof's thread, it doesn't matter whether that is a book, a can of redbull, or a modified ROM. Once you've let it out of your control, what others do with it is their own business--no matter what you happen to think about it.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/WM6-UPGRADE-T-MOBILE-MDA-HTC-WIZARD-WINDOWS-MOBILE-6_W0QQitemZ290229506911QQihZ019QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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That is a different listing that states: "i worked really hard to provide this to you...." which is ambiguous at best. He may have worked really hard to provide it to someone. He does not claim that he wrote it.
Which, of course, could be construed as being misleading. But that really isn't the point. These listings would bother a lot of you REGARDLESS of what he says or doesn't say.
Least We All Be Hippocrates
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Oh yeah, because Dutty hasn't made a dime from all these ROMs.
I mean, I never got the idea he wrote them from scratch either.
The point being that generally ALL of the chefs here take someone else's work (HTC, OEM, et cetera), and do whatever they want with it, regardless of what that original entity wants or thinks.
This guy is doing the exact same thing whether you happen to like it or not.
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No doubt, and it won't stop us from sending donations to those who whip together the ROMS we all love.
Anybody hacking together code found on the web knows that he isn't in a ownership position, he is just having fun and can't expect to have any ownership over MS or HTC or 3rd party aps because he played DJ and mixed them together.
I make donations based on the labor cooks put in researching, mixing, testing and sharing and that will not change because someone is willing to help the Luddites finally get that god-awful factory ROM off their freaking phone.
I have mad respect for Dutty and and at the rate he pumps out ROMS I don't think that it is any sweat off his back that someone is using one of his zillion old ROMs to help people have better cellular experiences.
My recommendation is that we do what HTC and MS are kind enough to do with us (and that auction on ebay) IGNORE IT!
Stop Snitching!
If you guys really wanna play police and go stop people from doing what you do then I really ask you to stop a minute and think about what it would be like if this was all shut down because MS and HTC had someone writing letters complaining that we are ignoring their REALLY ENFORCEABLE copyright.
As the old saying goes: "May he without sin cast the first stone."
I'm not sure of the legality of selling Microsoft software (that was customized). It is like selling Vista for $5 and saying: "I changed the theme for you and it was very hard to do", but it is even worse because the theme was changed by someone else.
XDA should find someone savvy to research common licenses and burn in warnings to people at first startup saying that if they paid for it, they got hosed.
edit: Good point, but it is still very different. Microsoft is not going to waste resources to stop XDA from doing something harmless and then asking for donations. We are pointing out the fact that he is demanding payment.
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Windows-Mobil...oryZ3312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Well I must admit this is pretty low, chances are the person selling it is on this board too.
Selling your own hard work is fine, selling others non profitable hard work is pathetic, I hope the person responsible is feeling very guilty about now!
That stinks, someone should find out who this guy is?
£1.99 very appealing until you see he is charging £8.01 for postage on an electronic download.
Maybe he'll donate the money to xda developers - I don't think.
He did donate though, not much.
wm06 on ebay
Hi guys
As there is apx 244,000 members on here perhaps we should ALL ask him a question about where its from - wonder what ebay's response would be?
It might stop him from profiting from others hard work - unless of course it is genuine
regards
jon
Link please?
What a stupid person ! ! !
If it is for Universal, Video Calling is not properly working yet and he/she will be screwed.
Link is in the first post, yes he is selling the Universal without the video call!!
Have asked the question lets see what he comes back with!
WM6
Don`t think anyone will get a reply now as Ebay have removed and cancelled the posting !!...that was quick for a change!!.
Clive
And the account seems to be suspended as well.
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And the account seems to be suspended as well.
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judging by the feedback, hes already made £120 out of it.
Take out his selling fees and that he has been suspended from Ebay and all the trouble he's gone to the profit wasn't worth it...
Should be thrown off this site too...
WM6
Good point stelladel.....
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Reply from the seller
This is the reply I got from the seller NOT from me personally as from following post it looks if it was me IT IS NOT just to make it as clear as day (and if the mods wish to ban the seller) they can PM me and I will send his name.
I've put an ADD on email with a step by step guide to flash the devices.I've seen a lot of "mod" people bricking their devices due to a bad explanation of the flashing process,complicated links,corrupted files and so on.IE: I myself colected information from a developer site and tried to flash an Imate Jam and after the process was done...it was bricked!!!End of story I ended up with a worthless device and no support whatsoever!!!
