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Hi all,
i was googling for tweakui and came a result from handango.com => http://www.handango.com/SoftwareCat...Id=2&N=96806+4294910762&showBreadCrumbs=false
Check this guy is selling the tools he got free here at xda-devs.
the people who made the soft should do something about it...
I've just written to Handango. Please write to them to and get this thief off their books.
I have noticed that your vendor T.N Vietaus Trade (Australia) is selling a number of illegal (ie pirated or stolen IP) products, including Microsoft ROMs for Windows Mobile phones.
Also, he is reselling free products written by members of the xda developers forum at a significant mark up, free software for example being sold for $49.99.
Please ask this vendor to remove this software, or remove it for him.
Kind regards,
vijay555 (moderator at xda-developers.com)
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What a ****en Lame ass *****. THat is just the lowest you can go to, selling stuff that is offered to us here for free. **** him, ive written to them also to get this ***** from selling stuff on there. Good eye and thanks for making everyone aware of this.
I've sent handago an email as well. Keep the emails going.
what is the email?
Found the HQ phone number, will try to call (cant call anymore sorry) but will need more info on this like what app and other stuff that you can give
305 NE Loop 820
Suite 600
Hurst, Texas 76053
Corporate Office: 817-280-0129
Fax: 817-280-9628
He has ebooks in http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/category.aspx?bcatid=1129&av=14-275257
And same app's come up in the Microsoft handango page that is linked to the Microsoft Windows Mobile Product page Site http://microsoft.handango.com/PlatformTopSoftware.jsp?siteId=75&platformId=2&title=T.N+Vietaus+Trade+(Australia)&authorId=1811375
Mod needed
Can a mod post this in other forums so that everyone that has made a app can check if their app is in the selling list
Email of the supposed developer tnvietaus AT gmail dot com
And if im doing something wrong in giving this out, this info is on the web
This is insane.
haha I just left HORRIBLE reviews warning people on all of the links you just provided Mike.. lol.
I also emailed HIM... and Handango.
no, I just let them know that this stuff was available for free ...
The thing that IRKS me is he doesnt explain that there is MORE to just downloading and running the update to these.. so alot of people are probably ruining their devices.
FYI, this is one instance where the DMCA can be used to your benefit (if you are one of the software authors).
Do NOT write to Handango, et al, complaining that someone is selling free software.
Do write to the resellers and state, factually, that this person is selling software that *you* wrote without your permission or authorization. Also state, very factually, that you want the software pulled and any monies charged for the software to either be refunded to the purchasers or forwarded to you.
What would also help out is if all the software authors were to allow one person (perhaps vijay would be a good choice as he is both a mod and a software author) to act on their behalf so there is a single point of contact for XDA.
Tell me the address of Handago (and Microsoft, If I have read and understand well) and I also send an email.
Just a thought: many here (maybe me too?) searchin' and using no purchased software, and therefore one of us (or one of those having this "habit", if you like more saying so) has found not violating any legal or moral law. World goes around...
Gubbài.
He is selling over 90 titles, and they are ALL available here for free just about.. he is selling the dang HTC X-button for 24 dollars! lol.
derma, I think everyone here is realistic about software availability and software use... read around for my personal views on warez etc.
The board however has a strict policy on banning for distributing warez.
But, it takes some particularly spiteful cojones to steal someone else's work and then put your name on it and sell it. And then selling at an absurd markup... come on. There's reasonable cheekiness, but that's just taking the micky.
V
Understanding doesn't mean accepting
vijay555 said:
derma, I think everyone here is realistic about software availability and software use... read around for my personal views on warez etc.
The board however has a strict policy on banning for distributing warez.
But, it takes some particularly spiteful cojones to steal someone else's work and then put your name on it and sell it. And then selling at an absurd markup... come on. There's reasonable cheekiness, but that's just taking the micky.
V
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Just to explain my position about this.
As I wrote on the title of this post, I figure out what it can be the reasoning of this person but meanwhile I absolutely don't accept what he did (or it's better saying "what he didn't do" 'cos what he's selling it's not stuff of his own).
My thought doesn't want to be a provocation, at least not a gratuitous provocation, but a simple-soft thinking about a hard problem: copy-right (and use-wrong).
Obviously this is a real theft, more odious than that "normally" made to the detriment of that author of the software who sell his creation having the conceptual rights to do that. In this case we can see instead a double somersault: he sell something not of his own that originally is (was) free.
Hope being plain.
