Hi Guys,
I have searched high and low for the answer to this one, so I thought I'd give up and ask you guys.
What I need is an Emulator for PPC that I can use on my computer to test downloaded programs before I instal them to my XDA.
The problems are:
Active sync appears to only work with visual .net development suit, which I dont have the money to buy.
Embeded visual C does run a nice emulator, but it wont connect to the active sync and thuse I cant install programmes. There did seem to be a solution in useing the folder option in the above programe to access a Virtual SD card on the computer (shared folder on my drive) but how do I access the programmes?
I would prefer to try these programmes out in a sand pit if I could.
But there doesnt seem to be away.
Please dont flame me if I have missed an earlier thread or some google search... I am new.. I am not worthy... I have no flame retardent underware...
Edy
I don't have an answer for you, (I also would like to do this also!), but I don't believe you will be able to get the eMbedded Emulator to run 'real' apps because these apps are compiled for a CPU target, (usually ARM) and the emulator only runs 8086 compiles.
The emulator is more to test your own source code and it compiles for 8086, and when you are ready, you compile your source for ARM, MIPS, to distribute.
If anyone knows of a Windows based emulator that runs ARM compiled programs, I would LOVE to know about it.
I seem to remember there was a Palm version where you could simply drag and drop programmes into it and test them. Would be nice if that were so for the PPC.
Still noone said life had to be perfect ;-)
Edy
Ya, I came from the Palm world, and they did have an emulator that would allow you to run Palm apps. It wasn’t the great emulation, but it usually was good enough to give you an idea if you even wanted to bother installing it on your ‘real’ device.
Well, maybe there is one for PPC and we just don’t know about it… Anyone???
There is no such an emulator and making it is extremely difficult. You'll have to completely emulate whole CPU, some hardware and write your own OS just for this "virtual" PocketPC. Noone has done this.
So the long and the short of this is I need visual .net to be able to run the MS emu... Any here doing that? If so can you tell me if it is possible to install other programs for testing, or will the emu only work with applications you are writing yourself?
There is no such an emulator and making it is extremely difficult. You'll have to completely emulate whole CPU, some hardware and write your own OS just for this "virtual" PocketPC. Noone has
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no it's that that difficult at all sure it takes some time to do
if you look around for emulators many many platforms come as emulated on pc systems like ps2 all the way back to mame
i have a few friends who just made a whole emulation of the arm cpu on the pc not a pocketpc or windows ce emulator but just pure arm
Rudegar said:
i have a few friends who just made a whole emulation of the arm cpu on the pc not a pocketpc or windows ce emulator but just pure arm
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Please, can you provide us with a link? I was very interested in such an emulation to test Xanadux stuff without being afraid to render the Himalaya into a brick
Matthias
they are making it because they are embedded software developers
and they are making a project where they are programming to the arm cpu i dont know if they would part with the code but mind you it's no
pocketpc emulator and i doubt it would even support a graphic display apart from text since they dont need it for the project
i'm sure there must be some emulators out there
i mean the stuff in embedded visual c++ and visual studio 2003 and 2005
even if it's not a true emulator then it comes kinda close
embedded visual c++ does have an emulator, but you cant sync it with active sync and therefore you can only test programs that you are developing yourself. There was a posted solution for this involving a null modem cable and two com ports. But my computer only has one com port :-(
Looks like you need to buy Visual Studio .net to get a fully working emulator that can sync with active x and thus test programs....
Hi there,
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I don't think even getting the .NET framework working with Microsofts PPC 2003 emulator will work as a true emulator for the actual device.
I have the emulators for PPC and SmartPhones installed since we are developing applications for mobile (but mostly Java based) phones. So far with our initial test developments, you can only run your own developed applications or applications that are currently being developed and compiled for the emulators. Final compiled applications (for ARM/MIPS) are different from the compiled versions for the emulators and won't work with it. Being like this, the compiled version for the ARM processors will not work with the PPC emulator.
Well, that is just my comment...
Cheers,
Hey, I haven't tried it yet, but this sure sounds like what we have wanted...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/mobility/windowsmobile/downloads/emulatorpreview/default.aspx
Hey, I just tired it, (installing an ARM app) and it works. Cool!
How do I download that program. or can somebody upload please.
How do I download that program. or can somebody upload please
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* Visit http://beta.microsoft.com,
* Login using your Passport account, or create one if you don't have one.
* Use Guest ID MSDEVICE to access the Community Preview website
You'll have to create a passport but that shouldn't be a real problem? I tried to upload it to the FTP using upload:upload but it won't let me send the file?
I have to say that this tool / App is one of the best you can find on the Web. I can now emulate the Pocket PC on my PC to trial games / apps first without messing up my XDA2i.
Thanks for the link guys well done!!
Lee
Upload it plz!
can u upload it somewhere? i am unable to download from the MS site!!!
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studdocs said:
can u upload it somewhere? i am unable to download from the MS site!!!
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I assume you installed the Microsoft ActiveX component called "Microsoft File Transfer Manager" right?
It's the requestor that appears just before the download begins... Then press "transfer" to begin the transfer ..
I hope it works for you...
Rayan
It would be helpful if somebody could upload this program, I am having no success after many attempts to download.
