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old style sms and mms

is there a way to switch back to the "old style" sms msging system? the palm threader is nice and all but no programs support it.

SurWicked said:
is there a way to switch back to the "old style" sms msging system? the palm threader is nice and all but no programs support it.
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Why would you possibly want to?
People have extracted the program from the Treo rom in attempts to get it to work on non-treo's, it's one of the nicest things Palm has put on the 750.

Merlyn_3D said:
Why would you possibly want to?
People have extracted the program from the Treo rom in attempts to get it to work on non-treo's, it's one of the nicest things Palm has put on the 750.
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Agreed. I couldn't live without threaded messaging...SPB Shell supports the threaded messaging app. Which programs are you talking about?

I don't like it. I would prefer it the "old" way also. Or at least integrated into the default messaging app. I don't like having to go to two different places for SMS and email. Threaded is all right, but two apps is downright ****ty.

wm6.1 separate mms and sms folder

i just wanted to know how i could make my mms and sms folder two separate folders. i dont really like how it is combined...its quite annoying
thanks in advance for the help

me too
yea me too im running windows mobile rom 6.1 ranju's build. nice build but want mms and sms to be separate when you get loads of convos it gets messy so want to split um.
hows it done

fireicer said:
yea me too im running windows mobile rom 6.1 ranju's build. nice build but want mms and sms to be separate when you get loads of convos it gets messy so want to split um.
hows it done
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You would need a different version of the SMS/MMS Arcsoft client.

eboy44 said:
i just wanted to know how i could make my mms and sms folder two separate folders. i dont really like how it is combined...its quite annoying
thanks in advance for the help
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As stated, you'd have to install a different version of the arcsoft software that does this. Microsoft (Arcsoft???) has decided that combined is better and all the newer versions have went this way (personally I like it combined myself, but it does catch me off guard when I get what I think is an SMS with no text then notice the tiny pic icon and realize its really an MMS). Just like the standard with WM6.1 is the threaded messaging (my opinion on that is still out. In some ways I like it, but other ways I hate it. So still trying to get used to it and not just turn it off (yet)).
Basically like back on WM5 where the left soft key in Arcsoft was to create a new message. Then WM6 changed that to be Delete and people screamed. But its still that way today and now most are used to it (or don't know any different).

Ive researched this topic quite a bit and have found that it cant be done unless the version of arcsoft mms is cooked into the rom. If it isnt, even after installing the older version over a new one, the combined messaging AND threading will still be in affect, it might also throw off your text and mms messaging entirely.
I may be wrong, but this is what Ive read in other threads and forums. If it can be done, Id love to know, because shortcuts to new mms wont work without this. and more importantly for, sms chat will stop intercepting my mms mesages

Michaelr219 said:
Ive researched this topic quite a bit and have found that it cant be done unless the version of arcsoft mms is cooked into the rom. If it isnt, even after installing the older version over a new one, the combined messaging AND threading will still be in affect, it might also throw off your text and mms messaging entirely.
I may be wrong, but this is what Ive read in other threads and forums. If it can be done, Id love to know, because shortcuts to new mms wont work without this. and more importantly for, sms chat will stop intercepting my mms mesages
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You are spot on! If you like it splitted up then you need a rom that does this for you, if I can make a small suggestion, give my rom a try (SMS & MMS are split up!) it's called DCSv1.7

the problem is PIM backup doesnt restore your MMS if you used a rom before with different sms and mms folders so now i dont have none of my MMS backed up on the tilt... sad

Separate!
drutort said:
the problem is PIM backup doesnt restore your MMS if you used a rom before with different sms and mms folders so now i dont have none of my MMS backed up on the tilt... sad
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the same case, with PIM Backup I lost my mms coz of inexistent folder, I want my mms back!!!

MMS problems
I downloaded a sms threaded text cab for my att tilt- my problem is that i can't send or receive MMS messages anymore. i've been looking for days to find a way around this because i love the threaded text, but i NEED my MMS capabilities. can you point me in the right direction or do i just need to abandon my threaded txt and revert back to the original to get my MMS back?

KID44 said:
I downloaded a sms threaded text cab for my att tilt- my problem is that i can't send or receive MMS messages anymore. i've been looking for days to find a way around this because i love the threaded text, but i NEED my MMS capabilities. can you point me in the right direction or do i just need to abandon my threaded txt and revert back to the original to get my MMS back?
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You need to run connection wizard, or your connection settings cab again after installing the mms cab.