PS: "cojones"?! Maravilloso! ¡Hasta la revolución, siempre!
Gubbài.
It isn't just the markup, its the flagrant lack of informing people of the consequences of attempting to use those warez without having ample experience with their device. He just says 'For expert. Use at your own risk' he doesn't say .. 'If you don't know what you are doing your phone is dead.. d .. e .. a .. d' .. I feel bad for the people who have purchased these and tried to run them not knowing about unlocking and what not.. it's a shame
OMG, another one.
http://shop.my-symbian.com/Platform...0&productType=2&platformId=2&productId=208881
Where can i find the tweakUI here?
hanmin said:
OMG, another one.
http://shop.my-symbian.com/Platform...0&productType=2&platformId=2&productId=208881
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Review added saying it's free here.
Recently, someone in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320018 said that we are all (with a few exceptions) running a pirated OS by installing WM6 on our Wizards. I am not sure that I agree or disagree with that. Please keep your comments focused on the technical aspects of why you think we are or are not pirates.
We are all pirates (As I say besides Ingenetics and any others who officially had the rom loaded by M$).
If you purchase Windows 2000 for example, that does not give you the right to run a pirated version of XP just because you have already purchased one OS version.
Our devices came with WM5 and WM5 is all we are allowed to run in a legal sense.
Im a pirate and I love it
Why not use the original thread that addressed this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319706&highlight=wm6+illegal
I did see that thread, but wanted to set it up as a poll so that people could vote without leaving a comment if they didn't want to.
So, I ask,
If Cingular chooses not to release WM6 that M$ gave them for free allowing them to release it for free to customers, where do I get it? Oh, I have to buy a new $400 device... Hmm...
Yes, that's one of the points that bothers me too. If it's freely given away, then how can it be stealing?
Well, it is a gray area. I do not think that I am wrong from the point of view of my consience (since I have no other possibility - there is no "legal" WM 6 for Wizard).
But - according to the copyrights laws, the above mentioned does not matter... It is a piracy.
There is a similar problem with "abandonware" (when old programs/games are not sold/not available, it is still not legal to use them unless the copyright owner explicitly allows it)...
I do not have any problems with this and I think nobody loses here (I am now a big fan of Windows Mobile and I cannot imagine to buy a mobile phone with another system - I am lost for Symbian/Linux...), but it does not change anything from the legal point of view... It is a piracy.
@mdhensley5: I think it was you who was having problems with version number in WHITERAT's build... Well, unlike that (rather artificall) problem, this is something which is certainly not correct... (sorry, I could not help myself).
Mirek
Hey Mirek, thanks for the comments about the piracy question, but like I said at the beginning, let's keep all comments directed toward the technical aspects of whether or not this is piracy.
Well, It's one of those thigns that could be construed to be piracy if you want to stick to the exact letter of the law. But as was stated earlier there is no WM6 official rom for sale for the Wizard. If there were im sure most of us would buy it. I suppose it's if you want to live by the letter of the law or the spirit of the law. If HTC wants to offer a core rom for purchase that is modifyable to the point as all the current roms then i'll buy it. Until then im running what ive got.
Shane
If mobile carriers have it and can give it away free but they don't only to coerce customers to buy a new device they don't need, is that extortion?
Hmm....
If the company that developed it says it’s free, but they just don’t give a means to get it, then you just have to get it yourself.
hahahaha
like you DIDN'T know you were using hacked M$ code..if you didn't know that you shouldn't be using it anyways in my opinion.
Of course it's pirated, i'm sure even the new members remember M$ was all over this site for a few weeks making sure we didn't release their beans without paying (M$ stingy as apple with copyrights)
Whiterat is right, we're all pirates, I will never, never ever ever purchase another piece of software as I live!
wtf wait up
mdhensley5 said:
Recently, someone said that we are all (with a few exceptions) running a pirated OS by installing WM6 on our Wizards. I am not sure that I agree or disagree with that. Please keep your comments focused on the technical aspects of why you think we are or are not pirates.
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and hey you're the jesus freak that was bashing 'ole boy for a build number...something so pety hahaha so how can you possibly use a pirated OS of ANYTHING?! You just made your baby jesus cry.
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and hey you're the jesus freak that was bashing 'ole boy for a build number...something so pety hahaha so how can you possibly use a pirated OS of ANYTHING?! You just made your baby jesus cry.
