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hi
what are the differences beetween these phone\pda ? i read that have the same hw, but i can use all software for xda with eten? also for win updates ?
No, they do not have the same hardware, and they do not have the same ROM/windows updates.
It is pocketpc based though, so you can use many of the same applications (such as games etc.) but not xda-specific applications.
Here are the P700 specs
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/handhelds/0,39001705,39019820p,00.htm
Here are the P300 specs
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/articles/AT5796498270.html
Here are the Himalaya/XDA2 specs
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaFAQ
The P300 has a 400Mhz cpu, but no camera and only 64MB RAM. The P700 is the slower device (200Mhz/32MB RAM), but does have a camera.
If you own an eten, this forum will be no more useful to you than any other pocketpc forum. However, the thing is pretty cheap.
pda buyer's guide review of the eTen P300B
http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/Eten_P300B.htm
uh.. wfberg i think you got the specs the wrong way round.
the p300 has the 200mhz cpu and the p700 has the 400 mhz.
just incase you didnt notice ;-)
BEWARE! I was the owner of the Eten P603 - which was bought through a German distributor of the Taiwanese manufacturer (their attempt to capture the European market) about 7 months ago. It has since been discontinued and was not nor is not supported by either the manufacturer NOR the original distributor due to the fact that Taiwan would never return their queries for assistance either for hardware or software.
I had bad experiences with the device, the distributor and NO assistance what-so-ever from EtenCorp in Taiwan either... an all around bad experience.
I now have since purchased the Qtek 2020 and am very pleased because of their community and constant updates, if there is a problem there is a solution... not the same with Eten.
- Just MY 2 cents worth -
This is a question that maybe a lot of members have.
As we known OMAP850 has 2 cores 200 Mhz for GSM and 200 Mhz for WM App
And that is great ... But what happend with INTEL Processors?
I was looking info on the web about PXA27X and how manage the Mhz when WM have app running and have a incoming call.
Example. If a INTEL PXA27X has 400 Mhz how much Mhz will gone in GSM.
Or INTEL PXA27X has another core for GSM? Like OMAP850?
Or when has a incomming call the 400Mhz goes to 300Mhz or less ?
I got a TEK S200 and I ask this because I wanna buy another PDA, maybe HTC, ETEN or HP and i have this doubt.
gzprophet said:
This is a question that maybe a lot of members have.
As we known OMAP850 has 2 cores 200 Mhz for GSM and 200 Mhz for WM App
And that is great ... But what happend with INTEL Processors?
I was looking info on the web about PXA27X and how manage the Mhz when WM have app running and have a incoming call.
Example. If a INTEL PXA27X has 400 Mhz how much Mhz will gone in GSM.
Or INTEL PXA27X has another core for GSM? Like OMAP850?
Or when has a incomming call the 400Mhz goes to 300Mhz or less ?
I got a TEK S200 and I ask this because I wanna buy another PDA, maybe HTC, ETEN or HP and i have this doubt.
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I'm not really sure what you mean - do you mean if the CPU has enough computation power to execute other tasks while the GSM is active?
If you have followed my articles (most importantly, the ones concerning recording phone calls), you already know the answer: yes, the CPU has the power to execute almost anything else. I haven't made exact CPU usage benchmarks (with acbTaskMan), but I don't think the CPU usage of the GSM module is higher than, say, 20% on a 416 MHz XScale.
it all depends on yr usage. and what u do with yr pda phone.
omap is good for battery life, if u just do appointment & task, simple mp3 leisure yes its for u (dun think abt video)
samsung chip, for 3g, good for almost all but cant support better playback for dvd quality example MOV files on tcpmp
intel chip, 416mhz is good for everything, skype, youtube, mov dvd quality video play back. but battery life sucks...
as HTC use more of TI OMAP on non 3g or SAMSUNG chip for 3g device.
while O2 Asia use INTEL chip for all the devices but have customize the chip so that u can choose between PERFORMANCE or BATTERY LIFE. appears in XDA IIi (htc/ppc2003), STEALTH (gigabyte/wm5), Zinc (asus/wm5/6), Atom Life (quanta/wm5/6), Flame (arima/wm5). so far only o2/asus/gigabyte have such feature for their pda phone.
so if you like multifunction/tasking(skype/msn/wifi/internet radio/surfing). get a good device, like ATOM LIFE
oh one more, XDA 1 is using INTEL 150mhz if i recall haha
so if u like intel so much & u want that speed, find wallaby haha
Tabbe said:
samsung chip, for 3g, good for almost all but cant support better playback for dvd quality example MOV files on tcpmp
intel chip, 416mhz is good for everything, skype, youtube, mov dvd quality video play back. but battery life sucks...
as HTC use more of TI OMAP on non 3g or SAMSUNG chip for 3g device.