So I had this idea of making a friendly step by step guide and offering a support to the buyers in case the flash process goes wrong. And don't tell me it is a risk free process...For instace from the 15 roms I've sold out I had to give support for 3 buyers that even with the step by step guide they manage to not completely follow the steps and needed extra support (such as special roms that are able to recover half bricked devices).
So what I actually offer is a lower risk to the buyers.Up to 85% of my buyers know that these tool I'm selling might be "free" elsewhere. But this "free" means no support as well.So this is a great value for money choice as all the tec stuff and tools needed are gathered together with download links,explanation,step by step guide and support by email or msn or even by phone in English, Portuguese or Spanish.
So this is what I offer. Part of the money gathered are sent to the development site so we can keep improving HTC devices.
Best Regards
(I do have his name but not that evil to post it)
sure, that's why you want 8 Bucks for the Download right?
You suck guy, no one here will believe your stupid "oh i did nothing wrong" bull....
You tried to earn Money with other peoples work and with non-licensed software. You can't deny that and that's exactly why you should be banned out of every single ppc-board (this, pdamobiz, etc) forever.
Everyone gets support here within a few hours, i don't think some like you is only even almost able to replace all the knowledge of the pplz in this and other ppc-boards.
So got and tell your fairytales some who is stupid enough to believe you.
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Whether you offered support or not is not applicable, the simple fact is you tried to profiteer from other peoples work without their permission.
You broke the ethics of this board in doing so, caused a certain amount of distress - these actions you took without consideration to the developers, or board members.
If you believe you perceived intentions were honourable and justified then that is your opinion. I believe as do others that posted on this topic you were wrong to do so, as apparently do Ebay.
Hi all,
i was googling for tweakui and came a result from handango.com => http://www.handango.com/SoftwareCat...Id=2&N=96806+4294910762&showBreadCrumbs=false
Check this guy is selling the tools he got free here at xda-devs.
the people who made the soft should do something about it...
I've just written to Handango. Please write to them to and get this thief off their books.
I have noticed that your vendor T.N Vietaus Trade (Australia) is selling a number of illegal (ie pirated or stolen IP) products, including Microsoft ROMs for Windows Mobile phones.
Also, he is reselling free products written by members of the xda developers forum at a significant mark up, free software for example being sold for $49.99.
Please ask this vendor to remove this software, or remove it for him.
Kind regards,
vijay555 (moderator at xda-developers.com)
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What a ****en Lame ass *****. THat is just the lowest you can go to, selling stuff that is offered to us here for free. **** him, ive written to them also to get this ***** from selling stuff on there. Good eye and thanks for making everyone aware of this.
I've sent handago an email as well. Keep the emails going.
what is the email?
Found the HQ phone number, will try to call (cant call anymore sorry) but will need more info on this like what app and other stuff that you can give
305 NE Loop 820
Suite 600
Hurst, Texas 76053
Corporate Office: 817-280-0129
Fax: 817-280-9628
He has ebooks in http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/category.aspx?bcatid=1129&av=14-275257
And same app's come up in the Microsoft handango page that is linked to the Microsoft Windows Mobile Product page Site http://microsoft.handango.com/PlatformTopSoftware.jsp?siteId=75&platformId=2&title=T.N+Vietaus+Trade+(Australia)&authorId=1811375
Mod needed
Can a mod post this in other forums so that everyone that has made a app can check if their app is in the selling list
Email of the supposed developer tnvietaus AT gmail dot com
And if im doing something wrong in giving this out, this info is on the web
This is insane.
haha I just left HORRIBLE reviews warning people on all of the links you just provided Mike.. lol.
I also emailed HIM... and Handango.
no, I just let them know that this stuff was available for free ...
The thing that IRKS me is he doesnt explain that there is MORE to just downloading and running the update to these.. so alot of people are probably ruining their devices.
FYI, this is one instance where the DMCA can be used to your benefit (if you are one of the software authors).
Do NOT write to Handango, et al, complaining that someone is selling free software.
Do write to the resellers and state, factually, that this person is selling software that *you* wrote without your permission or authorization. Also state, very factually, that you want the software pulled and any monies charged for the software to either be refunded to the purchasers or forwarded to you.