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BA_Flash_GOD,
That's out of line, lets not personally attack each other.
is this a technical question? please abide by the forum rules.
this forum is turning lame.
boldfacelies said:
is this a technical question? please abide by the forum rules.
this forum is turning lame.
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Now that you say that, I agree!
Lets discuss HTC Wizard techical issues.
calouro said:
BA_Flash_GOD,
That's out of line, lets not personally attack each other, but voice our opinion on the issue at hand.
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It was no personal attack. It's a factual statement. Got upset for something that small, how can one possibly use stolen code? It is Fact, it's actually HIGHLY illegal. Ask your service providers see what they say.
Anyone is breaking the law here using this, that is out of line haha.. I'm guessing M$ just said oh well they have franken-roms and let it be.
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If mobile carriers have it and can give it away free but they don't only to coerce customers to buy a new device they don't need, is that extortion?
Hmm....
If the company that developed it says it’s free, but they just don’t give a means to get it, then you just have to get it yourself.
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This is nothing new mobile phone providers are not the only ones that do this hahah.. the whole world runs this way.
It's amazing to me that some people can't discuss something without resorting to name calling and personal attacks.
Poor form Admin
mdhensley5 said:
It's amazing to me that some people can't discuss something without resorting to name calling and personal attacks.
Cingular 8125 G4 Locked
OS - NBD 7.9 Touch
"This is a tech forum, keep your religious feelings elsewhere." - added by unamed Admin
Admin, do you feel like a big man now after changing my signature?
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Hmm...
Hey Admin, ye must be working on changing Samy.3660's signature!
"Prophet (pbuh) said: Be in this world as if you are a stranger or traveller.
If you are interested in religion come here www.gawaher.com/"
I only say this matey, because what's good for one is good for another.
Mdhensley5 did not mention religion, only his opinion and thoughts; he only had a quote in his signature block, just like everyone else. If you censor mdhensley5, you have to censor everyone.
So, keeping to your current form, I expect Samy.3660 signature block to be changed.
Thanks for pointing that out, Captain Jack.
BA_Flash_GOD said:
and hey you're the jesus freak that was bashing 'ole boy for a build number...something so pety hahaha so how can you possibly use a pirated OS of ANYTHING?! You just made your baby jesus cry.
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I'm not religous but comments like yours would quickly make me side with him over just about anything against you. Grow up.
i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
they are just happy to find a place where winmo doesn't get bashed constantly
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i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
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LOL, your first post and you have a pop at this site?
You dont work for MS do you
GREAT first post.
anyway.
They tolerate it because we don't personally host anything and yes, we do make windows mobile better.
Also, this site actively opposes software theft, (warez and others like it,) which is the bulk of any copyright problems. It spreads goodwill towards Microsoft, believe it or not; if users have problems with standard Microsoft software, they don't have to just sit there and be unhappy, it can be tweaked. By doing so, people are happier with their Microsoft-driven equipment, and more likely to keep using it than changing to something else. There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone.
It is also free tech-support for Microsoft, which saves them loads of money.
LOL duude...are u an attorney or do u own an iphone?
m$ knows better to keep this site alive. its their faults we are tweakin up and makin it better. beside...you never know...this draws a lot and i mean a lot of ppl towards m$. so i m pretty much sure the revenue keeps em' happy
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There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone
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One here!!!
microsoft never sold wm to any end user
and this site never taken part in porting wm to a device that dident came with it
more because of the close to impossibility of doing so
so as ms still get their licensense from the manufactors
and better rep with users who can get more out of their devices then just
depending on what the manfucators give before they forget about older devices
and move on to their new stuff
more wm phone owners keep getting new wm devices rather then moving to iphones or symbian devices so
it helps ms out alot in their quest of getting a larger % of the market
Plus, along with the free tech ehlp, the improving of current phones, we all know new htc phones will be tweaked cooked and stuff, so buy another phone. so XDA not only saves tehm money, but actually gains them money
It's because of this site that I'm looking at the Windows Mobile platform for my next phone rather than traditional Nokia, Sony Ericsson (other than x1), or even the iPhone..... actually come to think of it, without the exisitence of this site EVER, I would get an iPhone 3G right away.
you will see that in the coming future microsoft will be incorporating programs and devs that were created through this site to their platform. There was once a time when microsoft tried to shut it down when they realised that the site actually brings more people to microsoft and keeps them there.
