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Just released, Netfront 3.5. It rocks!!

There's a free trial of their completely redesigned 3.5 concept version web browser:
http://www.access-company.com/products/netfrontmobile/browser/35_wm_tp.html
I've been playing around with it tonight and I'm very impressed. It basically has all the speed advantages of Opera Mini in a proxy-less browser. The page rendering is very fast in full desktop view, with a cool full page view for quickly navigating to the desired section. The scrolling is momentum based, just like the iphone. Even with huge web pages, the scrolling remains smooth and it allows you to browse the page easily while it is still loading.
Go download it and check it out. I think you guys will be impressed.

nswenson said:
There's a free trial of their completely redesigned 3.5 concept version web browser:
http://www.access-company.com/products/netfrontmobile/browser/35_wm_tp.html
I've been playing around with it tonight and I'm very impressed. It basically has all the speed advantages of Opera Mini in a proxy-less browser. The page rendering is very fast in full desktop view, with a cool full page view for quickly navigating to the desired section. The scrolling is momentum based, just like the iphone. Even with huge web pages, the scrolling remains smooth and it allows you to browse the page easily while it is still loading.
Go download it and check it out. I think you guys will be impressed.
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have tried this today, impressions so far:-
using WiFi - WOW
using GPRS - soooooo slow
have to say it, this is brill but for day to day gonna have to stick with opera mini.
Chris

I didn't consider network speed requirements. My sprint connection is very fast on the HTC Vogue. the good thing about opera mini is the proxy helps with slow connections.

Got this last night and used it for a few hours and i must admit it is growing on me.
At first I thought opera mini was far better (and still is on grps/edge) but this is nice.
The only thing i dont like is the zoom. for me it would be nicer if the full page were full screen like mini, but that is only personal preference. it is quite good that you can see full size what you are looking at behind the zoom.
Not sure yet whether it is opera mini or Netfront for me yet (Netfront doent yet support plugins, but can be a default browser and does support links and downloads) but having it available until the end of march will certainly give us something to play with until Opera 9.5 arrives and really gives us all a challenge to decide.

it works well and has the advantage of default browser capability... but aside from links and downloads i like opera mini better, because it's more responsive and a whole lot faster / more accurate

I just started it:
At the default homepage the CPU usage is next to 0%.
But when I minimize netfront, it stays at 100%!!

Hello,i tried NetFront today and I think it is amazing, but i only tested on wifi and i don't succeed to connect me on gprs, yet I have entered the proxy address 195.115.25.168 from of operator: SFR (from france).
Can you help me please?

tested and feels better than opera mobile 8.65! zoom is also cool although not so cool like in opera mini 4..

It rocks on my touch....
But how to quick zoom the pages??

darkf0rce said:
Hello,i tried NetFront today and I think it is amazing, but i only tested on wifi and i don't succeed to connect me on gprs, yet I have entered the proxy address 195.115.25.168 from of operator: SFR (from france).
Can you help me please?
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I can't get it to work on wifi, can somebody explain how to..
nice browser on gprs/3g though. but i would like wifi also
tnx in advance,
Marcel van blankers

flaviopac said:
It rocks on my touch....
But how to quick zoom the pages??
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Double tap on the screen or press the centre of the Dpad twice very quickly.

JwY said:
Double tap on the screen or press the centre of the Dpad twice very quickly.
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Thank you!!

This is the best browser which I have never seen.....
Very fast, stable on my Touch and it has lots of functions...
I can scroll all the pages with my finger, both horizontal and vertical ways...
And remember...
This is only a BETA!!!

o like the autocruise thingie. very very nice browser

This really might be the best browser out.
My settings for the fastest/best page viewing:
Browsing Mode: Simple
Display Mode: Normal
Zoom: 75%
Virtual Canvas: 1024x1024
It seems to be good on memory usage so far too.

Very cool
Very cool browser but its slow on AT&T's edge/gprs

can you watch youtube on it?
can you watch youtube using netfront?? or other videos from websites?