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Also add the new Qualcomm MSM7200 chipset. It seems hardware manufacturers are switching to it and ditch at least the not very multimedia-friendly Samsung. (I bet something similar will alos happen to XScale, unless they manage to radically reduce their power consumption.)
Tabbe said:
oh one more, XDA 1 is using INTEL 150mhz if i recall haha
so if u like intel so much & u want that speed, find wallaby haha
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f-ing idiots should just keep their mouths shut. It's 208MHz, you moron. And the guy is asking about processor division of resources, not saying he wants Intel. GOT THAT? or do you need further translation?
raymondu999: I'm gonna ask you to control yourself next time. Such attitude will not be tolerated here. Thank you.
"while O2 Asia use INTEL chip for all the devices "
o2 is a phone company they dont make phones the oem phones from other companys
afaik the omap850 is not a real dual-core cpu, because both cores are not the same. one is used for normal apps and the OS and a simpler one takes care of the GSM part.
So... OMAP850 is a Simple Processor for GSM + 200 Mhz Processor for apps
Then my doubt is how Intel manage this, if a device has a spec of processor 416mhz , this 416mhz are for GSM and Apps.
I read in some posts that Intel processors has troubles to manage GSM-APPS-WIFI etc.
intel dont magede gsm and wifi
it's handled by 3th party chips i believe
it would simply see them as IO devices
Hey,
Im gonna buy a new PDA.
And im in doubt between the ELFin and Polaris.
The Polaris has a GPS onboard, and 256 mem... Other specs looks the same. But is it better as a ELFin?
Are there any negative things about one of them?
Thanks,
HP197
P.s. A read that the Polaris has a 400Mhz proc onboard. But is it a real 400Mhz proc? Or a shared Proc like the Artemis? That one had a 400Mhz proc, but WM had only 200Mhz for usage, the other 200Mhz was used for GPS signals etc etc...
elfin? http://www.cvcoffee.com/prod_images_blowup/Elfin-Blow-Up1.jpg
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do you mean elf?
if so then they are way different elf is one of the weakest pda's htc have
and polaris is pretty ok
here you can compare
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Polaris
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Elf
Rudegar said:
elfin? http://www.cvcoffee.com/prod_images_blowup/Elfin-Blow-Up1.jpg
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do you mean elf?
if so then they are way different elf is one of the weakest pda's htc have
and polaris is pretty ok
here you can compare
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Polaris
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Elf
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No, i mean the ELFin...
Its the updated version of a ELF, with 400mhz proc, and 128mb mem.
P.s. If i looks to the wiki, i think the official name is Vogue. But some of this forum members call it ELFin
Vogue: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=803&view=1
Polaris: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=801&view=1
ahhh got it
welll Vogue dont have gps as you mention and nor does it have umts or hsdpa
== as slow internet
and it's cam dont have autofocus (not sure how much this mean as i've yet to se a photo taken with any phone which was worth printing to papir or setting as wallpapir on a pc)
also as you mention 400Mhz is not really an universaly good way of measuring speed of the device
only a benchmark will show a good picture of how much difference there is between a
Qualcomm 400Mhz of polaris and
OMAP 400MHz of vogue
Rudegar said:
ahhh got it
welll Vogue dont have gps as you mention and nor does it have umts or hsdpa
== as slow internet
and it's cam dont have autofocus (not sure how much this mean as i've yet to se a photo taken with any phone which was worth printing to papir or setting as wallpapir on a pc)
also as you mention 400Mhz is not really an universaly good way of measuring speed of the device
only a benchmark will show a good picture of how much difference there is between a
Qualcomm 400Mhz of polaris and
OMAP 400MHz of vogue
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Euhhmmm, touch dual (Vogue) does have HSPDA... Only the elf doesnt, but that is the older model. The Vogue is the follow up of the ELF.
But anyway..
Thanks for the info.
Still not sure wich one im gonna take
Edit The Vogue is also missing WIFI. So, it misses 128mb, GPS and WIFI.
Thats a big miss, my vote goes to the Polaris...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Vogue
of cause the wiki of this site is hardly failable but it say that it's
edge and gsm only
also before i checked that wiki i believed the vogue to be only cdma (the american cellphone network which is not gsm)
maybe the vogue forum could bring light to what network it really use
but if it lack wifi which is also strange since elf's wiki say it have that
Rudegar said:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Vogue
of cause the wiki of this site is hardly failable but it say that it's
edge and gsm only
also before i checked that wiki i believed the vogue to be only cdma (the american cellphone network which is not gsm)
maybe the vogue forum could bring light to what network it really use
but if it lack wifi which is also strange since elf's wiki say it have that
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About the hsdpa on the vogue: Vogue page on a other site, translated to english with google translate (orig: dutch)
About the touch dual with / without wifi: Same site, also translated with google
Look at the end of the page, where all the specs are.
