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Hi Guys,
I have searched high and low for the answer to this one, so I thought I'd give up and ask you guys.
What I need is an Emulator for PPC that I can use on my computer to test downloaded programs before I instal them to my XDA.
The problems are:
Active sync appears to only work with visual .net development suit, which I dont have the money to buy.
Embeded visual C does run a nice emulator, but it wont connect to the active sync and thuse I cant install programmes. There did seem to be a solution in useing the folder option in the above programe to access a Virtual SD card on the computer (shared folder on my drive) but how do I access the programmes?
I would prefer to try these programmes out in a sand pit if I could.
But there doesnt seem to be away.
Please dont flame me if I have missed an earlier thread or some google search... I am new.. I am not worthy... I have no flame retardent underware...
Edy
I don't have an answer for you, (I also would like to do this also!), but I don't believe you will be able to get the eMbedded Emulator to run 'real' apps because these apps are compiled for a CPU target, (usually ARM) and the emulator only runs 8086 compiles.
The emulator is more to test your own source code and it compiles for 8086, and when you are ready, you compile your source for ARM, MIPS, to distribute.
If anyone knows of a Windows based emulator that runs ARM compiled programs, I would LOVE to know about it.
I seem to remember there was a Palm version where you could simply drag and drop programmes into it and test them. Would be nice if that were so for the PPC.
Still noone said life had to be perfect ;-)
Edy
Ya, I came from the Palm world, and they did have an emulator that would allow you to run Palm apps. It wasn’t the great emulation, but it usually was good enough to give you an idea if you even wanted to bother installing it on your ‘real’ device.
Well, maybe there is one for PPC and we just don’t know about it… Anyone???
There is no such an emulator and making it is extremely difficult. You'll have to completely emulate whole CPU, some hardware and write your own OS just for this "virtual" PocketPC. Noone has done this.
So the long and the short of this is I need visual .net to be able to run the MS emu... Any here doing that? If so can you tell me if it is possible to install other programs for testing, or will the emu only work with applications you are writing yourself?
There is no such an emulator and making it is extremely difficult. You'll have to completely emulate whole CPU, some hardware and write your own OS just for this "virtual" PocketPC. Noone has
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no it's that that difficult at all sure it takes some time to do
if you look around for emulators many many platforms come as emulated on pc systems like ps2 all the way back to mame
i have a few friends who just made a whole emulation of the arm cpu on the pc not a pocketpc or windows ce emulator but just pure arm
Rudegar said:
i have a few friends who just made a whole emulation of the arm cpu on the pc not a pocketpc or windows ce emulator but just pure arm
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Please, can you provide us with a link? I was very interested in such an emulation to test Xanadux stuff without being afraid to render the Himalaya into a brick
Matthias
they are making it because they are embedded software developers
and they are making a project where they are programming to the arm cpu i dont know if they would part with the code but mind you it's no
pocketpc emulator and i doubt it would even support a graphic display apart from text since they dont need it for the project
i'm sure there must be some emulators out there
i mean the stuff in embedded visual c++ and visual studio 2003 and 2005
even if it's not a true emulator then it comes kinda close
embedded visual c++ does have an emulator, but you cant sync it with active sync and therefore you can only test programs that you are developing yourself. There was a posted solution for this involving a null modem cable and two com ports. But my computer only has one com port :-(
Looks like you need to buy Visual Studio .net to get a fully working emulator that can sync with active x and thus test programs....
Hi there,
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I don't think even getting the .NET framework working with Microsofts PPC 2003 emulator will work as a true emulator for the actual device.
I have the emulators for PPC and SmartPhones installed since we are developing applications for mobile (but mostly Java based) phones. So far with our initial test developments, you can only run your own developed applications or applications that are currently being developed and compiled for the emulators. Final compiled applications (for ARM/MIPS) are different from the compiled versions for the emulators and won't work with it. Being like this, the compiled version for the ARM processors will not work with the PPC emulator.
Well, that is just my comment...
Cheers,
Hey, I haven't tried it yet, but this sure sounds like what we have wanted...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/mobility/windowsmobile/downloads/emulatorpreview/default.aspx
Hey, I just tired it, (installing an ARM app) and it works. Cool!