LOL! I was going to post something else, but I'm pretty sure everybody has already said it, or thinks it! To much good comes from this site! Think about it, how many users of this site are now WM users for good and will always be sold on the next best WM platform because of this site.
yesod7 said:
Also, this site actively opposes software theft, (warez and others like it,) which is the bulk of any copyright problems. It spreads goodwill towards Microsoft, believe it or not; if users have problems with standard Microsoft software, they don't have to just sit there and be unhappy, it can be tweaked. By doing so, people are happier with their Microsoft-driven equipment, and more likely to keep using it than changing to something else. There are countless people on this site who would tell you that without this site, they might not be using a Windows-driven phone.
It is also free tech-support for Microsoft, which saves them loads of money.
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Yup, that's it.
TheChampJT said:
LOL! I was going to post something else, but I'm pretty sure everybody has already said it, or thinks it! To much good comes from this site! Think about it, how many users of this site are now WM users for good and will always be sold on the next best WM platform because of this site.
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Amen to that!
Why haven't they done anything?
because nobody there is smoking crack
Would you close down a site that gets people talking about your products ? that is full of people writing programs that enhances the usability of your products? that's a great place to see some ideas you might steal for later versions of your OS.
This is free R&D!
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i mean, everything on this site is pretty much microsoft, which should create some copyright issues.
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Alas, I saw this differently with others. I think the question is very out of topic since this is an All-HTC-Devices forum, not an M$ WM forum. It's only 'coincidence' that after these years, HTC always used WM as their OS.
If HTC decided in the future that they will build their own OS, or maybe use Android, then it may trigger M$ to reconsider its stance against this forum. Especially, when we -as always- try to improve our experience with the devices, do it by porting some parts (drivers/softwares) from WM to other OS, or vice versa. Then the issue may be valid.
Btw, I don't know but do you all think it's safe -legally and/or morally- to port other vendor/ODM's part (drivers/softwares/etc) into our HTC devices? I ask this because I saw many attempts already...
I don't know the exact number of people on this site, but I do know that there are a whole lot of people on this site. My point for that last sectence is "would you destroy a site that has FREE workers helping your company out to better there products and gain more money"
Yes, we might receive applications before they are release, but honestly where do you really think we receive those from uuuummmm?
So again, if I was a big company I would never touch this site because I will pass my software to this site let eveyone play with it and then I would know where all the bugs are at. So then I will fix it and then sale it.
There might be alot of poeple on this site but I think MS has a lot more customers that don't even know that this site is even alive.
There you go my 2 cents.
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I don't know the exact number of people on this site, but I do know that there are a whole lot of people on this site. My point for that last sectence is "would you destroy a site that has FREE workers helping your company out to better there products and gain more money"
Yes, we might receive applications before they are release, but honestly where do you really think we receive those from uuuummmm?
So again, if I was a big company I would never touch this site because I will pass my software to this site let eveyone play with it and then I would know where all the bugs are at. So then I will fix it and then sale it.
There might be alot of poeple on this site but I think MS has a lot more customers that don't even know that this site is even alive.
There you go my 2 cents.
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and if the truth be known, they (M$) are happy that the masses dont know., in truth, the people on this site contain more knowledge and expertise than all of m$ combined as far as HTC handsets are concerned and how to tweak and tune the software to ACTUALLY work. it could be perceived as (truth) the Big companies are just mass clearing houses of useless data they can sell for a profit. how many of us came here for the first time only looking for useable software programs? how many of us came here for the first time trying to find a solution to an OEM problem?
M$ has found a truly unique forum in the world of r&d., although probably more out of frustration than than anything else, the majority of talented people here could teach this stuff to most of the employees at m$ about these devices and how they work and why.
I would be very surprised if they didnt have a staff of several people working there monitoring and testing to roms and software packages developed or tweaked through this site. they would have to be unbelieveably arrogant to think this is a bad thing for business, and we all know who one of the richest men and companies in the world is dont we. he didnt just fall off the truck so to speak, he understands..............economics!
With all of that in mind can anyone understand why pocket development is not possible on Visual studio express editions (free).
Isn't that a shoot on the foot? I think so.
I think that a platform with a lot of developers is much more appeling, and then seel more. Only a opinion from someone that will never buy a iphone.
I just need to vent. I'm a fairly active developer for the android platform. I've created a number of kernel patches and applications that I have released at no charge to the community for about 10 or so devices.
All this I do in my "spare time", which I have very little of because I am a full time professional student who takes on 32 credit hour semesters.