Phenomenal performance on wifi...seems to be a bit of a memory hog, but light years better than PIE...

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can you watch youtube using netfront?? or other videos from websites?
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No flash support as of yet, so no youtube. The web 2.0 sites work though. I tried out google maps and it actually worked, but very slow.

Anybody knows if they will release a smartphone version? I Guess this version isn't compatible with WM6 standard?

best browsing experience on touch pro

hey guys, i was thoroughly disappointed with opera mobiles performance.. it really sucked (for me at least). Page would take a long time to open, and the windows would move all over the place while the page was loading, etc. Anyways, i finally decided to download opera mini and its a world of a difference, its amazing! however to do it correctly, follow this guys advise:
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/running-opera-mini-41-on-windows-mobile-2/
dont just go to operamini.com and download the version they tell you, because then you have to agree to that message everytime you go to a page. if you do it the way this guy says, you only have to give permission the first time you open opera. he also shows you a way to have it as a program, eliminating the need to open the jbed java app to launch from there.
another thing i did, is because our device is vga, the font was small. i set it to extra large, and its very good. even the scrolling is much better on the mini version, and ITS MUCH FASTER!! i cant emphasize the last one enough. anyways, just wanted to let u guys know, good luck
ps: also, something that is huge for me, typing something into a webpage is also much better now. on opera mobile, i would have to try to fit the screen size so i can see what i'm typing; with opera mini, it opens a new window for you to t ype in, it's like your typing in word or something. makes a huge difference IMO
omar

I couldn't agree more.
Unless something is wrong with just my phone, I can't see how anyone would like Opera Mobile.
Just open any forum page here. Probably takes 20-30 seconds to load on Opera Mobile on a fast Wifi connection...and that's after it takes 5-10 seconds to just load up.
Do it on Opera Mini and it takes maybe 2 on a 1x connection, even.
Opera Mini doesn't have tabs, but you are saving so much time elsewhere, that's livable.
It also runs through a proxy, so I guess you could get stale pages or https stuff won't work great.
But, for 95% of the browsing I do, Mini works perfectly and is unbelievably fast and it's clear on the vga screen.
I also chose Extra Large fonts.
If you decide to use Opera Mini, here's a way to make it the "default" for opening links.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=384271

Have you guys tried the newer version of Skyfire? If so, do you like Mini better?

ya i use mini much more than mobile
btw just download this zip, extract cab and install it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113596&d=1221663410
it will ask if u want to make mini default browser...also installs java if u dont have it.
i change my image quality to high and font to biggest settings

I'm using UCWEB6 and I'm quite satisfied. Fast enough, tabbed browsing, easy to use..

yeah, im done using opera mobile, mini works so good!
i also use piscel and sometimes skyfire if im next to an ac jack... ill use ie just as i do on desktop, BUSINESS ONLY!

I used Opera Mobile for about a minute....
Help: I am having a problem with Mini not fully loading pages and getting white screens. I have Jbed 2.1 (read it was better than the newest version) and the newest Mini. Any advise?

I love the speed of Mini (thanks for posting the download link), but even on extra large the text is very very small. Is there a way to make it show up bigger?

XL3N7 said:
I'm using UCWEB6 and I'm quite satisfied. Fast enough, tabbed browsing, easy to use..
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Are you using the generic version? Seems like UCWEB6 was made for Nokia devices not HTC

Another opera mini fan here, the fastest browser I have used, that includes skyfire. Only issue is lack of tabs, but otherwise its great

hchavarria said:
Are you using the generic version? Seems like UCWEB6 was made for Nokia devices not HTC
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No, I'm using this one. It says ppc2003 but it's working fine on all my devices, supports both VGA and QVGA

im using a mix of ucweb and operamini.. loving it. the only thing wrong with this phone is the lack of softkeys.. makes browsing with mini a little harder..

I've been using the "vga" version of skyfire since it came out, and I love it for its full browsing experience, speed, and ability to watch video in the browser.

Thank you for this thread!
I never used opera mini before and I was amazed by it's speed. It's not going to be my default browser (that's still PIE because I almost only view sites which are optimized for mobile devices) but it's absolutely perfect for viewing this forum for example!

