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hey guys, i was thoroughly disappointed with opera mobiles performance.. it really sucked (for me at least). Page would take a long time to open, and the windows would move all over the place while the page was loading, etc. Anyways, i finally decided to download opera mini and its a world of a difference, its amazing! however to do it correctly, follow this guys advise:
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/running-opera-mini-41-on-windows-mobile-2/
dont just go to operamini.com and download the version they tell you, because then you have to agree to that message everytime you go to a page. if you do it the way this guy says, you only have to give permission the first time you open opera. he also shows you a way to have it as a program, eliminating the need to open the jbed java app to launch from there.
another thing i did, is because our device is vga, the font was small. i set it to extra large, and its very good. even the scrolling is much better on the mini version, and ITS MUCH FASTER!! i cant emphasize the last one enough. anyways, just wanted to let u guys know, good luck
ps: also, something that is huge for me, typing something into a webpage is also much better now. on opera mobile, i would have to try to fit the screen size so i can see what i'm typing; with opera mini, it opens a new window for you to t ype in, it's like your typing in word or something. makes a huge difference IMO
omar
I couldn't agree more.
Unless something is wrong with just my phone, I can't see how anyone would like Opera Mobile.
Just open any forum page here. Probably takes 20-30 seconds to load on Opera Mobile on a fast Wifi connection...and that's after it takes 5-10 seconds to just load up.
Do it on Opera Mini and it takes maybe 2 on a 1x connection, even.
Opera Mini doesn't have tabs, but you are saving so much time elsewhere, that's livable.
It also runs through a proxy, so I guess you could get stale pages or https stuff won't work great.
But, for 95% of the browsing I do, Mini works perfectly and is unbelievably fast and it's clear on the vga screen.
I also chose Extra Large fonts.
If you decide to use Opera Mini, here's a way to make it the "default" for opening links.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=384271
Have you guys tried the newer version of Skyfire? If so, do you like Mini better?
ya i use mini much more than mobile
btw just download this zip, extract cab and install it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113596&d=1221663410
it will ask if u want to make mini default browser...also installs java if u dont have it.
i change my image quality to high and font to biggest settings
I'm using UCWEB6 and I'm quite satisfied. Fast enough, tabbed browsing, easy to use..
yeah, im done using opera mobile, mini works so good!
i also use piscel and sometimes skyfire if im next to an ac jack... ill use ie just as i do on desktop, BUSINESS ONLY!
I used Opera Mobile for about a minute....
Help: I am having a problem with Mini not fully loading pages and getting white screens. I have Jbed 2.1 (read it was better than the newest version) and the newest Mini. Any advise?
I love the speed of Mini (thanks for posting the download link), but even on extra large the text is very very small. Is there a way to make it show up bigger?
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I'm using UCWEB6 and I'm quite satisfied. Fast enough, tabbed browsing, easy to use..
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Are you using the generic version? Seems like UCWEB6 was made for Nokia devices not HTC
Another opera mini fan here, the fastest browser I have used, that includes skyfire. Only issue is lack of tabs, but otherwise its great
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Are you using the generic version? Seems like UCWEB6 was made for Nokia devices not HTC
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No, I'm using this one. It says ppc2003 but it's working fine on all my devices, supports both VGA and QVGA
im using a mix of ucweb and operamini.. loving it. the only thing wrong with this phone is the lack of softkeys.. makes browsing with mini a little harder..
I've been using the "vga" version of skyfire since it came out, and I love it for its full browsing experience, speed, and ability to watch video in the browser.
Thank you for this thread!
I never used opera mini before and I was amazed by it's speed. It's not going to be my default browser (that's still PIE because I almost only view sites which are optimized for mobile devices) but it's absolutely perfect for viewing this forum for example!
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No, I'm using this one. It says ppc2003 but it's working fine on all my devices, supports both VGA and QVGA
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This crashed for me. Whole device froze up.
Opera Mobile.. it's just CRAP compared to Opera Mini.
CONS Opera Mobile:
- load time (HTC/Opera cheat by preloading Opera at StartUp)
- lots of squares while dragging
- many times while you drag the stupid software cannot make difference between dragging and tapping
- if you drag the page and the page is still loading, you are dropped to other position that you are.. this is so annoying.. you have to drag again or wait until all the page elements are loaded by the browser
So, Opera Mini is very good on the majority of sites. (there are problem with the pages with many images, it cannot handle all of them).