Recently, since my 1994 geo prizm is literally falling apart and I was hoping to scrounge together a little bit of money to get a new car so I don't end up stranded on my way to class, I decided to release a paid application. Fastcharge / Force AC toggle which allows you to toggle on and off the force AC feature. A feature which I have personally implemented and released source patches for on a number of devices.
Not only in every thread where I released the patch on a device did I write up how to toggle the feature through the command line, but I also stated that I also implemented a toggle into my completely free application that you can also download from the market, IncrediControl.
In good faith and knowing how annoying licensing is, I elected to not include licensing in my application. This is a huge regret.
Within a couple days of releasing the application to the market I googled it to see if anyone was talking about it. One of the first links was to a piracy site where a user was requesting the widget, to which another user obliged and posted the apk to a filesharing site. Doing something I never though I would have to do, I filed a DMCA takedown request, which was answered quickly and the app was taken down. Monitoring the thread, every single time a link gets taken down, another user requests the app and the original user reuploads it, most recently to 11 different sites.
So now, after filing dozens of takedown requests. This user has decided to unzip my apk, change out the artwork, and now is going around releasing it as his own work.
Really, all this to avoid paying $1.50 (only ~$1 of it actually going to me) to an individual whose yearly income is low enough that he doesn't have to file taxes?
This disgusts me.
This is even worse than the 50% "order cancellation rate" that the widget has. I'm not stupid, I know exactly what users are doing, but yet initially I was willing to ignore it. But this has gone too far.
What is even the point of pissing off a developer so much that he is considering saying screw the platform all together? It doesn't even make sense. We, the developers improve your devices, generally at little or no cost, and this is how we're repaid. With ~50% of current users of the application having pirated it. To avoid paying just over $1.
Now before someone even counters with the "my area doesn't support paid applications" argument I've actually gladly GIVEN the widget away to a number of users who casually mentioned in the release threads that they couldn't download it for this reason. Not to mention, everyone knows there are apps that unlock the market in these areas to be able to purchase apps.
How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
Of course, this must suck for a developer like you. Unfortunately, it seems to happen more and more often, and all I can really say is:
I would gladly pay a few bucks for an application like IC or BootManager. That BootManager seemed really interesting, but we can't buy apps from the Play Store without CC (and as a 16-year old, I don't have one). I asked the developer if he accepted Paypal, but he didn't.
Don't get me wrong, and this is not an attack to you personally: developers, if you made something really nice, and people will like it, 70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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70% of the people will gladly pay for it, just make sure you allow them to.
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I honestly thought this was the case. It's really not. The problem is much worse than that. If 70% of users in the root community paid for apps it would be astonishing. Its made pretty clear by the number of users who download the app, back it up and then cancel the order.
If a 16 year old kid had made me that offer, the e-mail reply I sent would have the apk attached.
Well, that is a real flaw of Android: tweakability is really impressing, but these things make it really difficult to earn some money as a developer.
We have been thinking about anti-piracy measures as well, with stuff such as authentication with a server, and locking down the code and verifying integrity of APKs and stuff to make sure it's really hard to mess with the code, but it's just sad that there's a need for these measures..
The trouble is everything has piracy right from movies to game consoles through to mobiles and music.
I mean the iPhones appstore would be a hell of a lot bigger if there was no jailbreaking and installous.
Every platform has been cracked so you'll get it regardless of what you develop for.
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I think you know you just needed to vent but can I change your picture.
There are some people in this world who just don't buy the idea of an idea as property. That's not compatible with this business model. That's the first problem.
The next problem is that
there's a million and one apps out there and which one are we going to choose? Where does it start, where does it end? We all have our limits. What's yours?
For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
The very community that allowed us to create the app fails to pay for it's products is like life itself.
I'd say make something for the iphone instead because there's more profit there but that would never have been possible, see what I'm saying? That's the 3rd problem.
So you've got 3 problems there all converging into one big push towards piracy. But remember, can your app assure security that the pirated version cannot for example? This is how one has to think.
In short,
you can't do something and hope to make a bit from it on the side. You got to go out from the start and get the money aspect central from the start. I mean, that's business and of course that's exactly what the android community works hard to free us from.
Still, summarising those 3 points for suggestion:
- offer something free things can't (i.e. security, brand etc) For example, I never run pirated stuff for fear of insecurity on my data whereas I'll try out software that way on an old PC
- can always put a service in the cloud aka the javascript trap
- iphone is there if you want...