WM 6.1 and another ROM

Hi there - is it possible to implement a WM 6.1 version over an existing ROM version ?
or in other words - I`m using Quentin`s qmobile 1.2 but wanna have the wm 6.1 on the kaiser ...
Thanks
Myrin

This has been asked before. It's a definite no. Features, only thing different is sms threading, which you can add palm threaded sms to your rom. Some other minor options, but nothing too big.

The SMS from 6.1 is by far much better than Palm Threaded SMS

Thomassster I `m not quite shure if understand what you are saying - Do I have to wait for Quentins version of WM 6.1 ?

Ignore the first response - I guess he didnt understand the question.
If you have hardspl'd your device, then you can flash any rom you like.
But if going to a 6.1 rom, you will need to also flash a 6.1 compatible radio rom as well.

ericc191 said:
The SMS from 6.1 is by far much better than Palm Threaded SMS
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MS Threaded SMS:
-You can't see the time of messages older then 1 day anymore.
-You can't see which delivery report is for which message (if you send 3 messages to 1 number and the second wouldn't be delivered, you couldn't check that.)
-You can't disable the threaded sms function.
Palm Threaded SMS:
-If you want to see older messages in a thread, the app opens the whole conversation and with a several thousends of messages it kind of gets stuck.
-The sms file which contains the messages gets HUGE. With 5000msg the file is 20MB. (the main reasion I wan't to dump this app)
The MS app is more stable and faster, but it just isn't finished yet. You can't call it much better then the Palm threaded sms, cause it misses core functions.

Dinamitci said:
MS Threaded SMS:
-You can't disable the threaded sms function.
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You can with this cab - whilst still keeping SMS notifications.
Thanks to clickdeath for the regedit.

Dinamitci said:
MS Threaded SMS:
-You can't see the time of messages older then 1 day anymore.
-You can't see which delivery report is for which message (if you send 3 messages to 1 number and the second wouldn't be delivered, you couldn't check that.)
-You can't disable the threaded sms function.
Palm Threaded SMS:
-If you want to see older messages in a thread, the app opens the whole conversation and with a several thousends of messages it kind of gets stuck.
-The sms file which contains the messages gets HUGE. With 5000msg the file is 20MB. (the main reasion I wan't to dump this app)
The MS app is more stable and faster, but it just isn't finished yet. You can't call it much better then the Palm threaded sms, cause it misses core functions.
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MS threaded:
-Slower then Palm dunno why you think MS is faster
-Ugly font.. cant resize unless you have email configured
+pictures are full screen
+audio only clips (voicemails)
-log style
+today plugin works pretty well
-no pictures of contacts for new txt
Palm threaded:
+Faster then MS by far.
-MMS wont work on newer htc devices.. basically anything after the tytn-orginal(att 8525)
+better face icons
+better logging
+picture of contact when getting new txt
-log size
-today plugin sometimes funky
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bottom like palm has better features but until someone can make threaded sms+mms work in it ill have to stick to the MS threaded

unwired4 - so I can`t just hardspld, flash a new radio rom and then take Quentins Rom ???
Is that possible ?
Or must the ROM be a "WM 6.1 ROM" ?
Thanks
myrin

cuboosh said:
MS threaded:
-Slower then Palm dunno why you think MS is faster
Palm threaded:
-MMS wont work on newer htc devices.. basically anything after the
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I would use Palm's but I just can't stand not having MMS not working. A couple of weeks ago I was able to get the MMS fixed but it only works with the older ArcSoft MMS. I can give you steps and the package that you need to get it work. If I can find it again.

peter7 said:
unwired4 - so I can`t just hardspld, add a new rom and then take Quentins Rom
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NO! You can not flash 2 roms... Your rom holds 1 rom
Wait for Quentins WM6.1 rom or flash someone elses WM6.1 rom.

cuboosh said:
MS threaded:
-Slower then Palm dunno why you think MS is faster
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When your log file is small, Palm is faster yes. But if you have a huge logfile with thousends of messages, MS is way faster for sure, it just doesn't get slower, while Palm's app is getting slower with each byte.

SMS/MMS Threading

Dear All,
I searched for this, but couldn't find any reference to this particular issue. I tried all the latest 6.1 ROMs and it looks like a WM thing.
All ROMs, have this new "FEATURE" which let's you view the SMS as a thread of messages instead of one at a time.
This is great, the only drawback is, that I can no longer move threads or indvidual SMSs to different folders; even the option to manage folders is dimmed (also the move option).
The only work-around that I have found, is to delete the message, go to the trash, and move it from there. However, there is still no way to create a new folder.
Any Ideas/Suggestions/Solutions for this issue ?