I'm using a VGA version of jbed and I don't have problem with font size ANYMORE.
Big thanks to trueg. Get it from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2973176&postcount=23
if i'm not mistaken, the reason why opera mini is so fast is because the pages are actually cached or pre-processed by Opera servers and then sent to you. with Opera mobile, you connect to the website directly.
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This crashed for me. Whole device froze up.
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That's very strange. It works great on my Blueangel, Wizard, Universal, Trinity and Raphael with all the custom roms I have installed on them and with the shipped rom on the Raphael the first day I got it.
Try installing on the SD card or the device memory, whichever you haven't tried.
Still have to say yes
Anyone else having issues with still having to click yes every time you try and go to a site? If I exit and open, the first time I try to open I get this annoying request. Followed the directions exactly and had no problems?
Also can't seem to browse with this on wifi, anyone else having this issue?
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Yes, I have the same issue. But since I just have to click ok once in every session it's ok for me.
ok opera 9.5 is really pissing me off and i absolutely hate the fact that every time i load a new link i have to double click to zoom back in and see waht im looking for. I also hate the fact that in order to view what tabs i have open i have to click on that little box at the bottm and play a gusesing game as to what the tabs opened are.
opera 8.65 also had an option to click in the settings to recognize your device as a handheld or as a desktop computer which solved the ever so rampant problem people are complaining about with 9.5 of the browser not recognizing full html sites and defaulting to mobile versions. you shouldnt have to edit the god damn registry and screw with at many settings JUST in order to visit the full version of a webpage! opera prides themselves at giving you the true full internet experience but little do they tell you that its up to you to screw with your phone and figure out how!
anyways, i was just wondering if anyone like me had gotten fed up with this latest installment of opera and reverted back to the previous version that ACTUALLY had all the good bells and whistles that worked properly?
shade
While I agree with your points, its really the best option at the moment outside of Skyfire. To be honest Skyfire to Touchscreen phones is not what it was for Smartphones, its just not that refined/accurate/reliable/fast yet. Hopefully when full VGA comes out to Skyfire we can really dump Opera for good (kidding).
Opera also needs to understand that people want flexibility with the scroll wheel on the bottom of the phone. Why zoom when I could scroll down the page and double tap zoom if necessary. Why not also adjust the sensitivity of the screen to not always zooom out everytime I'm
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ok opera 9.5 is really pissing me off and i absolutely hate the fact that every time i load a new link i have to double click to zoom back in and see waht im looking for. I also hate the fact that in order to view what tabs i have open i have to click on that little box at the bottm and play a gusesing game as to what the tabs opened are.
opera 8.65 also had an option to click in the settings to recognize your device as a handheld or as a desktop computer which solved the ever so rampant problem people are complaining about with 9.5 of the browser not recognizing full html sites and defaulting to mobile versions. you shouldnt have to edit the god damn registry and screw with at many settings JUST in order to visit the full version of a webpage! opera prides themselves at giving you the true full internet experience but little do they tell you that its up to you to screw with your phone and figure out how!
anyways, i was just wondering if anyone like me had gotten fed up with this latest installment of opera and reverted back to the previous version that ACTUALLY had all the good bells and whistles that worked properly?
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i was going to dump this phone because of how crappy opera mobile was. luckily i tried opera mini and its amazing compared to opera mobile. try it, you'll love it
I Am Running Opera 8.65 On Fuze
I installed 8.65 on my Fuze storage card using the normal CAB from their website. I had a licensed version on my Tilt and transferred the license. I do miss the scroll-wheel-to-zoom feature but not much else as I have been using 8.65 for a while now and am quite comfortable with it. Turns out the original Opera is still in main memory (\Windows\OperaL.exe) so I can run either. Plus I have Skyfire installed as well. Frankly, none of them work well for every site and I move between them and even PIE depending on what I am doing.
Peter
try typing "opera:config" without the quotes obviously into the address bar, with NO http:// in front... many... many settings where you can change around what you want. Opera 9.5 is by far the BEST web browser out there where now as even the iPhone Safari can not perform the same actions.
what about the mobile view in opera 9.5? i thought it did a good job..felt like a better version of 8.65.