- needs to "the one app" a certain person would pay for, not something everyone likes
Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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For me, the app has to be something very unique and possible generate me cash. For example something I use every day at work. If it's something that the phone should do anyway I tend to skip it and save the $1 for the next phone that does it out of the box. Your app is a great thing, but there's many utility apps out there. It just doesn't fall into the kind of thing I'd cave my strict budgeting for. There are people here with a 1000 apps installed and you expect them to pay $1000 in this sense.
Another way would be having utility in the cloud and then the app is free. Another one of course, advertising.
The difference with both of these is we don't need to risk a credit card with the market. That's the main reason I personally haven't bought many apps and I'd imagine it's a problem for minors too.
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The feature is 100% unique and so is the widget. Not to mention, if you didn't want to pay the $1, I provided a free way to toggle the feature in the utility app. The point is, that there is nothing forcing people to pay for the widget to use the feature. But instead of using the free option provided, they not only pirate the paid app, but edit the artwork and release it for free as their own. It defies logic.
Also, ad based apps don't work with the rooted community. I learned that early on. Myfree utility app is ad supported. With over 40,000 installs you would think it would make even a dollar a day. Nope, makes nearly nothing. That's when I realized that the same niche I was marketing to are the same people who block ads. Even if someone didn't want to block ads, they can't install a single ROM that doesn't include an ad blocking hosts file out of the box.
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[...] How much more generous can a developer be than to provide source code patches for a feature, provide information on how to toggle the feature, provide a COMPLETELY FREE way to toggle the feature, and then charge a measly $1.50 for a secondary, slightly more convenient way to toggle.
Yet he's repaid like this .
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Be sure you're looking at all sides. Yes, you're in a losing war with guys intent on pirating your app. You can't stop them, and well, you goofed on the licensing, so someone will no doubt release the clone.
First of all, don't do the Big Media thing and assume that everybody that pirates your app would have paid for it if it hadn't been available. A lot of folks collect, or just try something once. You'll only work yourself into a funk thinking about all that money you "would" have if only they hadn't been able to pirate it. They wouldn't have. At least not all of them.
More importantly, be aware that placing something out there with value does reach folks that otherwise would have no idea of you or your plight. More than once, I've purchased an app that I don't really need, but found clever and cheap enough I can buy it without thinking about the investment. I've spent more on Android software at $1-15 over the last year than I did over the last 25+ at $30-100 a pop. I've only refunded an app once, by accident.
Finally, be up front about your situation. A guy trying to make do does influence my impulse buying. So does his reputation. If you're doing a lot, be sure that's clear on your app page, and let us know clearly you're the guy that also brought us whatever.
I am curious, though: How much did you actually bring in?
Chad- thanks for telling your story, I agree that you have every right to be disappointed. Especially the buying and refunding, that to me send almost worse because you can't stop dedicated pirating, but I would have hoped the rest would have bought the app.
It's easy to forget the human side of development, so thanks for sharing your side.
Jesus christ Chad. This is f$%&*#@ ridiculous. Probably the best and most generous kernel dev I have ever come into contact with, and people are cheating you out of 1.50. Please don't abandon Android. I need kernels when I get my rezound! but in all seriousness, warez needs to stop.
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Yep. Sucks. After getting serious about android , which wasn't too far in, joining with a nexus one and seeing all the free HARD work we get, I definitely try buying stuff I use. If I can't pay sometimes I will see if dev does something else I can donate to. Its an issue I've thought about and part of it really boils down to how sorry people are in general. They want free and cheap. $1 is laughable even when it can be easily had for free. You really should market yourself a bit even though you don't want to. And people should really put a complimentary $5 or so budget a month or more and try to support devs. Maybe if you have something he gave free but has an app you won't use for a buck, buy the dollar app and uninstall after the 15 minute period. Or throw him a 5 through PayPal or something. Its simple really. If these devs don't have to resort to ramen and water they keep dev'ing especially for the community supporting him or her. And if they're eating vegetables and have plenty of red bull money it gives them wings. Otoh, the devs that make us pay to reinstall an app after we bought it on another or lost our phone suck. Balls. Won't buys theirs anymore.
teach a man to fish, you feed him for life. teach a man to fastboot, and you create competency. and less threads on xda.
Maybe you should implement a system like some developers do where you download the app for free with a time limited trail, then they would go to another website to pay for the app to unlock it, and the unlock codes would be unique for every user which would minimize piracy.