What would also help out is if all the software authors were to allow one person (perhaps vijay would be a good choice as he is both a mod and a software author) to act on their behalf so there is a single point of contact for XDA.
Tell me the address of Handago (and Microsoft, If I have read and understand well) and I also send an email.
Just a thought: many here (maybe me too?) searchin' and using no purchased software, and therefore one of us (or one of those having this "habit", if you like more saying so) has found not violating any legal or moral law. World goes around...
Gubbài.
He is selling over 90 titles, and they are ALL available here for free just about.. he is selling the dang HTC X-button for 24 dollars! lol.
derma, I think everyone here is realistic about software availability and software use... read around for my personal views on warez etc.
The board however has a strict policy on banning for distributing warez.
But, it takes some particularly spiteful cojones to steal someone else's work and then put your name on it and sell it. And then selling at an absurd markup... come on. There's reasonable cheekiness, but that's just taking the micky.
V
Understanding doesn't mean accepting
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derma, I think everyone here is realistic about software availability and software use... read around for my personal views on warez etc.
The board however has a strict policy on banning for distributing warez.
But, it takes some particularly spiteful cojones to steal someone else's work and then put your name on it and sell it. And then selling at an absurd markup... come on. There's reasonable cheekiness, but that's just taking the micky.
V
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Just to explain my position about this.
As I wrote on the title of this post, I figure out what it can be the reasoning of this person but meanwhile I absolutely don't accept what he did (or it's better saying "what he didn't do" 'cos what he's selling it's not stuff of his own).
My thought doesn't want to be a provocation, at least not a gratuitous provocation, but a simple-soft thinking about a hard problem: copy-right (and use-wrong).
Obviously this is a real theft, more odious than that "normally" made to the detriment of that author of the software who sell his creation having the conceptual rights to do that. In this case we can see instead a double somersault: he sell something not of his own that originally is (was) free.
Hope being plain.
PS: "cojones"?! Maravilloso! ¡Hasta la revolución, siempre!
Gubbài.
It isn't just the markup, its the flagrant lack of informing people of the consequences of attempting to use those warez without having ample experience with their device. He just says 'For expert. Use at your own risk' he doesn't say .. 'If you don't know what you are doing your phone is dead.. d .. e .. a .. d' .. I feel bad for the people who have purchased these and tried to run them not knowing about unlocking and what not.. it's a shame
OMG, another one.
http://shop.my-symbian.com/Platform...0&productType=2&platformId=2&productId=208881
Where can i find the tweakUI here?
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OMG, another one.
http://shop.my-symbian.com/Platform...0&productType=2&platformId=2&productId=208881
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Review added saying it's free here.
Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
I wish you good luck Olipro, it's very anoying that someone is mass selling your work
Unlocker
I unlocked my device using your tool and it was successful without any issues... unfortunately (or fortunately (dunno)); I'm not living in the UK but I would like to help thou if I can
just give your sign man
Burn the bleeder!!!!
Olipro.
I'd like to think i speak for all.....
The amount of time you and others have spent is outstanding... and you do so for the community for free.
Having some guy take this "free for personal use utility" and sell it.. amounts to ... lets say... theft... and well deserved for a good kickin.
I know that ebay will take action to stop anyone selling a product if there is a copyright infringement. .. don't know if that is a path...
But.. Branding the utilities.. and basically making it clearly written that it is not ALLOWED to SELL... and if they purchased it.. please contact the seller for a refund.. will make it a real pain in the backside...
As for existing on sale products.... I'd put adds in totally copying the listing.. and making it free!!! or charge a penny... including the line...
"why pay XYZ £x.xx for this unlocker.. when you can buy it now for a penny.. (or we can make it less than the other seller....) and make the payments all go to the actual developers paypal donations account!!!
???
I'm happy to do it.. (i have an ebay account i really don't mind burning...)
PM me and we can do this...
Wasted effort.
You guys could probably find something far more productive to do with your time than wasting effort on someone who is selling something that was given away for free.
Just like Monster (like redbull) has been running around, giving away cans of their product. Anyone who wants to can sell those cans to anyone who is willing to pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
That isn't to say, I don't appreciate your efforts Olipro, I do. But frankly, even if you charged for it, I would pay you because it's worth it to me. Without a second thought as to how you came about it, whether you wrote it.