"mobile view" on the newest opera (9.5) jsut makes it so that everything ont he page fits in a single column, this has NOTHING to do with mobile loaded sites versus the full html sites.
ive messed around with the opera:config settings and none of them result in making my yahoo homepage come up with the real one that will allow me to do waht i need to do with yahoo.
i think i will take the suggestion of installinf the old version on my storage card so that i have the best of both worlds. god damnit i really wish skyfire would get their act together and give us waht we want instead of just making something barely usable so they can say they have "vga support".... bastards.
shade
skyfox99. Thank you for the good tip to configure Opera. However do you know where there is list of explainations and recommendations for the various settings? It would be great to hear what setting others use and why/how it improves Opera.
Thanks.
Joe
I went back too
I hate the default browser too and reverted to 8.65. If you search here, there is link showing how to make any browser default in the Browser Tab of TF3D.
double tap should centre the zoom-in on the point of tap, not a few inches away. For example, if i am looking at an xda thread on my phone and want to go to the next page, I am looking at the "Page 1 of 8 < 2 3 4 5 > Last". I would double tap on this, my phone will ALWAYS zoom in 1.5 screens to the left, so I have to do 2 scrolls to the right
My other serious issue with this browser is the SIP always comes up on certain websites, even though I am not touching any text boxes, in fact usually happens while page is still loading. I have disables auto SIP popup in advanced config, its just a glitch in opera 9.5
Hey dudes,
im running wm6.5 on my Omnia i900. And im a little bit angry of the behaviour of Opera and IE. Opera is still better than ie, but its slow too, and only can handle three tabs. Are there alternatives?
Greets,
Snooops
Wait Opera mobile 9.7, should be ready soon
Opera mobile can handle more than 3 tabs.
Go to opera:config
Search tabs
Change setting to whatever you like (9 is the max my phone can do and still run smoothly)
snoooops said:
Hey dudes,
im running wm6.5 on my Omnia i900. And im a little bit angry of the behaviour of Opera and IE. Opera is still better than ie, but its slow too, and only can handle three tabs. Are there alternatives?
Greets,
Snooops
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Welcome to the forum
My vote goes for Opera Mobile definetly!
Check here to find out about other versions of Opera Mobile
Mine works smooth and can open more tabs
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486502
if you want fast,less memory usage,support all flash format.you better try this. --> www.skyfire.com .i agree Opera is the best but it cannot open all flash format and same as the IE 6.they only support youtube flash and .swf .Skyfire is mostlike PC browser.
Some Flash Webpage that i tested can run on Skyfire but cannot on Opera and IE.Test and you can see the deferent.
www.friendster.com/ <-- you need an account to view (you can see the flash running with sound) example www.friendster.com/zurra1989
www.pornhub.com <-- a porn site that need higher flash to view.same as youtube.but cannot view using opera n IE.
try Opera mini...light & fast!
I use Iris full time now.
This is my question
IS THE LATEST SKYFIRE FASTER,BETTER,SEXIER(lol) THAN THE LATEST OPERA MOBILE!!!!??????
bstylz911 said:
This is my question
IS THE LATEST SKYFIRE FASTER,BETTER,SEXIER(lol) THAN THE LATEST OPERA MOBILE!!!!??????
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Not for me
I´m with Opera!!
orb3000 said:
Not for me
I´m with Opera!!
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WHY??
skyfires startup time BEATS operas hands down
PLUS skyfire allows u to watch flash video and is flash enabled
unlike the newest opera which doesnt even support flash
Skyfire is QVGA, and looks quite bad on VGA. However, I haven't tried Opera Mini on VGA - can anyone comment?
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WHY??
skyfires startup time BEATS operas hands down
PLUS skyfire allows u to watch flash video and is flash enabled
unlike the newest opera which doesnt even support flash
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Agreed. Also SkyFire's browsing & scrolling is absolutely far superior to Opera. The only thing SkyFire is missing is options - it only as about 6, while Opera has about 600. But it's only 1.0, those things will eventually make their way into the browser.
Skyfire for me is faster than opera mobile, and i use it for flash videos.
The only laggy thing i think is the scrolling, that in Opera is better.
However if you don't need to see flash content...skyfire is useless, i use UCWEB of NetFront
You should see Skyfire on HD ^^' Opera Mobile is better but no flash...
D'rath
D'rath said:
You should see Skyfire on HD ^^' Opera Mobile is better but no flash...