I too miss the split SMS/MMS. I wonder if it is possible for our favorite chef to put ArcSoft MMS 4.2.8.1 in his latest ROM and have it work properly?
This would make it possible to run Vito SMS-Chat and receive MMS properly. If Dutty's latest did run so damn good I would revert back for this reason alone.

I remember communicating with a very talented individual named Shogunmark. I'm SURE that this individual could separate the SMS and MMS. I don't think it was via XDA though. Seems I met him through another site.

Check out this thread. Simple registry hack to disable threaded SMS in WM 6.1.

I've done a quick search that didn't really turn up any results, so I wonder if this is even possible. Is there a cab file available that will replace the regular sms with the wm6.1 sms on a wm6 device?

InGeNeTiCs said:
I've done a quick search that didn't really turn up any results, so I wonder if this is even possible. Is there a cab file available that will replace the regular sms with the wm6.1 sms on a wm6 device?
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In order to run Threaded SMS on WM6, you need to install a 3rd party program such as PalmSMS.

transfer contacts and sms's from TYTN to Fuze?

Ok I'm having some problems with this. Ive tried to use PIM backup and it sort of works. It backups and restores (sort of) all of my sms's but none of my contacts.
The sort of part is that the sms window is really slow and its not threading together the messages. When I turn off threaded messaging all is well.
when I went from wm5 to wm6.1 on my tytn I used spb backup and it worked perfect all the messages threaded no issues, it took a few mins but when it was all done all was well.
Ive tried the spb backup again but SPB dosent allow you to use a backup from one device on another type of device.
On the contacts issue I did the same thing on my tytn when I went from wm5 to wm6.1 I used spb backup and like magic they were all there with pictures and other info.
So you gurus out there any ideas?
Many thanks in advance!!

Try Sprite backup....or activesync

blackangst said:
Try Sprite backup....or activesync
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Activesync will do that? It has a use?! I thought it was just some annoying program I had to use to install non cab file programs, thanks I never thought about it.
Will also look for sprite, thanks!

also u can copy over the pim.vol file from the tytn to the fuze thats fool proof illl provide u with a link to do it

ilikepu said:
also u can copy over the pim.vol file from the tytn to the fuze thats fool proof illl provide u with a link to do it
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Does this copy SMS messages too?

Is it possible to copy over non-threaded SMS to threaded with any of these programs? I've got an 8525 with WM6 going to a FUZE.

Nautme said:
Is it possible to copy over non-threaded SMS to threaded with any of these programs? I've got an 8525 with WM6 going to a FUZE.
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copy the pim.vol to the storage card or to the comp get the new phone RENAME the pim.vol on the NEW phone and put the OLD pim.vol file in soft reset and boom your done
and yes pim backup n sprite does t

ok guys all is well now thanks for the help!

ilikepu said:
copy the pim.vol to the storage card or to the comp get the new phone RENAME the pim.vol on the NEW phone and put the OLD pim.vol file in soft reset and boom your done
and yes pim backup n sprite does t
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Yeah... Didn't work for me. I copied pim.vol (4.5MB) from my 8525 to my MicroSD card, then put it in the Fuze, renamed the Fuze pim.vol to pim.vol.fuze and copied the 8525 in its place (using total commander). I shut down and restarted as well as pushing the soft reset. No SMS messages show up.
Did I do something wrong or miss something?
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I guess it's called patience. It looks like they just take forever to load or thread or whatever. I ended up using PIM Backup though as I only needed the messages. Also, there's no "Multimedia Messages" folder to copy to on the Fuze. I'll have to move those somewhere else.

there is no mms folder with threaded turned on if you turn it off there will be a folder. the mms messages are threaded too

Can I go back and forth (non-threaded to move them then threaded to join them)? If not, is there another way to get the MMS messages from one to the other?

hondaguyjoe said:
there is no mms folder with threaded turned on if you turn it off there will be a folder. the mms messages are threaded too
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Okay, I took the plunge and tried turning it off and on again (using SMS Tweaker 1.5). I didn't lose any messages, but the Multimedia Messages folder never shows up. I'd really like to keep my old MMS messages. Anyone got any suggestions?