I simply couldn't care less--neither do any of this guy's buyers. Why should they?
actually, i was aiming for a settlement, but if that's not forthcoming then I'll lodge a claim.
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Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
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what kinda help you looking for? I'm willing to help you, just let me know what you need
If it is only one (or a few) bloke you have a strong case.
I don't know wether I can be of any help as I am living in Holland.
As Olipro has already admitted he cannot copyright or licence this as he has hacked the AMSS.
"Yes folks... the one you've been waiting for... finally managed to get the patched AMSS to boot... a nice big "up your arse" to Qualcomm."
A hacker cannot licence anything they hack as it is someone elses work in the first place. He is also using a patched Radio rom. This Radio rom is HTC property, and as such he cannot licence that.
These threads are getting very boring, it is about time Olipro got a life, and stopped crying about it.
Tinman
^ ouch did he really just do that?
Yeah he did. Only problem with his statement would be if he used Olipro's HardSPL at ANY TIME in the past or present for ANY DEVICE that he wanted to flash a cooked ROM to. Pot calling the bong green? Let's find out...
(insert sarcasm) Hey Tinman, ever flash a cooked ROM onto an HTC device before?
*sigh* Seriously... I support Oli's "right to fair trade". He along with many others developed the tools *we all* use to make our phones as customized as we can make them (big props to you Oli; HardSPL v1 for the Kaiser is on point!), and some pond water scum (he did say it was a bloke, right?) is selling his FREE programs?! Yeah, I'd be looking to "settle" as well. So don't jump down *his* throat saying he needs to get a life. Try the word "hobby", since for most of us that's all it is, and I'm sure cooking, flashing and ROM development is a hobby for him as well.
Oli, you've got support here in the states, especially with us AT&Tingular folks. Keep up the good work, and if you find the fool(s) behind this, shove one of those Cricket paddles in his arse for us! Or at least reach some sort of agreement...
It was Des who first made a hacked spl, Pof then took it a stage further, Olipro's is based on those. So again not his work.
Tinman.
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You guys could probably find something far more productive to do with your time than wasting effort on someone who is selling something that was given away for free.
Just like Monster (like redbull) has been running around, giving away cans of their product. Anyone who wants to can sell those cans to anyone who is willing to pay for them. There's nothing wrong with that, either.
That isn't to say, I don't appreciate your efforts Olipro, I do. But frankly, even if you charged for it, I would pay you because it's worth it to me. Without a second thought as to how you came about it, whether you wrote it.
I simply couldn't care less--neither do any of this guy's buyers. Why should they?
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That is the stupidest example I have ever heard. This is more like someone taking redbull and selling redbull as their own brand, not a different one because they did nothing other than copy the EXACT software, ass.
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Well guys... I got the full details of the main bloke mass-selling the unlocker in the UK... so, anyone out there with advice on the move to make next... or anyone who'd like to help?
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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In the UK they got the Themes it might work Oli, just give a big shout out and i'll help!
i'll hold his legs
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That is the stupidest example I have ever heard. This is more like someone taking redbull and selling redbull as their own brand, not a different one because they did nothing other than copy the EXACT software, ass.
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The stupidest example you've ever heard, eh? "Well, no offense, lady, but what you don't know could fill a warehouse." --Bart Simpson.
If you buy a can of redbull, or if redbull gives you the can for free, you DO have the right to sell that exact can. Or as many of them as you wish.
You do not have the right to claim the brand as your own, but you do have the right to sell the item. These ROMs, unlockers, bits o' software, et cetera are no different.
The seller cannot claim that he has a copyright on them, or that he wrote them but he is perfectly within his rights to sell them whether anyone likes it or not. Rest assured, he can and will still sell them w/o claiming that he wrote them.
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Where i live here on the border between mexico and the us people who do **** like that end up swimming face down in the rio grand river
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Hey, wouldn't it be grand if HTC, and AT&T and all the other guys that own these ROMs, et cetera, sent thugs to send all of the cookers here into the Rio Grande swimming face down? You know, because it "amounts to ... lets say... theft... and well deserved for a good kickin."
Oh, wait, you don't want that? Why is that, do you think?
Maybe those corporations could all just file suit against these guys? Would that be better?