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I hope google sells PlayStore cards (like itunes cards) that allows user to buy apps, music, movies, books without a credit card. I really want to buy some amazing apps but i dont have a credit card so i just use free apps. I think that if u cant buy an app that cant be a reason to piracy or sidedownload that app.
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In the Netherlands we have prepaid Visa card.
Works well.
Maybe you google something similar in your own country.
(3V prepaid Visa cards)
That does suck but if someone wants to pirate an app even licencing doesn't stop them as there is an app that apparently patches licence checks.
It is so easy for even a non root and new user to find cracked apps, I have seen links on here and even on peoples facebook sites, it's got to the point where people can just browse a webpage and click a link to get the cracked version of an app.
Unfortunately if someone wants to crack it they can. Unless you could implement your own security check somehow, something obfuscated in the code, licencing is the only alternative as it would stop people using backed up cancelled versions at least.
Unfortunately it seems a lot of people just don't want to pay for apps.
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also have to look at both sides. some people just refuse to pay for **** whatever it is, or get it as cheaply as they can. being android apps, the free route is how they're going to go. but the other side, you hsould be grateful for all the people that do pay. they're the ones helping keeping google, open source, android and everything in between chugging along. open source is the future and you can tell every corporation i said that. and thanks for you your work even though i've never used it.
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Also just to make that point again, if one does not believe in property then inconveniently there is no moral crime here. I suggest learn to live with this and go with the flow
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There is plenty to disagree with in your post as it all seems like an attempt at rationalizing ways to get around the system. This last statement is a ridiculous attempt at summarizing why stealing is OK. Your morals don't define the crime, the law does. Stealing property, physical or intellectual, is not legal and not right regardless of your morals or lack of.
Chad,
I am sorry to hear of your products' abuse. I used your kernels all the time on my Incredible devices and bought IncrediControl to support development. I have purchased many applications just to support development and believe that is the way to get high quality applications.
Piracy is just so damn easy on Android. I know ppl that are doing it who I wouldn't even expect to be doing such a thing. This guy I know love android only because he can get everything free by just googling the apk.
awww thats sad i feel really bad for you!
I've used pre paid visa debit cards to buy apps. You can find them in Any money shop like Cheque cashing places for example. You can even just stick a dicky diver (£5) on them. Perfect for situations like this
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Keep seeing posts about what apps do you use (I've posted a few myself). Thought I'd do a poll so that other new comers can quickly assess what the most popular options are instead of purchasing many different apps.
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found a copy of adobe ideas ideas <warez url> seems to work fine
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Sounds like your promoting piracy here... Since I do some Android development and have always respected the work of developers, I gotta report you and hope you get banned.
Maybe you should learn to write apps, pour your time and energy into it in hopes of making some money only to have people pirate it.
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hertsjoatmon said:
found a copy of adobe ideas ideas <snip>.com
seems to work fine
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xda forum rules:
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, then pay for it. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to request, promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained. This is a site of developers, i.e. the sort of people who create such software. When you cheat a software developer, you cheat us as a community.
I completely understand and support the policy here.
However, I believe this was an innocent mistake. I certainly hope the OP doesn't get banned for it... All that's needed is a friendly reminder of the rules and clear warning not to do it again.
No need to crucify the guy for being unaware.
can't be innocent. that's from known warez site.
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can't be innocent. that's from known warez site.
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[could not stop myself:] How would _you_ know?
Apologies. I wasn't thinking. It's an app I really wanted to try as the reviews sounded good. As it's no longer available for Purchase, I didn't think it would be a problem as I see threads on here with links for apps ported from other devices such as super note
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xda forum rules:
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, then pay for it. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to request, promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained. This is a site of developers, i.e. the sort of people who create such software. When you cheat a software developer, you cheat us as a community.
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Apologies. If it was available to purchase I would purchase it. That was the only place I could find it. If some one can link a source where I can pay for it, I will do gladly.
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Apologies. If it was available to purchase I would purchase it. That was the only place I could find it. If some one can link a source where I can pay for it, I will do gladly.
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Not to bash you anymore, so apart from any ethical considerations...
Reality is - until you advertise it - nobody here knows and cares how you obtained your apps.
The practical dimension is more important and really simple - if we want xda to exist, let's not provide grounds for piracy promotion accusations.
The rest is between you and your conscience (and copyright enforcement agencies I might add).
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Not to bash you anymore, so apart from any ethical considerations...
Reality is - until you advertise it - nobody here knows and cares how you obtained your apps.