How do I download that program. or can somebody upload please.
How do I download that program. or can somebody upload please
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* Visit http://beta.microsoft.com,
* Login using your Passport account, or create one if you don't have one.
* Use Guest ID MSDEVICE to access the Community Preview website
You'll have to create a passport but that shouldn't be a real problem? I tried to upload it to the FTP using upload:upload but it won't let me send the file?
I have to say that this tool / App is one of the best you can find on the Web. I can now emulate the Pocket PC on my PC to trial games / apps first without messing up my XDA2i.
Thanks for the link guys well done!!
Lee
Upload it plz!
can u upload it somewhere? i am unable to download from the MS site!!!
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can u upload it somewhere? i am unable to download from the MS site!!!
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I assume you installed the Microsoft ActiveX component called "Microsoft File Transfer Manager" right?
It's the requestor that appears just before the download begins... Then press "transfer" to begin the transfer ..
I hope it works for you...
Rayan
It would be helpful if somebody could upload this program, I am having no success after many attempts to download.
Here you go: ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/DeviceEmulator050419.msi
(better use a 'normal' FTP client to download)
Hi there,
I'm currently trying to get the WP7 emulator on my Win8 tablet, just to have a device with a very big screen to show my developed stuff to my bosses.
It has very limited disk capacity and cpu power, therefore I'm not going to install VS 2010 or the WP7 SDK.
So, here are my questions:
Does anybody have a current version of the standalone emulator installer? The one in this thread links to multiupload which is currently down. The one in this thread is the old one which doesn't work with current images (and it requires some missing assemblies)
Does the current version of the Phone7Market work without installing the Phone 7 SDK? I don't want to create that overhead just to show an app to somebody on a big touchscreen
So the core question is: How do I run an (xap-)app (in an emulator) on a pc without installing the SDK/VS?
I've already installed Zune, but not the SDK. I hope somebody can help me.
Greetings,
relexx
Perhaps I should redefine my question: Where do I find a mirror for the standalone emulators?
The WP7 emulator doesn't work on Windows 8 Developer Preview.
It's a known bug.
OK, thanks. I didn't know that - where did you get that information from?
Nevertheless I would like to use it on Windows 7 so where can I find the standalone emulator download? The links to multiupload are dead.
I've installed the dev tools myself since I am a windows phone 7 developer.
Starting the emulator on windows 8 causes a blue screen.
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I've installed the dev tools myself since I am a windows phone 7 developer.
Starting the emulator on windows 8 causes a blue screen.
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Mine was giving connection errors, but putting it in compatibility mode at least let it launch.. until it hit the blue screen...
does someone have a link to the emu?
So after playing with my Surface for 5 days now, it is obvious there is a lot of capability in the back end through the Desktop. II have networked printers, and drives at both home and office going, streaming content etc. It is very capable for what it is, way beyond any other Ipad and Android tablet out there. So it seems to me it is just a matter of time before some XDAer figures out a way to unleash it and possibly load other programs (non-RT) programs some way. We know the official MS word is no, but it seems to me it is a fully capable Win8 machine that just has some goierners on it and limited processing power, just waiting to be cracked.
Am I just dreaming?
I would love to see this happen. The one thing holding me back from purchasing one. I'd love a Windows 8 Pro version tablet at the Surface RT pricing but wouldn't we all...
I dont think rt can run x86 app properly. Because the cpu is not as good as x86 core. I am interested in porting rt to compatiable device such as tergra 2 and 3 pad.
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liu2002 said:
I dont think rt can run x86 app properly. Because the cpu is not as good as x86 core. I am interested in porting rt to compatiable device such as tergra 2 and 3 pad.
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I don't think it's necessarily about the Tegra being "as good" as an x86 - the issue is that you'd need an emulator, or the source for the x86 app which you'd then need to re-compile for ARM. I believe MS made a developer toolkit available that allows simpler conversion from x86 to ARM but it's still up to the app vendors to do it.