Or would it be better that, like they do now, they just tacitly accept this stuff and generally ignore it?
i think the only thing you can do is sell your unlocker at a low price and add in one thing that most of the other sellers wont probably do. Give exact help. What better for a buyer to see is that they are buying the item from the creator.
Unfortuanatly there is no legal way to stop these other sellers and as long as good guys like yourself give us free brilliant programs your gonna get the odd ar*ehole thats gonna make money off it.
And to thoughs who ***** about how oli, why read his thread why use his program. God sake if your smart enough create your own program, and i hope you get someone that goes and sells your program and see how you like it!
thanks oli for services to this forum
to the sobs who r hating on oli go to helll. the guy creates/improves a wonderful program and this is how u thank him???? oli i am greatful 4 ur work as i use it.
oli is not making money by helping people get liberation from their piece of **** oem spl/roms; therefore att and htc really can't come after him. seondly if it wasn't for hackers/developers u would not have internet as it is today. hackers weret he ones who built the www. so long live hackers and people like olipro and go to hell corporate lovers.
p.s. i just hope none u losers r using his or any chefs roms ... hypocrits
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to the sobs who r hating on oli go to helll. the guy creates/improves a wonderful program and this is how u thank him???? oli i am greatful 4 ur work as i use it.
oli is not making money by helping people get liberation from their piece of **** oem spl/roms; therefore att and htc really can't come after him. seondly if it wasn't for hackers/developers u would not have internet as it is today. hackers weret he ones who built the www. so long live hackers and people like olipro and go to hell corporate lovers.
p.s. i just hope none u losers r using his or any chefs roms ... hypocrits
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What are you 12? This is nearly incoherent.
No one is saying Oli and the rest can't do what they do, or that other people cannot use their tools. They're saying that once you release something to someone else--you lose control over it, be that some software you hacked, some can of redbull, a used car, or anything else. I love what they do, I pay them for it, and I would even if they charged for it. That doesn't mean that they can control what others do with it.
Yeah, um haxx0rz rulz lol omg!
i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
they are just happy to find a place where winmo doesn't get bashed constantly
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i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
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LOL, your first post and you have a pop at this site?
You dont work for MS do you
GREAT first post.
anyway.
They tolerate it because we don't personally host anything and yes, we do make windows mobile better.
Also, this site actively opposes software theft, (warez and others like it,) which is the bulk of any copyright problems. It spreads goodwill towards Microsoft, believe it or not; if users have problems with standard Microsoft software, they don't have to just sit there and be unhappy, it can be tweaked. By doing so, people are happier with their Microsoft-driven equipment, and more likely to keep using it than changing to something else. There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone.
It is also free tech-support for Microsoft, which saves them loads of money.
LOL duude...are u an attorney or do u own an iphone?
m$ knows better to keep this site alive. its their faults we are tweakin up and makin it better. beside...you never know...this draws a lot and i mean a lot of ppl towards m$. so i m pretty much sure the revenue keeps em' happy
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There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone
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One here!!!
microsoft never sold wm to any end user
and this site never taken part in porting wm to a device that dident came with it
more because of the close to impossibility of doing so
so as ms still get their licensense from the manufactors
and better rep with users who can get more out of their devices then just
depending on what the manfucators give before they forget about older devices
and move on to their new stuff
more wm phone owners keep getting new wm devices rather then moving to iphones or symbian devices so
it helps ms out alot in their quest of getting a larger % of the market
Plus, along with the free tech ehlp, the improving of current phones, we all know new htc phones will be tweaked cooked and stuff, so buy another phone. so XDA not only saves tehm money, but actually gains them money
It's because of this site that I'm looking at the Windows Mobile platform for my next phone rather than traditional Nokia, Sony Ericsson (other than x1), or even the iPhone..... actually come to think of it, without the exisitence of this site EVER, I would get an iPhone 3G right away.
you will see that in the coming future microsoft will be incorporating programs and devs that were created through this site to their platform. There was once a time when microsoft tried to shut it down when they realised that the site actually brings more people to microsoft and keeps them there.
LOL! I was going to post something else, but I'm pretty sure everybody has already said it, or thinks it! To much good comes from this site! Think about it, how many users of this site are now WM users for good and will always be sold on the next best WM platform because of this site.