This is one of the more respected online shops for PDA's in the Netherlands. So i suppose there information is right. And i dont think they disabled wifi for our country only. Because the usage of wifi is totaly legal here (some countries does not allow it).
Howwww...
Now i see... Im talking about the vogue...
But the vogue isnt the same as the HTC touch dual (Vogue = P3050, Touch Dual = P5500)
That would explain some mis understandings...
So im comparing between the P3650 (aka Polaris) and the P5500 (Touch Dual... Build name?¿?).
Wich in my eye, the P3650 is the better one.
EDIT:
P5500 Aka Touch Dual == HTC Niki
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=736
Its clear for me...
I Go for the Polaris...
Just because its the one with the most features.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=801&id2=736
don't know if this has been asked, but....
I know there is a overclocking util (BatteryStatus) for the older 200Mhz Touch.
But I got the CDMA HTC Touch (MP6900 ??) with the 400Mhz speed cpu, and the "BateryStatus" util does not work on it... actually it craped out the phone many times tonight... had to do many hard resets!! Crap !!
So.... is there a overclocking util for this version (runing windows mobile pro 6) any one know ???
thanks
Dweeb
Can't be done. A search would have told you that.
Dweeboid said:
don't know if this has been asked, but....
I know there is a overclocking util (BatteryStatus) for the older 200Mhz Touch.
But I got the CDMA HTC Touch (MP6900 ??) with the 400Mhz speed cpu, and the "BateryStatus" util does not work on it... actually it craped out the phone many times tonight... had to do many hard resets!! Crap !!
So.... is there a overclocking util for this version (runing windows mobile pro 6) any one know ???
thanks
Dweeb
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Why would you want to overclock it anyway? The battery usage would be increased and you would probably shorten the lifespan of the device....these things aint cheap you know
400 MHz in a pocket device like these is easily fast enough!
dont know if i agree with that... windows mobile isn't the best operating system because it's sloppy. so we need faster pocketpc's in all honesty.
even 400mhz isn't fast enough.
i'm also curious if its possible to squeeze just a little extra out of it (safely).
i love how my Touch works and how it's setup with windows mobile 6 and now this Manila 2D interface... but it's just always been slow. Even straight out of the box. I recently lost my phone and got a new one... Opened up the brand new one and it's just as slow as my other one.
i made registry tweaks too to increase ram usage and all those good things yo u can do there. no good in my opinion too slow for 2008... 2009 now.
great hardware. poor software. want to compensate for that by making the good hardware even better...
tom_m said:
dont know if i agree with that... windows mobile isn't the best operating system because it's sloppy. so we need faster pocketpc's in all honesty.
even 400mhz isn't fast enough.
i'm also curious if its possible to squeeze just a little extra out of it (safely).
i love how my Touch works and how it's setup with windows mobile 6 and now this Manila 2D interface... but it's just always been slow. Even straight out of the box. I recently lost my phone and got a new one... Opened up the brand new one and it's just as slow as my other one.
i made registry tweaks too to increase ram usage and all those good things yo u can do there. no good in my opinion too slow for 2008... 2009 now.
great hardware. poor software. want to compensate for that by making the good hardware even better...
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Hi dude, read your post and i wonder if you search the XDA for new 6.5roms esp "optimised" ? I heard XDA has most of the roms for "all" wm phone also uni roms. use the search engine found at the top under " search ". I have downloaded a "Touch" but forgot where they are located cos im a downloader, not a note writer
deranche said:
Hi dude, read your post and i wonder if you search the XDA for new 6.5roms esp "optimised" ? I heard XDA has most of the roms for "all" wm phone also uni roms. use the search engine found at the top under " search ". I have downloaded a "Touch" but forgot where they are located cos im a downloader, not a note writer
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So, what version of the Touch do you have?