In theory, the same code could compile for both x86/64 and ARM (RT), but VS2012 will not allow you to compile an ARM desktop app. There is no legit way to write/compile a desktop app on RT. Its an arbitrary BS limitation put in place by MS. You cannot side load apps, everything must come through the MS store, RT enterprise being an exception... which doesn't help us. And the MS store will only offer Metro apps. MS office shows that's desktop apps are fully possible, albeit recoded/recompiled for ARM, but MS will not allow it. In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Why do you say that?
Because its not allowed, only metro style apps published through the app store are allowed. Even if you compile compatible desktop software, the OS won't run it. Its a closed sandbox.
At best we can hope for a "homebrew" community to compile open source software, and find some hacks to get it running.
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Hello,
I’m a happy owner of the Surface RT and I just wanted to add my 2c.
I think that Metro UI is great for tablet, but lacks apps !
So I cannot understand why Microsoft didn’t include .Net on this platform ! I think the main goal and the first “Homebrew” must be recompilation of Mono for ARM. As this will allow us develop a lot of programs, quickly and using “good” tools (Visual )
I just started to study WinRT and I’m already hitting a lot of blocks (For instance, I cannot find a way to open Shared Socket ! So if any other app listen on 1900 port, I lose my SSDP discovery... )
But I think recompilation of Mono is definitely a way to go ! I think i’ll try it this week-end, if I have some time, but It’s sure I will not be able install on my surface As for now it seems to be impossible to enter Testing Mode on it.
Jurion
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So I cannot understand why Microsoft didn’t include .Net on this platform !
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I think people seem to be missing something here (well, not just here, on other threads/forums.blogs too). MS have essentially (it’s really quite impressive) ported over the entire Windows OS to run on ARM – and this includes all of .NET v4 with supporting libraries/DLLs.
You only have to pop to C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on your Surface RT to see – all the same libraries for the same version of .NET a x86 desktop seem to be there - including Linq, SQL, reflection etc.
Now, this could be really great news! I’d bet that it would be entirely possible for standard .NET applications (by standard, I mean programs that only use managed code and nothing legacy) to be reasonably easily recompiled to run on ARM - ideally as easyily as changing a drop-down!
Furthermore, this is all supported in Visual Studio, it’s just locked down a bit - I’ve been able to compile, with VS2012 (and a minor tweak to remove the ARM compile block) a simple command line EXE for ARM (using .NET calls – though only in C++ which is a shame). The problem is, as soon I open it on Surface, I get an error saying the ‘digital certificate’ couldn't be validated – a common issue which has a simple fix documented online. The catch... that the instructions to remove this block don’t work with secure boot enabled, and - at present - we can’t disable this on the Surface (on normal PCs this can be turned off in the bios).
So – the key to all this, is for MS to open it up (not impossible, but who knows if or when) or for someone to get round this secure boot/certificate requirement. I’m sure there’s some smart people on here with abilities to work on, and hopefully succeed in doing this. Even if people aren't able to work a way round this block, I'm hopefully that eventually MS may release some firmware update tools that someone can hack to switch off UEFI secure boot. Or perhaps someone at MS or a partner may leak some file/app/boot that unlocks this for dev/enterprise purposes.
I look forward to it happening!
T
Skitals said:
In theory, the same code could compile for both x86/64 and ARM (RT), but VS2012 will not allow you to compile an ARM desktop app. There is no legit way to write/compile a desktop app on RT. Its an arbitrary BS limitation put in place by MS. You cannot side load apps, everything must come through the MS store, RT enterprise being an exception... which doesn't help us. And the MS store will only offer Metro apps. MS office shows that's desktop apps are fully possible, albeit recoded/recompiled for ARM, but MS will not allow it. In an ideal world, RT would be a fully supported OS, and the likes of Adobe and others could release desktop apps for RT, but sadly it won't happen.
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Everything doesn't have to come through the MS store, you can install applications that you build in Visual Studio 2012 for Windows Store, create an appx package and choose not to publish it in Windows Store. VS2012 then creates an appx package as well as a PowerShell script that you can run on Surface, accept security warning, get the developer's license on the device (it's free) and that's it!
It is fairly obvious why MS does not allow installation of "Desktop" apps on ARM tablets. Otherwise dev's would get lazy and just recompile desktop apps for ARM. The experience on a touch tablet would not be great on (unmodified) Desktop apps, hence Microsoft set this constraint on Windows RT in order to push dev's towards making a proper touch friendly app. The result is of course the lack of apps initially, but in the long run the benefits will be a greater experience as the apps would be optimized for touch.