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Also, this site actively opposes software theft, (warez and others like it,) which is the bulk of any copyright problems. It spreads goodwill towards Microsoft, believe it or not; if users have problems with standard Microsoft software, they don't have to just sit there and be unhappy, it can be tweaked. By doing so, people are happier with their Microsoft-driven equipment, and more likely to keep using it than changing to something else. There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone.
It is also free tech-support for Microsoft, which saves them loads of money.
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Yup, that's it.
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LOL! I was going to post something else, but I'm pretty sure everybody has already said it, or thinks it! To much good comes from this site! Think about it, how many users of this site are now WM users for good and will always be sold on the next best WM platform because of this site.
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Amen to that!
Why haven't they done anything?
because nobody there is smoking crack
Would you close down a site that gets people talking about your products ? that is full of people writing programs that enhances the usability of your products? that's a great place to see some ideas you might steal for later versions of your OS.
This is free R&D!
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i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
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Alas, I saw this differently with others. I think the question is very out of topic since this is an All-HTC-Devices forum, not an M$ WM forum. It's only 'coincidence' that after these years, HTC always used WM as their OS.
If HTC decided in the future that they will build their own OS, or maybe use Android, then it may trigger M$ to reconsider its stance against this forum. Especially, when we -as always- try to improve our experience with the devices, do it by porting some parts (drivers/softwares) from WM to other OS, or vice versa. Then the issue may be valid.
Btw, I don't know but do you all think it's safe -legally and/or morally- to port other vendor/ODM's part (drivers/softwares/etc) into our HTC devices? I ask this because I saw many attempts already...
I don't know the exact number of people on this site, but I do know that there are a whole lot of people on this site. My point for that last sectence is "would you destroy a site that has FREE workers helping your company out to better there products and gain more money"
Yes, we might receive applications before they are release, but honestly where do you really think we receive those from uuuummmm?
So again, if I was a big company I would never touch this site because I will pass my software to this site let eveyone play with it and then I would know where all the bugs are at. So then I will fix it and then sale it.
There might be alot of poeple on this site but I think MS has a lot more customers that don't even know that this site is even alive.
There you go my 2 cents.
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I don't know the exact number of people on this site, but I do know that there are a whole lot of people on this site. My point for that last sectence is "would you destroy a site that has FREE workers helping your company out to better there products and gain more money"
Yes, we might receive applications before they are release, but honestly where do you really think we receive those from uuuummmm?
So again, if I was a big company I would never touch this site because I will pass my software to this site let eveyone play with it and then I would know where all the bugs are at. So then I will fix it and then sale it.
There might be alot of poeple on this site but I think MS has a lot more customers that don't even know that this site is even alive.
There you go my 2 cents.
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and if the truth be known, they (M$) are happy that the masses dont know., in truth, the people on this site contain more knowledge and expertise than all of m$ combined as far as HTC handsets are concerned and how to tweak and tune the software to ACTUALLY work. it could be perceived as (truth) the Big companies are just mass clearing houses of useless data they can sell for a profit. how many of us came here for the first time only looking for useable software programs? how many of us came here for the first time trying to find a solution to an OEM problem?
M$ has found a truly unique forum in the world of r&d., although probably more out of frustration than than anything else, the majority of talented people here could teach this stuff to most of the employees at m$ about these devices and how they work and why.
I would be very surprised if they didnt have a staff of several people working there monitoring and testing to roms and software packages developed or tweaked through this site. they would have to be unbelieveably arrogant to think this is a bad thing for business, and we all know who one of the richest men and companies in the world is dont we. he didnt just fall off the truck so to speak, he understands..............economics!
With all of that in mind can anyone understand why pocket development is not possible on Visual studio express editions (free).
Isn't that a shoot on the foot? I think so.
I think that a platform with a lot of developers is much more appeling, and then seel more. Only a opinion from someone that will never buy a iphone.
Linky to story
Wow, so we help HTC get to the place they are today (and don't underestimate our contribution) and this is the thanks.
Glad I'm getting a Dell in 2 months.
(Please tell me I misunderstand!)
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for some reason i feel the opposite towards this.
I am glad that they put a hardware chip that can bring the phone back to factory default settings. They probably did this because so many people had bricked their phones with no real way to get them back up and running so they had to send them in.... This way it should eliminate that whole process....
why this is good?
It will be cracked, and will give modders room to store custom roms or clockwork recovery on this... or.....