XL3N7 said:
No, I'm using this one. It says ppc2003 but it's working fine on all my devices, supports both VGA and QVGA
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This crashed for me. Whole device froze up.

Opera Mobile.. it's just CRAP compared to Opera Mini.
CONS Opera Mobile:
- load time (HTC/Opera cheat by preloading Opera at StartUp)
- lots of squares while dragging
- many times while you drag the stupid software cannot make difference between dragging and tapping
- if you drag the page and the page is still loading, you are dropped to other position that you are.. this is so annoying.. you have to drag again or wait until all the page elements are loaded by the browser
So, Opera Mini is very good on the majority of sites. (there are problem with the pages with many images, it cannot handle all of them).
I'm using a VGA version of jbed and I don't have problem with font size ANYMORE.
Big thanks to trueg. Get it from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2973176&postcount=23

if i'm not mistaken, the reason why opera mini is so fast is because the pages are actually cached or pre-processed by Opera servers and then sent to you. with Opera mobile, you connect to the website directly.

Lorrimer said:
This crashed for me. Whole device froze up.
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That's very strange. It works great on my Blueangel, Wizard, Universal, Trinity and Raphael with all the custom roms I have installed on them and with the shipped rom on the Raphael the first day I got it.
Try installing on the SD card or the device memory, whichever you haven't tried.

Still have to say yes
Anyone else having issues with still having to click yes every time you try and go to a site? If I exit and open, the first time I try to open I get this annoying request. Followed the directions exactly and had no problems?
Also can't seem to browse with this on wifi, anyone else having this issue?

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Anyone else having issues with still having to click yes every time you try and go to a site?
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Yes, I have the same issue. But since I just have to click ok once in every session it's ok for me.

opera mobile 10 apk

i know it was just announced but has anybody gotten the app yet? its supposed to be going out to carriers and oem's, not us consumers(yet). im hopoing someone leaks it quick! or does someone already have it? if so please share

really? were? site? >_> I DONT BELIVE YOU lol

http://www.androidcentral.com/opear-mobile-available-android-you-cant-have-it-yet

somebody has to leak it 1!!!1

apparently chances of that are low... but!!! now theyve announced that opera mini 5 is coming soon!!! anybody have that yet??

I was using Opera Mini 5 beta on WM6.1 and it was good, but it felt a bit too mobile. Every page I went on was loading in mobile mode, an sites with flash never loaded properly for me. I had a slide out keyboard, and I am sure it was a beta issue, but it was forcing me use the on screen keyboard. It was decent, but on a 2.8in screen felt very cramped. Opera 10 beta on the other hand loaded a bit slower to start up and web page loading was noticeably slower. However, web pages loaded more normal for me. That was on WM6.1 on a decently speedy device, on Android things could be a whole different story.

well i think either one, will be the best browser for android so far. mainly i like it because of that amazing speed in loading pages! even 4.2 is fast and i'd use that except the UI is horrible...

Opera mini5 (beta) was the best browser while I was using winmobile devices!
The interface was clever, the way it handled tabs was genius, it was sooo damn fast and the fact that you could go back in your browsing history without the browser reloading the page from the scratch was damn useful. I so hate that on the android browser (well, on actual browsers in general).
I'm really looking forward to the android-version but I'm afraid it won't support the hardware-keyboard of my G1 =(

So, is there any compelling reason to use Opera Mobile 10 over the Android browser? Will HTC flash work with Mobile 10? I can see a reason to use Mini 5 as that is a fast browser, and is fairly light. However, I can't see any reason to use Mobile 10 other than preference.

Well, if Opera 10 should support a double-tap to zoom feature I will for sure use it over the android one. I absolutely dont like those 2 zooming buttons floating all over the content which only appear once I start scrolling.