D'rath
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I want to try it out too. He he he... But from the supports page on their website it says it supports WVGA as well.
Are they telling us fibs. Can you post any screen shots of what it looks like on your HD?
Love to see flash videos (not just You Tube) on my WinMo.
well i did a test on both skyfire and opera on the loading times
skyfire took 14 sec. to load 1src.com
and opera only 10 sec. to load 1src.com
anyone else wanna test?
Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, Skyfire, Mach5, PIE
I have posted something similar somewhere else, however I think this is valid...
We have two different types of browser available
Client side (which means your browser on you PPC/HTC does all the work) or Server side (which means a fast computer somewhere does all the work and sends your PPC pictures of what is happening)
Client Side positives
You decide settings
You install all your favourite add-ons (flash etc)
You keep all you log-on settings
The rendering and compatability is what you install/set (also could be a negative if you aren't competent here)
Server Side positives
Your PPC doesn't need to install anything extra (flash etc), as it's all done on server side
All rendering is done by Server side, so it's simply plug n' play!!
And the negatives (which usually make the choice on such small devices as PPC)
Client Side
Usually takes up memory to install all plug-ins required to visit different sited on the web (eg, flash) (i.e, the more you have installed your PPC, the more compatible it will be with more web sites/pages)
Slows the computer, and takes up memory to render the page (everything needs to be downloaded and processed)
Server Side
You're at the hands of the server (is it set up for QVGA/VGA, how does it input text etc)
The fastest it works is by sending you pictures (whereas you may have a dedicated flash player, such as TCPMP etc)
Your log-on settings are kept by the server (someone else)
The rendering is only as good as the server
The server may be in a different locale to you
The connection takes the bottle-neck (i.e, the faster your connection, the better videos will be - you really need a contract/cost limit on your data downloads!)
So as for Skyfire is "Server Side". Skyfire renders as QVGA (even though it does work on VGA, it doesn't look any good).
Opera is Client Side. This means it really can't really be compared to Skyfire in the same way as, say, Mach5 could... but could be compared to PIE.
However, Opera Mini is Server Side - and I think there's some great advances are now there. Anyone comment on Opera Mini compared to Skyfire?
However, Opera Mini is Server Side - and I think there's some great advances are now there. Anyone comment on Opera Mini compared to Skyfire?
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i have to say that opera mini is truly fast but i ALSO LOVE BOLT and UCWEB
BOLT- best feature is the split screen. good for large pages
UCWEB- has features like multiple tabs
Opera for me,...Skyfire looks terrible on my hd and is slow as heck,....+ I watch porn on my laptop as it has a bigger screen ;-)
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+ I watch porn on my laptop as it has a bigger screen ;-)
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lol i was gonna say the extacly same thing but i was like naw lol
i tried watchin it on skyfire and the load time was really quick
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lol i was gonna say the extacly same thing but i was like naw lol
i tried watchin it on skyfire and the load time was really quick
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LOL, Ive tried skyfire a few times (different builds) but have never been impressed with it. It worked well on my n96 (about the only thing that did)
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I want to try it out too. He he he... But from the supports page on their website it says it supports WVGA as well.
Are they telling us fibs. Can you post any screen shots of what it looks like on your HD?
Love to see flash videos (not just You Tube) on my WinMo.
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Screens in *.png aren't mine (I cannot make shoots of my Display) but you could see page rendering output.
On HD Skyfire is horrible... I use IE with flash: it's slow, few optimized but make similar PC...
D'rath
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Screens in *.png aren't mine (I cannot make shoots of my Display) but you could see page rendering output.
On HD Skyfire is horrible... I use IE with flash: it's slow, few optimized but make similar PC...
D'rath
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Thanks mate. Wow! That is fxxking ugly man! Not going to touch that with barge pole. Saves from downloading it.
I guess I have to wait till IE6 comes out. Maybe that will be better contender?
HD
On my Touch HD i prefer Opera. I only use Skyfire for flash based sites. Even for YouTube i prefer the specific application rather than Skyfire. May be my comments are not so scientific but i feel Opera more smooth and nice looking overall.