The practical dimension is more important and really simple - if we want xda to exist, let's not provide grounds for piracy promotion accusations.
The rest is between you and your conscience (and copyright enforcement agencies I might add).
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So should I request others be band for posting links to apps that aren't available to note 8.0 users as it isn't available via legitimate sources? The first guy to suggest I get band got vcl via an alternate source as well as supernote. Yes the site I suggested is unethical but how is that different to people posting a link to Dropbox?
I appreciate that what I did was wrong, but I take offence to be accused of not supporting developers. I've deleted the post and I'm willing to pay for the app if someone can suggest a way for me to do so.
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Sounds like your promoting piracy here... Since I do some Android development and have always respected the work of developers, I gotta report you and hope you get banned.
Maybe you should learn to write apps, pour your time and energy into it in hopes of making some money only to have people pirate it.
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Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. While I appreciate I made a mistake with my suggestion, by downloading supernote on here, aren't you undermining Asus who have the rights to it? I'm just trying to understand where the moral lines are? Getting an app that is no longer distributed anywhere is wrong, but getting an app that is exclusive to a particular vendor?
Sorry for all my posts in this thread. I enjoy contributing to these forums. I've learnt a lot on here and like to help others where I can. I just don't want to get banned for suggesting sourcing an app that is no longer available
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So should I request others be band for posting links to apps that aren't available to note 8.0 users as it isn't available via legitimate sources? The first guy to suggest I get band got vcl via an alternate source as well as supernote. Yes the site I suggested is unethical but how is that different to people posting a link to Dropbox?
I appreciate that what I did was wrong, but I take offence to be accused of not supporting developers.
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Let's not get into defensive mode, small missteps happen to everybody now and then. Nevertheless "everybody does that..." does not provide valid reason for anything.
It's not about yours, mine on anybody else's excuse on getting stuff in shady ways, it's about not advertising the fact on xda. Nothing more than that.
I'm sorry you had to learn that in rather unpleasant way.
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I've deleted the post and I'm willing to pay for the app if someone can suggest a way for me to do so.
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Thanks for removing that post. Really.
hertsjoatmon said:
So should I request others be band for posting links to apps that aren't available to note 8.0 users as it isn't available via legitimate sources? The first guy to suggest I get band got vcl via an alternate source as well as supernote. Yes the site I suggested is unethical but how is that different to people posting a link to Dropbox?
I appreciate that what I did was wrong, but I take offence to be accused of not supporting developers. I've deleted the post and I'm willing to pay for the app if someone can suggest a way for me to do so.
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Sorry for this post up front because I know it causes more drama but....
Even though I agree with the warez link not being posted here on XDA you make a strong point. The question is where does the line get drawn? Take the hotpot mods for example. They are allowing one to get something for free that usually is only obtainable through an additional monthly fee.
My opinion is these things should be decided by Moderators and not members because both sides have an argument when it comes to this. Best practice is to report the post and let them make the decision on what is best for XDA. When members confront other members a lot of times it has a tendency to get a bit ugly.
It's a shame this thread got side tracked so soon, I was hoping to promote discussion on the pros and cons of particular favoured apps . Wishlists of features and promotion of the lesser known apps for people wishing to experiment
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It's a shame this thread got side tracked so soon, I was hoping to promote discussion on the pros and cons of particular favoured apps . Wishlists of features and promotion of the lesser known apps for people wishing to experiment
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That would be a great thread. Why not start a new one? Perhaps this one can get renamed.
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Sometime during the week, I'm going to start an open google document to do a table of the apps listed on here and the features that each one has.
max resolution. max layers. export jpeg. export png. vector. brush types. layer options. duplicate, merge, colour, overlay, multiply, mask. blend took. dodge / burn tool. flip. grid overlay etc etc.
I will post a link once I have it up and hope that you can help in filling it in. These apps are all getting updates and i'm losing track of what has what functionality. Ideally, id like to minimise the amount i need to go in and out of various apps and this table should help me decide which ones best complement each other.
with out a blend / smudge tool. sketchbook pro is off of my short list. I can import my psd file from layerpaint into it, which is great but with out the smudge tool it makes colouring far to difficult.
both artflow and infinite painter have this option but I can figure out a way to open a psd file from a different application in them which is really frustrating.
looks like clover paint can both import and export in psd, it has unlimited canvas size and layers and also includes a blend tool... It's just made it to top of my list of apps to try.
I emailed the artflow dev and was told there is no plans in the near future to support psd import