Evoce said:
Well, if Opera 10 should support a double-tap to zoom feature I will for sure use it over the android one. I absolutely dont like those 2 zooming buttons floating all over the content which only appear once I start scrolling.
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Sorry not to get ot, but we took care of the stock browser a long time ago, check it out: WWW.forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551119
To the op, this does look like it might be pretty nice, how ever always been happy with the modded stock, or a hero browser. Any idea on what phone is gonna have this as oem firest?

Opera 10 for android looks amazing. if you watch the video preview of it. Right now the best browser for android is the Dolphin Browser though. .. ooh and windows mobile people.. Skyfire is the only way to go.

Which video are you referring to?
Maybe I am not really getting it but what advantage does Opera Mobile have over the Android browser? I loved Opera on my WM device and I can understand using it based on preference. However, with the Android browser working the way it does, isn't it a bit redundant? Or again maybe I am not getting it?

tbaker077 said:
Which video are you referring to?
Maybe I am not really getting it but what advantage does Opera Mobile have over the Android browser? I loved Opera on my WM device and I can understand using it based on preference. However, with the Android browser working the way it does, isn't it a bit redundant? Or again maybe I am not getting it?
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The browser has better support for CSS/HTML/JavaScript...
You can see the differences between the browsers on:
http://www.quirksmode.org/m/css.html
and
http://www.quirksmode.org/m/table.html
Please note that the Nokia E66 browser matches the new Opera 10 beta the most. The other version is 9.5 which is already a year old. I'm really waiting for a Opera 10 release on android, since the android browser has some shortcomings when you want to create mobile websites (I shall spare you the details).

I guess I will have to try it out when it comes outs to see the differences. It's to bad they don't add the proxy features of Opera Mini on Mobile.

is it out yet?! :[

tbaker077 said:
Which video are you referring to?
Maybe I am not really getting it but what advantage does Opera Mobile have over the Android browser? I loved Opera on my WM device and I can understand using it based on preference. However, with the Android browser working the way it does, isn't it a bit redundant? Or again maybe I am not getting it?
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its the speed!!! look do this
go to the market and download the current opera mini 4.2
once installed get a timer or something and go to any website(including this one if you want, just make sure you go to exactly the same page)
time it
now go to the same page with the android browser.
you should see a HUGE speed difference. im not exactly sure how opera does this, but i heard once it has something to do with a compression method that opera uses that makes pages load very quickly!
all in all, i have no idea how opera does it, i just know that its FAST. and definitely faster than the android browser. i really dont care that its opera i just care abuot that speeeeeed!

Yes, I agree about Opera Mini, but I am referring to Opera Mobile.

tbaker077 said:
Yes, I agree about Opera Mini, but I am referring to Opera Mobile.
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well supposedly also opera mini is made for any mobile phone? i think. but opera mobile is made spcifically for more advanced smartphones. like you cant use opera mobile on some cheapy flip phone. but you probably could use opera mini on it. i THINK. im probably wrong or idk i dont really care i just want a better browser than the slow android one. either that or the faster 3g from tmobile.. but i think even then the browser would still be slow..

Having tried alot of different browsers through the span of my cell phones I believe Opera Mini is the fastest but it may have to do with the mobile view of the websites.
Dolphin is also very good.. I like that its theme able and its relatively fast.
I'm also anxious in the official release of Opera Mobile 10... it will have other features and will be most likely fix the problem of opera mini loading pages as mobile and not full version as in a desktop or laptop would display.

Is Opera really better than IE mobile 6?

Everyone seems to rave about Opera, but in my experience there are a number of sites that it doesn't work with properly, which IE 6 copes with fine. OK so IE doesn't have pinch to zoom but it's easier to double-tap anyway.
What do others think and is there an easy way to make IE my default browser?

wtf?! what opera are you using!?
the opera mobil 10 is brilliant and gets 100/100 in acid3. IE does not even start....
i dont know but ie is a piece of **** compared to the opera browser, on ANY website!!!!

brandi said:
i dont know
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Got that part right! Who cares about acid test, unless that is the only site you browse that is...
To download google maps you need to use IE for example. And many sites (such as BBC low graphics) render better in IE. I do use Opera beta 10.2 on a daily basis but it does have its annoyances (put it in mobile view and watch your text run off the screen, but put it in desktop view and the text magically wraps correctly!) as does IE. Neither one works best for all sites.
Oh, and for Christ's sake, Opera can't manage bookmarks! My IE bookmarks sync perfectly to my PC and to MyPhone, that is until Opera starts to eat them...every time I flash I now have to add my bookmarks all over again (or paste back the file from Opera) instead of them syncing as they should.