Exellent explanation -Jonny-!!!
i could see sticking with skyfire if it wasn't so stupid
skyfire.com hosts all your bookmarks and history
wtf?!?!
having to load a browser page just to see my bookmarks
it takes forever...huge fail
flash is nice...but absolutely ZERO speedtest pages load
i must have tried about 20 on google search for speed tests - all failed with 404
other than that
opera mini - no text selection...and no flash...7mbps+
opera beta - no flash - navigating the zoom frustrates me often (turbo is fast)
i'm on a htc 6800 (mogul/titan)
having more than one browser installed is such a waste of resources
i wish someone could make something that simply works...
you would think a mobile browser would be something basic & simple
i just cant see why its so complicated...but i'm not a programmer
its obvious what everyone wants but each browser only has a few qualities
i find myself using ie more...an option you can always go back to with minimal letdowns
at least its problems i can deal with and dont make me want to hurl my brick phone into a deep river along with my body tied to it
i will keep trying new browsers i havent yet though i'm not expecting much:
ucweb
bolt
mach5
pie (what is pie i've heard it mentioned but cant find any info)
any info on these browsers appreciated if anything is not obvious like basic installation or source for program.
just wanted to bump this page
Hi, what is the best app (performance and compatibility) for browsing the internet "on the TG01"?
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Hi, what is the best app (performance and compatibility) for browsing the internet "on the TG01"?
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Well I've tested a few and it's gotta be Opera 10. It does everything flash wise (well as far as flash goes on phones), but the thing which annoys me is the way you can't get word suggestions on it so it kinda sucks in that way so it's not the perfect app for me, but the only one that does everything else.
Skyfire is good, but can't seem to get reliable flash support in my opinion.
Btw, does your question include the running of java applets?
Are you sure about word suggestions? I had the same problem with my first Opera 10 browser, because I had to use their keyboard ... but I installed the newest version, and now I was able to use my own keyboards ... running WM6.1
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Are you sure about word suggestions? I had the same problem with my first Opera 10 browser, because I had to use their keyboard ... but I installed the newest version, and now I was able to use my own keyboards ... running WM6.1
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I'm positive. If I use IE, everything is fine, I can get word prediction suggestions and also can press enter instead of having to click search eg.
in google, but in opera 10, nothing, no word prediction suggestions and no hotkey support like enter. Any (word) suggestions? Would really appreciate it as I love Opera and I use it as my primary browser. Because of this problem, I'm thinking of changing to another browser such as skyfire, but would prefer opera though.
xda_dev2063 said:
Hi, what is the best app (performance and compatibility) for browsing the internet "on the TG01"?
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NETRFRONT browser
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I'm positive. If I use IE, everything is fine, I can get word prediction suggestions and also can press enter instead of having to click search eg.
in google, but in opera 10, nothing, no word prediction suggestions and no hotkey support like enter. Any (word) suggestions? Would really appreciate it as I love Opera and I use it as my primary browser. Because of this problem, I'm thinking of changing to another browser such as skyfire, but would prefer opera though.
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Hmm I will try it and report - word suggestion is working on my htc x7500 with opera 10 - I have my tg01 just for 1 day, will try it later
access netfront browser
i would say ninja duck opera 10
Ninja Duck Opera 10 mobile w/ Flash Lite
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i would say ninja duck opera 10
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I personally use Ninja Duck Opera 10 mobile w/ Flash Lite baked in.
Cheers,
fitzy-boy
I use HTC Build Opera Mobile 9.7
Very battery friendly, uses less RAM. And imho faster than Opera 10.
It integrates with other HTC apps, i.e - youtube,
for EDGE, use Opera Mini
I have the Net Front Browser 2009 from a Japanese T-01A if you want it.
No .cab, just copy the files to your Windows folder.
No flash but it's extremely fast, good quality and very easy on the battery.
All menus display in English if on an English rom.
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I have the Net Front Browser 2009 from a Japanese T-01A if you want it.
No .cab, just copy the files to your Windows folder.
No flash but it's extremely fast, good quality and very easy on the battery.
All menus display in English if on an English rom.
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Opera Mobile 10 would be my recommendation
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Opera Mobile 10 would be my recommendation
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its a shame opera didnt release opera mobile 11 for WM. i got it on my tab, and its much better than opera 10 - so many new improvements. A real shame its not for WM
http://rapidshare.com/files/458372874/NFB.rar
It is the NFB35EN-WMPRO-R320TS
See here for instructions:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016616&page=2