A MOD CHIP!!!! imagine a small mod chip that could enable or disable the chip. You muck up your phone, hit the switch... go back to factory defaults.
Reminds me of the old Playstations where I had to go get them chipped to be modded.
First off it was a pretty good read. Personally I would take this as yet another reason to keep up the awesome work done by the fine programmers here on XDA! Give them something else to "access & modify".
All in all, I never got the feeling of "eff off". But then again, that was just me.
What a whiner. Every day I'm more and more disgusted by some of the people on here. What have you personally done to help HTC aside from maybe buy a phone of theirs? What have they done for you? Oh, they gave you a miracle of modern technology. The ability to have a phone in your pocket which is amazing by itself, forget the fact that it can look up maps, browse the internet, play music and videos, etc.
What about people who don't even have phones?
You're sitting here complaining because of issues rooting a phone which YOU DONT EVEN OWN or intend to buy judging from your comments.
Let me also ask you this: Is the ability to root a phone a feature that is advertised or standard on any devices? Are phone manufactures supposed to be supporting this?
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What a whiner. Every day I'm more and more disgusted by some of the people on here. What have you personally done to help HTC aside from maybe buy a phone of theirs? What have they done for you? Oh, they gave you a miracle of modern technology. The ability to have a phone in your pocket which is amazing by itself, forget the fact that it can look up maps, browse the internet, play music and videos, etc.
What about people who don't even have phones?
You're sitting here complaining because of issues rooting a phone which YOU DONT EVEN OWN or intend to buy judging from your comments.
Let me also ask you this: Is the ability to root a phone a feature that is advertised or standard on any devices? Are phone manufactures supposed to be supporting this?
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wow, you have some issues going on there don't you (Apart from not being able to read)
Pretty much anyone thats posted on here has helped in one way or another, by answering peoples technical queries etc.
Your right, I don't own the phone and I certainly intend NOT to buy one now. I was going to be tempted as I prefer open phones rather than locked down ... but not now. If I'm going to be locked down I may as well get a good one. If your on these boards then you must know that HTC "stock" roms are usualy rubbish. Buy this at your peril.
No it's not an advertised feature but HTC have unofficialy endorsed this site, so they want there cake and eat it?
and what an irrelevant thing to say:
"What about people who don't even have phones?"
Tell ya what, i'll raise ya, what about all the starving people in Africa!
p.s. i've not commited to the Lightning but its certainly the front runner.... unless something else comes out.
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What a whiner. Every day I'm more and more disgusted by some of the people on here. What have you personally done to help HTC aside from maybe buy a phone of theirs? What have they done for you? Oh, they gave you a miracle of modern technology. The ability to have a phone in your pocket which is amazing by itself, forget the fact that it can look up maps, browse the internet, play music and videos, etc.
What about people who don't even have phones?
You're sitting here complaining because of issues rooting a phone which YOU DONT EVEN OWN or intend to buy judging from your comments.
Let me also ask you this: Is the ability to root a phone a feature that is advertised or standard on any devices? Are phone manufactures supposed to be supporting this?
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Would you be happy if you bought a car and told you you went allowed to mod it or accessorise it? What someone does with their own device is none of anyone elses business INCLUDING the manufacturer and provider. If I buy a sponge cake I should be able to add whatever decorations and icing I want, If I buy a PC I should be able to install whatever OS and programs I want. Is that so hard to understand?
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Would you be happy if you bought a car and told you you went allowed to mod it or accessorise it? What someone does with their own device is none of anyone elses business INCLUDING the manufacturer and provider. If I buy a sponge cake I should be able to add whatever decorations and icing I want, If I buy a PC I should be able to install whatever OS and programs I want. Is that so hard to understand?
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hard to understand? not at all.
also, not true. you can't legally install apple OS on non-apple hardware. you can't legally alter an iphone. you can't legally mod your car with NOS or any number of other things.
there are still laws, and company policy to take into consideration. your argument is furthered by the fact that android is open source - but what that REALLY means is that Android can be thrown on any manufacturers phone with no limitations - NOT that any phone that has android HAS no limitations.
I WISH the world allowed us to do whatever we wanted without ourselves and our possessions, but that is simply not the case.
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hard to understand? not at all.
also, not true. you can't legally install apple OS on non-apple hardware. you can't legally alter an iphone. you can't legally mod your car with NOS or any number of other things.