Moandal said:
Everyone seems to rave about Opera, but in my experience there are a number of sites that it doesn't work with properly, which IE 6 copes with fine. OK so IE doesn't have pinch to zoom but it's easier to double-tap anyway.
What do others think and is there an easy way to make IE my default browser?
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Just go into options and set it as your default, should work fine (not testing it for you but I remember it working). If it doesn't work for the Sense page just turn that page off and put an IE icon in your quicklinks on your home page.

Skyfire
I have to admit, I prefer Skyfire myself.
Seems to work nice in things like BBC Iplayer, tvcatchup etc.
Works fine on flash 10.
Only thing I would like is pinch to zoom rather than double tap, but it seems nice and quick for me.

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Got that part right! Who cares about acid test, unless that is the only site you browse that is...
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Why shout so lound when you don't know what you are talking about.
Do you even know what that test does? Opera Mobiles web performance is outstanding, and the rendering is so much better then in the stupid buggy IE...
Show me 1 website it cannot show correctly, but the IE can, and btw, I downloaded gmaps with my opera....

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i dont know but ie is a piece of **** compared to the opera browser, on ANY website!!!!
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Errrrrrmm if you can show me Opera 10 running flash videos on the bbc news website I will acept this comment,
BUT until then IE is still the best browser for watching flash video compared to opera.

Aside from decent flash support Opera is nice and fast, but it does crash a lot IME.

Stupid discussion. That's why you can have SEVERAL browsers on WinMo I use Opera for most sites and IE for flash content. Opera runs from Sense and IE from a shortcut on the home screen. And...yes, I also have Skyfire just in case on my HD2

i dont see any FREE app from microsoft is daily useable, MS give us all poor tools with 50% power, ex: office, note, IE, photo viewer, WMP, calculator... look like they stop the develop of MS Voice command
about browser, MS have a browser call Deepfish, but they kill it already.

SO what, no browser really plays flash!
Skyfire does a good job on it, but the experiance is still not really good!
And IE does not even show all image formats...

Opera 10 is much more usable in all view modes. IE6 in mobile view mode doesn't wrap pages as it should, so gets a 1/10 from me.

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SO what, no browser really plays flash!
Skyfire does a good job on it, but the experiance is still not really good!
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I beg to differ, in IE on the bbc site I can hold down and enable full screen flash and it plays perfectly in landscape too. Skyfire is too fidly to get it to fill the whole screen but I use it for tvcatchup.com
Although for other sites I use Opera 10.

Opera Mobile 10b3 Can Support Flash!

Hello,
I downloaded Opera Mobile 10 b3 today, and was browsing through settings when I noticed a toggle button that said plugins in the advanced category. I am going to test fixoperaflash on it and post my results.
EDIT: I loaded a page with flash content, and plugins enabled and a big white play button appeared over the flash. The browser crashed because of low mem before I could get further. This was without fixoperaflash.
EDIT2: I clicked on a play button and the flash content started! It is less glitchy than older versions of opera. I still did not use fixopera flash!

it still sucks!
and they dont listen to users??
it really annoying MUST tap twice on screen when you go to sites with flash, Pocket IE is much better!
and i said it many times, why are they covering the CLOCK??
i surf internet on break or lunch break, i need to see the clock on top (or put it at bottom) so i wont go over my lunch break!