Sure there are obvious downsides to this strategy, but the decision itself makes a lot of sense from a useability standpoint. You already read the complaints in reviews about "Office" not being Metro-style and unfriendly to touch. However this is naturally a decision due to time constraints, because MS would have also preferred to not include a desktop on RT. Office is the selling point now, to gravitate people towards RT and when there is enough demand, the touch friendly (Metro) apps will flow in eventually
Backflipping said:
I think people seem to be missing something here (well, not just here, on other threads/forums.blogs too). MS have essentially (it’s really quite impressive) ported over the entire Windows OS to run on ARM – and this includes all of .NET v4 with supporting libraries/DLLs.
You only have to pop to C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319 on your Surface RT to see – all the same libraries for the same version of .NET a x86 desktop seem to be there - including Linq, SQL, reflection etc.
Now, this could be really great news! I’d bet that it would be entirely possible for standard .NET applications (by standard, I mean programs that only use managed code and nothing legacy) to be reasonably easily recompiled to run on ARM - ideally as easyily as changing a drop-down!
Furthermore, this is all supported in Visual Studio, it’s just locked down a bit - I’ve been able to compile, with VS2012 (and a minor tweak to remove the ARM compile block) a simple command line EXE for ARM (using .NET calls – though only in C++ which is a shame). The problem is, as soon I open it on Surface, I get an error saying the ‘digital certificate’ couldn't be validated – a common issue which has a simple fix documented online. The catch... that the instructions to remove this block don’t work with secure boot enabled, and - at present - we can’t disable this on the Surface (on normal PCs this can be turned off in the bios).
So – the key to all this, is for MS to open it up (not impossible, but who knows if or when) or for someone to get round this secure boot/certificate requirement. I’m sure there’s some smart people on here with abilities to work on, and hopefully succeed in doing this. Even if people aren't able to work a way round this block, I'm hopefully that eventually MS may release some firmware update tools that someone can hack to switch off UEFI secure boot. Or perhaps someone at MS or a partner may leak some file/app/boot that unlocks this for dev/enterprise purposes.
I look forward to it happening!
T
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Hmmm, sorry my bad, didn't look enougth to find .Net assemblies.
As for open it for MS, may be, maaaay be it's the same scheme which they followed with Windows Phone 7.
No native developpment for 7.0 -- 7.8
But they open it for 8.0
May be they just want to force people developp Metro app to populate the store first.
So where's the best place to get one?
I'm looking into buying one very very soon, I found some on ebay for $585 with the cover, That sounds like a win to me. I wish QVC had it, That'd be lovely.
I'm praying we get a work around for all this, But still If the device isn't made for it, I can't be mad that it doesn't do it, That's like being angry that my car doesn't fly.
But it's such a tease, it worries me that I'll have an entire desktop, Sitting, Obselete, With nothing but Office, which I wont even use.
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I'm looking into buying one very very soon, I found some on ebay for $585 with the cover, That sounds like a win to me. I wish QVC had it, That'd be lovely.
I'm praying we get a work around for all this, But still If the device isn't made for it, I can't be mad that it doesn't do it, That's like being angry that my car doesn't fly.
But it's such a tease, it worries me that I'll have an entire desktop, Sitting, Obselete, With nothing but Office, which I wont even use.
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It is made for it. It has the full desktop, and the full desktop Office suite. Its a big tease. The whole "do more" campaign advertises you can "click in" and have full laptop productivity with touchpad and mouse/keyboard. Except the only software to take advantage of it is desktop IE and Office.
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Sorry for post it on General Form, I don't have enough post
I just found out that INVedit runs natively on Unlocked Windows RT device (Go to this thread to Unlock yours if haven't)
INVedit is a popular Inventory Editor for Minecraft.
Its author copyboy has stopped developing but opened its source code, and it should be based on .NET 4.0 (I'm not a developer of any kind so don't quote on me..)