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Actually you can. You may not be allowed to take it on public roads, but you can do whatever you want with your car on private property as long as it dosent cause injury or damage to others property or other mischief.
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there are still laws, and company policy to take into consideration. your argument is furthered by the fact that android is open source - but what that REALLY means is that Android can be thrown on any manufacturers phone with no limitations - NOT that any phone that has android HAS no limitations.
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And why should people sit back silently if they dont agree with this? Why should they be able to advertise the good features of the device without anyone mentioning the significant drawbacks?
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I WISH the world allowed us to do whatever we wanted without ourselves and our possessions, but that is simply not the case.
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At the moment You CAN do whatever you want with YOUR posessions as long as it does not cause harm or injury to other persons or property. There is no excuse for treating these devices differently. If you feel that flashing is illegal, I would have to ask what you are doing on XDA?
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Would you be happy if you bought a car and told you you went allowed to mod it or accessorise it?
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Maybe if I was actually going to buy the car. What if instead I just chose to ***** about a car that I had no plans on buying?
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Maybe if I was actually going to buy the car. What if instead I just chose to ***** about a car that I had no plans on buying?
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OK -
so first, where did I say I was never interested in this phone? If you care to take a look at my posting history you will see I'm desperate for a phone with a keyboard. (ROM issue aside) I did take a look at this phone but the screen is just a little too small for me and I just don't personaly like Android. If this is your ONLY argument, then you know you really have no argument - move along please, nothing to see here.
Second, you seem to be missing the grand picture. You see all those subforums for each phone right? Pay particular attention to the "ROMs" subforums for EACH phone.... delete them. IF I understand this correctly, none of the new phones (assuming they all employ this) will have cooked ROMs. Why do you think most of us are here? Thats right, because HTC ROMs out of the box are crap... cooked ROMs have certainly saved my use of HTC phones and to be honest, are one of the priamary reasons I would buy a HTC phone (and have!).
Third, if you had any idea what I was talking about you would know that this is not so much about the "phone" itself but the very fact that cooked ROMs will no longer be possible. If it was about the phone, I would have posted it in the G2 section.
So in summary, (and this might be hard for you) please, try to focus on the new "feature" of the phone rather than the phone itself. Also, try to stop assuming facts like I was never going to buy this phone and really, if this is the best discussion point you can bring, please use the "unsubscribe" option - do us all a favour.
Monty Burns said:
wow, you have some issues going on there don't you (Apart from not being able to read)
Pretty much anyone thats posted on here has helped in one way or another, by answering peoples technical queries etc.
Your right, I don't own the phone and I certainly intend NOT to buy one now. I was going to be tempted as I prefer open phones rather than locked down ... but not now. If I'm going to be locked down I may as well get a good one. If your on these boards then you must know that HTC "stock" roms are usualy rubbish. Buy this at your peril.
No it's not an advertised feature but HTC have unofficialy endorsed this site, so they want there cake and eat it?
and what an irrelevant thing to say:
"What about people who don't even have phones?"
Tell ya what, i'll raise ya, what about all the starving people in Africa!
p.s. i've not commited to the Lightning but its certainly the front runner.... unless something else comes out.
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Death, I'll take your lack of acknowlegdment or response to this post as an appology.
No problem, its OK.
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If you feel that flashing is illegal, I would have to ask what you are doing on XDA?
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Would you, have to?
I don't "feel" it is illegal. I don't believe it is wrong - but they have the legal right to tell me it is. that doesn't mean i won't do it anyway - I just don't lie to myself and say it is allowed... even if I believe that it should be.
there's a difference between recognizing the law and following it. I'm not saying I don't agree, that it sucks that they will lock out ROMs. BUT - I've got my Evo and it will last me for years, so i really don't care.
it's called reality. I'm not arguing that your opinion is wrong - i'm highlighting that it is just your opinion, and in this world they don't mean much.
tell you what though - you go ahead and organize the rally and once you get more than 1,000 people signed up i'll join.
let me know.
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Hi Mr Anon,
I must have missed the bit where I swore....? I remember putting a few **'s in... oh wait, I wasn't swearing there, just pointing out that I used **'s.... er.... um.... oh dear. They are used much like Beeps on tv....
Whatever, its only a forum, gues must be the end of the world to lose access for "beeps"