Yes, wish the clock showed.
But for those of us with low mem, having flash auto load will crash the pda. I love Operas new flash support, but have never used the new Pocket IE -_-

PIE IN WM 6.5.x is the best

Yeah... It probably is. Never tried it though. 'Nixeus', the member who made the 6.5 ROM for Mio p550 has given up

netnerd said:
it still sucks!
and they dont listen to users??
it really annoying MUST tap twice on screen when you go to sites with flash,
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For me it is very good thing because I use flash content only from time to time so I don't want it to waste resources. So they shouldn't remove it, however they could add option to enable or disable this function so everyone would be happy

Well, you can disable flash and probably even the white play buttons if you go to 'about:config'.

Opera Mobile official thread
Thanks for the news
It´s already posted on Opera thread
And remember, this still beta!

I think the beta 3 has vast improvement...
very fast on loading..
plugin support...
and they have lifted the limit of keyboard....

I use Skyfire and i must say, it has all the features Opera promises, but don't . I can even play SuperPoke!Pets on my damn' lame LG KS20 and it is super lightweight (it uses a quarter of opera's size).

I tried opera mobile beta 1, 2 and 3 all are simply useless for low mem devices in beta 3 they have included flash but whats the use it makes extremely unpleasant to browse either the device crashes or just freeze and to just load one singal video i had to wait for 10 mins then after loading i clicked play button then buffering ouff!! its irritating.
Till now opera mobile 9.7 is the fastest and stable one for low mem devices.
And yes i agree with you all internet explorer in wm 6.5.x is much much better than any other browser with full flash support but in low mem devices there are two major problems:
1. Pages load really slow (as they load into device, no server side optimization)
2. Videos play but there quality is less than worst.... in low mem devices even youtube player cant play smooth video

netnerd said:
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How do you figure?
it really annoying MUST tap twice on screen when you go to sites
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I think it's a good idea to not play Flash automatically, since data traffic tends to be, you know, expensive. Also, it's an experimental feature.

strange_nu_kid said:
I use Skyfire and i must say, it has all the features Opera promises, but don't . I can even play SuperPoke!Pets on my damn' lame LG KS20 and it is super lightweight (it uses a quarter of opera's size).
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What features does Skyfire have that Opera promises but don't?
Skyfire is small because it's a thin client. Everything you do goes through their servers. And they don't seem to have a business model beyond selling your personal data to advertisers...
Also, Flash is laggy in Skyfire. I can't get myself to like it.

WhatThis said:
What features does Skyfire have that Opera promises but don't?
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Far superior support for Flash, Silverlight, etc.
Flash support for Opera 10 beta 3 seems very flaky. If you go to news.bbc.co.uk for example, you can't play any of the video clips there in Opera, even though they play happily in IE on my HD2 (with stock ROM).

Shasarak said:
Far superior support for Flash, Silverlight, etc.
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When did Opera promise Silverlight support?
As for Flash support in Skyfire, are you kidding me? It's basically like a slow and laggy slideshow! I bought into the hype only to turn away disgusted when I realized that it was Skyfire which failed to deliver. I don't want slideshows, I want video!
Flash support for Opera 10 beta 3 seems very flaky.
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No way! Flaky in a beta where it was labeled experimental? Amazing!

HELP
HEY DUDE. I DOWNLOADED OPERA 10 B3 and i installed flashlite 3.1 also i enabled popup .plugins still i cant play youtube vidios on opera, when i click on the vidio botton it goes to the streeming media!

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jagan2 said:
I tried opera mobile beta 1, 2 and 3 all are simply useless for low mem devices in beta 3 they have included flash but whats the use it makes extremely unpleasant to browse either the device crashes or just freeze and to just load one singal video i had to wait for 10 mins then after loading i clicked play button then buffering ouff!! its irritating.
Till now opera mobile 9.7 is the fastest and stable one for low mem devices.
And yes i agree with you all internet explorer in wm 6.5.x is much much better than any other browser with full flash support but in low mem devices there are two major problems:
1. Pages load really slow (as they load into device, no server side optimization)
2. Videos play but there quality is less than worst.... in low mem devices even youtube player cant play smooth video
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9.7 also not stable with low memory device dude...

iv just installed the beta and now i cant view in landscape and iv lost the pinch to zoom feature, have i done something wrong...?