Anyway, just download the zip, extract and run INVedit.exe
It runs pretty good, haven't found any issue so far
INVedit support load inventory files directly from Minecraft saves, the lack of a Windows RT version Minecraft makes this app a little useless... but here is it.
You can download it directly from the author's post on Minecraft Forums, or from the attachment I have uploaded, both are the same stuff
Now all we need is Minecraft ported .. anyone care to email the developer?
I suspect we'll manage to get Java working on RT before Mojang gets around to porting Minecraft... but I could be mistaken. After all, Minecraft does already run on ARM devices, and on some non-Java platforms.
I was just wondering if you could take ifunbox then copy minecraft's files then paste them in your app folder of windows rt.
I know it probly won't work but I just wanted to know why.
I've attached the Windows RT binaries for NewWolf and EcWolf, both of which are Wolfenstein 3D ports.
NewWolf features OpenGL rendering, but does not have any sound support because the port uses a proprietary (ie: no source code) sound engine. To run NewWolf use the included batch file as there is an issue with 16bit color depth (the batch file will force 32bit).
more info -> http://newwolf.sourceforge.net/
EcWolf is straight up software rendered using SDL with full sound support and is very true to the original. Simply run ecwolf.exe.
more info -> http://maniacsvault.net/ecwolf/
I have also included the original Wolf3D 'demo' game files so people should be able to play this straight away. If anyone has concerns about this, let me know and I'll remove the game data.
These are also on the SVN repo, so feel free to pull it from there if you like.
Cheers!
The original game files were shareware I think, I dont think anyone can complain about you throwing in shareware files for an old game.
Nice work yet again. I was just about to ask if you had considered doom, but it seems you've already done it
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SixSixSevenSeven, i see you know a lot of about Windows RT and porting apps, and i have a Little question. I need a C Compiler for my Bachelor of Science Degree in Computer Engineering, and i don't have any laptop for running a C Compiler. I'v tried searching a C Compiler for Windows RT (I'v only seen a C# Compiler) and i want to know if will be possible to run something like gcc in Windows RT, saving money buying a laptop.
Thanks
comandospi said:
SixSixSevenSeven, i see you know a lot of about Windows RT and porting apps, and i have a Little question. I need a C Compiler for my Bachelor of Science Degree in Computer Engineering, and i don't have any laptop for running a C Compiler. I'v tried searching a C Compiler for Windows RT (I'v only seen a C# Compiler) and i want to know if will be possible to run something like gcc in Windows RT, saving money buying a laptop.
Thanks
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Not yet. MinGW might run under the x86 emulator but anything it produces will also only run under the x86 emulator, and that emulator isnt 100% reliable and it is rather slow.
You would be best off with a laptop, sorry.
Also not really something to be discussed here.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Not yet. MinGW might run under the x86 emulator but anything it produces will also only run under the x86 emulator, and that emulator isnt 100% reliable and it is rather slow.
You would be best off with a laptop, sorry.
Also not really something to be discussed here.
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I tried MinGW under Win86Emu but the setup doesn't work properly. I found a Little C compiler (Tiny C Compiler) and works perfectly with Win86Emu (at least some simple code), so i think that this could save me temporarily from buying a laptop.
Sorry for asking about this here, but thanks so much for the Win86Emu idea
Already exists?
There is a Wolfenstein port in the Windows app store called Wolf.
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There is a Wolfenstein port in the Windows app store called Wolf.
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Looks like it only has the 1st level based on the comments... a Demo of sorts I guess. These ports would allow you to play the complete game, assuming you have access to the game files. I have no idea if you could use the complete game files with this Store version.
I haven't actually tried either of these ports yet. But I am curious on whether they are an improvement over the original DOS game? I've played that a bit using DOSBox on my Surface...
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Looks like it only has the 1st level based on the comments... a Demo of sorts I guess. These ports would allow you to play the complete game, assuming you have access to the game files. I have no idea if you could use the complete game files with this Store version.
I haven't actually tried either of these ports yet. But I am curious on whether they are an improvement over the original DOS game? I've played that a bit using DOSBox on my Surface...
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This port is running natively, otherwise it is essentially the same as the dos version. But running natively means it requires less CPU power (no x86 + DOS emulation) which might help keep the tablet cooler and prolong battery.