Here you go: ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/DeviceEmulator050419.msi
(better use a 'normal' FTP client to download)
I have been trying to locate the bochs X86 emulator that was ported over to Pocket PC. It was located at mamaich.kasone.com but the site has been down. Can anyone point me to a download for this app? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi
Try some p2p net.
You should get PocketDOS (which emulates 0x86) and then google for bochs 486 plugin.
have fun
i think what ur looking for is located here, scrol down:
http://www.pocketdos.com/download.htm#Other
I am wanting to try to get windows 95/98/98se as well as a fiew distros of linux running on my PPC. I was under the impression that only the bochs x86 emulator for PPC was the only one that has been able to do this. Is there another way?
Wow..
You expect much from your PPC
I don't think it's possible.
But you may try...
Dowload pocketDOS and then search for bochs 4x86 emulator plugin.
You'll have an intel 486 processor support but memory simulation is still crappy in pocketdos. You probably won't run anything more than DOS and simple DOS programs. (Even Windows 3.11 won't install because of 320x240 screen).
I don't think it's possible to run anything that uses CPU protected mode (windows / linux).
My best adventure with pocketdos was running norton commander and my x86 assembler programs.
Try it.
have fun
Guys and gals, don’t forget to check out my brand new, MS-DOS / x86 emulation-related article at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1276884
(Sorry for flooding – IMHO, this article certainly deserves attention because it answers ALL the questions a Windows Mobile user may want to EVER ask about emulating MS-DOS. Make sure you read it!)
I previously posted on the wrong section, sorry, so I'm transferring it here.
Anyway, I want to know what programs I can use to make programs for HTC Raphael. Can I use Microsoft Visual Studio? Borland? I currently know how to use c and c++, do I need to use c# instead? And are the commands the same with the one on for the PC and for the PPC? So yeah any programs for programming on the desktop or on the PPC?
Thanks in advance!
yeah visual studio will do it
it support
1
.net compact framework for c# which is a subset of normal .net with some of the more fancy controls missing is normal .net programs from pc dont use anything missing in the compact framework they can run directly on the pocketpc unless the rest is not programmed to adjust (c#)
2
it support microMFC which is a pocketpc version of the old microsoft foundation classes
which was ms's object lib before .net (c/c++)
3
it support pure win32 api which again is a subset of the normal windows win32 api (c/c++)
performance wise 1 is lowest 3 is fastes
support in turms of having control without programming too many unmanaged hooks 3 is best 1 is worst
speed to get a project up and displaying something and having some functionality 1 is fastest 3 is worst
dont know about borland anymore guess they support compact framework
So if I make a program in c or c++, I can actually run it already on my PPC? If so, why does the .exe files on my PPC disallows me to run them on my desktop? Do I need to like convert the .exe file I made on my desktop to make it run on the PPC? If yes, is there any program out there to convert it to make it available for my PPC?
you have to run it using an emulator on your pc such as the one that comes with vs
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So if I make a program in c or c++, I can actually run it already on my PPC? If so, why does the .exe files on my PPC disallows me to run them on my desktop? Do I need to like convert the .exe file I made on my desktop to make it run on the PPC? If yes, is there any program out there to convert it to make it available for my PPC?
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if you have Visual Studio 2005 Pro, you can create a new "SmartDevice" project. This will take care of setting up almost everything you need. You can also later create a SmartDevice Cab project to create an cab for your program.
It is quite straightforward...try a simple hello world program to get used to it.
I read that PocketDOS is a pretty good emulator. Are there any foreseeable problems to using a DOS C Compiler inside of Pocket DOS to get a mobile compiler? Why?
Even if it runs and compiles, it won't compile natively for the mobile platform. It would compile for the target platform, namely x86 DOS programs. Interesting though, getting a mobile phone to compile a program that runs on a PC
EDIT: Of course, the programs it compiles may be able to run in the PocketDOS environment, which would be nice!
pgccc
There used to be something I think called pgcc that was an onboard C compiler...google it and see if it or a newer version is available...
I have a VERY small EXE file, about 200 or 300KB. It runs on Windows, and will not run on my device obviously since it was not compiled for Windows Mobile.
I do not have the ability to recompile it, so is there a way to make a stand-alone windows EXE run on Windows Mobile? Like a compatibility app/emulator I can install on Windows Mobile to allow it to run?
Thanks
1) If it is DOS application, use DOSBOX emulator.
2) You can boot Win 95 in emuator, but it is pretty inconvenient (and not very easy to do). And many of today's apps won't run in Win 95 neither.
3) Get a source code and recompile it
PS: Size doesn't matter
i have one win aplication., but cant install win95 emulator.. something is wrong... program is 150kb., but must be runed from win...
forget about it and i am serious.
or do what CommZ said:
3) Get a source code and recompile it
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Hey, first time posting to XDA. I am curious about this as well. Allthough my idea is not as small, but as you said size doesnt matter I would love to be able to run rpg maker 2000 games on my mobile device "Axim X51V with lennysh 11 rom on it". I'm not talking about building games, just being able to run the rpg_rt runtime file so i can play games on it. Don't point me to smokingfish's site as I can't imagine it bieng able to play rpgmaker 2000 games as it seems like it was all a project on its own. This idea has me almost interested enough to learn some programming. Do you think it would be possible? Would it be a huge undertaking to someone who knew what they were doing?
Games to play would be.
1. Three the Hard Way
2. Laxius Power series
3. Final Fantasy Endless Nova