There a seller on ebay selling a HTC Touch Diamond 2 that is overclocked to 1GHz.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-HTC-Touc...ItemQQptZAU_Mobile_Phones?hash=item3efaa9c966
How do you overclock a HTC Touch Diamond 2
fake?
i don't thik you can
if it where possible it would shure drain your battery
it is olso no stock wm 6.5 because on the pic you see japanese combined wit english on the menu's
so i think its fake
greetz nem
edit : i am sure it can't be done
is normal speed is 528 MHz so you have 2 dubbel it
emails4me said:
There a seller on ebay selling a HTC Touch Diamond 2 that is overclocked to 1GHz.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-HTC-Touc...ItemQQptZAU_Mobile_Phones?hash=item3efaa9c966
How do you overclock a HTC Touch Diamond 2
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....its a fake; look at the stylus; its placed on the left side at the device!
lol
olso no zoom bar and the usb entrance is on the top insted of on the bottum
Wowww. What a phone. A topaz that faster than mine. Hahaha.
Must be a chlnese brand non htc device. Notice that there is no HTC text up on the phone.
I'm impressed.
For a moment I thought it was an actual TD2, but the volume control in place of the zoombar gave it away, along with the stylus. Pretty cool, though
Ok,Ok, its fake picture from ebay...But can somebody upload some cab for over- and under- clocking for our device...or some link for download ?
Thanks forwarding
Regards
miro666 said:
Ok,Ok, its fake picture from ebay...But can somebody upload some cab for over- and under- clocking for our device...or some link for download ?
Thanks forwarding
Regards
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Hmm. Overclocking is not possible i think.
opensea said:
Hmm. Overclocking is not possible i think.
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Not possible ? To bad...Maybe with them app we can improved battery life for our device.
EDIT: Will somebody try this app :
nueClockControl
Regards
overclocking a cell phone? what's next, upgrading ram, installing nvidia video graphics cards and playing halo3? the nueclockcontrol program has 7065 downloads, but it doesn't seem like any of them are from xda, otherwise we would have heard something by now! "if it's too good to be true, then it probably is!"
nueclockcontroll can't overclock , it can only "underclock" :-(
but its a nice thread , maybe can anywhere "edit" the nueclockcontroll so we can overclock ?
i have se some HTC Kaiser what was OC to 728mhz < , so its possible , but nobody have a programm :-(
I would not even dare to *overclock* my phone.
What advantages would this have as the rest of the hardware is not designed for this ?
I think this will reduce the life span of your phone as well?
miro666 said:
Not possible ? To bad...Maybe with them app we can improved battery life for our device.
EDIT: Will somebody try this app :
nueClockControl
Regards
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a direct text of your link Although overclocking is not possible yet,
try to reed first
CommanderDuplex said:
nueclockcontroll can't overclock , it cans only "underclock" :-(
but its a nice thread , maybe can anywhere "edit" the nueclockcontroll so we can overclock ?
i have se some HTC Kaiser what was OC to 728mhz < , so its possible , but nobody have a programm :-(
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OK,OK....But underclocking is good for battery life...But bad for device speed....Resume: I hold on original processor speed 528 MHz
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I already fried one Artemis playing this silly overclock game..I got the what I call "fading to black screen syndrome". I was extremely lucky that my device was still under warranty and that HTC assistance couldn't detect it was my fault. So it is obvious that I absolutely NOT recommend to use such tools, also because the advantage you could take is nothing compared to the disadvantage of a even more poor battery life
sualc said:
I already fried one Artemis playing this silly overclock game..I got the what I call "fading to black screen syndrome". I was extremely lucky that my device was still under warranty and that HTC assistance couldn't detect it was my fault. So it is obvious that I absolutely NOT recommend to use such tools, also because the advantage you could take is nothing compared to the disadvantage of a even more poor battery life
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That is true....Maybe it, playing wit CPU clock speed, is reason because many coocked ROMs on ROM section our forum, have enormus battery drain usage...
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Same here... Overclocked my HTC Touch. And killed it after a while..
(fortunately my warranty did the job after that^^ )
The tool "BatteryStatus" overclocked and underclocked the phone dynamic so it was battery friendly and faster..
It works great if you don't go too far with the processor speed
[edit] The cooked ROMs here are not overclocked I guess.. It would be mentioned to what mhz the ROMs clock our devices.
Tool "Battery Status" ? Have you link or can upload cab ?
Do you mind on Battery Guard maybe ?
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I used BatteryStatus to overclock my HTC Touch. On the Topaz it does not over/underclock the cpu...
(At least I didn't find the option to change cpu speed)
overclocking
I would apreciate the possibility of dynamicly overclocking the TOPAZ.
I don´t find it that fast though, having disabled htc-sense, using spb MS 3.5 instead.
Maybe have to downgrad to MS 3 ..
I was so glad having BatteryStatus installed on my htc ELF, usually running with 200MHZ.
overclocked dynamicly between 112 - 299 (turbo-, basic 273) and my little elf was damn fast but economicly working with its battery.
Any app simular to BS for the Topaz would be worth donating at least € 10,--
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